2011.05.22 08:00 - Guardian Session: Not Excluding Any Possibilities

Present for this guardian session in which we discussed RL retreats (Vashon Island in particulr), PaB Apps, and changes in retreat planning for the future were : Agatha Macbeth : Alfred Kelberry : Aphrodite Macbain : Bleu Oleander : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Lucinda Lavender : Maxine Walden : SophiaSharon Larnia : Storm Nordwind : Sunshine Vayandar : Wol Euler : Yakuzza Lethecus : iwandertoo Resident : stevenaia Michinaga

(Eliza posted this session, and softened early "hello"s since there were so many)

Eliza Madrigal: Hola Amigas
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Liz, Aphro :)
Eliza Madrigal: (brb, would like to get coffee and dig up emails from this week)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): I'm here now (kind of)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yep
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hi Wol :)), Max
Wol Euler: hello everyone
Wol Euler waits for rezzings
Maxine Walden: hi, Agatha, Wol
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): And Bleu :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol and Maxine and Bleu
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi all :)
Storm Nordwind: Hi :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you all this morning
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Or afternoon...
Maxine Walden: hi, Storm
Wol Euler: or almost evening
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Shaz :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yaku!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi SophiaSharon :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Storm
Wol Euler: hello yaku, sharon
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello steve
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey everyone
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): and Eos
stevenaia Michinaga: hi all
Wol Euler: hello eos, steve
Eliza Madrigal: wow, we're pouring in!
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Steve, Eos :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hi sue
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Susan :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Great turnout!
Maxine Walden: :) seems so, Eliza, pouring in
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Susan
Eliza Madrigal: delightful
Eliza Madrigal: And Yakuzza :D
Wol Euler: hello susan
Bleu (bleu.oleander): must be giving out donuts
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya susan
SophiaSharon Larnia: now that im here afk for a few mins
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): waves
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Mm, donuts
Eos Amaterasu: hi AVs
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): - Hmmmm Dougnuts! -
Eliza Madrigal: hehe, Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stevenaia and Eos :)
Eliza Madrigal: Or, maybe we're all interested in discussing retreats :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Snap
Bleu (bleu.oleander): that too :)

Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Ok, let's discuss retreats :)
Green Tea whispers: Enjoy your tea

Aphrodite Macbain: yes please
Eliza Madrigal: OK! Shall we start with the Vashon Island retreat? So happy that will take place Maxine, thank you
Aphrodite Macbain: I am glad the Seattle one is a "go"
Wol Euler nods.
Maxine Walden: :)
Wol Euler: please
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): There will only be one a year from now on then?

Maxine Walden: Shall I say a few things about it?
Eliza Madrigal: yes please
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Please Max
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello again Alf
boxy (alfred.kelberry): aga girl :)
stevenaia Michinaga: waves to boxy
boxy (alfred.kelberry): hi :)
Eliza Madrigal: (the we'll talk about the overall retreats pictures) Hi ALf, Maxine is going to say a bit about Vashon Island now
Aphrodite Macbain: hey Boxy
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): waves
Eos Amaterasu: ~~
boxy's nose: Wol Euler touches me gently
Eliza Madrigal: *then
Bleu (bleu.oleander): box man :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
boxy's nose: Bleu touches me gently
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :P
boxy's nose: Aggers touches me persistently
Aphrodite Macbain: hehe Aggers
boxy's nose: SophiaSharon Larnia touches me gently

            Maxine describes he upcoming retreat, and Boxy enters with his playful nose...

Maxine Walden: OK, as I wrote on email, after some pondering about whether to postpone the Vashon Island (near Seattle) retreat, whether to postpone it for a year, I decided, for a number of reasons to hold it this September as first planned, Sept 25-Oct 1.

boxy's nose: Yaku touches me playfully
boxy (alfred.kelberry): *adams says hi* :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) waves to Adams
boxy's nose: Aphrodite Macbain touches me playfully
Eliza Madrigal: The setting sounds magical Maxine
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Luci
boxy (alfred.kelberry): maxine, good to know :)
boxy's nose: Aggers touches me persistently
boxy (alfred.kelberry): it would be a shame to cancel such a lovely location
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes Max
boxy's nose: stevenaia Michinaga touches me playfully
Aphrodite Macbain: I couldn't quite figure out how much it will cost. I suppose it depends on the number of people signing up
Eliza Madrigal: (Hi Luci, we're discussing retreats, and specifically Vashon Island at the moment, hearing from Maxine))
boxy (alfred.kelberry): *is touched* :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Lucinda Lavender: wonderful
Maxine Walden: Yes, as many know Piet and I believe Eos will not be able to attend the Vashon retreat, so the tone of the retreat, in their absence may be a bit different.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): maxine, different is good
boxy (alfred.kelberry): new experience :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Sun
Aphrodite Macbain: it will be new to me

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sun :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hey Sun
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): hi all ;)
Aphrodite Macbain: hi sun
boxy (alfred.kelberry): zulu girl :)
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ;)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): *notices storm sat closer to him* :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Calm down Boxy :)
Maxine Walden: But I had been thinking that there are many ways to explore the nature of reality, that each of us has our own specific interests and approaches, all of which are informing, enriching.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
Aphrodite Macbain: yes maxine
Eos Amaterasu: Here be swamps, Sun
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): hehe
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): maxine, maybe it could be more dream-like with your presence :)
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): not easy but I won't give up - to sit close to Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: :))) ((Sun)))
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ((Liz))
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Ah, who wouldn't? :)
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ;))
Maxine Walden: I have thought that we might come together appreciating our differences; I have asked Storm if he would co-facilitate the retreat with me; he and I have differences, and great mutual respect :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Eliza Madrigal: (((Ag))))
Aphrodite Macbain: wonderful
Aggers (agatha.macbeth) grins
Eliza Madrigal: ah, nice!
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): (((LIz)))
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i concur, maxine :)
Maxine Walden: And that with our own views, experiences, passions that we might offer a kind of container for all of our different explorations
Wol Euler nods.
Maxine Walden: Now Storm and I have not had a full chance to discuss this, but these are my first thoughts.
Lucinda Lavender: luci listens:)
Maxine Walden: Storm, would you like to share some of your initial thoughts?
Aphrodite Macbain listens and swallows
Storm Nordwind: We come from a diversity of backgrounds and have some common interests. So my only intitial thought so far is enjoy that richness that we have when we come together, taking care not to have too much fragmentation. So a richness based from diversity and a common thread is how I see it
Eos Amaterasu pictures the eye of a needle
Aphrodite Macbain: How will that richness be broaught out?
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Wol Euler: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: brought
Storm Nordwind is greatly honored by Maxine's suggestion to work with her on this
Eliza Madrigal: it is a wonderful idea
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ;)
Eliza Madrigal: it is really nice in general to have people at ends of the boat it seems :)
Aphrodite Macbain considers the metaphor
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Stops it capsizing Max :p
Eos Amaterasu: there's a lighthouse to keep it on track
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Maxine Walden: Lovely images....and yes, Lighthouse Keepers' quarters...
boxy (alfred.kelberry): storm, that sounds a lot like pab :)
Eos Amaterasu: being beaming light
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Maxine Walden: Imagine Storm and I, and others as well, may be sharing, shaping our ideas as to how best to address, contain, encourage, ...and not overly fragment...

Maxine Walden: beacons of light
Aphrodite Macbain is dazzled
Aphrodite Macbain too

Eos Amaterasu noticed that there are no attendee names listed at
http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Retreats/2011-09_Seattle_USA
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Dazzled
Maxine Walden: (sorry a non sequitor just then...got dazzled myself by the metaphors)
Aphrodite Macbain blinks at Aggers

boxy (alfred.kelberry): can you tell more on fragmentation?

Maxine Walden: right, Eos, I was not sure whether those who signed up previously would wish to remain on the list, so decided to begin a new list as it were

Aggers (agatha.macbeth) thinks Aph looks like Stevie Nicks
SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
Eos Amaterasu: good idea, Maxine!

Eliza Madrigal: well, if my in-head calculations are correct, we have :
Aph, Max, Storm, Susan (?), Bleu (?), Me (?), Wol (?)

Maxine Walden: which is now open to receive new interest

Aggers (agatha.macbeth): wb Bleu
Aphrodite Macbain wonders who Stevie is
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Bleu
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): wb Bleu ;)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): thx :)
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Eliza Madrigal: then also Cal (?) and possibly visiting Luci?
Wol Euler nods. Still only a ? alas, it'll depend on work and I just don'T know that yet
Aphrodite Macbain: that would be cool
Eliza Madrigal: and maybe Riddle :))

Storm Nordwind believes we have a maximum of 9 places

Eliza Madrigal: so lots of possibilities
Maxine Walden: Ah, a longer list than I had thought, Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: yes :) many keeping a light on

Maxine Walden: yes, we do have a max of 9, which is the one sad thing....but the quarters would seem to hold only that number, given the needs for privacy
Wol Euler: put me down as "possible filler" then, and please do bump me if somebody else definitely wishes to attend
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): (I am a definite)
Eliza Madrigal: I think all of us who are "?" get bumped for definites
Wol Euler: good
Eos Amaterasu: There's only 3 definites - oh, make that 4
Eliza Madrigal: hehe

Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): may we talk about "scholarships/sponsoring"?
Eliza Madrigal: Great, Susan :))
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): how does this work if one wishes to do this?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Maxine Walden: so the definites at this time are Storm, me, and who else?
Aphrodite Macbain: and does the price go down if there are more people attending?
Aphrodite Macbain: me
Eos Amaterasu: and Susan
Maxine Walden: oh, yes, Susan
Aphrodite Macbain: yayy
boxy's nose: Aggers touches me persistently

Maxine Walden: Aph, yes, the price will go down a bit. The main costs are rental of the quarters, and the caterer. We are going to cut some costs by doing our own breakfasts and I will make a few nice desserts ahead of time...

Eliza Madrigal: Oh, sweet :)
Maxine Walden: :) just to sweeten our evenings
Aphrodite Macbain: very sweet!
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Susan, it seems we would create that (a scholarship-specific avenue for donations) , as it hasn't existed (no precedent) until now ...
Eliza Madrigal: Storm, Eos? Maybe you could comment?
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): ok...pls let me know
Storm Nordwind is happy to find flights to Seattle are just $230 from Denver :))

Aphrodite Macbain: normally it's been taken out of another pot?
Eos Amaterasu: Well, we have had some money that's been earmarked for retreat scholarships
Eliza Madrigal: yes seattle flights are amazing from miami too somehow
Eos Amaterasu: to the extent that's it's not being used for ongoing expenses
Eos Amaterasu: which is now less given that more AV's are making monthly donations
Aphrodite Macbain: less given?
Eos Amaterasu: less, given that...
Aphrodite Macbain: ah
 

Eliza Madrigal: Are there other question to ask about he Vashon Island retreat?
Aphrodite Macbain: Should we put out a reminder to all Guardians about the retreat taking place
Aphrodite Macbain: there
Eliza Madrigal: Or shall we move on to 'retreats in general' and Agatha's question

Eos Amaterasu: If a donation is "earmarked" for retreat scholarships, the bookkeeper can track it, and track whether that much is spent on retreat support
Eos Amaterasu: (to answer Susan's Q)
Eos Amaterasu: Suzie's Q
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): thank you
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): lol
Aphrodite Macbain: suzy-Q :-)
boxy's nose: Aphrodite Macbain touches me lovingly

Eos Amaterasu: A reminder that Nova Scotia retreat is coming right up....
Eos Amaterasu: July 17-23

Eliza Madrigal: very soon :))
Aphrodite Macbain: do you have a good registration Eos?
Eos Amaterasu: We have six so far
Eos Amaterasu: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Retreats/2011-07_Windhorse_Farm%2c_NS
 

Eos Amaterasu: In general, re retreats, part of it is rethinking how we do PaB type presence in RL
Eos Amaterasu: 4 weeks off per year was a bit much for me, and even for Pema
Aphrodite Macbain: are they normally a week long?
Eos Amaterasu: first one was I think 3 days, is that right?
Eos Amaterasu: rest were 5 days
Eos Amaterasu: but it would be nice to experiment with other, shorter forms

Aphrodite Macbain: could they be a little shorter? would that be a problem?
Lucinda Lavender: I am interested in doing the three day Idea as well...
Eos Amaterasu: especially were two or more AVs could get together in RL
Eos Amaterasu: like Pema did with 3 europeans in Cologne a while back

Eliza Madrigal: there were 'gatherings' a few times early on, which were shorter... then the first 'big' retreat was Cali, 5 days I think yes
Aphrodite Macbain: The one in Seattle is 7 days, no?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): wb x 2 Bleu :)

Eos Amaterasu: I think Maxine's initiative with Seattle reatreat is great: take advantage of energy and opportunity
Eos Amaterasu: Seattle is 5 full days

Bleu (bleu.oleander): having tech difficulties today :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): We noticed :p
Maxine Walden: Seattle: begins Sunday evening dinner and ends with Sat breakfast so 5 'plus' days
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): wb no2 Bleu ;)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Bleu, wb
Eliza Madrigal: yes, agree Eos
Aphrodite Macbain: ah, with Sept 25 and Oct 1 being days of travel?
Maxine Walden: yes, Aph
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Making an entrance, and entrance, and entrance... @ Bleu
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :P
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Bleu (bleu.oleander): should have changed my outfit each time :P

Eos Amaterasu: NS retreat has similar schedule: arrive Sunday night, leave next Saturday morning

Aggers (agatha.macbeth) grins
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): true Bleu ;)
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Lucinda Lavender: Is Is there any way for me to attend Sunday to Wed night I was wondering...
Aphrodite Macbain: ok so the retreat wouldn't officially start
Aphrodite Macbain: till the next day

Eos Amaterasu: the pub as a a place to meet also seems to be perking up
Eliza Madrigal: in the same way that PaB has gone 'outside of sessions' a bit this year, with activities, it seems rereats might do similar...
Aphrodite Macbain: I hope so Luci
Eos Amaterasu: officially starts Sunday evening with dinner, Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: kk

Maxine Walden: Luci, let's talk about that. Don't want to exclude any possibilites at this time. :)
Lucinda Lavender: I was thinking I could sleep on a floor or something:)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Maxine Walden: :)
Eos Amaterasu: so both SL 5 bells pub and whatever RL pub works are options for short meetings

Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bring a matress Luci
Eliza Madrigal: camping under the stars.... beneath a window, to hear what's going on, hahah
Lucinda Lavender: thinking of that!
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Or a sleeping bag
Maxine Walden: :))
Eliza Madrigal: Aph will sneak you food
SophiaSharon Larnia has drug an airmattress o a plane, but have a feeling that wouldnt be necessary
boxy (alfred.kelberry): sleeping bags retreat out in the wild - that would be nice
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Wow
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Sharon, true
Aphrodite Macbain: I'll hand it to you thru the window

Eos Amaterasu: re partial attendance, it works better to start with the group and leave early, than to join in late after things are underway
Lucinda Lavender: I would be happy to do that
Eliza Madrigal: good point Eos
SophiaSharon Larnia: im sure they have those roll out beds

Maxine Walden: agree, Eos, that would work best at the Seattle retreat as well

Aphrodite Macbain: I think they do, or a sofa bed
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Maxine Walden: think there are roll aways available

Eliza Madrigal: Luci doesn't need to fly, thankfully, so an airbed would be OK
Eos Amaterasu: or a lifeboat
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Maxine Walden: Luci just needs to ride a ferry
Lucinda Lavender: and I can bring eggs:)
Eliza Madrigal: there ya go!
SophiaSharon Larnia: cool!
Aphrodite Macbain: she can fly on her airbed
Maxine Walden: :))
Eliza Madrigal pictures lifeboat with Luci and chickens....
Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha

Maxine Walden: can't you see it now!? Luci, airbed, chickens, crossing the ferry lanes...

Aphrodite Macbain: why did the chicken cross the ferry lane?

Aggers (agatha.macbeth): erk
SophiaSharon Larnia: hey I think i saw something like that before
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ;)
Eliza Madrigal: haha, well I think if that doesn't get as many as can make it to seattle, not much will

Lucinda Lavender: and I will just bring my delight in attending:)

Eliza Madrigal giggles
Maxine Walden: :))
Eliza Madrigal: yes, nice Luci
Lucinda Lavender: and I can pay as well
Maxine Walden: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: maybe you can sing
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: can bring multiple guitars
SophiaSharon Larnia: sing for hots and a cot
Maxine Walden: :))
Eliza Madrigal: ooohhh
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Good grief
Eos Amaterasu: hots?
Lucinda Lavender: and crayons
Bleu (bleu.oleander): crayons?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Colds?

Maxine Walden: would be great to have music in the evening, on the beach, with Mt Rainier listening in
Eliza Madrigal: mmmmm
Eos Amaterasu: Mt Rainier sounds perfect for Storm
Lucinda Lavender: can imagine drawing the mountain
SophiaSharon Larnia: * 3 hots and a cot
stevenaia Michinaga: there was much doodling the 1st retreat
Aphrodite Macbain: wot's a hots?
Storm Nordwind: Guitars sound perfect for me too :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: a meal
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
Eos Amaterasu: hots? SophiaSharon
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Sounds good
Eliza Madrigal: oh, yes I love those drawings Stevenaia
Aphrodite Macbain: hot meal -gotcha
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, I think that would be fun to do in sl, somehow Steve
Eliza Madrigal: would you have the link to those?

Eliza Madrigal: and Eos, did you want to say something about the apps you brought up in email, also?
Aphrodite Macbain wonders wheher boxy is bored

SophiaSharon Larnia: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Retreats/Past_retreats/2008/2008-10_Princeton%2c_NJ%2c_USA at the bottom
 

Eos Amaterasu: Idea of apps is as a (cool) way to connect people in RL
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Sharon!
boxy (alfred.kelberry): climbing :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): I can never tell if he's sitting or standing
Eliza Madrigal: puppies by nature, can't seem to sit still unless they are sleeping
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)

Eos Amaterasu: Really most simple idea: I'm about to do a 9 sec; I click a button; I see who else is about to do that; after the 15 minute boundary passes, I see who was in a droplet at that time

stevenaia Michinaga: thanks SSL, faster than I
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): That explains it then
Eos Amaterasu: next 15 minute boundary, repeat
Aphrodite Macbain: lovely drawings

Eos Amaterasu: You can see how that could get more elaborate

Eliza Madrigal: it is like a smile across the miles, Eos, or a nod?
Eliza Madrigal: a bow :)

Eos Amaterasu: such as showing _where_ people are
Eos Amaterasu: or if they are sitting around a café table together
Eos Amaterasu: with maybe several such tables
Eos Amaterasu: or in RL cafe and in SL pub

SophiaSharon Larnia: where is the app?

Eos Amaterasu: and the app could offer choice of framings for upcoming 9 secs
Eos Amaterasu: etc etc (massive feature creeep)
Eos Amaterasu: There's a lot of tech and graphic and artistic talent here

Eliza Madrigal: I love the idea
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes Eos
boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, as me and riddle have similar ideas for our apps, i think we should form a team :)
Eos Amaterasu: so it would make a great group project, art of being in rl and in sl perhaps
Eos Amaterasu: exactly!
Eos Amaterasu: yes

Bleu (bleu.oleander): app team
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
Eos Amaterasu: PaBapp
Storm Nordwind: zapp team
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
Wol Euler wakes with a start and looks around
Bleu (bleu.oleander): Wol got zapped
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: bzzzz
Wol Euler: by my mother, on the phone
Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha
Eos Amaterasu: when we talked that a while ago, therte were some privacy issues that came up
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh?
Eliza Madrigal: Oh?
Eos Amaterasu: plus issues of RL, and SL, identity
boxy (alfred.kelberry): there's already a site name for this initiative - apps.playasbeing.org :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: how so Eos?
boxy (alfred.kelberry): say hi, woly :)
boxy's nose: Aggers touches me persistently
Eos Amaterasu: but it's not live, yes?
boxy's nose: Wol Euler touches me playfully
boxy (alfred.kelberry): ah, no, eos :)
Eos Amaterasu: There may be real issues re disclosing real name of a person and where they are at what exact time
Eos Amaterasu: we have to be aware of that
Wol Euler nods.
SophiaSharon Larnia: got message "Oops! Internet Explorer could not find apps.playasbeing.org"
Wol Euler: where does that info come from?
SophiaSharon Larnia: why rl name?
boxy (alfred.kelberry): we'll have to discuss how to set it up
Wol Euler: exadtly
Eliza Madrigal: hmm
Eos Amaterasu: for example, the app could easily have geo info
Bleu (bleu.oleander): not even my husband has that much info hehe
Eliza Madrigal: hahahaha
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol Bleu
Eos Amaterasu: but the NSA does
Wol Euler: I would strongly hope that you would not be linking to our Facebook IDs, or anything like that
SophiaSharon Larnia: not even our sl fb id?
Eos Amaterasu: or even not necessarily to SL ids
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh
Aphrodite Macbain: just our egos
Wol Euler: right :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hm, linking to nowhere
boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, i would not go beyond pab identities with this
Wol Euler: linking to a name that you give yourself
Eliza Madrigal: all over the world
SophiaSharon Larnia: great. got to think of yet another name lol

Eos Amaterasu: well, this is also something for people in RL who are not in SL....

Eliza Madrigal: hahah Sharon
SophiaSharon Larnia: jk
Eliza Madrigal: :)) yes, I like that element Eos
boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, yes, but they all have sl accounts
Eos Amaterasu: it opens new opportunities
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: pab out of the virtual box
SophiaSharon Larnia: it sounds great and id like to try it
Eos Amaterasu: ie, PaB is not exclusively an SL activity....
Eliza Madrigal: and yet not excluding virtuality

Wol Euler: there is a fairly well.established standard now in social media, that you choose a username for yourself, which is whatever you want, and then OPTIONALLY associate a RL id with it

Eos Amaterasu: so some PaBers may not be in SL.....
Eos Amaterasu: exactly right, Wol!

Wol Euler: RL or SL in our case

boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, it's not, but everyone who's a mamber of pab has an sl account
Wol Euler: so they would OPTIONALLY use their RL info
boxy (alfred.kelberry): yes, woly
boxy's nose: Wol Euler touches me gently
Eos Amaterasu: hmm, boxy, that's what I'm saying, that may be de facto true now, but re RL play as being, it doesn't have to be
Eliza Madrigal: yes, leave room
Wol Euler nods.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, i'm talking about user names :)
Eos Amaterasu: so perhaps someone could choose either their SL alt, or their RL name, or another alias
Eos Amaterasu: user names on the wiki?
Wol Euler: whatever they want :)
Eos Amaterasu: anyway, these are the kinds of issues that could and do come up
Aphrodite Macbain: their choice
boxy (alfred.kelberry): this has to be discussion in a more orderly fashion :)
Wol Euler: and have a profile in which they could optionally identify themselves in additional ways
Eos Amaterasu: but there could be multiple apps
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i'm getting lost :)

Eliza Madrigal: :) Yes I look forward to playing with the possibilities as they show up
stevenaia Michinaga: looks at boxy

Eos Amaterasu: so apps.playasbeing.org can be home base for this project, should we choose to accept it....

boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, yes, and how we host them is a big question
Eos Amaterasu: yes

Eos Amaterasu: we'll have to come up with a name for the group
Eos Amaterasu: and t-shirts
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Wol Euler: merchandising!
Bleu (bleu.oleander): t-shirts?
stevenaia Michinaga whispers: posters!
Eliza Madrigal: bumper stickers....
boxy (alfred.kelberry): actually, apps is for any pab-related apps out there :)
Aphrodite Macbain: and balloons
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh my
Wol Euler: plush toys
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): :)
Eliza Madrigal: strange pins that people can identify, worn on hats
Eos Amaterasu: snowglobes
stevenaia Michinaga: senses a party about to happen
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
Aphrodite Macbain giggles
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): can i join the group :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: special handshake too goodness
Eos Amaterasu: for sure, Yaku
Bleu (bleu.oleander): feels another crash coming on :)
Eliza Madrigal: "hey, so I see you drop, eh?"
Lucinda Lavender: Luci would wear the teashirt

Wol Euler: we could have a competition to design a plush toy of Being :)

Eos Amaterasu: oh oh
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Uh oh
SophiaSharon Larnia: aww Bleu
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): time for a new entrance Bleu?
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ;)))
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha
Eos Amaterasu: new outfit might help
Storm Nordwind: viewer 2 on a Mac - poor Bleu!
Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Oww
Eliza Madrigal: SL doesn't recognize you today
stevenaia Michinaga: try Phoenix
Aphrodite Macbain: time for me to exit
Bleu (bleu.oleander): my cable not my MAC :P
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): byebyee all time to go to a class ... enjoy your sunday
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Aph
Wol Euler: bye aph, take care
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Yes, must get going as well
Eos Amaterasu: I could set up a google group for the 9 secs PaB app dev group?
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Sun
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! everyone
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Phoenix in Phoenix
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye everyone :)
Wol Euler: bye sun
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): byebyeeee
Eos Amaterasu: and make an announcement to the whole group?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth) waves to those going
Eliza Madrigal: sounds good Eos
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): waves
Eos Amaterasu: ~~, sun, bleu
Lucinda Lavender: bye sun, bleu
Maxine Walden: got to go, Friends.
Eliza Madrigal lingers to get line of final decision re group
Eos Amaterasu: seeems like we have boxy, yaku, riddle, eos to start with.....
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Maxine, thanks SO much
Maxine Walden: bye for now. See you all soon
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Maxine!
Wol Euler: bye maxine
Eos Amaterasu: and anyone else - we need the creative graphics, sounds, design etc as well as the techy
Lucinda Lavender: bye maxine
Eliza Madrigal: hm, maybe people could think of others who may suit the project
Eos Amaterasu: Bye all, thnx, must also depart
Wol Euler: bye eos, take care
SophiaSharon Larnia: i volunteer to test it :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Eos :)
Eos Amaterasu: hopefully they'll come out of the woodwork
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): waves
Eliza Madrigal: yes I'll volunteer with Sharon
Eliza Madrigal: tasters
stevenaia Michinaga: bye susan
SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
Eos Amaterasu: guinea pigs
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Lucinda Lavender: bye susan
SophiaSharon Larnia: i hope its compatible with an iphone!
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Are not pigs and don't come from Guinea :p
SophiaSharon Larnia: wouldnt that be cool
Wol Euler: bye susan, bye eliza
Eliza Madrigal: would be fantastic, as long as one didn't 'have' to have an iphone
boxy (alfred.kelberry): agreed, aga
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): :)
Eliza Madrigal: bye for now, thanks everyone
SophiaSharon Larnia: right Eliza
stevenaia Michinaga: bye all