The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Eliza Madrigal: 's current display-name is "Eliza".
--BELL--1300
Agatha Macbeth: 's current display-name is "Aggers".
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth wonders if Liz is here
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: don't see me?
Agatha Macbeth: I see you are :p
Agatha Macbeth: No I thought maybe AFK
Eliza Madrigal: you are appearing as particularly action-hero ish
Agatha Macbeth: Moi?
Eliza Madrigal: very sleek
Agatha Macbeth: Sleek is good :p
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Agatha Macbeth: How are you?
Eliza Madrigal: not sure, how are you?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I'm fine
Agatha Macbeth: Warm
Agatha Macbeth: Lovely evening
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: stars out dancing?
Agatha Macbeth: Not yet
Agatha Macbeth: still light
Eliza Madrigal: ah
Agatha Macbeth: Stays light till nearly 10 at this time of year
Eliza Madrigal: that is even later than here
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder how Wol is doing?

Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hi everyone!

Eliza Madrigal: It has been many years since I ran a race and could see the finish line ahead
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Aphie :)

Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I'm on the NDR

Eliza Madrigal: so that must be how Wol is feeling
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph :))
Agatha Macbeth: Is it catching? :p
Eliza Madrigal: didn't realize one could shout out from the NDR
Agatha Macbeth: Train of thought maybe?
Agatha Macbeth: Bet that won't be recorded hehe

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Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: have enjoyed reading Wol's sessions lately, when posting.. am almost glad she hasn't had time to so I'm sure to read
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Yep, still gets here
Eliza Madrigal: this morning the session posted was about pilgrimage
Eliza Madrigal: ever "set out" on an adventure like that?
Agatha Macbeth: Pilgrimage?
Eliza Madrigal: not necessarily but something pilgrimage-like
Agatha Macbeth: What like exactly?
Agatha Macbeth: I fear I'm not much of a pilgrim
Eliza Madrigal: oh goodness... asking for exactlies
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Agatha Macbeth: Picky me eh?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'll be wave you be particle :P
Agatha Macbeth: What pilgrimage has Wollie been on then?
Eliza Madrigal: well Wol and Hana were talking about intentional paths retrecked I think
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Eliza Madrigal: [01:43] Wol Euler: like driving 150km to pick berries in a particular spot, then driving back again [01:44] Hana Furlough: yeah, i've heard of that [01:44] Wol Euler: I've actually done that, with cousins :)
Agatha Macbeth: Interesting
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes I can believe she does that
Agatha Macbeth: Gets out more than me tho
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder where Aph went
Eliza Madrigal: Off with Mercury it seems :)
--BELL--1315
Agatha Macbeth: Freddie?
Eliza Madrigal: never know :)
Agatha Macbeth: How long have you been in SL now?
Eliza Madrigal: well, Eliza is my first avie... so 4 years 5 months (1623 days)
Agatha Macbeth: Long time
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes it seems like a blip
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Eliza Madrigal: and to you? how does it seem?
Agatha Macbeth: Hard to say
Agatha Macbeth: Not really sure
Agatha Macbeth: But mostly seems like ages
Eliza Madrigal: the measurement feels different somehow
Eliza Madrigal: as though it is set apart as a different time
Agatha Macbeth: Guess time passes quicker if you enjoy it
Eliza Madrigal: they say so... if absorbed
Eliza Madrigal: there is a lot of non-absorbed time in SL too though...
Agatha Macbeth: I don't know about that really
Eliza Madrigal: I have been thinking about that kind of time a lot actually.... time waiting for something else, in lines, on elevators
Agatha Macbeth: That tends to be spent thinking with me
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Luci
Eliza Madrigal: what kind of thinking ... knowing the end is approaching
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Luci :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh all sorts
Agatha Macbeth: Much to think of
Agatha Macbeth: How are you LL?
Lucinda Lavender: ok..
Agatha Macbeth: Good :)
Lucinda Lavender: just working on my notecard
Lucinda Lavender: and you agatha?
Agatha Macbeth: Which one is that?
Agatha Macbeth: I'm fine thanks
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, great
Lucinda Lavender: one for my dream egg
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes
Lucinda Lavender: and you eliza? how be you?
Agatha Macbeth: Liz is always wonderful :p
Eliza Madrigal: :) not having my own answer I'll go with that one
Agatha Macbeth: The mother of PaB
Lucinda Lavender: yes... she is great
Eliza Madrigal: Pema is PaB's mother :)
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Lucinda Lavender: are we all his children then?
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Lucinda Lavender: playing together
Eliza Madrigal: that's an interesting time too... when children become adults and maybe friends
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes bumpy road... or has been with one of mine but maybe we're reaching some understandings
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Depends if they are yours or someone else's I think
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps so... have been watching the process with a friend ... step daughters
Eliza Madrigal: ownership issues :)
Lucinda Lavender: nods
--BELL--1330
Agatha Macbeth: We don't actually 'own' them tho do we?
Eliza Madrigal: not at all
Lucinda Lavender: yet we bond with them
Eliza Madrigal: hard to find a better word for the dynamics that go on though... fears of displacement etc
Eliza Madrigal: assertions of place
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Eliza Madrigal: cries for validation
Lucinda Lavender: feeling outside perhaps
Lucinda Lavender: last night I watched a program on dogs
Eliza Madrigal listens
Agatha Macbeth: Woof
Lucinda Lavender: and how they release oxytocin with petting while the human does as well
Agatha Macbeth: Oxy-who?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: bonding hormone
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: powerful
Agatha Macbeth: Does it come in a spray?
Lucinda Lavender: yes...so it made me see why I might dream of nursing a lot
Eliza Madrigal: ooh didn't realize you do
Agatha Macbeth: Nurse Luci...nice
Lucinda Lavender: i do...not sure of a spray!
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Eliza Madrigal: hehhee
Eliza Madrigal: phermones do
Lucinda Lavender: so now that has a new thought going
Eliza Madrigal: I was recently somewhere where there were lots of cats... and I stayed for about an hour... when I left I felt giddy... almost drunk and realized how addictive... how easy it would be, to be a "cat lady"
Agatha Macbeth loves cats
Eliza Madrigal: what is the context of your nursing dreams Luci?
Lucinda Lavender: well...I just nurse people in the dream
Lucinda Lavender: sounds wierd I know
Lucinda Lavender: in RL I loved nursing
Agatha Macbeth: Actually sounds good
Eliza Madrigal: loved it too
Eliza Madrigal: but have never dreamt about it
Lucinda Lavender: I have not had that in a dream in a few years tho
Eliza Madrigal: being a source of nourishment
Lucinda Lavender: it was a reaccuring theme
Eliza Madrigal: seems wonderful
Eliza Madrigal: thinking of doing a second egg? hehehe
Lucinda Lavender: cool!!!
Lucinda Lavender: do one
Eliza Madrigal: am sure there is an animation ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: oh no... a nursing egg
Lucinda Lavender: the dog show had the dogs following gesture
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Lucinda Lavender: and I read one that gesture stimulates dreaming
Lucinda Lavender: hence the many dreams of my conductor
Eliza Madrigal: say more?
Lucinda Lavender: well I could do a whole egg on my dreams of him i bet
Agatha Macbeth: I bet you could
Lucinda Lavender: i also wondered about cats...
Agatha Macbeth: ^.^
Lucinda Lavender: or oxytocin is a mutually desireable influence...we do our own self healing there perhaps
Eliza Madrigal: Hi dancing Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Could be
Zen Arado: 's current display-name is "Zen".
Agatha Macbeth: It's DJ Zenny
Lucinda Lavender: we go back to a source that works
Lucinda Lavender: in the dream
Agatha Macbeth: Having a swim
Lucinda Lavender: HI Zen
Zen Arado: Hi all
Agatha Macbeth: Careful not to wash the tan off ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: re gestures... in dream yoga there are suggested poses to take in sleep
Lucinda Lavender: yes...I have been reading that book of late we are discussing what could be the themes that create
Agatha Macbeth: How would you know you were doing them?
Eliza Madrigal: well it is no small feat to be able to sleep that way
Lucinda Lavender: you might be aware while in the dream
Eliza Madrigal: :) except for the parinirvana pose
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, true
Eliza Madrigal: although I've never been able to sleep that way... even when pregnant I slept on my stomach mostly
--BELL--1345
Lucinda Lavender: i do not know the poses actually...but they are like gesture in a sense. I have been reading The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep.
Agatha Macbeth: I can't sleep on my front at all
Eliza Madrigal: yes he shows some in that book Luci
Eliza Madrigal: it isn't healthy aggers... so perhaps a blessing
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Safety device?
Lucinda Lavender: wow Eliza...to sleep on a pregnant stomach...that is something.
Eliza Madrigal nods... an oddity
Eliza Madrigal: guarding the football, lol
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't baby say 'gerroff'?
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hehhehe
Lucinda Lavender: :)))
Zen Arado: with a pillow?
Eliza Madrigal: they were really lively.. all three... maybe that's why
Eliza Madrigal: yes with pillow under leg... so not quite squashed
Eliza Madrigal: ^.^
Zen Arado: pillows a re a question for me
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Eliza Madrigal: actually I'm really interested in dreams/death but find few angles to talk about it from except particularly "buddhist" ones
Agatha Macbeth: Bleuji :)
Zen Arado: only need to sleep sideways
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Zen Arado: so what do you do if you are on your back?
Agatha Macbeth: The big sleep
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Rephrase that Zen? :p
Bleu Oleander: hiya :)
Eliza Madrigal: snore?
Lucinda Lavender: HI Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: I think sleeping on back is supposed to be better for dreaming but I have an active dream life so... defying the odds
Agatha Macbeth: I've always had an urge to recod myself to see if i snore
Zen Arado: But I get a sore neck
Eliza Madrigal: if you've never woken yourself snoring you may not aggers
Agatha Macbeth: No, don't think so
Lucinda Lavender: have you ever been laughing in sleep?
Lucinda Lavender: i think I have...
Eliza Madrigal: just once :)
Agatha Macbeth: No idea
Eliza Madrigal: more likely to wake crying
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Lucinda Lavender: i could not even say what it was about...
Agatha Macbeth lizhugs
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes happy crying (((( )))) so no worries
Eliza Madrigal: sounds wonderful Luci
Bleu Oleander: :)
Lucinda Lavender: does not happen often
Eliza Madrigal: babies giggle in sleep a lot
Lucinda Lavender: I can see it as a healing sort of thing tho
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Lucinda Lavender: something just bubbles out
Bleu Oleander: maybe related to talking in your sleep?
Eliza Madrigal: maybe... thin boundaries and overflow
Lucinda Lavender: could be...I answered the phone a few times...or struggled to. no memory after.
Bleu Oleander: I've done that too :)
Lucinda Lavender: Bleu...have you seen a program about dogs recently on tv?..
Bleu Oleander: yes, on PBS
Bleu Oleander: Nova
Lucinda Lavender: we were earlier talking about how they bond with their humans
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Lucinda Lavender: good to know it was nova so I can revisit
Bleu Oleander: yes available to watch on line now
Lucinda Lavender: I thought the info their was interesting
Lucinda Lavender: there
Bleu Oleander: it was a repeat from last year
Lucinda Lavender: ah ok
Lucinda Lavender: thanks
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I don't often dream of cats, but dogs... even though I have a cat
Bleu Oleander my dogs are smiling
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
Bleu Oleander: :D
Lucinda Lavender: :))
Eliza Madrigal: a friend whose dog passed away recently often comes to her in dreams with a beloved relative who died years ago
Eliza Madrigal: gives her guidance
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: awww nice
Lucinda Lavender: that is nice
Eliza Madrigal: it is, very sweet
Eliza Madrigal: she doesn't come across as very soft... so I think in dreams she must let her guard down more (just my theory)
Bleu Oleander: there's something very poetic about dreams
Eliza Madrigal: true... can 'see' that looking at the projects, quite fascinating
Bleu Oleander: indeed
Bleu Oleander: did you see Storm's?
Bleu Oleander: very nice
--BELL--1400
Eliza Madrigal: really impressive, yes
Lucinda Lavender: yes!
Eliza Madrigal: and yours, Zenji! that must have been difficult
Lucinda Lavender: I have not looked at all of them yet...but will soon.
Bleu Oleander: all really nice!
Eliza Madrigal nods... immersive
Bleu Oleander: will be fun to talk about them on Sunday
Eliza Madrigal: stepping into captured moments and feeling their ephemeralness
Eliza Madrigal: looking forward :)
Zen Arado: not that difficulr ty Eliza
Bleu Oleander: can feel a more intimate sharing of dream spaces
Eliza Madrigal: great effect
Zen Arado: a dream solidified
Lucinda Lavender: do you look at the pictures there and reenter the dream perhaps
Lucinda Lavender: ?
Bleu Oleander: can also see evidence of artistic license in the way we tell our dreams
Eliza Madrigal: the project I chose is just a snippet of a much longer dream and in the telling it is somewhat different
Eliza Madrigal: snap (of sorts)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Lucinda Lavender: can you say more bleu?
Eliza Madrigal: good question Luci... I wonder if more likely to reoccur after making the project
Zen Arado: I've forgotten most of my dream
Bleu Oleander: the visuals we choose, like the words we choose in the telling of the dream narrative
Zen Arado: it was waht the man said made me remember it
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Lucinda Lavender: can you remind us Zen?
Bleu Oleander: I did have a dream about my project after I finished it :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Eliza Madrigal: nice!
Bleu Oleander: with a more intense "redness"
Zen Arado: I asked 'where are we going?'
Zen Arado: and the driver said ' 'you don't need to know where you are going...just enjoy the ride'
Lucinda Lavender: interesting Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Heh
Lucinda Lavender: nodding to Zen...wow
Eliza Madrigal: "seeing red" is usually a term for being angry but in these dreams doesn't seem so at all
Bleu Oleander: dreams are like that ... sit back and enjoy the ride :)
Zen Arado: maybe life should be more like that too
Bleu Oleander: red has always seemed more passionate than angry to me
Eliza Madrigal: merrily merrily merrily merrily?
Zen Arado: I keep trying to question
Eliza Madrigal: yes, that makes sense Bleu
Lucinda Lavender: red is at the end of the spectrum ?
Lucinda Lavender: remember hearing that
Agatha Macbeth: At one end yes
Bleu Oleander: roy g biv
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: starts it up!
Agatha Macbeth: Somewhere over the rainbow
Bleu Oleander: I start all my paintings by painting the canvas red
Lucinda Lavender: really!
Bleu Oleander: gets me past that "blank canvas" thing
Zen Arado: I'm doing a painting of that dream too
Agatha Macbeth: Mind you, that's only the visible spectrum
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: great zen!
Bleu Oleander: also seems to trigger more passion towards the endeavor :)
Lucinda Lavender: well red feels a certain way because of the class I took on color...but it feels rich
Lucinda Lavender: a resouce
Lucinda Lavender: resource
Eliza Madrigal: life's flow
Lucinda Lavender: it would be interesting to assemble some red dreams
Agatha Macbeth: The red path to Shambala
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'm always intrigued by dialog in dreams, like in Zen's
--BELL--1415
Agatha Macbeth: Folks, I'm falling off my stool here...think I'll leave you to it
Lucinda Lavender: For me most dreams have a color in them...the most recent was a purple blue color...
Agatha Macbeth: Take care
Bleu Oleander: :) take care Aggers
Zen Arado: nite Aggers
Lucinda Lavender: nite Agatha
Eliza Madrigal: Nite Night Agatha
Lucinda Lavender: in my dream there was a house that from floor to ceiling was a purple blue color
Bleu Oleander: sounds lovely
Eliza Madrigal: what was the feeling?
Lucinda Lavender: it had white flowers all around
Lucinda Lavender: happy ...ish
Lucinda Lavender: not alot of feeling...more wonderment
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: something that carries into the waking day?
Lucinda Lavender: not usually...
Lucinda Lavender: they feel kind of wispy
Lucinda Lavender: got in a second
Lucinda Lavender: gone
Eliza Madrigal: I've had dreams that were beginnings of magical days, as though the world inside spilled into the one outside... such amazingness
Eliza Madrigal: felt to have some kind of traction
Bleu Oleander: lingering glow
Eliza Madrigal: as though I could look as hard as I liked and couldn't faze it
Lucinda Lavender: nice:)
Eliza Madrigal: :) like felix felicis in harry potter
Lucinda Lavender: I will have to look that up:)
Eliza Madrigal: a magical fountain springing from some little drop
Lucinda Lavender: ah..
Eliza Madrigal: very rare but feels like it shouldn't be?
Lucinda Lavender: nods...I wonder how it all works
Bleu Oleander: big question :)
Lucinda Lavender: I have heard that when there is some kind of opening ...
Lucinda Lavender: like ones life is being changed in some way...
Bleu Oleander: hmmm that would be every day :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes maybe it reflects some processing of inward changes that change vision outwardly?
Eliza Madrigal: fruition of having worked at something
Bleu Oleander: I've been watching the Epigenetics class ... have a new appreciation for life
Eliza Madrigal: am sorry to be missing it :(
Eliza Madrigal listens
Lucinda Lavender: can you say more bleu about it:)
Bleu Oleander: the videos are available now
Bleu Oleander: you can watch anytime
Bleu Oleander: within the window of the course overall time
Bleu Oleander: soooo many complex layers in DNA
Bleu Oleander: I had no idea really
Bleu Oleander: have come much further since I last looked at it
Lucinda Lavender: I can see how it creates appreciation for life..
Bleu Oleander: videos are really cool
Lucinda Lavender: I hope to watch then...
Eliza Madrigal: am really interested... will probably not resist watching
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: hard to understand it all, but good to get an overview
Bleu Oleander: eyes glaze over some of the BIG words lol
Eliza Madrigal: awesome :)
Lucinda Lavender: :))
Eliza Madrigal: "I'm over my head.... but it sure feels nice.."
Bleu Oleander: worth watching anyway
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: last night I was up trying to make a second egg (couldn't sleep) and might have been watching the films,.. especially since the egg didn't work :)
Bleu Oleander: haha
Lucinda Lavender: :)
--BELL--1330
Eliza Madrigal: quiet zen today... must be partied out
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: I caught the tail end of Greek and Roman Mythology ... really interesting ... talks about myth
Eliza Madrigal: metaphorically, mythology seems to be in our dna... stories so similar from place to place and time to time
Bleu Oleander: so many interesting topics
Bleu Oleander: yes
Lucinda Lavender: in the courses you mean?
Lucinda Lavender: or myths?
Bleu Oleander: am reading Dante's Inferno ... was surprised to hear about Virgil's writings being similar over 1300 years earlier
Bleu Oleander: yes a coursera course
Eliza Madrigal: there are very few seeds really
Zen Arado: but not much changed for centuries
Zen Arado: Greek education was handed down without question
Bleu Oleander: hmm I think they suggested questioning everything
Zen Arado: perhaps we forget how static civilizations were long ago
Zen Arado: yes but the great Greek authors were taught I mean
Bleu Oleander: just seems like it to us I think
Eliza Madrigal: and in our time, Aphrodite was yelling from the NDRailroad... kind of symbolic of past meeting future, lol
Zen Arado: and Latin and Greek language
Bleu Oleander: lol
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: I read that somewhere
Bleu Oleander: we actually got here pretty quick if you look at the big picture
Zen Arado: Montaigne 's parents made him speeak Latin around the house
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: ah yes in evolutionary terms
Lucinda Lavender: brb
Eliza Madrigal nods Bleu.. yet still feels like we're lagging somehow
Zen Arado: funny how different viewpoints change things
Eliza Madrigal: or going over and over the same ground
Bleu Oleander: feels like we're moving pretty fast to me
Bleu Oleander: having a hard time keeping up lol
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: speed of change is very fast nowadays
Zen Arado: aka Toffler
Zen Arado: Future Shock
Zen Arado: that was written quite a long time ago
Bleu Oleander: we're already in the future haha
Eliza Madrigal: :) can't catch up with ourselves
Bleu Oleander: saw an interesting quote today ...
Bleu Oleander: "The future and the past are theory. They exist only in records and the thoughts of the present, a fulcrum, in which all stories end and begin."
Eliza Madrigal: really nice
Bleu Oleander: really like that somehow
Zen Arado: yes
Bleu Oleander: John Wheeler
Zen Arado: Tolle says that
Eliza Madrigal: fountain in a drop
Zen Arado: and many teachers
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: not feeling so well... am going to lay down for a bit and hope not to be up all night again :)
Zen Arado: even the present is a dream
Bleu Oleander: ok take care Eliza
Zen Arado: a concept too
Eliza Madrigal: a pleasure to chat for a while, thank you :)
Bleu Oleander: must go as well
Zen Arado: oh sorry Eliza
Bleu Oleander: nice to see you all
Lucinda Lavender: see you all...
Eliza Madrigal: "even the present is a dream" mmmmm
Eliza Madrigal waves warmly, bfn
Bleu Oleander: byeeee
Zen Arado: the concept of it anyway
Zen Arado: byee :)