2011.06.27 01:00 - The presence of appearance

The Guardian for this meeting was Wester Kiranov. The comments are by Wester Kiranov.

I was joined in the pavillion by FcSeeker Resident, MaryMagdeleine Shilling and Moon Fargis. We mainly talked about the way people and things look in SL.

FcSeeker Resident: Hello Wester
Wester Kiranov: hello fcseeker
--BELL--
Wester Kiranov: i don't think we have met before, but I suppose you have been here before?
FcSeeker Resident: smiles
FcSeeker Resident: I've been called even as the pet of PaB :)
FcSeeker Resident: I've attended for a while to these meetings
Wester Kiranov: you wouldn't have your own cushion if you hadn't, i suppose
FcSeeker Resident: that could be so yes
FcSeeker Resident: dont know for sure because I got it already in the second coming here
FcSeeker Resident: Bruce is special with his will to help all I think
Wester Kiranov: ok
FcSeeker Resident: do you also meditate almost all the time ?
Wester Kiranov: i actually find it quite hard to keep up a good meditation discipline. i have to keep reminding myself
FcSeeker Resident: are you happy ?
Wester Kiranov: reasonably so. are you?
--BELL--
FcSeeker Resident: much of the time I'de say
FcSeeker Resident: so...why you feel need to remind yourself if I may ask
Wester Kiranov: (shhh)
FcSeeker Resident: please forgive me
Wester Kiranov: i do like these silent periods, so i try to respect them
FcSeeker Resident: this 90 sec has rarely noticed in the meetings I've attended
Wester Kiranov: why do i need to remind myself of meditating? because otherwise everything else gets in the way
FcSeeker Resident: aha
Wester Kiranov: actually, for me the most important thing about meditation is finding that sense of space, of openness
FcSeeker Resident: I understand well m'lady
FcSeeker Resident: I meditate almost all of the time I'de express
FcSeeker Resident: the world has always been and is chaos
FcSeeker Resident: the more the more you see around
FcSeeker Resident: so we need to find our own space and peace of mind by ourself
Wester Kiranov: hi marymagdeleine
Wester Kiranov: have you been here before?
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Hi Wester
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: yes, I have
FcSeeker Resident: Hello MaryMagdeleine
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Hi FC
Wester Kiranov: have a seat
FcSeeker Resident: do you know that you are completely nude ?
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Fc, yes, I know that
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: thank you
FcSeeker Resident: interesting
FcSeeker Resident: may I approach you with the thing there is in my mind because of something that happened in the meeting here that I attended last time ?
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Fc, sure
Wester Kiranov: tell us please, fc
FcSeeker Resident: I got the courrage to ask you MaryMagdeleine because of your special behvier concerning clothing
FcSeeker Resident: as that happened that one of the persons present (as far as I understood) felt been hurted for what somebody said
FcSeeker Resident: so I have thought much that is it the way here that one must handle with all minds present before speak
FcSeeker Resident: in order not to hurt anybody even it's not intention
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: I agree, we should always think before we say things that could hurt others
FcSeeker Resident: I dont mind you to be nude, but I can 'see' many people I've met here that would feel hurted for that...
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: oh, you mean people would be offended by my nudity
FcSeeker Resident: I understand that for sure to be the base, but is it possible ...
FcSeeker Resident: that I mean yes
--BELL--
FcSeeker Resident: have you got some questionings for that here caused by somebody's felt hurted for that ?
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Well, I was tp'd by a friend yesterday to a coffee house and it upset people that I was nude, so i left; I won't go back
FcSeeker Resident: so I understand that you was hurted yourself ???
FcSeeker Resident: by the friend who didn't give the warning about what kind of people there was I mean
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: i nearly left here and didn't come back as the first time I was tp'd here, I ended up in the fountain, but couldn't move, as I was on my phone; people were upset with me being nude in the fountain
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Well, it was embarassing, but i wasn't hurt by it.
FcSeeker Resident: aha
FcSeeker Resident: to me to get embarassing is to be hurted
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: yeah, i guess it is; it was uncomforable.
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: But people here at PaB have grown to accept it; and other places I go, people don't even, for the most part, even bring it up.
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: 'Oh, that's just Mary; she's naked.'
FcSeeker Resident: o.k.
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: ok, i clicked the wwrong button and accidentally blocked Wester; i'm on a new viewer
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: There, go him back
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: That was wierd, the name tag was still here, you weren't muted, but you vanished
Wester Kiranov: i am actually amazed that there is so much conventionality in the way people look in SL. Sure, they may dress up elaborately or change into animals, but there asre so little avs that go naked, or anything like that. of course there are exceptions, but most keep within very tight bounds
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: yeah, I'm surprised at that too, Wester.
Wester Kiranov: i myself can't be bothered to really change my looks, so i shouldn't talk really ;)
FcSeeker Resident: the LL rules says that one may be nude only in certain areas I've been teached
Wester Kiranov: but i have been thinking about things like the people in the sacred mirrors http://www.sacredmirrors.org
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: And you can tell people who are immersives by their reactions to nudity. They really think yoiu're nude and you really feel nude
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: That's right, Fc, PG areas you can't be nude in
Wester Kiranov: and no people are old, or fat, or handicapped
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Actually Wester, i'v met old, fat and handicapped people here
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: One woman I know goes nude with a fat avi
FcSeeker Resident: ah yes; I just was surprised because I am aware of the common reaction of people when somebody is nude and comparing to that meeting in which I got surprised of one person to feel hurted by the reason I dont know
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: One man I know is fat and balding, just like inRL
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: One person got hurted by people's reactions to being nude?
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Or by someone being nude?
FcSeeker Resident: ah no
FcSeeker Resident: I'm not sure what made her to feel so
FcSeeker Resident: but she pointed out that somebody had said something that hurted her
FcSeeker Resident: nobody else seemed to understand ...
--BELL--
Moon Fargis: greetings everyone
Wester Kiranov: hello moon
Moon Fargis: hmm seems my inventory has been eaten up again
Moon Fargis: brb :)
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Well, I'm not sure what she was getting at.
Moon Fargis: re
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Hi Moon
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Fc was saying that a nude woman was here at a meeting and was hurt by people's reactions to her nudity, and since I'm nude, he wanted my opinion about it.

All of a sudden we are sitting in a very flowery garden.

Wester Kiranov: nice - now we can play hide and seek ;)
Moon Fargis: :)
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: yeah, i'm nicely covered.
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: It tickles though. lol
Moon Fargis: lol
Moon Fargis: eh i forgot again how to switch from the tatami to grass
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Well, this is fine
Wester Kiranov: can the last person to leave please remove the garden ;)
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Wester, lol
Moon Fargis: ah no problem :)
Moon Fargis: wb fc
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: wb, FC
FcSeeker Resident: thank you
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: In your absence, Mooncovered me with tatami, so I'm no longer nude
FcSeeker Resident: sorry I crashed
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: lol
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: We noticed, Fc
Moon Fargis: how is everyone ?
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: I'm good, Moon
FcSeeker Resident: still listening
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: How 'bout you?
Moon Fargis: quiet ok
Moon Fargis: just found some time to have a look at pab again :)
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: And turn it into a garden. :)
Moon Fargis: like to mess around here :)
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: I can see that
Moon Fargis: hmm but i reminded the flowers more "covering"
Moon Fargis: lets see maybe this is the lite version
Moon Fargis: ah still my items are missing in my inventory
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Well, I'd love to stay and see what you end up doing, and it is lovely, but it's past time for me to log.
Moon Fargis: ok:)
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Moon
Wester Kiranov: bye mary
FcSeeker Resident: sorry I didn't greet
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: bye Wester
Moon Fargis: have a nice day
FcSeeker Resident: buy Mary
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Nice meeting you
Wester Kiranov: the same here
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: ou too Moon.
MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Buy Fc
FcSeeker Resident: was desturbed by my RL
FcSeeker Resident: ah
FcSeeker Resident: bye Wester
--BELL--

Now the pavillion is covered in snow and ice.

Moon Fargis: happy christmas :)
FcSeeker Resident: lol
Moon Fargis: but yes seems myo ther gardens didnt loaded sadly
FcSeeker Resident: we just had the feast here in my RL
FcSeeker Resident: sorry Wester; I thought you was to go also
FcSeeker Resident: to Moon
Wester Kiranov: i just said goodbye to mary because she went. but i will probably not stay very much longer
Moon Fargis: getting to cold ?:)
Moon Fargis: ah fc crashes much
Wester Kiranov: you do have a nice set of gardens
Moon Fargis: yes spend much time here past years
Moon Fargis: but seems now my RL cals
Wester Kiranov: nice talking to you then
Moon Fargis: ;) have a great day
FcSeeker Resident: so I understand that the meeting is ower came back just to say bye
FcSeeker Resident: was nice to met you Wester
Wester Kiranov: i suppose so
Wester Kiranov: bye fc, see you around
FcSeeker Resident: bye