2011.05.12 01:00 - Giionism

The Guardian for this meeting was Zen Arado. The comments are by Zen Arado. Present were eveOeve Resident, Malinson Bloombury, Pema Pera and myself

Malinson introduces his religion:

Zen Arado: Hi Malinson :)
Malinson Bloobury: hi
Zen Arado: you been here before?
Malinson Bloobury: one...briefly
Zen Arado: ah ok..so you are happy that we record the conversations and put them on a Wiki?
Zen Arado: sorry..we have to ask in case
Malinson Bloobury: yes
Zen Arado: great
Malinson Bloobury: My name is Malinson, First High Priest of the Temple of Bhaag and the Herald-Avatar to all of Giionism
Zen Arado: oh?
Zen Arado: you might have to explain that a bit to me :)
Malinson Bloobury: sure
Zen Arado: Giionism?
Malinson Bloobury: Giionism is a devotional discipline that focuses on the base aspects of spiritually, what they mean and how they apply to the growth and development of our spiritual construct.
Malinson Bloobury: It is taught in Giionism that we have two distinct and often adversarial beings connected to our seemingly singular life. Our spiritual mind, which rises from a culmination of many beings, and our physical mind (both conscious and unconscious). Giionism helps us connect with our spiritual minds so that we may become enlightened to our Great-Aspiration.
Malinson Bloobury: Giionism takes the position that our spiritual aspect is not a singular entity as taught by many religions, but a vast community of spiritual beings of varying degrees of complexity and uniqueness.
Zen Arado: I see a lot of parallels with other religions though
Malinson Bloobury: Such as?
Zen Arado: Buddhism teaches the interconnectivity of all beings
Zen Arado: Christianity focuses on two aspects of human nature...good and evil
Malinson Bloobury: Giionism does not teach that, in fact Giionism proves that such a state of affair to be impossible.
Malinson Bloobury: good and evil is another concept that Giionism shows to be unreal.
Malinson Bloobury: am I still online?
Zen Arado: but you said 'spiritual aspect is not a singular entity as taught by many religions, but a vast community of spiritual beings of varying degrees of complexity and uniqueness.'
Zen Arado: yep
Malinson Bloobury: indeed.
Zen Arado: (I'm trying to understand)
Zen Arado: when you say community it suggests interconnectivity to me
Zen Arado: as does the word ;complexity' (Malinson disappeared at this point)

Pema and Eve arrive:

Zen Arado: Hi Pema :)
Pema Pera: hi Zen!
Zen Arado: Hi Eve :)
Pema Pera: and hi eve!
eveOeve Resident: greetings
Zen Arado: have you been here before Eve?
eveOeve Resident: yes
Zen Arado: and you are happy that we record the meetings on a Wiki?
eveOeve Resident: recording meetings is fine
Zen Arado: great
eveOeve Resident: of course one needs to make sure ToS compliance
eveOeve Resident: i have no issues
Zen Arado: I just had a guy here who is a high priest of a religion called Giionism
Zen Arado: "Giionism is a devotional discipline that focuses on the base aspects of spiritually, what they mean and how they apply to the growth and development of our spiritual construct. [01:20] Malinson Bloobury: It is taught in Giionism that we have two distinct and often adversarial beings connected to our seemingly singular life. Our spiritual mind, which rises from a culmination of many beings, and our physical mind (both conscious and unconscious). Giionism helps us connect with our spiritual minds so that we may become enlightened to our Great-Aspiration."
Zen Arado: I looked it up on google
Zen Arado: but it appears he is the only member :)
Pema Pera: :-)
Zen Arado: I asked him a couple of questions but he disappeared then
eveOeve Resident: Malinson
Pema Pera: it's kind of appealing to start your own religion, I guess
Zen Arado: yes
eveOeve Resident: well

 Eve further outlines Malinson's teachings

eveOeve Resident: what are your questions
Zen Arado: I just asked him about similarities I saw with Buddhism and Christianity
Pema Pera: I don't have so many questions, but I'm curious to learn about all kinds of things :-)
eveOeve Resident: no
eveOeve Resident: Giionism
eveOeve Resident: is simple terms is the true realm of the mind
eveOeve Resident: unlimited
eveOeve Resident: infinite
eveOeve Resident: even to the point of the MIND facining its own paradox
eveOeve Resident: that it itself is an illusion
Zen Arado: you follow this too?
eveOeve Resident: NO
eveOeve Resident: i was here yesterday
Zen Arado: how do you know about it?
Zen Arado: ah ok
eveOeve Resident: sat with baby face
eveOeve Resident: and instead of shoving my breasts into his mouth to feed him and shut him up
eveOeve Resident: i entertained him by listening
eveOeve Resident: i am here today
eveOeve Resident: even stupidity has a spark of wisdom
Zen Arado: well...I didn't ask any searching questions
eveOeve Resident: there are no similarities
eveOeve Resident: between buddhism nor christianity
eveOeve Resident: the MIND
eveOeve Resident: first emergence
eveOeve Resident: primality
eveOeve Resident: has infinite but discrete possibilitites
eveOeve Resident: this young baby face
eveOeve Resident: somehow has hit upon the truth
eveOeve Resident: buddha made you responsible for your actions only nothing else
eveOeve Resident: christ guilted you like hell
eveOeve Resident: both and sadly even Lao Tse
eveOeve Resident: this idiot has spoken wisely
eveOeve Resident: i am impressed at his ignorance uncovering truth
Zen Arado: "buddha made you responsible for your actions only nothing else"
Zen Arado: ?
eveOeve Resident: teachers who define causes and effects
eveOeve Resident: you know the universal truth which simply is
Zen Arado: karma you mean?
eveOeve Resident: no one can ever see their own face and even the mirror is a part of the illusion
eveOeve Resident: karma
eveOeve Resident: and such things bear no meaning in the infinitude of things and the flow and flux
eveOeve Resident: just for one moment reflect
eveOeve Resident: can you see your own face
eveOeve Resident: can the mittor be trusted
eveOeve Resident: mirror
eveOeve Resident: Giionna is just symbolic
eveOeve Resident: your mind
eveOeve Resident: is All
eveOeve Resident: i will not take you away from your beliefs
eveOeve Resident: why should i
Zen Arado: listening...
eveOeve Resident: they are after all rooted in doing good and being good
eveOeve Resident: compassion asks for nothing more
eveOeve Resident: but cute baby face is different
eveOeve Resident: adamant stupid pig headed and yet
Zen Arado: brb
eveOeve Resident: said one brilliant spark
eveOeve Resident: i never give time or thought to such as his stubbornness
eveOeve Resident: i logged in and his response in an IM
Zen Arado: back
Pema Pera: wb, Zen
eveOeve Resident: wb
Zen Arado: makes me wonder about people founding religions
eveOeve Resident: Zen and Pema
Zen Arado: how can you believe them?
eveOeve Resident: please do a SL search for Malinson
Zen Arado: makes you realise the weight of tradition in religions
eveOeve Resident: do not confuse the force and farce of man with God
Zen Arado: I used to wonder if Jesus came back today would anyone listen to him
eveOeve Resident: if i told you God told me so and so
eveOeve Resident: and even if he did so what
Zen Arado: so there is a god in it?
eveOeve Resident: you are jumping at words
eveOeve Resident: dont
Zen Arado: that's all we have Eve
eveOeve Resident: it is simple
Zen Arado: inadequate as they are
eveOeve Resident: MIND
eveOeve Resident: pure undefined
eveOeve Resident: not really
eveOeve Resident: go back to what i said
eveOeve Resident: can you see your face
eveOeve Resident: can anyone see their face
Zen Arado: that reminds me of 'The Headless Way'
eveOeve Resident: the mirror is a part of the illusion
eveOeve Resident: no no
Zen Arado: they use that point
eveOeve Resident: dont label please
eveOeve Resident: no
eveOeve Resident: it is not the same
Zen Arado: we can't see ouselves of course
eveOeve Resident: and what about anyone or anything else
Zen Arado: and mirrors only give a flat 2 D representation wrong way around
eveOeve Resident: they are a part of the outside and cannot be relied upon
eveOeve Resident: you are unsure what they show tou
eveOeve Resident: you*
Zen Arado: not unsure
Zen Arado: just don't see it as me
eveOeve Resident: bot certain
eveOeve Resident: not certain
Zen Arado: of course
eveOeve Resident: and so
eveOeve Resident: this is what All has in common
Zen Arado: we have a very poor take on reality through limited sensory apparatus
eveOeve Resident: let concepts go for one moment
Zen Arado: and poor means of communicating anything we do find
eveOeve Resident: i know all that Zen
eveOeve Resident: i am doing my best to simplify
Zen Arado: you can't talk to me without using concepts
eveOeve Resident: as long as you try to find something to tie things to it wont make sense
Zen Arado: we try to abandon them in Zen
eveOeve Resident: well
Zen Arado: I know
eveOeve Resident: please do this
Zen Arado: that's what koans are for
eveOeve Resident: reflect upon seeing our face
eveOeve Resident: and who else is unable to see their face
eveOeve Resident: even what else
eveOeve Resident: the answers start from there
eveOeve Resident: could you please try to search for Malinson's name it is missing in search
Zen Arado: I found refs to Giionism
Zen Arado: and Malinson is there
eveOeve Resident: i saw it also
Zen Arado: did you look at the headless way?
eveOeve Resident: dropped the d
Zen Arado: it sounds so like what you are saying
eveOeve Resident: no
Zen Arado: http://www.headless.org/english-welcome.htm
eveOeve Resident: i have seen some but not all
eveOeve Resident: mysticism
Zen Arado: it quite a valid technique
Zen Arado: there are many paths
eveOeve Resident: and how is malinson related to Play as being
eveOeve Resident: well tell me something
eveOeve Resident: the headless way
Zen Arado: he has came here a couple of times is all I know
eveOeve Resident: removes sight
eveOeve Resident: or all senses
eveOeve Resident: including MIND
eveOeve Resident: the six monkeys of th ehouse are gone
Zen Arado: it's all on that website Eve
Zen Arado: with practical experiments
eveOeve Resident: Zen
eveOeve Resident: forget the teachers
eveOeve Resident: focus on the first principles
Zen Arado: you need teachers to begin
Zen Arado: then they become redundant
Zen Arado: but I consider carefully what they say
eveOeve Resident: that is the start
Zen Arado: and test in my own experience
Zen Arado: as the Buddha taught us to do :)
Zen Arado: the headless way is a good practical technique
Zen Arado: I get thier free newsletter
eveOeve Resident: YES
eveOeve Resident: finally you said it
eveOeve Resident: your own experience
eveOeve Resident: Ronald Reagan; trust but verify
Zen Arado: yeh
Zen Arado: I have to go now Eve
eveOeve Resident: yes
Zen Arado: interesting talking to you
eveOeve Resident: so Malinson and Play as Being are not connected
Zen Arado: no
Zen Arado: we have a different practice
Zen Arado: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Guardian_Pages/Visitor_Notecard_Templates/PlayasBeing_Information
eveOeve Resident: at least yours is peaceful and nicer to others
eveOeve Resident: thanks
eveOeve Resident: i will be here often
Zen Arado: ty I have given you a notecard about what they practice here
eveOeve Resident: i like it especially the nice way you spoke
Zen Arado: but we have many different practices as well
Zen Arado: thank you
Zen Arado: I try to be open
eveOeve Resident: see you Zen
Zen Arado: yes
Zen Arado: bye