The Guardian for this meeting was Xirana Oximoxi, joined by mighty, Eliza, Bruce and Zen.

Xirana Oximoxi: hello mighty:)
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Alfred Kelberry: is it your session?
Xirana Oximoxi: hello again:) yes
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: very quiet at the moment:)
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Alfred Kelberry: siesta :)
Xirana Oximoxi: how are you?
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...it's siesta time for me...very difficult to start talking about the topics of the week:)
Xirana Oximoxi: lazy mind at the moment... and maybe later too:)
Xirana Oximoxi: did you go to French session with Zen?
Alfred Kelberry: ok, let's talk about siesta then and what people do in catalonia at this time :)
Alfred Kelberry: no, been out
Xirana Oximoxi: I guess they are all making sieata...at least my family:)
Xirana Oximoxi: too hot this summer to do anything else:)
Alfred Kelberry: ah, is it busy and crowdy at your place?
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... all come here to be more fresh:) but it's hot here too...not normal
Alfred Kelberry: oh wait, it's a short nap! i thought it was a meal :)
Xirana Oximoxi: what do you mean?
Alfred Kelberry: sieata
Xirana Oximoxi: short nap? ...are you eating now?
--BELL--
Xirana Oximoxi: noo it's a mistake..misstyping * siesta
Alfred Kelberry: er...
Alfred Kelberry: ah, ok :)
Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh 'short nap' = siesta :))
Alfred Kelberry: miscommunication :)
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...because of my English:))
Alfred Kelberry: or mine :)
Xirana Oximoxi: and your 'ignorance' in Spanish :))
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...I say in a kind way:))!!!!
Xirana Oximoxi: you learned German at schol? when child?
Alfred Kelberry: it will also be true in a very direct way :)
Xirana Oximoxi: well..it was a way to refer to the topic of the week ...I did not mean a person is 'ignorant' when not knowing a language:)
Xirana Oximoxi: did you learn another language apart from yours at school?
Alfred Kelberry: no, only german
Alfred Kelberry: hey, there's chat in the kira cafe group :)
Xirana Oximoxi: ohhh really? about what?
Alfred Kelberry: no idea. it's in japanese :)
Alfred Kelberry: kira japan folks
Xirana Oximoxi: haha:))
Xirana Oximoxi: is it possible to go there and follow it with some kind of translator?
Alfred Kelberry: i hope one day they will invent a neuron level universal translator
Xirana Oximoxi: yes! that would be fantastic:))
Xirana Oximoxi: have you started to think about how to get it?
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Eliza! :)
Xirana Oximoxi: nice to see you:)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xirana, you too :) Hi Boxy :)
Alfred Kelberry: there's google translate built-in, but japanese is a tough cookie for any automatic translator :)
Alfred Kelberry: eliza girl!
Xirana Oximoxi: we've been talking about our 'ignorance' in languages:)
Alfred Kelberry: it sucks when you hear people talk and can't make out a word :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles - whatever your ignorance with languages mine is far greater I'm sure
Eliza Madrigal: I live in Miami for instance, all my life, and my Spanish is still terrible
Xirana Oximoxi: but...the subject of this week is not refered to this kind of ignorance:)
Alfred Kelberry: like today when i visited xiri's french lesson here in sl
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Eliza Madrigal: oh, you did? how was that?
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, i guess it would improve in cali :)
Xirana Oximoxi: he came..but it's impossible to understand if you don't know the language:)
Alfred Kelberry: it was... beautiful and puzzling :)
Xirana Oximoxi: Zen is learning very quick..but he also studies with duolingo everyday
Eliza Madrigal: ah, Zen is focused when he wants to be

Eliza Madrigal: do they still think that particular languages are found in particular parts of the brain? remember that peculiar idea

Alfred Kelberry: i applaud his determination :)

Xirana Oximoxi: Eliza...I've seen you asked if people read the chat logs.... I do time to time:))
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, thank you Xiri
Eliza Madrigal: what is from time to time?
Xirana Oximoxi: oft:)
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, did not hear this one
Xirana Oximoxi: I like to read what are people talking and how they focuses on the topics
Eliza Madrigal: Do you find them valuable? Feel like they keep you on the same page with the group?
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Xirana Oximoxi: I think it's a way to feel more connected with the group...even when you don't come to the sessions...
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) thank you, am encouraged to hear

Xirana Oximoxi: and about brain and languages...there are different theories..one is the one you say, each language in a part of the brain... I've heard that too
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
Xirana Oximoxi: others think you've got a 'capacity' in your brain that you develop depending in which culture/laguage you are born (Generativists)

Xirana Oximoxi: hi Bruce:)
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Eliza, Xir, Boxy!

Eliza Madrigal: so a latent potential?

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zen.
Zen Arado: Hi all
Alfred Kelberry: mr bruce :)

Xirana Oximoxi: you see...now I have not met Bruce for some days...but I know he is trying a tool ... not sure if I have well understood what it is for:)

Xirana Oximoxi: hi Zen!
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, Eliza... exactly:)

Bruce Mowbray: It is a device for bio-feedback for meditation exploration.
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, do tell more
Alfred Kelberry: hi, zen
Bruce Mowbray: I just finished a "sit" with it, actually.
Xirana Oximoxi: I've told Eliza that I read the logs..and that it is useful to be connected to the group:)
Bruce Mowbray: Well, just briefly -- I was concerned that y meditation had become sloppy,
Bruce Mowbray: so, in line wiht our "exploration" and PaB as Lab,
Xirana Oximoxi: did you find it useful for your practice?
Bruce Mowbray: I decided to buy an inexpensive bio-feedback device and check out the physiological responses . . .
Bruce Mowbray: like when my mind wanders...
Alfred Kelberry: *googles*
Bruce Mowbray: or intention/concentration. . . etc.
Bruce Mowbray: and it has helped a great deal, actually.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, very useful, thanks.
Zen Arado: can you see that at the time?
Xirana Oximoxi: it is related to the link oo0oo has sent..
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Zen, there is an almost instantaneous visual (on computer monitor) when my mind wanders.
Xirana Oximoxi: when you say 'wanders'...you mean that you are loosing concentration?
Zen Arado: they have been doing fMRI scans on meditators for a long time
Alfred Kelberry: ah, neat stuff
Bruce Mowbray: Yes.
Alfred Kelberry: how much does it cost?
Bruce Mowbray: I got mine for $180 USD.
Zen Arado: they see huge changes in the brain during meditation
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.heartmathstore.com/cgi-bi...FYg7MgodZz0ApQ
Xirana Oximoxi: can you give the link . boxy, please?
Xirana Oximoxi: ahh ty Bruce:)
Bruce Mowbray: If you're interested in buying one on-line, I'd suggest soap.com
Bruce Mowbray: The sell them for $180 --- $50 cheaper than other places.
Bruce Mowbray: Seriously, if you are interested...
Xirana Oximoxi: well..I was just interested in reading how it works:)
Xirana Oximoxi: thank you Bruce:)
Zen Arado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkKi8SF8oNg
Bruce Mowbray: let me know, and I will individuall send you some screen-saves of my sessions.
Bruce Mowbray: and answer any questions that I am able to answer.

Xirana Oximoxi: do you read the chat logs too..or I am the only one?
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Bruce Mowbray: I sometimes read tham. . . but it's been a hectic week.
Xirana Oximoxi: what answers did you get Eliza?

Bruce Mowbray: http://www.heartmathstore.com/item/1...itation-prayer

Eliza Madrigal: Well, from my informal survey, most have times where they have read more logs than they are currently reading, but most read some and also find them valuable
Eliza Madrigal: only oO0Oo and I read all of them
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, 0 told me that he also read them all.
Bruce Mowbray: Whew!
Eliza Madrigal: and I skim more than I used to... miss more

Alfred Kelberry: bruce, so if you're nervous it beeps at you? :)

Eliza Madrigal: so oO0Oo may be the most aware of group patterns actually... had some interesting thoughts during yesterdays session about groups and patterns

Bruce Mowbray: I have all the sounds turned off -- but, yes, it will make sounds if you want it to do that.
Eliza Madrigal: maybe we need a PaB group biofeedback machine
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Maybe we can become bio-feedback for each other -- group-wise.
Bruce Mowbray: brb....
Eliza Madrigal: yes
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: [back]
Alfred Kelberry: i find i feel comfier in person than in sl
Xirana Oximoxi: what do you mean boxy...you refer to 'bio-feedback'?
Alfred Kelberry: yes, when you're in person, it's partly already present
Bruce Mowbray ponders clicking on noses and getting instant readings.
Zen Arado: meditation itself is bio feedback
Eliza Madrigal: !
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...I agree, in sl is more difficult
Eliza Madrigal: haha Bruce... SL Pinochio **********Applause!!**********
Alfred Kelberry: i feel more comfortable doing meditation in a group in rl, rather than here in the circle
Eliza Madrigal: **********Applause!!**********
Zen Arado: vipassana meditation
Xirana Oximoxi: :))
Eliza Madrigal: lol (app)
Bruce Mowbray: Right, Zen, precisely -- Reflection -- by definition -- is a sort of biofeedback.
Bruce Mowbray: "bending back - or inward" re-flexion

Eliza Madrigal: I have to get going but wanted to mention that San has offered this page for topics next week: http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/page/6/

Alfred Kelberry: although, i can tell without a machine if i'm nervous or my thoughts are hyperactive
Xirana Oximoxi: ahh thank you Eliza!
Xirana Oximoxi: have a nice day:)
Alfred Kelberry: aww... eliza is leaving :(
Zen Arado: ty Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: thanks much Xiri, lovely to see you all :)
Bruce Mowbray: See you a few minutes, Eliza.
Zen Arado: byee for now
Eliza Madrigal pats Boxy's head
Eliza Madrigal waves
Alfred Kelberry: *grabs eliza's legs and doesn't let her go* :)
Eliza Madrigal: haha... my sister used to do that when she was little...
Bruce Mowbray: With the bio device, it's a two-way street.
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: ((( ))Bye
Bruce Mowbray: What happens in me is picked up by the device,
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye guapina:)

Bruce Mowbray: and what the device registers enables me to change what's happening with me,
Bruce Mowbray: so it continualy goes back and forth throughout a session.
Zen Arado: after a while you would notice what he machine notices?
Xirana Oximoxi: ah yes... San proposed this topic for next week
Zen Arado: then you wouldn't need it?
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, what readings do you look at?
Bruce Mowbray: You can see immediately what the machine "notices," and then you can modify yourself. . .
Bruce Mowbray: There is a "coherence score" --
Alfred Kelberry: aggregate?
Bruce Mowbray: and there are two other scales. . . charting pulse and - - - yes an aggregate score, precisely.
Xirana Oximoxi: and do you feel comfortable with it..it's like having someone telling you constantly if you are doing wrong
Alfred Kelberry: does it say what readings comprise the coherence score?
Alfred Kelberry: xiri :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Let me know if you want to see some of my sessions. . . and I'll send them to you individually. . . via email. Then you could get a better idea of the screen images.
Xirana Oximoxi: I thought that meditation practice is a way to relax and keep your mind very quiet..but with this tool..it seems not possible
Bruce Mowbray: It's more like something telling you moment by moment HOW you're doing, and then you can do better.
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, please do
Bruce Mowbray: It really helps my focus.
Bruce Mowbray: kk, Alfred I will send it along later today.
Bruce Mowbray: Actually, Xir, the device enables me to keep the mind very quiet...
Alfred Kelberry: what the highest coherence score you got?
Xirana Oximoxi: could you send it to me too, Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: I aim for 80% throughout the session.
Xirana Oximoxi: ok:)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, doesn't sound easy
Bruce Mowbray: Mine has been steading improving. . . and a few sessions I've now had better than 80%
Alfred Kelberry: congrats :)
Alfred Kelberry: when you reach 100% - let me know :)
Xirana Oximoxi: we will celebrate:))
Bruce Mowbray: I am still in the lowest "difficulty" level -- there are three more levels of difficult higher than what I am currently using.
Alfred Kelberry: ah, there are also levels
Alfred Kelberry: tricky

Bruce Mowbray: Need to move on for an interview at Sakura now.
Xirana Oximoxi: ok!
Alfred Kelberry: interview?
Xirana Oximoxi: is it private or public?
Bruce Mowbray: I will send you all some emails about it later. Just delete them if not interested, OK?
Bruce Mowbray: It's private, I think.
Xirana Oximoxi: ok Bruce, thank you very much:)
Bruce Mowbray: Something Eliza has put together.
Zen Arado: I need to go too
Bruce Mowbray: Eliza.
Alfred Kelberry: is it for the... pab chronicles?
Xirana Oximoxi: ok! :)
Zen Arado: byee
Xirana Oximoxi: have a nice day all!! :)
Bruce Mowbray: No, it is an independent sociological study. . .
Xirana Oximoxi: I also will go now
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now.
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye..see you soon!! :-)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, right. by kire at sakura.
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye boxy! :-) tc!
Alfred Kelberry: i'd like to learn more about her study
Alfred Kelberry: bye