The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The photos are by Bruce Mowbray.

Zon Kwan: hi twitchy
Zon Kwan: hi Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zon.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Twitchy!
TwitchyEars Resident: hi Bruce
TwitchyEars Resident: how goes you ?
Zon Kwan: good, and you
TwitchyEars Resident: sleepy
Bruce Mowbray: I am well, thank you.
Zon Kwan: oh is it late
TwitchyEars Resident: no 1pm for me just didn't go to bed early
Bruce Mowbray: I've just come from the Virtual Abilities Conference.
Zon Kwan: ah
Bruce Mowbray: You were also there, Zon, if I am not mistaken?
Zon Kwan: what's there
Bruce Mowbray: I guess not.
Zon Kwan: no
Bruce Mowbray: You were at the Garden of Peace discussion - - - so sorry!
Zon Kwan: yes
Bruce Mowbray: I am getting confused with all of these venues!
Zon Kwan: what did you get from the last venue?
Bruce Mowbray: kk. I need to claim this session and also attend to some details. Just a sec, please.
Zon Kwan: virtual abilities
Zon Kwan: k
Bruce Mowbray: Whew!
Bruce Mowbray: Eliza and I attended this weekend's conference on Virtual Abilities --- which is just now still going on.
Bruce Mowbray: really an amazing group ....
Bruce Mowbray: I so wish I knew how to be in two (or three or four) places in SL at the same time.
Zon Kwan: name of teh group ?
TwitchyEars Resident: what is it about ?
Bruce Mowbray: Virtual Abilities is a group for folks who are "disabled" but who use SL to get around.
Zon Kwan: ah
TwitchyEars Resident: oh cool
Zon Kwan: very nice
Bruce Mowbray: Yes! SOOOO cool!
Zon Kwan: must be wonderful tool for them
TwitchyEars Resident: i think tho it helps anyone to do things rl cant offer. some ppl can finally fly or sail or live in space stations
Bruce Mowbray: This weekend they have had a conference to discuss various aspects of their project --- and Eliza and I attended.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Twitchy!
Bruce Mowbray: And also be able relate to others who share their existential predicament.
Bruce Mowbray notes that Zon is not wearing his "usual" striped shirt.
Bruce Mowbray: YO, Qt!
TwitchyEars Resident: hi qt
Zon Kwan: lol
Qt Core: hi all
Zon Kwan: ho qt
Bruce Mowbray: So-called "disabilities" enable us to enter a whole new "domain" of experience.
TwitchyEars Resident: sl i think is good for ppl to explore safely too ppl like me who are deathly shy in rl
TwitchyEars Resident: its easier for me here
Bruce Mowbray: Well, Twitchy, I relate closely to your being "deathly shy." - - - As I am a hermit, by choice.
Qt Core: the big red button effect, if in distress one could just log off ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: (or my typist is, actually).
TwitchyEars Resident: for me its not a choice.

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray wonders if "just logging off" might be a form of temporary suicide.
TwitchyEars Resident: always wondered what my pixels do when im not around :D
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Zon Kwan: they dance
Bruce Mowbray ponders dancing pixels!
Qt Core: it may seem brutal but i see it the opposite way, like a homicide, shutting others out, more then myself off
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
Zon Kwan: yes..others out
Zon Kwan: i am still
Bruce Mowbray: A fascinating perspective, Qt.
Bruce Mowbray: "shutting out others"
Zon Kwan: i am always
Qt Core: like the difference of liking to be alone against don't wanting others around
TwitchyEars Resident: i agree qt
Bruce Mowbray: There seem to be a lot of "solitary" folks in the world, huh?
Bruce Mowbray: I shall not say "lonely," though.
Zon Kwan: sometimes we need it
Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes. I certainly need solitude.
Qt Core: alone and lonely are two very different things
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, San!
Santoshima Resident: hi Bruce
Qt Core: hi Santo
Zon Kwan: hi santo
TwitchyEars Resident: solitary is good sometimes. oh someone got a kitten av :D that looks fabulous san

Santoshima Resident: hi Qt, and everyone
Santoshima Resident: ty twitchy
Bruce Mowbray: I love your kitty avi, San!
Santoshima Resident: a respite from human form
TwitchyEars Resident: im gonna have to get one of those avs
Santoshima Resident: :)
Zon Kwan: must leave
Zon Kwan: bye all
Qt Core: Bye Zon
Bruce Mowbray: kk, Goodbye for now, Qt!
TwitchyEars Resident: by zon
Bruce Mowbray: I mean, goodbye, Zon!
Santoshima Resident: bye Zon
Bruce Mowbray 's typist is easily confused.
TwitchyEars Resident: im happy being alone a lot, then i get overwhelmed by loneliness. i need my own time for me but i need someone too i can share what i saw with or just be with. photography for me is my way of sharing my soul. things i cant put into words
Bruce Mowbray: Thank you for this sharing, Twitchy. . . Do you have a website where you share your photography?
TwitchyEars Resident: i don't put it online for a few reasons. Google images has been oddly the death of photography. now you can right click save and print it yourself instead of going to a gallery. i don't like that
Bruce Mowbray: I agree. . . so I put my photos on my own domain.
Santoshima Resident: can you watermark your images, Twitchy?
TwitchyEars Resident: you can yes but a good PhotoShop-er can take that out with ease
Santoshima Resident: hmm
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
TwitchyEars Resident: you'd have to really make the watermark blunt if you didn't want it removed
Bruce Mowbray wonders why someone would want to "watermark" her photos.
TwitchyEars Resident: keep ppl from stealing it with no credit
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
Bruce Mowbray: What if you just gave them to the world?
TwitchyEars Resident: even then the idea of ownership i find odd. all the mediaeval poems written anon for instance. ppl then knew who wrote it, but it was considered to be owned by the community not a person. on the other side i have to eat/ pay rent etc
Qt Core: oh, so you do it professionally

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: Yes, understood. This is our predicament and our dilemma.
Qt Core: (i was starting from a hobbyist perspective)
TwitchyEars Resident: yes tho im not famous and never will be or want to be
Qt Core: +t
Bruce Mowbray ponders, "By definition, hermits do not want to become famous -- or accessible. . . "
TwitchyEars Resident: i think rl and sl are mixed. they can show us our passions how we reflect those back to others
Qt Core: (or maybe not even hobbyist, just as one that shot a bunch of pic on vacations)
Bruce Mowbray: So, we empathetically see "ourselves" through how others see us?
TwitchyEars Resident: hobby and professional isn't much different i think. especially if its your passion. you do it cos you MUST because it fires your soul
Qt Core: don't know, Bruce, living on top of an ivory tower and being praised and idolized shouldn't be bad ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, passion counts for much.
Bruce Mowbray: I would not want that, Qt.
Bruce Mowbray: and I have rejected such opportunities, actually.
TwitchyEars Resident: some people need that affirmation. some ppl crave it as much as i crave being able to breathe
Qt Core: fame and anonymity then ? ;-) jk, Bruce
TwitchyEars Resident: incoming
Bruce Mowbray: I feel compassion for the royals of England, for example.
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, Van!
TwitchyEars Resident: hey you :) *pounces and purrs *
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Van, I need to ask you if you've been here before and if you know of our procedures in PaB....?
Santoshima Resident: hello Prim :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray thinks to himself, "Amazing transformation."
TwitchyEars Resident: she's usually a fox :)
Bruce Mowbray: Well, still has the foxy ears, I note.
Santoshima Resident: and tail
TwitchyEars Resident: eeeps
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Van, I just need your permission to post anything you may say in the chat into our on-line wiki.
Bruce Mowbray: Would that be all right with you, Van?
Bruce Mowbray: kk. Thanks!
Bruce Mowbray: Why are we lonely? What conditions make us lonely? - - - or is it something else going on?
Bruce Mowbray: Does it have something to do with withdrawing from identification with whatever is?
Bruce Mowbray: I sometimes identify more closely with animals, for example, than with humans.
TwitchyEars Resident: ^^
TwitchyEars Resident: animals don't judge
Bruce Mowbray wants to pet San.
TwitchyEars Resident: don't have hidden agendas
TwitchyEars Resident: i know ! me too im like ooooo belly rubs for the kitten
Qt Core: that's good i usually identify most with computers, but i think it depends with who/whom we spend most of our time ;-)
Santoshima Resident: :)
Santoshima Resident: lunchtime ~ must go

TwitchyEars Resident: i think lonely comes from not interacting with anything in a meaningful way
Santoshima Resident: gtsy all
Santoshima Resident: bye
TwitchyEars Resident: take care
Qt Core: bye Santo
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, San!
Qt Core: but still we must choose wisely the word, lonely or alone
TwitchyEars Resident: i agree qt
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, "meaningful" has a lot to do with connections.
Bruce Mowbray: Agreed, Qt.
Bruce Mowbray: I can't recall being lonely in the past several decades, but I have been alone almost all of that time.
TwitchyEars Resident: im never lonely in the forest. its when i leave it and can't share it with anyone rl that i feel empty
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
Bruce Mowbray: The forest is a lovely place.
Bruce Mowbray: My typist actually lives in a forest.
Bruce Mowbray: and never feels lonely. . .
Bruce Mowbray: Maybe the forest has friends to offer.....(?)

--BELL--

TwitchyEars Resident: i grew up in a remote place
TwitchyEars Resident: forest was only 10m away from my back door
Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
TwitchyEars Resident: for me it was a refuge a safe place
TwitchyEars Resident: they say the woods are wild but its not
Bruce Mowbray understands "refuge." and "safe place."
TwitchyEars Resident: forest has strict rules.
TwitchyEars Resident: those rules never change from place to place. only the flora and fauna does
TwitchyEars Resident: human society is random and wild
Bruce Mowbray: So, the forest's rules include you -- but the human society's perhaps do not?
TwitchyEars Resident: human society is totally random. what's ok in one place is taboo in another
Bruce Mowbray: (Actually, that's how I feel much of the time. . . included by the forest, but not so much in society.)
TwitchyEars Resident: when im in the forest there isn't a separation between me and it. last night i explained it to prim like this. if you are a drop of milk, and someone puts you in an ocean of milk where are you ? where do you start and stop ? there is no difference between me and the forest. my feet touch soil my head feels the sky
Bruce Mowbray: Ah yes!
Bruce Mowbray: Indeed, Twitchy, in a sense you ARE the forest!
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, Alfred!
TwitchyEars Resident: hi boxy
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Alfred Kelberry: mr qt, how are you?
Bruce Mowbray: We've been chatting about being "alone" and being "lonely" and identifying with forests.
Alfred Kelberry: prim - new girl! :)
Qt Core: almost good, and you, boxy ?
Alfred Kelberry: qt :)
Alfred Kelberry: i'm alright, thanks
Alfred Kelberry: qt, glad it's on the good side for you
Bruce Mowbray identifies strongly with dogs. always has.
Bruce Mowbray 's typist thinks he might have been a dog in an earlier life.
Alfred Kelberry: i see twity is not alone today :)
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, Kori!
Alfred Kelberry: kori!
Korel Laloix: Heya
TwitchyEars Resident: no primmy is my partner :)
Qt Core: i'm very urban, but felt the connection to nature a couple times
TwitchyEars Resident: hi korel
Alfred Kelberry: twity :)
Korel Laloix: Interesting thought Qt.
Bruce Mowbray wonders how it is possible for someone to feel "outside" of nature.
Qt Core: hi Korel
Korel Laloix: IS there anything that you really connect to in the urban environment?
Alfred Kelberry: qt, what those couple times were for you?
Bruce Mowbray: afk for just a sec... brb!
Alfred Kelberry: kori, a lot of things. friends, cafes, parks, etc :)
Bruce Mowbray has returned and listens carefully.
Korel Laloix: OK.. connection with a Cafe?... There are places that I have an affinity for.
Korel Laloix: But not a connection with.
Bruce Mowbray: I love some urban environments. . . (recalls some very special settings in New York, for example.)
Qt Core: i feel good in old city centers, between little roads
Korel Laloix: I never really felt at ease in big cities.
Korel Laloix: Never feel together.
Korel Laloix: But that is just me.
Alfred Kelberry: qt, those couple of times when you felt connection to nature, were they trips to rural areas? :)
Bruce Mowbray listens for Qt's response to Alfred's question.
Alfred Kelberry: kori, grew up in a small town?
Qt Core: not always, one was just walking in a city streets, at about 6am and starting a whistling "discussion" with the birds on the surrounding trees ;-)

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: Ahhhh!
Korel Laloix: Rural area outside of a larger town.
Alfred Kelberry: qt :)
Bruce Mowbray: qt ;)
Alfred Kelberry: kori, do you think your dislike of big cities is in part the cultural tension between urban and rural folks?
Bruce Mowbray listens once again . . . for Kori's answer.
Korel Laloix: It is not a dislike.
Qt Core: i was already in a good mood as i was going to catch a bus for a school trip, but i don't remember the trip anymore, just the birds
Alfred Kelberry: qt, that was your poetic moment :)
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh! -- beautiful, you remember the birds.
Korel Laloix: I as a general lack of friendliness and awareness I guess.
Alfred Kelberry: qt, maybe you were in love? :)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Qt Core: no, i can assure you i was not
Korel Laloix: Cities to me are so impersonal and so intrusive I feel.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Kori, I can understand that feeling. . . but for me, New York has always been one of the friendliest place to visit.
TwitchyEars Resident: cities to me are scattered random energy that tries to overwhelm me
Alfred Kelberry: kori, it is a common tendency
Bruce Mowbray: yes.
Bruce Mowbray: Sometimes in cities, folks seem to take each other for granted.
Bruce Mowbray: overlooking the precious uniqueness of each individual.
Korel Laloix: I think the intrusiveness is what I find really disconcerting.
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm. Like, perhaps you feel invaded by others in the city?
Korel Laloix: People don't want to know you, but want to know what you are doing.
Alfred Kelberry: Bruce, i think it's a function of a big crowd. people mix in.
Bruce Mowbray: That's also true in small towns, Kori, alas.
Korel Laloix: No in OK... here people want to know you, but are very 'mind your own business.'
Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, people seem to blend or meld together in big cities sometimes.
Korel Laloix: Maybe more of a redneck or Native thing.
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray ponders Kori's use of the term "redneck."
Korel Laloix smiles
Bruce Mowbray: Here is southern Ohio, "redneck" means an ordinary farmer.
Korel Laloix: It is not a definitive term at all.
Korel Laloix: That is about right for here as well.
Bruce Mowbray: nope.
Bruce Mowbray: yep.
TwitchyEars Resident: small places can be intrusive too. at home we had a saying " everyone knows what you're gonna do before you do it. sometimes they're even right"
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: So, these folks who know us, supposedly, do they not help us to be less lonely?
TwitchyEars Resident: it's how you connect to someone or something. random ppl are just random. they rarely add or subtract
Korel Laloix: Different rural cultures I guess... people know what you tend to do because they know you.
Korel Laloix: But don't get in your business about it.
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm. "Random people" -- sort of like folks on TV commercials, then?
Korel Laloix: So much easier in a lot of ways being not straight here than in big cities for sure.
Alfred Kelberry: Bruce, people on the street or subway :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
Bruce Mowbray: I have spent this whole afternoon in a conference of disabled people in SL.
Bruce Mowbray: it was an amazing eye-opener.
Bruce Mowbray: Virtual Abilities group.
Bruce Mowbray: Absolutely fascinating to observe how we "exclude" folks from our circles.
Bruce Mowbray: because, perhaps, they do not have the physical -- or mental - abilities to participate on our terms.
Bruce Mowbray: Eliza also was there.
TwitchyEars Resident: to me a system is either mutually inclusive (everyone is welcome) or mutually exclusive (only approved people) most systems are exclusive. feminism is, politics is, schools are too.
Alfred Kelberry: Bruce: yes, people implicitly form social groups that carry certain unspoken rules of engagement
Korel Laloix: I have a couple of very disabled friends here on SL.. it is very much a godsend to them.
Bruce Mowbray adds to Twitchy's list "religions"
TwitchyEars Resident: yes for sure
Alfred Kelberry: yes, kori. sl removes a lot of the initial group barriers
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Korel Laloix: And gives physical access... if you know what I mean.
Qt Core: well, i think we are genetically programmed to be inclusive/exclusive having a group-based animal society
Bruce Mowbray: yes, I do know what you mean, Kori.
TwitchyEars Resident: sl is based on personality not physical appearance rl.
Korel Laloix: The raw ability to connect without leaving the house.
Korel Laloix: brb
Bruce Mowbray: My typist is no longer able to physically walk to his favorite swimming creek . . . but he can still look through the windows. . . at the forest.

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: qt, nods
TwitchyEars Resident: Bruce in the tao te ching it says "without going out of doors, one may know all under heaven"
Qt Core: still we just have to enlarge the tribe boundaries ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: twity, it is very much about appearance though :)
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh! To see the world in a grain of sand and heaven in a wildflower.
TwitchyEars Resident: appearance is VERY important to most ppl. we judge ppl instantly on it. from the hobo asking for cash to the hottie you drool over
Bruce Mowbray prefers hoboes asking for cash to hotties.
Alfred Kelberry: Bruce, i'll take both :)
Bruce Mowbray: And on that somewhat sour note, I shall depart, and wish all of you a safe and very happy weekend.
TwitchyEars Resident: hobos are usually more interesting BUT having been drooled over and having never been given a chance to show i have a brain its not nice. being seen as just tits and ass is annoying
Alfred Kelberry: be well, Bruce
Qt Core: bye Bruce, have fun
TwitchyEars Resident: take care Bruce
Alfred Kelberry: twity :)
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Bruce Mowbray: just one more note: When I walked across the US alone in 1977, I camped with some hobos. . . . and it was a GOOD experience.
TwitchyEars Resident: eeeps
Alfred Kelberry: hobo preference is just as "discriminating" as preference for hotties :)
Korel Laloix: I road on a Greyhound bus once... that was a very odd crowd.
Alfred Kelberry: greywhat?
TwitchyEars Resident: to see a person as a unique universe is what i try to do.
Korel Laloix: And I lived in a homeless shelter for a bit as well.. that was very revealing.
Alfred Kelberry: twity, admirable attitude
Korel Laloix: Then USA's biggest bus line.
TwitchyEars Resident: greyhound busses are .... interesting
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: how long have you been on the road, kori?
Korel Laloix: I am not now.
Korel Laloix: Those instances were a while ago.
Alfred Kelberry: i mean, had been
Alfred Kelberry: that grey bus
Korel Laloix: The bus trip was just about 8 hours
Alfred Kelberry: ah
Korel Laloix: I was essentially homeless for about two weeks.
Alfred Kelberry: 8 hours on a bus must be annoying
Alfred Kelberry: did you stop often?
Korel Laloix: It was a rush.
Korel Laloix: Not very often.
Korel Laloix: Had some road construction as well.
Korel Laloix: So took longer than it should have..
Alfred Kelberry: OK I GOT THIS!
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Korel Laloix: Not a good way to travel.. unless you are desperate.
TwitchyEars Resident: meet some strange people for sure
Alfred Kelberry: who did you meet, twity?
TwitchyEars Resident: kicked off a bus at a station at 3am to change busses
Korel Laloix: I did not have that issue... just a day trip.
TwitchyEars Resident: met two idiots who threw skanky perfume down the heating ducts. bus stank so bad i wanted to be sick
Alfred Kelberry: ouch
Korel Laloix: Might be better than then regular bus stench though... lol.. ooo.. bad memories.
TwitchyEars Resident: omg i take transit here o.o
Korel Laloix: There is a big difference between a local bus and a long distance.

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: qt, how's Italy doing financially? are you good on your own or Germany will have to bail you out too? :)
Qt Core: just knowing it would be good, they all say we should made it
Alfred Kelberry: did you raise retirement age?
Qt Core: but if we get to the point that even Italy needed to be bailed out if is more probable that EU would break in two if not just dissolve as Germany and other northern countries will go save themselves
Qt Core: yes (and we had already done that a couple years ago)
TwitchyEars Resident: do you ever get the feeling its being deliberately broken so it can be "fixed" ?
Qt Core: wonder about the fix
TwitchyEars Resident: o.o
Qt Core: the sad thing is that for many (and a little for me too) the EU dream seems to be dead
TwitchyEars Resident: i think its a power grab. it doesn't seem to have much benefit except to rich or politicians
Alfred Kelberry: the fix would be a more regulated economy that would counter irresponsible countries and individuals that feed off the EU institution
TwitchyEars Resident: it was allowed and encouraged to happen from pure greed and lust for power
Qt Core: not many politicians are getting something about this (at least around here)
Korel Laloix: Same way in the US.
Qt Core: the only ones that can win are the extremists, both on left and on the right side (and the anti-political movements too)
Alfred Kelberry: twity, greed for money, not power. the latter is a consequence.
TwitchyEars Resident: korel, did you know there is an agreement now between the us and canada that allows both our police to enter each others countries and make arrests
Korel Laloix: Does not surprise me.
Alfred Kelberry: qt, this is what, sadly, happens at the time of turmoil
Alfred Kelberry: people get annoyed and angry and lose their rationality
Qt Core: love the anti politics movement, ok, lets throw away all current political figures and then... their plan ends there with a magical renaissance of everything
TwitchyEars Resident: i miss sanity
Korel Laloix smiles
Korel Laloix: OK... back to writing.
Korel Laloix: Take care all.
Alfred Kelberry: wait!
Alfred Kelberry: what are you writing?
Qt Core: bye Korel, have fun
TwitchyEars Resident: take care korel

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: A useless paper on carpel tunnel syndrome.
Korel Laloix: Ciao.
Qt Core: an illness that keeping writing at a pc may start
TwitchyEars Resident: LOL
Alfred Kelberry: i wonder when this whatever trillions of dollars of the u.s. debt will blow up somehow :)
Qt Core: when china finally decides to destroy the US i think
Alfred Kelberry: this will be a grand spectacle :)
TwitchyEars Resident: china might not. it would need a replacement for its goods first. its as much a house of cards as the US is
TwitchyEars Resident: cos lets face it there isn't 15 trillion dollars of anything on earth
TwitchyEars Resident: that money can never be paid
TwitchyEars Resident: its just numbers
Qt Core: inner market
Alfred Kelberry: yep, ponzi scheme on the universal scale
Alfred Kelberry: yet if i owe my bank a mere thousand dollars and don't pay up on time they'll eat me raw :)
TwitchyEars Resident: be cos you have no power
TwitchyEars Resident: yet if all the corp in Canada paid their back taxes Canada wouldn't have a national debt
Qt Core: and your 1000 dollars can be exchanged with everyone else 1000 dollars
Alfred Kelberry: it's funny how with all these debts the pro capital movement is still trendy and expanding
TwitchyEars Resident: greed and corruption
Qt Core: everyone thinks he is smarter
Alfred Kelberry: i hoped the occupy crowd would take over the wall street :)
TwitchyEars Resident: i need to go me and prim are building a rp sim for someone :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, nice
Alfred Kelberry: enjoy it, twity :)
Qt Core: bye Twit, have fun
Alfred Kelberry: enjoy it, twity :)
TwitchyEars Resident: take care :) was nice talking to you
Alfred Kelberry: ok, now it's you and me left to save the world :)
Qt Core: poor world...
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: i hereby assign you, qt, the earth protector :)
Alfred Kelberry: you have 2 weeks to get rid off all the debts :)
Qt Core: maybe i can protect ... a handful of it from rain...
Alfred Kelberry: that's a good start
Qt Core: but only heart, no plants as i have a black thumb
Alfred Kelberry: er, i didn't get it :)
Qt Core: green thumb if you are good with plants, black otherwise

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: plants have been here long before us. i don't think you have to worry :)
Alfred Kelberry: they'll still flourish after human race is gone
Alfred Kelberry: question: would you take a one way trip to mars?
Qt Core: maybe a little different as for the little bit of radioactive scories we will leave behind but surely
Qt Core: probably not
Alfred Kelberry: vic told me he would. impressive brave man :)
Alfred Kelberry: i'm not sure. certainly not now. maybe when I'm older... in my 50s
Qt Core: there is some private company planning for doing it in a few years
Alfred Kelberry: yes, spacex
Alfred Kelberry: in about 15 years
Alfred Kelberry: I'd so love to see it
Qt Core: someone proposed to offer that to people with life sentences too
Alfred Kelberry: ha, no wise :)
Alfred Kelberry: I'm sure they'll find a lot of scientists willing to go :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh well...
Qt Core: too nerdy to do that and we need them here more
Alfred Kelberry: time to go
Alfred Kelberry: thank you for the company
Qt Core: ty too
Alfred Kelberry: you be well, qt. more good for you :)