The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

Many new and a few regular attendees tonight including a "Giionist" and discussion of chinese proverbs,

oO0Oo Resident's appreciation of thier full name being typed, which shows up as this here "Samúð" but looks better in SL

stevenaia Michinaga: hi sam

--BELL--

oO0Oo Resident: :) hi Stevenaia
oO0Oo Resident: hi Arch :)
Archmage Atlantis: Hello Samúð
stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Arch
stevenaia Michinaga: I heard the bell, but no smoking fountain
Archmage Atlantis: And evening bells to youk Stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: guess it's a "get out of meditation free" card
Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps
stevenaia Michinaga: and I can;t make the fountain low tonight
Archmage Atlantis: Then it wants what it wants
stevenaia Michinaga: must be the lag, there it goes
Archmage Atlantis: Sometimes the universe just does it's own thing
stevenaia Michinaga: some resist, and some just lets it "do"
Archmage Atlantis: And sometimes resistence is the way, other times letting go is the way......confusing as that may be
oO0Oo Resident nods
stevenaia Michinaga: always an interesting choice
Archmage Atlantis: may we each live in interesting times :)
stevenaia Michinaga: where is that a quote from, Arch?
Archmage Atlantis: It is modification of an old Chinese proverb, as best I know, Stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: Wikipedia speaks... you are correct Arch
stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: wonders why it is considered a curse
stevenaia Michinaga: the alternative sounds like being in a coma
Archmage Atlantis: I think I understand a bit why that is, Stevenaia
oO0Oo Resident: dare we look into it? lol
Archmage Atlantis: There is a sense that what makes times interesting, is what makes them unexplained and unexpected
stevenaia Michinaga: and what is unexplained and unexpected eventually gets explained and becomes expected
Archmage Atlantis: Eventually, and that is a path
Archmage Atlantis: One does not always chose one's path
stevenaia Michinaga: I tend to think the path cooses you
oO0Oo Resident: but in seeking the excitement or entertainment of the 'new'... if bored for example.. we may be in for something more painful than we bargained for
stevenaia Michinaga: chooses
oO0Oo Resident: does anything ultimately choose?
stevenaia Michinaga: yes , sam, but Im not sure that isn;t what education is about
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, paths come, whatever my choice.....tho my choice does determine my path
Archmage Atlantis: A conundrum
Archmage Atlantis: A Haiku

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: the universe offers alternatives, the choice has been made before you select only what is before you
Archmage Atlantis: At times, yes, that can be true
stevenaia Michinaga: you see a cat, you call the cat, the cat comes or does not
oO0Oo Resident: you see a cat.. you wish for its happiness.. whatever happens happens
Archmage Atlantis: I do not see the cat, the cat comes, I find it in my arms....then it leaves.....
Archmage Atlantis: ty schroedinger
oO0Oo Resident: are these portraits of us lol
Archmage Atlantis: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: is this a cat person session?
oO0Oo Resident: i am haunted by feeling so repetitive in my personality and expressions
stevenaia Michinaga: can you say more Sam?
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Samúð, please do
oO0Oo Resident: i feel at times limited.. even revulsion for my patterns of being
oO0Oo Resident: responding in same ways
oO0Oo Resident: with similar words
oO0Oo Resident: and timings
stevenaia Michinaga: what are your "patterns of being"?
oO0Oo Resident: good question
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
oO0Oo Resident: guarding with humour is one
oO0Oo Resident: mmm.. guarding is perhaps not the best wor
oO0Oo Resident: *word
oO0Oo Resident: defending from being fully present
stevenaia Michinaga: humor as a sheild?
Archmage Atlantis: On this, I have a thought......patterns are merely elderly ways of organizing self and thought
oO0Oo Resident: entrenched Arch?
oO0Oo Resident: or simply old?
oO0Oo Resident: thank you for spelling out my name .. by the way :)
Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps, Samúð........new patterns may give no more clarity, but have value in being new explorations
oO0Oo Resident: yes.. that's it!
oO0Oo Resident: may 'I' live in interesting times!
Archmage Atlantis: We spoke of it's meaning, Samúð, I do not have the keys on the US keyboard....so I copy and paste it
oO0Oo Resident: thanks a lot
oO0Oo Resident: it's meaningful
stevenaia Michinaga: Samúð
oO0Oo Resident: :))) (((Stevenaia)))
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, not Steve.....Stevenaia
oO0Oo Resident: :) (((arch)))

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: I will be away a moment....
Archmage Atlantis: Welcome Malinson
Malinson Bloobury: hi all
Malinson Bloobury: Are you having a stimulating conversation?
Archmage Atlantis: Yes we are Malinson
Malinson Bloobury: What about if I may ask?
Archmage Atlantis: Might I ask if you have been here to the Play as Being Meeting b4?
Malinson Bloobury: No I have not, I did however come here deliberately.
Archmage Atlantis: There is a card that explains the order of this place
Archmage Atlantis: Ah ok
oO0Oo Resident: hi Malinson... Welcome!
oO0Oo Resident: hi Druth
oO0Oo Resident: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: back, hello Malinson
Archmage Atlantis: That may be a bit old
druth Vlodovic: hi guys :)
Archmage Atlantis: Hi druth
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Druth
Malinson Bloobury: well that was a bit much
druth Vlodovic: welcome malinson
Malinson Bloobury: I'm a slow rteader
Malinson Bloobury: and I tire from it easy unfortunatly
Archmage Atlantis: Please, have a seat around the fontain Malinson
stevenaia Michinaga: Malinson, we record our conversations here, is it ok to include you. we post our sessions on the groups wiki
Archmage Atlantis: No problem
Malinson Bloobury: sure
stevenaia Michinaga: thanks so much
Malinson Bloobury: record as in text?
Archmage Atlantis: We were discussing a proverb, that may not be a proverb
Archmage Atlantis: Only a piece of clear thought
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, we post the logs of each session... 4x a day for the past 3 years :)
oO0Oo Resident: we've been talking a little about 'choice' 'fate in a way', 'path', 'patterns of being' and also 'consideration in a way'
oO0Oo Resident: all under Arch's proverb ;)
druth Vlodovic: I missed the proverb
Malinson Bloobury: I'm a high-school drop out so grammer is not my strong point
druth Vlodovic: "saying"
stevenaia Michinaga: proverb? thought it was a curse
Archmage Atlantis: I like the muggle reference
Monarchy Republic: hi peeps ...:)
druth Vlodovic: hi mona
Monarchy Republic: sorry druth ,,always landing on your head :s
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Monarchy, welcome
stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before Monarchy
Malinson Bloobury: A mind that cares to know is an understanding that will only grow. I am not so arrogant to presume your needs nor teach you what you don’t want to know.
Monarchy Republic: yes :) steveaia :) tks :)
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
oO0Oo Resident: hiya Monarchy :) gtsy!
Monarchy Republic: :)))
oO0Oo Resident: :) malinson
Monarchy Republic: everyone .with happiness in your hearts ,,,? :)
Malinson Bloobury: My name is Malinson, First High Priest of the Temple of Bhaag and the Herald-Avatar to all of Giionism
oO0Oo Resident: @Druth paraphrasing the proverb: "May you live in interesting times"
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Monarch.....there is the happiness of sharing in my heart
druth Vlodovic: ah yes, the old chinese curse :)
druth Vlodovic: in boring times we can make our own entertainment
oO0Oo Resident: happiness in my heart (check) ;)
Monarchy Republic: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I think some people underestimate the power of that , Samúð

--BELL--

Monarchy Republic: some are totally unaware
Malinson Bloobury: Anyone can ask questions, but only a mind that truly seeks will ask the right ones.
Monarchy Republic: but im having problem comprehending how there minds work ,,
Monarchy Republic: yep...i can think of lots of answers too ,,the questions are like little quick fishes in a pool
stevenaia Michinaga: I don;t know if anyone knows how the mind works, Monarchy
Archmage Atlantis: Ravenclaw, Sytherene,.......I forget the other 3 houses, tho one is my own
druth Vlodovic: Gryffindor and Hufflepuff
oO0Oo Resident: now... wouldn't a perspective have to be *totally* aware, in order to glean the degree of unawareness in another?
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Ah, right....Gryffindor
stevenaia Michinaga: nods, Samúð
stevenaia Michinaga: at least aware of unawareness
druth Vlodovic: if you were totally aware would you still be able to judge?
oO0Oo Resident: 'cause.. I'm thinking... I must surely be substantially unaware on the scale of things ;)
Archmage Atlantis: To judge....interesting.....that implies a standard to judge against
Monarchy Republic: yes :)
stevenaia Michinaga: do you judge from not knowing or knowing
Monarchy Republic: its context too
druth Vlodovic: a standard, a prejudice, a blinder for my eyes
oO0Oo Resident: context Monarchy?
Archmage Atlantis: We have snakes, frogs, bugs and dust that live in our yard.......they are part of this planet
oO0Oo Resident: yay
Archmage Atlantis: Ooops, raving
Monarchy Republic: i was finding a problem understanding why some people do things simply because they want to posesss a thing ,,not caring how it hurts others ,,knowing the possession of an object is just a tempoary hormonal serotonin rush ... and that just doesnt make sense to me ?
oO0Oo Resident remembers story... mmm but it is part of my habitual pattern to tell or recount stories lol
Archmage Atlantis: Give it a go, Samúð
Monarchy Republic: :)
oO0Oo Resident: well.. never underestimate a seratonin rush.. i say... but..
Monarchy Republic: either way words have a rhythm and can dance forever in the universe :)
oO0Oo Resident: It was Suzuki Roshi saying of his students
Archmage Atlantis: bow to Monarchy
oO0Oo Resident: "you are all perfect as you are, but you can all stand some improvement" lol... not a direct quote
Monarchy Republic: :)
oO0Oo Resident likes idea of forever dance
Archmage Atlantis: The quote itself is perfect as it is......but will receive some improvement
Archmage Atlantis: *g*
Monarchy Republic: another quote is '' you know what thy did to the other guy who was perfect :s
oO0Oo Resident: :) Archmage
oO0Oo Resident: [19:14] stevenaia Michinaga: yes , sam, but Im not sure that isn;t what education is about
oO0Oo Resident: education, as in leap into the unknown Stevenaia?
stevenaia Michinaga: education as in the next (baby) step toward personal enlightenment
Archmage Atlantis: Leaping with eyes, ears, skin, animal friends, and more, open to input.
oO0Oo Resident nods.. a kinder , gentler approach
oO0Oo Resident: open
stevenaia Michinaga: so yes, Samúð that unknown that already is defined, but needs to be uncovered insde yourself
oO0Oo Resident: ah
stevenaia Michinaga: like the oak tree that lives inside the acron
oO0Oo Resident: i love that oak tree... don't you!
Malinson Bloobury: the acorn represents the latent truth of the oak tree.
stevenaia Michinaga: I love the squirrel that plays with the acorn
Monarchy Republic: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: the tree universe in the palm of it's paw
Monarchy Republic: ive talked to that squirrel so many times :P

--BELL--

oO0Oo Resident smiles... this is a squirrely conversation
Archmage Atlantis: "Will you walk a little faster, said the whiting to the snail,
Malinson Bloobury: no, the universe is latent...not manifest. So it would not be in one's palm.
Archmage Atlantis: "There's a porpoise close behind us, and he's treading on my tail.
Archmage Atlantis: Lewis Carroll
Archmage Atlantis: Blssings et namaste
oO0Oo Resident: [19:59] Malinson Bloobury: the acorn represents the latent truth of the oak tree Nice Malinson.. must of kept on learning after high school I'd say :)

oO0Oo Resident: tc Arch!
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Arch.... I'll be back in a moment
Monarchy Republic: tc Arch :)
Malinson Bloobury: That which is created cannot be so without the potential to be created. If there is no potential for something to ever exist, then that something can never exist in any reality. Giionism teaches that creation is simply an act of rising into manifestation that which is a latent truth. Field probabilities dictate that any latent potential becomes an actual when temporally reversed toward ad infinitum.
Monarchy Republic: totally :)
Monarchy Republic: things are
Monarchy Republic: though some thing are ..but we dont see them ,,either because our instruments are incapble ..or we just refuse to see them
oO0Oo Resident smiles.. not really understanding anything, but caring about everyone here most assuredly :))
Malinson Bloobury: See what?
Monarchy Republic: i had a friendd 'who DIDNT believe in ghosts - but was scared of them ' :s o_0
oO0Oo Resident: Sadly.. I must leave early.. and such a nice conversation too..
Monarchy Republic: keep love ..o000o :)
stevenaia Michinaga: bye my friend
oO0Oo Resident: baby steps... until next time... so nice to be with you all! ..tc
oO0Oo Resident: bye
Malinson Bloobury: bye
Monarchy Republic: and taste test everything
Monarchy Republic: remote control ..couch arms ...
Malinson Bloobury: that would be quite impossib;e
Monarchy Republic: baby steps ;)
oO0Oo Resident: hehe Monarchy! <3 and nice to meet you Malinson :)
Malinson Bloobury: four down three to go
stevenaia Michinaga: Malinson you said you came here deliberately, how did you find out about our group?
Malinson Bloobury: via the search.
Malinson Bloobury: search term..philosophy
Malinson Bloobury: I want to get an idea what people here talk about
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: we explore the nature of reality here
stevenaia Michinaga: seems to cover many topics
Monarchy Republic: :)
Monarchy Republic: the whole kaboodle ..great name for the universe :)
Malinson Bloobury: Although I may not look the part, I am a Giionist High Priest. My job is to help people see things as they are., not as they want it to be.
stevenaia Michinaga: what is Giionist?
druth Vlodovic: a worthy goal, but why make people see things in any way?
Monarchy Republic: Visipanna ?
Malinson Bloobury: Giionism is a devotional discipline that focuses on the base aspects of spiritually, what they mean and how they apply to the growth and development of our spiritual construct.
Malinson Bloobury: It teaches that our realm of existence had an initiator who we call Mother-Giiona. Our practice involves transforming our spirits into her children, thereby giving us greater opportunities to obtain the enlightenment of our Great-Aspiration.
Monarchy Republic: that desire and retraction are the true evils are discomforts ,,remove them life gets very simple
Malinson Bloobury: No, you cannot remove them. as for evil,...

--BELL--

Malinson Bloobury: Giionism cannot reconcile a position that nature is morally incorrect. Nature’s stipulation is neither fair nor unfair, good or evil, just or unjust. These concepts are tools by which are used to control you. We do not view reality as we desire it to be, for ours is a path to the Great-Aspiration, the wellspring of inspiration, the light of hope and the fruit of trust. There is no greater way.
Monarchy Republic: evil was a error ,,i tried to correct
Malinson Bloobury: All religions of the world are focused on telling people good from bad, right from wrong, left from right....this is not the path
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Eduard
Eduard Rumsford: helllo
stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before?
Eduard Rumsford: no
Eduard Rumsford: i just happened to come here
stevenaia Michinaga: we record our sessions here, is it ok to include you?
Eduard Rumsford: what is it about?
Eduard Rumsford: ok
Monarchy Republic: hi Eduard :)
Eduard Rumsford: cool .. i am in :)
Malinson Bloobury: hi eduard
stevenaia Michinaga: we explore the nature of reality through conversation 4 times a day
Eduard Rumsford: hii everyone :)
stevenaia Michinaga: we meet at 7:00 am andpm and 1:00 am and pm for an hour or so
Monarchy Republic: i hope reality is something that brings comforts and maybe a few challenges along the way ( keeps it spicey :) ) Eduard :)
stevenaia Michinaga: (ever 6 hiurs)
stevenaia Michinaga: hours
stevenaia Michinaga: feel free to stop by anytime
Monarchy Republic: is it difficult to reconcile the Giionism with a society so opposite to the thoughts
stevenaia Michinaga: clear your head, or drop over like Druth over there
Malinson Bloobury: If I respect not my own life then how could I lay claim that I respect others? If I ravage the resources of my vital spirit, then how could I ever be a community asset? If I violate the trust inherrent in the bonds of my spirit, then how could anyone lay trust in me? Giionism dose not tell you how to live your life nor dose it teach you right from wrong - it doesn’t have too…
Monarchy Republic: or does it matter if your perspective is relaxed and clear
Monarchy Republic: :)
Monarchy Republic: sounds like im heading the same way -ish
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: sleep and dreaming is a very creative place too
Monarchy Republic: i find a lot folk say ..i am here at A. and the solution is here at B.
Monarchy Republic: when A.B.and C. are prtty much sat on top of each other
Malinson Bloobury: We cannot control what reality does to us, but we can control what reality is to us; and what reality is too us is the vital source of our future.
Monarchy Republic: lots of Delta rhythms are god for you Stevenaia
Monarchy Republic: i just want to be a harmonious force in the universe ..
Monarchy Republic: if thats what the universe wills
Monarchy Republic: maybe the universe ike malevolent forces too ?
Malinson Bloobury: What does being harmonious mean?
Monarchy Republic: yes ..thats why i wasnt sure
stevenaia Michinaga: not swimming upstream
Malinson Bloobury: as apposed to downstream?
stevenaia Michinaga: as opposed to with the current
Malinson Bloobury: this 'current' where do you think it leads?
Monarchy Republic: but then mybe radical things need to happen too
stevenaia Michinaga: it's not the destination
stevenaia Michinaga: that;s important
Monarchy Republic: but to be 'in tune' seems the most wise thing to do
Malinson Bloobury: are you saying that one should just let the winds of chaos guide their direction in life?
Monarchy Republic: well ..thats what happens ..lol
stevenaia Michinaga: they will anyway, whether you let them or not
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Eduard Rumsford: i fell that too
Eduard Rumsford: feel*
Malinson Bloobury: When one shuts off the motor to their ship, dose not the water cease the resistance against the ship?
Monarchy Republic: just we wrap it up in egos ,,public relations ,,marketing and various attempt competence :P

--BELL--

Malinson Bloobury: As we sail accross the sea of suffering, we should expect resistence as we sail in the direction our passengers needs us to go. If we do not, then how would our passengers be so happy with thier state of affair?
Monarchy Republic: its the 'D' word ...and the 'D' word is a fallacy ...the biggest illlusion in the universe :)
Malinson Bloobury: fallacy?
stevenaia Michinaga: I must go, getting late here, nice meeting you and hope to see you again
Monarchy Republic: sleepyhead dream nice :)
Malinson Bloobury: 3 down 2 to go
Monarchy Republic: 04.30 AM ...but matchsticks in my eyeballs ;P
Malinson Bloobury: I make joke.
Malinson Bloobury: no offence meant
Monarchy Republic: :)
Monarchy Republic: its okay :)
druth Vlodovic: well, I still count 4, but I'll make it 3 and seek bed myself :)
druth Vlodovic: have fun guys
Monarchy Republic: you have to really make an effort to make me feel any offence :)