2013.07.25 07:00 - Living Art Within Limitations

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[07:11] Storm Nordwind: hello Bonito
[07:11] BonitoBonsai Resident: Hello Storm
[07:12] Storm Nordwind: Welcome back :)
[07:12] BonitoBonsai Resident: thankx
[07:13] BonitoBonsai Resident: I was here yesterday
[07:13] BonitoBonsai Resident: with this new avatar
[07:13] Storm Nordwind: Yes.

[07:13] Storm Nordwind: How are you finding it?
[07:13] BonitoBonsai Resident: very nice
[07:13] BonitoBonsai Resident: I was here before several years
[07:13] BonitoBonsai Resident: under other names
[07:13] Storm Nordwind: Yes i remember
[07:13] BonitoBonsai Resident: as Adoro
[07:14] BonitoBonsai Resident: and barca
[07:14] BonitoBonsai Resident: thanx
[07:14] BonitoBonsai Resident: for remembering me
[07:14] Storm Nordwind smiles

[07:14] BonitoBonsai Resident: I appreciate very much your works here
[07:14] Storm Nordwind: You are very kind!
[07:15] BonitoBonsai Resident: you all here are very kind
[07:17] Storm Nordwind: May I ask why you have changed avatars? Please don't answer if it is too personal or confidential!
[07:17] BonitoBonsai Resident: I dont know exactly
[07:17] BonitoBonsai Resident: but I feel fine here
[07:18] BonitoBonsai Resident: but I dont want to keep a long history file
[07:18] Storm Nordwind nods and smiles
[07:18] BonitoBonsai Resident: and changing names is part of the creative experience here
[07:18] Storm Nordwind: yes i can understand that

[07:19] Storm Nordwind: Second Life is a good place to experiment with creativity
[07:19] BonitoBonsai Resident: sure
[07:19] Storm Nordwind: I used to have several avatars here, maybe 6 or 7 years ago.
[07:19] BonitoBonsai Resident: ah
[07:20] Storm Nordwind: It was an exploratory experience
[07:20] Storm Nordwind: But around 6 years ago, I stuck with this one.
[07:20] Storm Nordwind: I hardly even change its clothes! ;)
[07:21] BonitoBonsai Resident: yeah I can imagine
[07:21] BonitoBonsai Resident: at some level of maturity
[07:21] Storm Nordwind: (I should wash them occasionally!)
[07:21] BonitoBonsai Resident: you dont need changes anymore

[07:21] Storm Nordwind: Change will come anyway, unbidden
[07:21] BonitoBonsai Resident: yeah
[07:21] BonitoBonsai Resident: winds of change
[07:21] BonitoBonsai Resident: is a nice song

[07:22] Storm Nordwind: It does not mean I am not open to change or to exploring. I still do so in other virtual worlds. But in Second Life, the need is not there; it fulfilled its function. :)

[07:23] Storm Nordwind: But who knows: surprise may be around the next corner! :)

[07:23] BonitoBonsai Resident: well stated !
[07:23] BonitoBonsai Resident: I associate your name with brainstorms and winds of change
[07:24] Storm Nordwind smiles
[07:24] Storm Nordwind: In business, that is one thing i was known for, by coincidence :)
[07:24] BonitoBonsai Resident: it shows u are a real creative person
[07:25] BonitoBonsai Resident: and your works show it too
[07:25] Storm Nordwind: Some people would use the description "random" rather than "creative"! ;)
[07:25] BonitoBonsai Resident: ah
[07:25] BonitoBonsai Resident: i can imagine

[07:25] BonitoBonsai Resident: creativity is also hard to understand
[07:26] Storm Nordwind: True
[07:26] Storm Nordwind: And Muses can be fickle
[07:26] BonitoBonsai Resident: and many ppl like order in stead of chaos
[07:26] Storm Nordwind: There is comfort in habit
[07:26] BonitoBonsai Resident: yeah
[07:26] BonitoBonsai Resident: but hope in exploration

[07:27] Storm Nordwind: Hmm... I never see it as hope
[07:27] Storm Nordwind: More "wonder"
[07:27] BonitoBonsai Resident: some see it as leaving the now
[07:27] BonitoBonsai Resident: and looking away for the truth
[07:28] BonitoBonsai Resident: maybe by idealising
[07:28] BonitoBonsai Resident: you come on new ideas
[07:28] BonitoBonsai Resident: is my opinion

[07:28] Storm Nordwind: Sometimes, limitation brings new ideas.
[07:28] BonitoBonsai Resident: sure
[07:28] Storm Nordwind: The Art as Being project is an example
[07:29] Storm Nordwind: People have constraints for the project and a theme, and they have to produce an artwork within that
[07:29] Storm Nordwind: And there are many superb creations that come from that
[07:29] BonitoBonsai Resident: sure

[07:29] BonitoBonsai Resident: Bonsai is also living art within limitations
[07:31] BonitoBonsai Resident: and the limitation of being silent
[07:31] Storm Nordwind nods and smiles
[07:31] BonitoBonsai Resident: say nothing

[07:33] Storm Nordwind: hello Malinson
[07:33] BonitoBonsai Resident: hi
[07:33] BonitoBonsai Resident: malinson
[07:34] BonitoBonsai Resident: i prefer writing in staed of speaking
[07:34] Storm Nordwind: We record and publish these meetings in text too, so that makes it easier
[07:35] Storm Nordwind: We do have a voice session on Fridays at noon in the Five Bells Pub, just north of here
[07:35] Storm Nordwind: It is not recorded! :)
[07:37] Storm Nordwind: malinson, you might like to take a look at our website. Lots there. You can see why we do what we do. And read a little about what we've done. I understand that it doesn't attract everyone though! :)
[07:38] BonitoBonsai Resident: oh
[07:38] Storm Nordwind waves
[07:38] BonitoBonsai Resident: wow
[07:39] Storm Nordwind shrugs
[07:39] BonitoBonsai Resident: a phi;osophy guy
[07:39] Storm Nordwind: Trolls take many forms ;-)
[07:39] BonitoBonsai Resident: - * - = +
[07:39] Storm Nordwind smiles

[07:40] BonitoBonsai Resident: serendipity is the positive word for random
[07:41] Storm Nordwind: haha - yes!
[07:41] Storm Nordwind: It's all how you look at things

[07:41] BonitoBonsai Resident: u made many creative things possible to happen here
[07:42] Storm Nordwind: I hope so. That's what I've wanted.
[07:42] Storm Nordwind: Maybe I could do and could have done better
[07:42] Storm Nordwind: But refining to perfection is impossible
[07:42] Storm Nordwind: And nothing would ever have got done had i tried!

[07:42] BonitoBonsai Resident: sure
[07:42] BonitoBonsai Resident: wise man
[07:42] BonitoBonsai Resident: what is your age ?
[07:43] Storm Nordwind: For "wise" read "pragmatic" ;-)
[07:43] BonitoBonsai Resident: ok
[07:43] Storm Nordwind: Age in RL?
[07:43] BonitoBonsai Resident: yeah ?
[07:43] BonitoBonsai Resident: u dont need to say
[07:43] Storm Nordwind: I'm in my 60s
[07:43] BonitoBonsai Resident: me too
[07:43] BonitoBonsai Resident: interesting

[07:44] Storm Nordwind: When I was first building my avatar, old men were hard to create. Now it's easier but people though this as me, so I keep it
[07:44] Storm Nordwind: *though -> know
[07:44] BonitoBonsai Resident: yeah
[07:44] BonitoBonsai Resident: its the illusion of anti-aging
[07:44] BonitoBonsai Resident: here
[07:45] Storm Nordwind: I don't pay much attention to it, i have to say
[07:46] BonitoBonsai Resident: me neither
[07:46] BonitoBonsai Resident: but cometics earn a lot of
[07:46] BonitoBonsai Resident: anti-aging
[07:47] BonitoBonsai Resident: cosmetics

[07:47] Storm Nordwind: There was a time i did pay attention to it. that was before the advent of voice here...
[07:47] BonitoBonsai Resident: ah
[07:48] Storm Nordwind: I found that I was able to tell the true age, gender and often nationality of the person behind an avatar within a few minutes. I've lost that ability now - it served its purpose
[07:48] Storm Nordwind: Just from text chat

[07:48] Storm Nordwind: The purpose came when I met my wife here, or the person who would become my wife
[07:48] BonitoBonsai Resident: ah
[07:49] BonitoBonsai Resident: my son met his girlfriend on Habohotel internet
[07:49] BonitoBonsai Resident: now he lives with here in RL
[07:49] Storm Nordwind: She presented a young woman, but I knew she was older than me. I knew also she was a 'she'. She was worried i would reject her because of her age. But I already knew that!
[07:50] Storm Nordwind: *as a young woman
[07:50] BonitoBonsai Resident: great story !
[07:50] Storm Nordwind: That was in 2007. After that, the need for this ability declined
[07:50] BonitoBonsai Resident: ok
[07:51] BonitoBonsai Resident: what was the role of chatting or speaking for difference ?
[07:51] Storm Nordwind: I sorry, I don't understand the question :)
[07:52] Storm Nordwind: *I'm
[07:52] Storm Nordwind: /me's typing this morning is all over the place

[07:52] BonitoBonsai Resident: did u recognise gender and age and country from chat or speak ?
[07:52] Storm Nordwind: Just text chat
[07:52] BonitoBonsai Resident: oh
[07:53] BonitoBonsai Resident: by analysing the texts ?
[07:53] Storm Nordwind: And some ways that they moved their avatar
[07:53] BonitoBonsai Resident: interesting
[07:53] Storm Nordwind: It was intuitive rather than analytical, I think
[07:54] Storm Nordwind: or rather if you ask me how i did it so reliably, I'd have to say I don't know!
[07:54] Storm Nordwind: though that may just be laziness! ;-))
[07:54] BonitoBonsai Resident: ah
[07:54] BonitoBonsai Resident: strategic laziness
[07:54] BonitoBonsai Resident: can be very helpfull
[07:54] Storm Nordwind is famous for being lazy
[07:55] BonitoBonsai Resident: for young ppl to develop there talents
[07:55] Storm Nordwind nods and smiles

[07:55] BonitoBonsai Resident: so we are both old guys with experience
[07:56] Storm Nordwind chuckles
[07:56] BonitoBonsai Resident: and u have interest in ppl and in bulding techniques
[07:56] BonitoBonsai Resident: building
[07:56] BonitoBonsai Resident: or developing
[07:56] BonitoBonsai Resident: I like trends in design
[07:57] BonitoBonsai Resident: and the stories behind it
[07:57] BonitoBonsai Resident: always searching for new combinations
[07:57] BonitoBonsai Resident: even when they are old

[07:58] Storm Nordwind: Sorry about that. My viewer crashed
[07:58] BonitoBonsai Resident: ok
[07:58] BonitoBonsai Resident: np
[07:59] BonitoBonsai Resident: u are working or retired ?
[07:59] BonitoBonsai Resident: or both ?
[07:59] Storm Nordwind: Retirement has crept up on me by default
[07:59] Storm Nordwind: I have stuff to do.
[07:59] Storm Nordwind: I have stuff to write.
[07:59] Storm Nordwind: People to help.
[08:01] BonitoBonsai Resident: So u cannot be lazy
[08:02] Storm Nordwind: So i am always busy it seems - just not getting paid for it, unless I end up writing best-selling books of course! ;)
[08:02] BonitoBonsai Resident: ah

[08:03] Storm Nordwind: My purported laziness is usually what i tell people when i don't share their sense of priorities! ;-)
[08:03] BonitoBonsai Resident: yeah
[08:03] BonitoBonsai Resident: well stated !
[08:03] BonitoBonsai Resident: or their sense of urgency
[08:04] Storm Nordwind: indeed
[08:04] BonitoBonsai Resident: subtile
[08:04] BonitoBonsai Resident: superb

[08:04] BonitoBonsai Resident: oh i have to go dinner
[08:04] BonitoBonsai Resident: now
[08:04] BonitoBonsai Resident: my wife calls me
[08:04] Storm Nordwind: OK. Bon appetit
[08:04] BonitoBonsai Resident: thnx for interstng chat
[08:04] Storm Nordwind: You too
[08:04] BonitoBonsai Resident: bye
[08:05] Storm Nordwind: Bye