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2013.07.28 08:00 - Guardians Session: Playing, Games and Music
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No headersAttending today's Guardians Session were Aggers, Bleu, Cat, Yaku, Sun, Eos, Maude, Eliza, Zen, and a visitor, Isabel.
Themes for the next two weeks chosen:
a. Games and Gaming
b. Music (Simply Music, Musical Being, Bemused, Musicality of Being, etc...)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Aggers :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Wocher
Catrinamonblue: Hi Aggers :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello :)
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): hello
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi all
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): exhilarating session just now... everyone's curiosities sparking together
Zen (zen.arado): Hi all
Bleu (bleu.oleander): indeed :)
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): hi
Bleu (bleu.oleander): might be an interesting theme "games and gaming"?
Catrinamonblue: Hi Eos :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Eos
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Eos :)
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): Hello eos
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): might be, Bleu!
Eos Amaterasu: hi beings!
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Eos
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hi E
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): games and gaming seems like a small topic but it opens and opens it seems
Zen (zen.arado): the game of life
Zen (zen.arado): of relationships
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): On the game
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): that's an interesting angle Zen
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Yaku :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes everything from pac-man to chess to life ... lots of game conversations
Zen (zen.arado): notice lots treat relationships more like a game in SL
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Yak
-- Maude -- (dr42): One concept that has come up is "Music Monday". For the last few weeks, we have talked about music that interests us during Sunshine's Monday Session.
Zen (zen.arado): or is that just my perspective?
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Yaku
Catrinamonblue: I agree with you Zen
Bleu (bleu.oleander): SL as game ... can be
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): Hi snoopy
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): nice rhythm for Mondays, Maude
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): I mean yaku
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hiya Yaku
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Sunshine :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): Sunji :)
Sunshine (szavanna): Liz ❤
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey sunshine
Sunshine (szavanna): hi everyone :)
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Sunji :)
Catrinamonblue: Hi Sun
Bleu (bleu.oleander): ♥ *•.¸♥¸.•* ♥
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): Hi sunshine
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): there are game aspects to all relationships maybe, and then moments to drop that
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Yak & Sun
Eos Amaterasu: Hi shine of sun
Zen (zen.arado): the game of love
Catrinamonblue: Sry going to have to run will read later
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): okay Cat, see you again soon
Bleu (bleu.oleander): waves to Cat
Eos Amaterasu: mutual back & forth of relationship
Zen (zen.arado): bye Cat
Eos Amaterasu: what is play, what is game?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods...economy game
Zen (zen.arado): game is structured
Eos Amaterasu: WoW vs SL: game vs play?
-- Maude -- (dr42): Structured, but not always fair.
Zen (zen.arado): or more structured
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): was saying earlier that sometimes I only know I'm playing a game, in retrospect
Zen (zen.arado): don't know what SL is
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): confusing
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Zen (zen.arado): or RL either come to think of it
Zen (zen.arado): :)
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): SL= confusing
Zen (zen.arado): life = confusing
Eos Amaterasu: + don't know what it means to know :-)
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): nods:)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): another deep subject
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes
Zen (zen.arado): allowing confusion
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): know self
-- Maude -- (dr42): "To Know"? In what context?
Zen (zen.arado): or trying to structure it
Bleu (bleu.oleander): what it means to be "certain" of what one knows
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and if not certain, does one have to pretend, to play the game?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): pretending to know
Eos Amaterasu: or is the play part enabled by not fully knowing?
Zen (zen.arado): play - discovery
Zen (zen.arado): =
Zen (zen.arado): playing to know
Zen (zen.arado): ?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): what's the prize?
Eos Amaterasu: play as knowing
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): People
Bleu (bleu.oleander): play to win
Zen (zen.arado): or less loss
Zen (zen.arado): avoidance of pain of losing
Eos Amaterasu: enjoying both losing it
-- Maude -- (dr42): Are all games zero sum?
Eos Amaterasu: sumtimes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): that, is a great question.. if not zero sum, still a game or something else?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): does anyone ever play to lose?
Zen (zen.arado): I have been beating a woman at scrabble every game for 6 months..should I keep doing that?
Zen (zen.arado): or stop
Zen (zen.arado): not fair somehow
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): She still plays doesnt she:) has to be a reason
Bleu (bleu.oleander): Non-Zero .... good book lol
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I do like to play people who are better than me... get in over my head
Zen (zen.arado): perhaps I don't like losing
Bleu (bleu.oleander): how you learn?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): well, not just
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): perhaps she is waiting to win one day
Zen (zen.arado): she has won in the past but long time ago
Eos Amaterasu: for children, worlds seem to come into being through play
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): maybe she likes you
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): not the game
Zen (zen.arado): hmm not sure of that
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): true Eos
Eos Amaterasu: first you play, then you be?
Zen (zen.arado): nice thought though
-- Maude -- (dr42): I have written computer ganes that play to maintain a constant score e.g. win by 2 points, lose by 10 points, etc. It adjusts from game to game based on previous play.
Zen (zen.arado): how to be a loser
Zen (zen.arado): hmm
Zen (zen.arado): new course?
Zen (zen.arado): like a handicap
Zen (zen.arado): ?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): what was your aim behind that idea Maude?
Zen (zen.arado): winning and losing games ...so important to people
-- Maude -- (dr42): You don't want to play "Deep Blue" at chess, do you, no hope of winning?
Zen (zen.arado): wonders why
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): Ego zen?
Zen (zen.arado): ego perhaps
Zen (zen.arado): yep
Bleu (bleu.oleander): lol deep Bleu
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ah, I see.. regulates the depth
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so... "games and gaming" the first week, and for the next...?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): (tries to get back on course)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :))
-- Maude -- (dr42): I would like to revisit "Music Monday"
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): Always off course :)
Zen (zen.arado): ys good topic
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): to have music as a topic?
Zen (zen.arado): for me anyway :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): music in general?
-- Maude -- (dr42): Yes, but each week, not for an entire week.
Bleu (bleu.oleander): music a life's score
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I agree it has had a nice rhythm that way
Zen (zen.arado): ah a Sunji music session
-- Maude -- (dr42): one session each week, that is.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): when Sun is present things tend to be musical :)
Sunshine (szavanna): yes it goes all noisy
Zen (zen.arado): :)
Sunshine (szavanna): ;D
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): lol
Sunshine (szavanna): so I was wondering if we can keep that format?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): it seems really nice
Sunshine (szavanna): would love to hear everyone's ideas
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): only excludes those who have difficulty opening other windows, but even then can do so later
-- Maude -- (dr42): Yesterday, with Bruce, we talked of "Software Saturday" and, of course, the alliteration got simply silly.
Zen (zen.arado): pity we can't play music through stream at pavilion
Sunshine (szavanna): its not soo PaB-y if we have music
Zen (zen.arado): no extra window needed then
Bleu (bleu.oleander): depends on the music maybe or how we react to it?
Zen (zen.arado): though people might need to look up music though
Sunshine (szavanna): well they don't have to
-- Maude -- (dr42): Why cannot music be played via parcel stream at the pavilion?
Zen (zen.arado): nobody has permission only Storm
Zen (zen.arado): to put music URL in land
-- Maude -- (dr42): Split it into a seperate parcel and allow others to set it. ??
Zen (zen.arado): not allowed though
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): can't really answer for Storm about the reasons for particular decisions
Zen (zen.arado): people don't want music at pavilion I guess
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but over the years yes it has been the case most have liked quiet generally outside of events
Zen (zen.arado): there are reasons
Zen (zen.arado): yes
-- Maude -- (dr42): That is all doable.
Zen (zen.arado): though just need to turn sound off
Zen (zen.arado): if you don't like it
Zen (zen.arado): as I do most places
Eos Amaterasu: makes realities more schizoid
Sunshine (szavanna): hmm I think its ok to use youtubes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods
Sunshine (szavanna): nice to see the visuals too
Zen (zen.arado): yes Sunji ..as long as people can open second window
Sunshine (szavanna): true
-- Maude -- (dr42): Could simply rez a media prim and have it play from youtube.
Zen (zen.arado): most can now I guess
Sunshine (szavanna): so it only works for those that can open another app
Zen (zen.arado): yes can do that Maude
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I'm not sure why the restrictions but it likely has to do with the basic pab format we began with, of exploration of pauses
Zen (zen.arado): some have slow computers I think?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): music of the pauses :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles
Sunshine (szavanna): or may be ...we could try to do a music session separate?
Sunshine (szavanna): ponders
Zen (zen.arado): but better to be at pavilion I guess
Zen (zen.arado): people turn up
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): i don´t think the music session should be seperate
Zen (zen.arado): talking too much ..will keep quiet
Sunshine (szavanna): I am open to whatever is the general feel about this
Eos Amaterasu: a music party after 28 days of silent sitting meditation has a whole different quality
Sunshine (szavanna): giggles
Eos Amaterasu: hard to do that after just 90 seconds of pausing
-- Maude -- (dr42): If I were to choose between the normal 7 AM session and a Music Monday session, I would attend the later.
Sunshine (szavanna): scratching head - may be we should stick to the general format
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): it seems like there is room for music in the basic format overall?
Sunshine (szavanna): °͜° I like both
Bleu (bleu.oleander): I too like your music mondays Sunji
Zen (zen.arado): me too
Sunshine (szavanna): usually what happens is
Sunshine (szavanna): we listen to one youtube link per person
Sunshine (szavanna): and then we chat about it if there is anything to say
Bleu (bleu.oleander): (sounds PaBish)
Sunshine (szavanna): and if there is time we repeat
Sunshine (szavanna): does it?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): does yes
Zen (zen.arado): 'Just another music Monday' ..... :)
Sunshine (szavanna): lol yes
Sunshine (szavanna): somehow the noise comes with me lol ...wherever I go
Sunshine (szavanna): I should learn to meditate @@
-- Maude -- (dr42): Monday Monday, so good to me,
Monday Monday, it was all I hoped it would be
Bleu (bleu.oleander): noisy Sunji lol
Sunshine (szavanna): but basically its nothing fixed
Eos Amaterasu: "being musically" as a theme? [Eliza apologizes for missing this line in session :)]
Sunshine (szavanna): we will have the sessions based on who comes anyway
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I remember when we began to do topics at all there was some worry that we'd leave not enough room for spontaneity
-- Maude -- (dr42): wb
Sunshine (szavanna): wb Aga :)
Zen (zen.arado): the musicality of being
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): perhaps that's what we're really protecting
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): wb Aggers :)
Zen (zen.arado): wb Aggers
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): wb aga
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Sunday bloody sunday
Sunshine (szavanna): lol
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so if a session naturally opens into music that seems wonderful, or if it tends that way
Sunshine (szavanna): yes
Eos Amaterasu: 3 minute pop songs create ways of being
Sunshine (szavanna): if not that is perfect also
Zen (zen.arado): 'Lazy Sunday Afternoon'
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) that's perfect also
Sunshine (szavanna): :)
Sunshine (szavanna): ok so lets see for another 2 weeks how it goes
Sunshine (szavanna): and may be we can talk about it again next guardian session
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so if one attends Sun's Monday 7am one is likely to take part in a musical session....
Sunshine (szavanna): yes
Zen (zen.arado): very likely :)
Sunshine (szavanna): for the next 2 weeks
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
Sunshine (szavanna): don't get a fright ;D
Winds...
Winds...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but not guaranteed... wind may change
Sunshine (szavanna): yes
Sunshine (szavanna): says Ms Poppins
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): windy mondays
Sunshine (szavanna): yes windy Mondays comin up
Zen (zen.arado): winds of change
Sunshine (szavanna): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): can email or IM Storm too, for questions about exceptions to streams etc
Bleu (bleu.oleander): brings dust storms here lol
Sunshine (szavanna): August is a windy month in SA
Sunshine (szavanna): °͜°
-- Maude -- (dr42): Remember the Wind and the Rain
Bleu (bleu.oleander): here too
Sunshine (szavanna): ah really
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): nice... not here in Miami... humid, a bit more stagnant
Zen (zen.arado): thunderstorms here today
Bleu (bleu.oleander): monsoon season here
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): although, hurricane season builds... in which case...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): heard it was pretty warm in Europe?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Still is
Sunshine (szavanna): still hot?
Zen (zen.arado): low twenties atm
Zen (zen.arado): here in Ireland
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): I have to go but nice too meet all of you have a happy Sunday:)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks for coming Isabel :) see you soon
Zen (zen.arado): bye Isabel
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye Isabel
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye isabel
Sunshine (szavanna): I must go take care all - have a great week :))
ÎsaЪeĻ (alysabelle): bye bye:)
Sunshine (szavanna): see you for musical monday :))
Zen (zen.arado): byee Sunji :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye Sunji
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye Sunji, good to see you
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): and bye sun
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so... hm... 2nd week's topic?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye Sunny
-- Maude -- (dr42): Frizzle, Frazzle, Frozzle, Fromme,
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye Maude, too :) tc
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye Maude
Zen (zen.arado): bye Maude
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): /me waves
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): don't all shout at once
Bleu (bleu.oleander): lol
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): OI!
Bleu (bleu.oleander): did we pick 2 themes?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I don't think so
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): What was the first one?
Eos Amaterasu: & variations
Zen (zen.arado): could still talk about music as a theme?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): we have "games and gaming" and then a validation that Mondays can be musical.. as can others
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): true
Zen (zen.arado): Sunji's is a practical demonstration more
Zen (zen.arado): the music of being or something?
Eos Amaterasu: music as state of mind?
Zen (zen.arado): humankind and music
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): interesting... so which, hm, how to phrase
Bleu (bleu.oleander): rhythm of being?
Eos Amaterasu: musing as being?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth) examines Sun's legs
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): not helping, lol
Eos Amaterasu: "we are bemused"
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :))
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bemused ^^
Zen (zen.arado): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so difficult to pin these topics down sometimes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): they resist
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes they fight back
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Snap
Eos Amaterasu: ¿
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): very bemusing
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :))
Zen (zen.arado): what does music mean to you?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bemused bothered and bewildered
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): /me smiles
Zen (zen.arado): not very snappy
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): B Muse and A Muse
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): now have that tune in mind
Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Gangnam?
Zen (zen.arado): whispers: am I ?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): one of my favorites... sigh...
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): hehe
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): What is music?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): a song in my heart
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): ♥
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles
Bleu (bleu.oleander): ♥ *•.¸♥¸.•* ♥
Zen (zen.arado): sounds structured into a pattern?
Zen (zen.arado): produced by humans
Zen (zen.arado): usually
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Or birds
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): or whales
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Or Scotland
Eos Amaterasu: or cells
Zen (zen.arado): that's why I made qualification :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): or the Beachboys
Zen (zen.arado): the music of the spheres
Eos Amaterasu: good vibrations
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Good vibrations
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Snap
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): vibration variations
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): well... we may end up with simply "MUSIC" as a topic
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Zen (zen.arado): yeh
Bleu (bleu.oleander): "simply music"
Zen (zen.arado): leave it wide open
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): nice
Eos Amaterasu: vibrating strings R us
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): see how we play it
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
Zen (zen.arado): play it by ear
Zen (zen.arado): :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Lady in red
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): any other guardian topics? lol
Bleu (bleu.oleander): so once more for the PaB admin dept ... themes are: ?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): themes are "games and gaming" and "simply music" or "music"
Bleu (bleu.oleander): ty :)
Zen (zen.arado): byee all then
Eos Amaterasu joins standing sunshine
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks everyone :) lovely to SEE you
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Eos Amaterasu: thanks all! ciao!
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye all ... have a great Sunday
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): well, happy week everyone
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): happy week snoopy
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): You have the log Liz?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I do!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thank you for asking
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Good
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye Bleu :) and Sunshine
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): IM me if you lost any
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks so much... am getting it before I sign off
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): to be sure
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): To be sure to be sure
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)) hugs
Aggers (agatha.macbeth) hugz 2
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