2011.09.18 08:00 - Guardian Session: Drops and Supports

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    Present at this week's Guardian Session were: Aphrodite Macbain : Adams Rubble : Archmage Atlantis : Bruce Mowbray : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : FcSeeker Resident : Jan Qualia : Lucinda Lavender : Storm Nordwind : Xirana Oximoxi : iwandertoo Resident

    Eliza Madrigal: Hiya Bruce
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hiya, Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: whaaah, no Agatha... funny how we get used to people being in a certain spot in a certain way
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: How are you Bruce?
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I'm good, thanks. Welcome, Fc!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi FcS! :) Welcome to the Guardians session
    FcSeeker: thank you <3
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams :)
    Eliza Madrigal: brb, I'm going to see if I can find the idea for the Peace Day notecard that 0 sent...
    Jan Qualia: Hi Xirana:)
    FcSeeker: Hello Jan
    FcSeeker: Hello Eos
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :) Hi Jan :)
    Jan Qualia: Hi all
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Adams, Jan, Bruce, Eliza, Fc
    Adams Rubble: Hello evryone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I found the notecard template for peace day... one sec and I'll make a notecard and hand that out
    FcSeeker: Hello Bruce
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Firestorm
    FcSeeker: rehi Adams Susan Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm :)
    FcSeeker: Hello Storm
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, Eos, Adams, Storm, Jan, Firestorm, Susan.
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): waves
    Eos Amaterasu: !~!~!~!
    Eos Amaterasu: HI iwanertoo
    Eos Amaterasu: whups!
    Jan Qualia: ty Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Susan :)
    Eliza Madrigal: OK... have just given out the suggested Peace Day notecard...
     

    Here it the template as written by oO0Oo (Please copy and make a notecard if you were not at the guardian session to receive one):
     

    Welcome to Play as Being.

    Just for today, I encourage you to be here in a slightly different way than usual, that is, sitting in silence (no chat).

    On this United Nations designated International Day of Peace (September 21), some of us have decided to explore a sort of personal, and collective "truce" during the regularly scheduled Play as Being session times, by simply sitting, and being present together.

    For information on Play as Being, and what normally happens here,  please have a look at this website/wiki:
    http://wiki.playasbeing.org/

     

    Eos Amaterasu: ty, Eliza - mum's the word
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: This is just for the day... so should be deleted afterward to avoid later confusion
    Eliza Madrigal: no one raised objections in the email group when it was sent by 0, so am assuming it is fine?
    FcSeeker: <3
    Eliza Madrigal: Aside from that, I think there is just the matter of posting signs at the pavilion, and Wed guardians being ready to IM visitors
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Looks fine to moi.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) thanks
    FcSeeker: rehi Arch
    Eos Amaterasu: You mean to have Wednesday the 21st be a silent day at sessions: fine by me!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Arch... let me give you the notecard for visitors, for Wednesday
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, Arch.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes this is what's planned Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Arch
    Eliza Madrigal: Aphrodite has posted the poem so far, at the pavilon
    Eliza Madrigal: it is really lovely
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, Xir.
    FcSeeker: rehi Xirana
     

    Eliza Madrigal: if anyone has not sent two lines to contribute (to Aphrodite), please do so! :)
     

    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello everyone:)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Xi
    Storm Nordwind: Hi!
    Eliza Madrigal: (that note's just for peace day on Wed Xirana)
    Eliza Madrigal: Fefonz is a host on Wed, so am not sure if he knows about this... would have to keep up with emails...
    Eliza Madrigal: I'll send him a personal email today (just realizing)
    Arch (archmage.atlantis): it is wednes day and I am a visitor who requres a card, ty Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: though I think Aphrodite volunteered to host at 1pm
    Eliza Madrigal: OK... that seems to be it with regard to prep for Peace Day :)
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ty Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Storm would you like to say something regarding Art as Being?
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): only one more thing. . .
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh...sorry
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): if anyone wishes to have one of the shirts (Peace Dove), just let me know.
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): (done)
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Bruce :)
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yw

    Storm Nordwind: So offerings for the new Art as Being exhibition are being accepted
    Storm Nordwind: Only two installed so far (as of yesterday)
    Storm Nordwind: There are two weeks left to put in your entry!
    Storm Nordwind: We've had fabulous contributions in the past
    Storm Nordwind: Though I have to say, most appeared in the day before the deadline! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Storm Nordwind: It would be really good to get them in early this time, if only because a bunch of us will be on retreat
    Arch (archmage.atlantis): Peace day i only 3 days away
    Storm Nordwind: If anyone needs help with installing, please contact me
    Storm Nordwind: The name of the exhibition is CHAIR-ITY ;-)
    Storm Nordwind: The Theme is BALANCE
    Storm Nordwind: So please write a poem on that theme to be performed on October 2nd in the Dome
    Jan Qualia: we just take a photo of ourselves sitting on a chair?
    Storm Nordwind: You can ask someone else to read it for you if you're shy!
    Storm Nordwind: And yes two things...
    Storm Nordwind: You'll be designing or buying a chair to read the poem from
    Storm Nordwind: So a snapshot of you on the chair is the picture we need
    Storm Nordwind: And you can put the chair itself in front of your picture in the Dome
    Jan Qualia: ok
    Storm Nordwind: Et voila
    Arch (archmage.atlantis): buy. to me, is not a word of peace
    Eos Amaterasu: sounds like some sort of parliament
    Storm Nordwind: Buy is just an energy exchange Arch
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Arch (archmage.atlantis): give is the word
    Storm Nordwind: We want to give people confidence that they can contribute
    Eliza Madrigal: anyone can beg, borrow, or build... hopefully not steal
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)
    Storm Nordwind: And some people are more comfortable with writing, some with speaking, some with building, some with painting
    Arch (archmage.atlantis): Calvin was not a good man
    Arch (archmage.atlantis): I shall leave
    Eos Amaterasu: ?
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm not comfortable with any of those so am happy for the challenge (hope to pull it together in time)
    Storm Nordwind: When you have installed your piece, please let me know so I can put the atrribution next to yours
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks, Storm
    Eos Amaterasu ponders a chair from which to speak
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray) echoes Eliza in her hope.
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Storm Nordwind: A simple rezzed box is entirely adequate! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: or sphere...
    Storm Nordwind does not recommend a cone! ;)
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ok!!! Thanks Storm:)) that makes it quite more easy:))
    Eos Amaterasu: sitting version of unicycle
    Jan Qualia: it doesn't require too much building expertise
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Jan Qualia: :)

    Storm Nordwind: Please ignore my contribution. It's meant to inspire not intimidate :)
    Eliza Madrigal: uh oh
    Eos Amaterasu: ack!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)
    Jan Qualia: not used to poetry writing
    Storm Nordwind: Your poem can be borrowed too
    Jan Qualia: I know can use borrowed
    Jan Qualia: we don't need a backdrop photo then?
    Storm Nordwind: I snapshotted mine in midair - so no you don't need a backdrop
    Storm Nordwind: And Bleu suggested you have a costume specially for the reading. Well I'm lousy at costume design and I have no dress sense, so i used an old costume you'll have seen before!
    Eliza Madrigal: so the directions are meant to be a springboard or outline, basically
    Eliza Madrigal: ?
    Adams Rubble slips away to RL calling with a bye to everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Adams :)
    Eos Amaterasu: springboard for mid-air snapshotting?
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Jan Qualia: I find it difficult to think of a costume that goes with balance
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): bye, Adams
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye Adams:)
    FcSeeker: waves
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. I can't speak for Bleu, but I would rather see contributions done in our normal wonderful PaB spirit that were not quite to the letter of the description, than no contribution at all!

    Jan Qualia: yeh ok good
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Thanks Storm, nods


    Eliza Madrigal: OK, next item on the agenda is the Working Group
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ok.
    Eliza Madrigal: Bruce would you like to speak to that, as the present WG member? :)
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ok.
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): There are at present four members - aolthough we'd love more.
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Mila, Aph, stevenaia, and moi.
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Mila abd Aph are the co-chairpersons.


    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): wonderful team:)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :::claps wholeheartedly:::::
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): our next mtg (WG) will be October 12th.
    FcSeeker: <3
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): any questions, just let one of us know.
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, Luci.
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Luci:)
    Jan Qualia: hiLuci
    Eliza Madrigal: Any guardian can take part in the WG... just a matter of organizing schedules and being willing to focus on behind-the-scenes issues in a concerte way
    FcSeeker: Hi Luci
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Luci :)
    Eliza Madrigal: *concerted
    Lucinda Lavender: HI Everyone:)
    Eos Amaterasu: concert: play together
    Eos Amaterasu: hi luci
    Jan Qualia: concrete* ?
    Lucinda Lavender: HI Everyone...sorry to be late!

    Storm Nordwind: How do people put themselves forward for the WG Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: They should email or IM either Bruce, Stevie, Mila or Aphrodite...
    Eliza Madrigal: though if they would like to respond in the main email group that would be fine and noticed also
    Storm Nordwind smiles thank you
    Eliza Madrigal: I'll re-send the message asking for participations this week
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): thanks in advance for doing that, Eliza.

    Eliza Madrigal: it would be *wonderful* for every guardian to volunteer at least once
    Eliza Madrigal: a stint in the WG is 6 months, though some choose to stay on for a while longer which is great for continuity
    Eliza Madrigal: The WG deals with guardian nominations, any issues that arise, and creatively brainstorms about community matters
    Eliza Madrigal: and tries to attend these meetings so that everyone is in the loop :)

    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): The WG finds wrinkles and tries to iron them out in a concerted way ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))

    Eliza Madrigal: Does anyone have other matters to bring up today? Questions, etc?

    Eliza Madrigal: Oh... btw anyone can jump into the 99 day exercize with those of us who are already in there :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It is wonderful to share this support, am finding it very helpful

    Eos Amaterasu: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Classes_and_Sessions/The_99_Days_project/99.001_-_2011.09.01
    Lucinda Lavender: I am afraid I have been unsure where one does the 99 day project...
    Lucinda Lavender: thank you:)
    Eliza Madrigal: we're on day 17 now
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Eos posted the link, Luci. - - Just click on the current day and add your "comment" there.
    Eos Amaterasu: A new page appears each day (starting in Greenwich time), and you add you comments (as comments) there
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes... I am 17 days late:(
    Eliza Madrigal: :) nobody is late
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: you are up to date with now!
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :))
    Eliza Madrigal: you jump in when you jump in and are there from all time
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): np --- we have MANY more days to go
    Jan Qualia: 82
    Eos Amaterasu: I could see this being an ongoing feature: just needs an auto-page-creation script
    Eliza Madrigal nods Eos

    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I suppose it's good to create an habitude... to do something positive, sometimes we want to do things and never find the moment...sharing is helfpul
    Eliza Madrigal: very
    Eos Amaterasu: makes a huge difference - people in different parts of the world checking in on the same page
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yes, Xir, this is a highly motivational exercise.
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)
    Jan Qualia: I'm too stuck to habits
    Eliza Madrigal: I like that it supports 'individual' practices in group support
    Lucinda Lavender: so clicking on the date puts ones comment on a certain page..but does one see others pages too somewhere?
    Jan Qualia: could do with a way to stop dong things so regularly
    Eos Amaterasu: for example, Luci, today's page is http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Classes_and_Sessions/The_99_Days_project/99.001_-_2011.09.01/2011.09.18_-_17
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): just all the comments for each day -- one from each person.
    Eliza Madrigal: I find it helpful to click the 'recent changes' page on the wiki, to find most updated page
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, Riddle.
    Riddle Sideways: Hi All, soory for being so late
    Eos Amaterasu: could be as simple as "check", or a paragraph
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :)
    Lucinda Lavender: so we see our own statements
    Jan Qualia: Hi Riddle
    FcSeeker: Hello Riddle
    Eos Amaterasu: you can peer into someone else's pause :-)
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): and a poem of Eden every day too:)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) yes, lovely poetry from Eden
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello Rid:)
    Eos Amaterasu whispers: hi ???
    Eliza Madrigal: and drawings from Aph, pictures from Bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: am really enjoying these peeks
    Lucinda Lavender: great! I had not scrolled down...ok

    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I will look at it carefully:)) a lot of interesting things as always going on in PaB :)
    Eos Amaterasu: busy little being
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: a daily mix...
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): If there are still questions about how to do it, just ask one of the contributors to the 99-Days Project. It's very easy.
    Lucinda Lavender: so to start does one just post?
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yep.
    Eos Amaterasu: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: ok thank you:)
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Yes Luci... it is good to put your intention on the first page, then begin with report at day 17 in this case (if starting today)
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, Aph.
    FcSeeker: Hello Aph
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aphrodite :)
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello Aph:9
    Aphrodite Macbain: sorry I'm late just woke up!
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Sunday sleep is important
    Jan Qualia: Hello Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Jan


    Eliza Madrigal: Many of us are also still regularly dropping into the droplet

    Lucinda Lavender: the west coast is waking slowly:)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes me too
    Riddle Sideways: was late night last night
    Aphrodite Macbain: zzz I was up late posting my log

    Eos Amaterasu:http://wiki.playasbeing.org/guardian_Pages/Droplet

    Eliza Madrigal: I seem to find myself with Eden and Eos most often... wonder who Starling is
    Riddle Sideways: Starling is an alt
    Lucinda Lavender: is the droplet different than the 99 days?
    Eos Amaterasu: Starling is a test account I created for testin this app
    Eliza Madrigal: oh :)
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks for solving that mystery :))
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, the clicking the droplet starts a 9 second pause going
    Eos Amaterasu: and shows who else is pausing around that time
    Eliza Madrigal: flash pause **********Applause!!**********
    Eliza Madrigal: **********Applause!!**********
    Eos Amaterasu: eos and zen are pausing
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
    Storm Nordwind: Eos - your test page is still there. Is that an independent app or is it linked? I have to say I've been using both!
    Eliza Madrigal: hah... I forget that when I type "app" it makes applause
    Eos Amaterasu: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/guardian_Pages/Droplet is the real thing
    Eos Amaterasu: the other is a sandbox for playing with code
    Eos Amaterasu: /app
    Eos Amaterasu: ?
    Eliza Madrigal giggles , but also agree that it is a good reason to applaud
    Aphrodite Macbain: cool
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): /app
    Eliza Madrigal: **********Applause!!**********
    Eliza Madrigal: **********Applause!!**********
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): sry to dash off folks, but gotta get ready for Quaker Meeting in RL now.
    Eos Amaterasu: ciao, Bruce
    Lucinda Lavender: lovely droplet work!
    Eliza Madrigal: OK, Thanks Bruce, bye for now
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Bruce
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): May all be kind and peaceful today.
    Jan Qualia: type without the slash if you have the app
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye bye Bruce:) have a nice day
    Jan Qualia: bye Bruce
    Riddle Sideways: by by
    Aphrodite Macbain: what did I miss?
     

    Aphrodite Macbain: It's so nice to see Fc sitting here
    Storm Nordwind agrees

    Lucinda Lavender: I am attempting to bookmark the droplet page
    Eliza Madrigal: We talked about Art as Being CHAIR-ity, the new WG, 99 days, droplet, and yes we should welcome FcS more officially :))
    Eliza Madrigal: :::cheers::::
    FcSeeker: waves
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): waves...best to everyone
    Riddle Sideways: welcome Fc
    Aphrodite Macbain: welcome Fc!
    Jan Qualia: bye Susan
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Susan
    Eos Amaterasu: cheers1
    Eliza Madrigal bye Susan have a lovely day
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye Susan..waves:)
    FcSeeker: thank you <3<3<3
    Eos Amaterasu: cheers!
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo) is Offline
    Eos Amaterasu: bye susan
    Lucinda Lavender: bye sysan:)
    Jan Qualia: app
    Lucinda Lavender: susan:)
    FcSeeker: bye Susan
    Jan Qualia: ha ha Zen has this and I don't
    Aphrodite Macbain: anyone else want to contributre to the pace poem?
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I also go...:) and first I will go to the Dome to see Storm's Chair-ity:))
    Jan Qualia: (app gesture)
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye bye AND NICE DAY TO ALL:)
    Eliza Madrigal: okay, bye Xirana :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: By Xirana
    Jan Qualia: bye Xirana
    Riddle Sideways: by Xir

    Eliza Madrigal: read the poem at the pavilion this morning, Aphrodite... very lovely
    Storm Nordwind: Click on the "post" as well as the picture Zi
    Storm Nordwind: Xi
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ok:)
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ty:)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Eos, Riddle- did yuyou get my notecard?
    Eliza Madrigal: you will be attending the 1pm right Aphrodite, to give notes?
    Jan Qualia: bye all
    Eliza Madrigal: Let me give you a copy of the notecard for that day
    FcSeeker: bye Xirana
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Jan :))
    Riddle Sideways: ty
    FcSeeker: bye Jan
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, thnx
    Eliza Madrigal: And Riddle and Luci also
    Eliza Madrigal: that is for Peace Day
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks eliza
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Eliza, I have one of those. Whoever is the guardian that day will have to distribute it
    Eliza Madrigal: Most welcome :) I'm very happy we are doing this

    Eliza Madrigal: Fef is the guardian that day for 1pm but we need to have a few back-ups...
    Aphrodite Macbain cuddles Fc
    Aphrodite Macbain: and tickles his ears
    FcSeeker: smiles <3
    Eliza Madrigal: Also the 1am is now in question since that was to be ARch hosting... so we'll see
    Aphrodite Macbain: He said something about being htere for the 21st

    Eliza Madrigal: in general it is good to have two people giving notes if necessary or answering visitor questions in IM
    Lucinda Lavender: may I ask...at 9 am do we push the share droplet button?
    Eliza Madrigal: the droplet is for any time :)
     

    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes. Sam had the idea of putting up a sign saying what was happening and inviting people to click for more information and the notecard
    Riddle Sideways: if you want
    Eliza Madrigal: yes that's a good idea Aphrodite
    Eliza Madrigal: so we'll see how it goes :)))
    Aphrodite Macbain: Dont know how to do that, do you Storm?
    Storm Nordwind: What Aph?
    Riddle Sideways: but no flags waving :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Have a note card embedded into the sign
    Aphrodite Macbain: explaining what is happening
    Aphrodite Macbain: we do it in the dome for each art work
    Storm Nordwind: Edit the sign, add the notecard to its content, add the note-dispenser script that's available at the Dome
    Storm Nordwind: The script will work in anything
    Storm Nordwind: It just takes the first notecard it can see
    Storm Nordwind: And gives it to the person touching the sign
    Aphrodite Macbain: how do we add the note dispenser script?
    Storm Nordwind: There's a dispenser for the script by the Dome I believe
    Aphrodite Macbain: oh!
    Storm Nordwind: Just add it to the content in the same way as the note itself
    Eos Amaterasu: copy/paste script into object content
    Aphrodite Macbain: OK maybe you can show me where it is one day soon
    Storm Nordwind: Drag and drop will work too
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: what does the script look like?
    Eos Amaterasu: will leave now, thanks all, by way of the dome (to check out chairs "-)
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Eos :) bye for now
    Eliza Madrigal: we could all pop over to the dome...
    Storm Nordwind: If you open your inventory you'll see scripts
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Eos - hope you are adding a chair of your own!
    FcSeeker: waves to Eos
    Riddle Sideways: By Eos
    Aphrodite Macbain: Oh you mean we each have one already?
    Eliza Madrigal: I have to go in a second too but would like to see the offerings so far
    Storm Nordwind: I can always make a notecard dispenser script for you if you can't find one
    FcSeeker: waves to Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: FcS do you know how to get to the dome?
    Riddle Sideways: by all
    Storm Nordwind will go to the Dome too
    Riddle Sideways: and thanks
    FcSeeker: no
    Aphrodite Macbain: THanks sorrrrrrtorm. Maybe we can talk on Monday
    Aphrodite Macbain: ouch!
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, just follow....
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks so much everyone :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! all
    Lucinda Lavender: sorry aph!
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) I've seen the dome
    Aphrodite Macbain: Fc have you seen it yet>?
    FcSeeker: so you dont come ?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'll show you.

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