2011.05.20 01:00 - Everybody loves everybody

Wol Euler was guardian for this session.

Wol Euler: Well, dear Listener, tomorrow is Rapture Day!
Wol Euler: hello sam
oO0Oo Resident: ;) ntsy Wol
Wol Euler: likewise
Wol Euler grins.
oO0Oo Resident: ty
Wol Euler: yw, bon appetit
Wol Euler: happy Day Before the Rapture, by the way :)
oO0Oo Resident: soon we will be trying to recapture the rapture... for now the cookie is the penultimate choice
Wol Euler: the world's going to end tomorrow, and hte righteous will be taken up to Heaven to sit beside Jesus
Wol Euler nods vigorously.
Wol Euler: while it's good to keep an open mind about phenomena, I will admit to finding it hard in this case
Wol Euler: and I am *really* looking forward to Sunday. To hear what the rapturists have to say
oO0Oo Resident: I try to take things as they come...
oO0Oo Resident nibbles cookie
Wol Euler smiles.
eggsalad Ormstein: hi pals
oO0Oo Resident imagines rapters making off with rapturers
Wol Euler: hello egg
oO0Oo Resident: heya egg!
eggsalad Ormstein: Imma get a Mercedes Saturday, for free!
Wol Euler: yeah :)
oO0Oo Resident: for the record, I am not gonna get a Mercedes this weekend
eggsalad Ormstein: I figure some good Christian will get raptured, leaving the keys in their Mercedes
Wol Euler: I wonder whether the rapturists will refrain from work tomorrow? Would the pilots refuse to fly, to prevent their planes crashing when they are taken?
oO0Oo Resident thinks twice about typing
oO0Oo Resident: cookie egg?
Wol Euler: he has one :)
oO0Oo Resident: did anyone see something beautiful in their day/night?
Wol Euler: I was dreaming about riding the greyhound bus along shady New England streets at night with a friend from high school
Wol Euler: it was quite peaceful, pastoral almost
Wol Euler: and you?
oO0Oo Resident grins... pleasant

--BELL--

oO0Oo Resident: aside from egg and yourself... well i walked in a beautiful garden... saw a henry moore sculpture, a serendipitous rainbow effect on a wall, some amazing patterns of light in public fountain pool.. some quite nice painted photographs... and a beautiful cat
eggsalad Ormstein: pardon me
Wol Euler: very nice, sam
Wol Euler: sounds like you had a good day
oO0Oo Resident: thanks... yes it was nice Wol
oO0Oo Resident: hi Pema :)
Pema Pera: hi Wol & O
Wol Euler: hello pema, nice to see you again
Pema Pera: same here!
Wol Euler: you are in Kyoto?
Pema Pera: yup
Pema Pera: very peaceful
Wol Euler: good :)
Pema Pera: no earthquakes :)
Wol Euler: heheh
Pema Pera: great weather
Wol Euler: the aftershocks have stopped?
Pema Pera: just made a nice stroll along the kamogawa river - which you well remember
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: Hana and I talk about the Starbucks at Sanjo Dori, sitting there watching hte hawks circle above the river
Pema Pera: yes!
oO0Oo Resident: had a conversation with a lovely couple who described how they et along well with all their neighbors
Pema Pera: they are very impressive in their wu-wei circling
Wol Euler smiles.
Pema Pera: the hawks
Pema Pera: yes, I remember you mentioning that
Wol Euler: have you seen them dive into moving traffic to pick up stuff from the road?
Wol Euler: that was astonishing
Pema Pera: as for aftershocks, they are there on a daily basis in Tokyo, but Kyoto is far away
Pema Pera: yes, amazing!
Pema Pera: very lazy AND very deadly :-)
Wol Euler: :)
Pema Pera: killing by not killing?
oO0Oo Resident: hi Tallin
Wol Euler: hello tallin, nice to see you again
Pema Pera: hi Tallin
Tallin Dezno: wow - good morning ! for those, who don´t know : i'm bertram ... :-)
Wol Euler smiles.
oO0Oo Resident waves... gtsy
Pema Pera: Hi Bert in new form :-)
Tallin Dezno: hehe. ty ... :-)
Tallin Dezno: and pema with unusual time - for being here ... :-)
Pema Pera: no, it's 5 pm here
Pema Pera: in Kyoto, Japan
Tallin Dezno: ok. but i don't remember having you met ever (!) at such a for me morning session ...
Pema Pera: oh, I've come here whenever I can
Pema Pera: but 5 pm is a bit of an in between time
Pema Pera: with work and dinner
Wol Euler nods.
Pema Pera: so it depends on the day when I can get away
Pema Pera: I like the East Coast US and Europe times!
Pema Pera: always 4 and 10
Pema Pera: away from meals :-)
Wol Euler nods.
Tallin Dezno: anf if don't disturb a running topic : how is the situation now in japan ? how much is the athmosphere still different to normal, after fukushima, tsunami and all that where you are for example pls pema ? (!) ...
Pema Pera: when I visit California, it is inconvenient, 7 and 1
Pema Pera: in Kyoto everything is normal
Pema Pera: in Tokyo it's more or less normal now
Pema Pera: far away enough from Fukushima (250 km or so)
Pema Pera: but not so far to avoid aftershocks
Pema Pera: when I was there last week, for four days in a row I was woken up in the morning with my bed shaken
Pema Pera: because of aftershocks
Wol Euler: O.O
Pema Pera: it's still daily
Pema Pera: even after two and a half months
Tallin Dezno: okay ... i see ... interesting ... how fast such real hughe problems and feelings seem to pass - okay : more the feelings of the not directly involved people ... astonishing
Pema Pera: that's how big the Earth quake was -- takes a loooooong time to reorder the earth
Tallin Dezno: yes. okay. interesting
Pema Pera: of course, for people living near Fukushima it's terrible
Pema Pera: can't go back to their homes
Pema Pera: perhaps never will
Tallin Dezno: but what were you talking about before if i may ask ? something with deadly and lazyness ? ;-)
Pema Pera: or never want to
Wol Euler nods.
Pema Pera: haha, hawks
Wol Euler: and who are all still living in temporary shelter
Pema Pera: yes
Pema Pera: my rough guess is the damage will be a trillion dollars
Tallin Dezno: yes ... :-/
Pema Pera: order of magnitude
Wol Euler: it's amazing to me, and pleasing, that there is no sign of social unrest: no looting, no vandalism, no violence
Wol Euler: at least none reported
Pema Pera: yes!!!
Pema Pera: none
Pema Pera: amazing
Pema Pera: Japan from its best side
Wol Euler: can you imagine what Los Angeles would be like under those circumstances?
Wol Euler: there'd be a quarter million dead by now
Pema Pera closes his eyes

--BELL--

Wol Euler: I'm sorry, I'm in an odd mood.
Pema Pera: how have you been lately, O? Good to see you again! I often enjoy glancing at chat logs, and finding pithy remarks by you. :-)
Tallin Dezno: i'm happy to be here ...
Tallin Dezno: happy being able to be here ...
Pema Pera: :-)
Tallin Dezno: thankful for all this, here ...
Tallin Dezno: so ty friends, wol, pema and sam ...
Wol Euler smiles. My pleasure, Tallin, I'm glad to have you here today.
oO0Oo Resident: I often feel odd Wol ;) ty Pema. nice of you to say.. heard a pithy remark from a nice couple today... "everybody appreciates everybody"... it stopped my mind :)
oO0Oo Resident: :) Tallin
Pema Pera: :-)
Pema Pera: even though some do a good job at hiding it (for themselves) :-)
Wol Euler: :)
Tallin Dezno: may i ask, why you have a female avatar now sam ?
oO0Oo Resident: I am a gender clock Tallin
oO0Oo Resident: ol
oO0Oo Resident: lol
Wol Euler: tick tock tick tock
oO0Oo Resident: just made that up
oO0Oo Resident: no reason
oO0Oo Resident: really
oO0Oo Resident: it felt good in the moment
Pema Pera is wondering about new lyrics for "Everybody loves Everybody"
Pema Pera: as opposed to "everybody loves somebody:: http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.n...25691F0007D044
oO0Oo Resident: clicks
Wol Euler smiles.
Tallin Dezno is not sure whether he understands the image "gender clock" ... but may be not so important (?) ...
Wol Euler: I was thinking of that song...
Pema Pera trying to do a global substitution of some for every in the lyrics . . .
Wol Euler: :)
Pema Pera: Everybody finds everybody someplace There's no telling where love may appear
oO0Oo Resident: The image i had was of gender changing from male to femle to male etc.. like a clock moves with time... just flowing like that
Tallin Dezno: tyvm sam ! ... :-)
Tallin Dezno: i cling a bit on "understanding" i confess ...
Wol Euler: an attachment! heheh
Tallin Dezno: yes
oO0Oo Resident: I like how you assert to understand Tallin/Bertram... it is why your English is soooo good, and my Deutsch.. nicht so gut
Tallin Dezno: but i can drop it. but it´s like automatic : spontaneously wanting to understand always comes up inside me - a habitude, a pattern ...
oO0Oo Resident: I can think of worse habits ;)
Wol Euler smiles.
Tallin Dezno: so kind ... ty again ...
Pema Pera: (sorry, have to take off for dinner elsewhere)
Pema Pera: good seeing you all here!
Wol Euler: bon appetit, pema.
Pema Pera: ty
Wol Euler: enjoy the weekend
oO0Oo Resident: likewise Pema... ntsy :))
Pema Pera: bfn
Pema Pera: mach's gut Tallin!
Tallin Dezno: then enjoy - i was happy having met you again after quite a while pema ! ...
oO0Oo Resident: always
oO0Oo Resident: "all ways" (thinks: that would include rapture)
Wol Euler: but not after it, for those taken up (I guess)
Wol Euler: are there events in Heaven? is there a time sense as one lives through infinity?
Wol Euler: remembering hundreds of thousands of years ...

--BELL--

Tallin Dezno: interesting thoughts ...
oO0Oo Resident: snack times with milk and cookies might well be enough, but infinity will tell all stories presumably
Tallin Dezno: but ... "heaven" ? - what do you mean wol ? the christian idea of heaven ?
Wol Euler: yes, thinking of after the rapture
Wol Euler: whether the Raptured have a time sense while in heaven
Tallin Dezno: my mind stumbles when it shall think "heaven" - sry ...
oO0Oo Resident: himmel
Tallin Dezno: yes, but i´m so ... convinced of not knowing whether that is a fact or not , those ideas of all that after death ...
Wol Euler: I realize that I'm not visualising it, but considering it as a state of being.
Wol Euler: or non-being, or differently-being
Wol Euler: if it exists, it is probably as different to us here as a chicken is to an egg
Wol Euler: or a two dimensional plane is to a three dimensional sphere
Wol Euler: hello dash
Tallin Dezno: hi dash
Dash Earthboy: hey y'all
Tallin Dezno: a while ago a sl newbie said to me : 3d is when i can walk around something ... then i did that with my avatar around his avatar ... :o)
oO0Oo Resident: hiya Dash :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Dash Earthboy: *waves
Dash Earthboy: i'm still a cloud on my viewer
Wol Euler: you're ruthed on mine
Dash Earthboy: oh boy
Wol Euler: turn your view distance down as low as it will go
Tallin Dezno: and i'm wondering often about the concepts of "no time" i meet here and there - to me time is a bit simple : an aspect of space and life ...
Wol Euler: then clear cache and log out/in
Wol Euler: I've found a way to understand that which is probably wrong, but which I find helpful
Tallin Dezno: the best method i know so far for such is : advanced - character - character test - and then male / female (!) ...
Wol Euler: which is to say that time exists, like the real world does, but my time sense is a construction just like my understanding of "reality"
Tallin Dezno: very nice wol - agree ! :-)
Wol Euler: I've just read an article in the New Yorker about our sense of time, where it comes from and how flexible it is
Wol Euler: let me see if it's online
Tallin Dezno: okay ...
Tallin Dezno: but can't we already understand ? is it from experiences, genetics and conditions ?
Wol Euler: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...fa_fact_bilger
Tallin Dezno: *click*
Tallin Dezno: 10 pages ! ... :-/
Wol Euler: time is like truth, perfectly obvious -- until you actually try to define and explain it :)
oO0Oo Resident: bookmarked! thanks Wol
Wol Euler: save it for a rainy weekend, tallin ;)
oO0Oo Resident: can we give room for the rapture under those criteria?
Tallin Dezno: it would take me half a day i fear to understand it in the way i would like (close to "perfectly") ... :-/

--BELL--

Wol Euler: Although Eagleman and his students study timing in the brain, their own sense of time tends to be somewhat unreliable. Eagleman wears a Russian wristwatch to work every morning, though it’s been broken for months. “The other day, I was in the lab,” he told me, “and I said to Daisy, who sits in the corner, ‘Hey, what time is it?’ And she said, ‘I don’t know. My watch is broken.’ It turns out that we’re all wearing broken watches.”
Wol Euler giggles.
Wol Euler: wb dash
Dash Earthboy: thanx
Dash Earthboy: :)
Tallin Dezno: :-)
Tallin Dezno: hey lil cloud dash wb
Tallin Dezno: and i bookmarked the site as well
Tallin Dezno: but i normally have never half days off ...
Dash Earthboy: still cloud but y'all are fine
Wol Euler: then the problem is probably your upload speed, your viewer can't send the info to the server fast enough
Tallin Dezno: did you try advanced - character - character test - male dash ?
Dash Earthboy: character test?
Tallin Dezno: yes
Wol Euler: menu command to change your av shape
Tallin Dezno: from the menu advanced - character ...
Wol Euler: that often forces a redraw and un-clouds or un-ruths
Wol Euler: if you don't have an Advanced menu, then ctrl-alt-D to get it
Tallin Dezno: great i always forget how to get that - ty wol !
Tallin Dezno: have it written down somewhere here ... somewhere ... ;-9
Dash Earthboy: oh i've got the advanced menu
Tallin Dezno: great ! it worked !
Dash Earthboy: and yaya! it worked!
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Tallin Dezno: now you can put on your normal outfit again dash ! :-)
Wol Euler cheers!
Dash Earthboy: yes!
Tallin Dezno: as is aid the most efficient method i know for this problem ...
Dash Earthboy: wonderful!
Tallin Dezno: i read a wonderful article about the intelligence of crowds - or it was a report i saw or heared ...
oO0Oo Resident: me listens
Tallin Dezno: it´s really special !
Tallin Dezno: an experiment was to estimate the weight of a cow : single persons estimated very wrongly, but the summ of all divided through the number of estimators brought up an estimation only 1 kg away from the correct weight (!)
Wol Euler nods.
Tallin Dezno: same happens in ants populations, birds in crowds, fish, bees ... and humans
Wol Euler: there have been similar experiments done with the number of coffee beans in a huge jar, or the stock market results
Tallin Dezno: wikipedia was an example, really great. something additional to the intelligence of single beings ...
Dash Earthboy: is that why "two minds are better than one?"
Wol Euler: if you have a large random sample of people, the average is usually very close to the truth
Wol Euler: :)
oO0Oo Resident: lol... must be it Dash!
Tallin Dezno: or how to solve the problem of being a cloud ... ;-)
Dash Earthboy: i'm of a mind to agree
Wol Euler: :)
Dash Earthboy: :)
Tallin Dezno: perhaps now with the internet we also have a chance to solve also questions like : how to feed the world (!?) ... i hope ...
Dash Earthboy: Hulu sure sponsors alot of causes on feeding & watering the world
Tallin Dezno: who or what is "hulu" pls ?
Wol Euler: we certainly have a way to solve the problem that an individual has no perceived impact in the democratic process, or on things outside of our physical reach
Dash Earthboy: locally the postal carriers just had a "feed the hungry" day where they provided bags for us to fill and leave by the mailbox
Dash Earthboy: that was last Saturday
Tallin Dezno: great
Wol Euler: a friend of mine, a Canadian-Israeli journalist, wanted to go to Egypt to cover teh revolution but had no money, so she put a Paypal donations button on her website.
Wol Euler: she called that an experiment in reader-financed journalism :)
Wol Euler: within three days she'd raised US$4000, mostly in tiny amounts
Tallin Dezno: wonderful
Dash Earthboy: that's great!
Wol Euler: a few years ago, something similar happened on PostSecret just before christmas

--BELL--

Wol Euler: a struggling single mother commented on how Santa had to choose between presents and food that year
Wol Euler: somebody emailed the group to ask if they could send money to help, somebody else started a paypal acct for her
Dash Earthboy: i'm grateful for the food stamps I get that have kept hunger at bay for me
oO0Oo Resident: There is a new book by Tim Flannery, which hypothesises that humans may be in a good position, to use grup intelligence to save the world.
Dash Earthboy: i have shared the benefit as well as I've been allowed
Wol Euler nods.
oO0Oo Resident: “But the argument I made in the book is actually the Earth system has thrown up a very different solution to these problems, which is an intelligent species that can act as the global intelligence, if given half a chance,” Flannery said.
Tallin Dezno: "ok" friends - i´ll leave ... ty for the inspiring and positive talk, your company ... may all beings be happy pls (!) ...
oO0Oo Resident: http://www.straight.com/article-3882...earths-rebirth
Wol Euler: bye tallin, take care
Dash Earthboy: bye tallin
oO0Oo Resident: all beings to be happy and causes of happiness
oO0Oo Resident: Tallin :) tc ntsy
Dash Earthboy: u2
oO0Oo Resident: :) u3
Tallin Dezno clicks and leaves ... :-) - and says : ty again ! :-)
oO0Oo Resident: Tallin is atleast as appreciative as Bertram ;)
Wol Euler smiles.
oO0Oo Resident: and I'm grateful for that
Dash Earthboy: i think part of why i couldn't sleep was applying yesterday for a local part-time govt clerical job i found near my fav discount grocery
Dash Earthboy: so much excitement
oO0Oo Resident: oh.. hope you get it Dash!
Dash Earthboy: thanx...me2
Dash Earthboy: it would mean staying in my home for awhile longer
Wol Euler: good luck!
Dash Earthboy: but i had dealt with the residential facility when i worked for the local county govt 10 yrs ago
Dash Earthboy: and they had wanted me to come work for them
oO0Oo Resident: fingers crossed
Wol Euler: indeed
Dash Earthboy: hard to type w/fingers crossed tho! :)
Wol Euler: heheeh
oO0Oo Resident: I'll check back with you both on the other side of the rapture
Wol Euler: yeah :)
oO0Oo Resident: if that can be said
Dash Earthboy: or sooner? :)
Wol Euler: unless you get taken, of course.
oO0Oo Resident: what with time being... as it is...
Dash Earthboy: yah
oO0Oo Resident: tc.. ntsy both
Wol Euler: bye sam, take care
Dash Earthboy: likewise :)
Dash Earthboy: know anything about lawnmowers or 2-cycle engines?
Wol Euler: um, no :)
Wol Euler: sorry
Dash Earthboy: oh ok, np
Wol Euler: never had anything to do with gas-powered machines, except as passenger :)
Dash Earthboy: i hear ya
Wol Euler: and I'm afraid I will have to leave now, time for work.
Wol Euler: enjoy the day, dash; and good luck with the job
Dash Earthboy: hey u2 Wol! and thanks!
Wol Euler: yw :)
Wol Euler: bye for now, and bye obs!