2011.05.07 07:00 - sucess, learning and pemas

The Guardian for this meeting was Bertram Jacobus. The comments are by Bertram Jacobus.

Bertram Jacobus: hello xirana :-)
Bertram Jacobus: hi yaku ! :-)
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Yaku
Bertram Jacobus: xirana is german ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: schön dich mal wieder zu sehen bert :)
Bertram Jacobus: thx yaku - and : same same :-))
Yakuzza Lethecus: nein, aber sie spricht sehr gut deutsch :)
Xirana Oximoxi: nein Bertrem!!! ich bin Spanisch:))
Bertram Jacobus: ah - and what about the log readers ? ... ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: ah okay - hello spain ! :-)
Xirana Oximoxi: ok, no Bertram...I am Spanish:))
Bertram Jacobus: "hasta la vista baby" ? :o)
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe...this is a phrase that was in a Film, isn¡t it?
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, it was
Bertram Jacobus: exactly - with arnold schwarzenegger ... :o)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)... a lot of people know it...it's a famous sentence
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
 Bertram Jacobus: yeah - schwarzenegger and the movie are responsible for that - a worldwide phenomenon :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi aph
Bertram Jacobus: and hello aph :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Yaku, Xirana, Bertram
Yakuzza Lethecus: nice sarii you are wearing
 Xirana Oximoxi: who is the guardian today?
 Bertram Jacobus lifts his finger ... :o)
Xirana Oximoxi: ok Bertram:)
Aphrodite Macbain: Bertram-are you the GoC today?
Bertram Jacobus: yes aph, sadly yes ... *smile* - duties ... *sigh a bit* - we just talked about it before at the place where i was before ... ;-)

[a person who said he did not want to appear on our wiki was shortly with us and left then – so I had to delete his name and the comments he gave and the responses to that – here are some lines left, which take reference to that / him] :

Bertram Jacobus: i will have to delete some lines ... ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: why?
Bertram Jacobus: does not happen often ! ...
Bertram Jacobus: because he said, he does not want to appear on our wiki site
Aphrodite Macbain: did she say she didn't want to be recorded?
Bertram Jacobus: yes. he said so
Xirana Oximoxi: no, I also find it a little strange...specially if nothing 'speciall' is said:)
Aphrodite Macbain: ah... he...ok
Bertram Jacobus: people are different
Bertram Jacobus: i can accept that
Xirana Oximoxi: yes I agree:)
Bertram Jacobus: that makes the diversity
Aphrodite Macbain smiles
Xirana Oximoxi: and SL gives us the possiblity of keep ourselfs in this world
Xirana Oximoxi: separetly of rl
Bertram Jacobus: how do you mean that xirana please ? J
Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps some see it as a place to hide
Bertram Jacobus: ah
Bertram Jacobus: ok
Aphrodite Macbain: a safe place
--BELL--
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, maybe some people are here to experice things that they don't in rl
Bertram Jacobus: yes. many people seem to feel a necessity to hide themselves, sadly i find ...

[bell]

Bertram Jacobus: oops - sry
Aphrodite Macbain: don't be sad!
Yakuzza Lethecus: Well, actually to communicate the fullness of ones thought isn´t an easy task either.
Xirana Oximoxi: it's also a way to learn about oneself maybe
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- especialy when the thoughts must fit into a small chat box!
Aphrodite Macbain: in rl i use my hands alot to talk!
Bertram Jacobus: i call it "fl" (first life) ... ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Xirana Oximoxi: probably if it wasn´t published he/she would not mind talking here... but anyway it's an option
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder how many people read our chat logs
Yakuzza Lethecus: Or before i was thinking about the tasks i did today, their usefulness, the perceptions of appearing givingupness and which traces such things leave in my memory.
Yakuzza Lethecus: Me too :)
Xirana Oximoxi: I do sometimes when I can not come:)
Aphrodite Macbain: can you say more about giving upness Yaku?
Xirana Oximoxi: I like to see what subjects they have been talking about:)
Yakuzza Lethecus: Ah today it was something technical, i tried to use stereoix to share my own voice and my systemvoice with someone on skpye to use a program together in voice.
Yakuzza Lethecus: I installed 3 different applications one of em actually about 5 times in different versiions.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes?
Yakuzza Lethecus: I don´t even know if i will ever use that application
Aphrodite Macbain: did one of them work?
Yakuzza Lethecus: it still doesn´t work
Yakuzza Lethecus: i spend 4 hours of my sparetime on forums
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe..than, difficult to use:)
Aphrodite Macbain: I wouldn't call that giving up. I would call it persistence!
Yakuzza Lethecus: and in the end i can´t show success and don´t think i learned something since all i did was clicking around
Yakuzza Lethecus: and don´t even know the deeper technological complexity
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps success can be defined differently
Bertram Jacobus: perhaps "success" is even not important ?
Aphrodite Macbain smiles at Bertram
Xirana Oximoxi: yes! succes is in another sense...if you relate it to technological matters.. always inconveneces are ready to appear
Aphrodite Macbain: the notion of success is probably all about ego
Yakuzza Lethecus: and in the end i get sad not because of what i did but because i ,,lost so much time in playing with something that now seems useless"
Xirana Oximoxi: our society put a lot of importance in this word 'succes'... and it becomes frustrating sometimes... but for me, the most important is getting in the process of doing things
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps you learned something in the process - what is important to you and what, ultimately, isn'r
Aphrodite Macbain: isnm't
Aphrodite Macbain: isn't
Bertram Jacobus: :o)
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Bertram Jacobus: <:o)
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, that´s a concern for me too, if i have the oven too hot my cake get´s burned and next time i put it on 180 degree´s
Aphrodite Macbain: :-(0
Xirana Oximoxi: yes..the important is 'learninng something in the process'
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Xirana Oximoxi: :))
Bertram Jacobus: (my last smily was / is a little clown with a cap) ! :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: with technology it´s like, it´s only for this applications sake if it works and if that doesn´t exist it´s like ovens and cake´s never existed
Aphrodite Macbain: hehe
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps the desire for an unburnt cake still exists!
Xirana Oximoxi: ;D
Bertram Jacobus: probably, yes, i would agree :-)
Xirana Oximoxi: immaterial things don't desapear so quick
Aphrodite Macbain begins to think about how much she'd like to eat some chocolate cake
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, at least partially :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s like we are all suddenly the coolest geeks in secondlife building, but the grid get´s shut down
Bertram Jacobus: may be, they are not immaterial but only subtile ...
Xirana Oximoxi: I was thinking of 'desire' :))
Aphrodite Macbain: like rearranging deck chairs on the titanic, we focus on the meaningless details and not on the big picture
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, of course building as syntergetic effects, esthetical judgement and a lot of synergetical effects so i totally agree that we take "something"
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: "we" aph ? ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: well, me I guess :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: I tend to worry about little things
Bertram Jacobus: but ... then you notice again : there is "the big picture", obviously ! :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: yes. but sometimes it needs to be pointed out to me
Aphrodite Macbain: meditating helps
Bertram Jacobus: same for me i think ...
Aphrodite Macbain: yes?
Bertram Jacobus: yes. and some teachings
Bertram Jacobus: help as well
Aphrodite Macbain: I have been reading Pema Chodron - dealing with uncertainty
Bertram Jacobus: to make awareness "bigger"
Bertram Jacobus: how nice ! satia, ma gf reads many of pema´s booke these days
Aphrodite Macbain: yes - to exand it out beyond our own small bodies
Bertram Jacobus: and they help her so much
Bertram Jacobus: i´m very thankful for that ...
Aphrodite Macbain: yes, Pema is a lovely teacher and writes so beautifully
Bertram Jacobus: and happy - and yes ! - although it´s not for me : "too sentimental to me" lol - too much feelings - i hope i can express what i mean (?) ... :o)
Aphrodite Macbain: I have a CD called don't bite the hook
Xirana Oximoxi: I'm waiting to finish my semester to read carefully his book about time.. and I find so interesting what he does, sharing opinions during the process of writing iit
Aphrodite Macbain: helping me not react emotionally to things - anger, fear etc
Xirana Oximoxi: but now...is Pema Chodron 'unser' Pema??? now I'm not sure
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Pema Chodron is a Buddhist nun
Bertram Jacobus: noo - piet / pema and pema chödrön are NOT the same :-)
 Aphrodite Macbain: not our Pema
Xirana Oximoxi: oh! sorry! :)
Bertram Jacobus: hehe. np ! :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: no need to apologize
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: can you tell us about SATIA? Is she in SL too?
Bertram Jacobus: oh. yes. sure. she was already here a few times with me
Aphrodite Macbain: sorry I must have missed her
Xirana Oximoxi: I think I've met her at Zen's exhibition..just a moment,
Aphrodite Macbain: Did Zen have a SL exhibition?
Bertram Jacobus: yes. she often is quite quiet ... ;-)
Xirana Oximoxi: yes Aph..he has a nice Art Gallery
Aphrodite Macbain: oh. I'll have to get the location and visit
Xirana Oximoxi: I don't have the LM now, but if you see his pics you can find it
Aphrodite Macbain: I have found him on Facebook
Aphrodite Macbain: kk
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Bertram Jacobus: dear friends - i like to have a little break - so i´ll log off ... cu soon again - have a nice time pls ! ... *wave* ...
Xirana Oximoxi: thanks Bertram, have a nice time you too.)
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Bertram - GTSY. and thanks for being here
Bertram Jacobus: ty :-))
Aphrodite Macbain: I must go too - I have an appointment with a book
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye aph
Aphrodite Macbain: I'll try and come back more frequently
Xirana Oximoxi: good..I alsowill go, nice day to all and see you soon:)
Aphrodite Macbain: bfn
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Yaky and Aph!
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye xirana
Xirana Oximoxi: Yaku
Xirana Oximoxi: :)