2013.07.11 13:00 - Hello Sailor

The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Agatha Macbeth: 's current display-name is "Aggers".

-BELL--1300
Wol Euler: greetings!
Agatha Macbeth: Oh there you are ♥
Wol Euler: sorry I'm late
Qt Core: Hi Wol, Agatha
Wol Euler: hello qt
Agatha Macbeth: I was just looking to see if you'd sent a message saying you weren't coming
Agatha Macbeth: Sera QT
Agatha Macbeth: Chives ok? (This is a Facebook reference)
Agatha Macbeth: :p
Wol Euler: heheh, yes thanks
Agatha Macbeth: Glad to hear it
Wol Euler: very tasty
Agatha Macbeth: I can't actually remember what they taste like now
Agatha Macbeth: Hello K
Wol Euler: green :)
Agatha Macbeth: They taste green?
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: Synesthesia rocks eh
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth waves to Korel
Agatha Macbeth: We're over here
--BELL--1315
Wol Euler: ow!
Agatha Macbeth: Scrambled
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: So if everyone pleasantly warm?
Wol Euler: pleasantly cool actually, high today was around 24
Wol Euler: bliss!
Agatha Macbeth: 24 is cool?
Wol Euler: mmhm
Agatha Macbeth: Wow thin blood
Wol Euler: what, do you find it hot?
Agatha Macbeth: I don't really care for anything above 20 tbh
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: 20 is just right
Agatha Macbeth: Lucky I'm not where Bleu is
Wol Euler: yeah
Wol Euler: boss was telling me about a TV program he was watching, a docu about a team of geographers doing something I can't remember in the Sahara
Wol Euler: midday temperatures of 60°C
Wol Euler: ridiculous!
Agatha Macbeth: Making maps?
Wol Euler: perhaps that, yeah :)
Agatha Macbeth: Tho there can't be much to map I wouldn't think
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: mostly sand, yes
Wol Euler: so either nothing to be mapped or far too much to be mapped :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hence the name :p
Wol Euler: though apparently only a few millenia ago, it was an inland sea
Wol Euler: and had vegetation until a few centuries back
Agatha Macbeth: I know the Med the Black Sea and the Caspian were all one body of water once
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Which is why they are salty of course
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: so they say
Wol Euler: never tasted them, m'self
Agatha Macbeth: I tasted the Med once as a kid
Agatha Macbeth: It was salty
Wol Euler: oh yes, the med, of course
Wol Euler: stands to reason, tasting the med
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Accidentally
Wol Euler: hello korel
Korel Laloix: brb
Agatha Macbeth: Ah you arrived
Qt Core: i think i tasted it several times... never been a great swimmer
Wol Euler grins.
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Agatha Macbeth: Pretty sure I was in Italy at the time
Wol Euler: are you sure you weren't in the Med?
Agatha Macbeth: Same thing
Wol Euler: or did somebody bring you a glass of it?
Wol Euler: "here, taste this."
Agatha Macbeth: Nope, swimming
Wol Euler: ah :)
Agatha Macbeth: Is Genoa near the coast? That rings a bell
Qt Core: still inside the 12 miles limit ò'=
Wol Euler: definitely a port city
Qt Core: it is just a seaport city
Agatha Macbeth: Might have been there then
Wol Euler: wasn't Chris Columbus originally from there?
Qt Core: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Before he became American :p
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: I seem to remember the Zen brothers too
Wol Euler: who were they=
Wol Euler: ?
Agatha Macbeth: More sailors
Wol Euler: ah
Agatha Macbeth: Seems the world was full of them in those days
Wol Euler: well, only way to get around
Wol Euler: other than walking, which had certain firm limits
--BELL--1330
Agatha Macbeth: Then there was Henry the Navigator of course
Wol Euler: hmmmm
Wol Euler: Hudson?
Agatha Macbeth: He has a bay
Wol Euler: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_the_Navigator
Wol Euler: I don'T think I've ever heard of him
Agatha Macbeth: You haven't?
Agatha Macbeth: What a sheltered life you archies do lead
Annelies Fratica: 's current display-name is "杏".
Annelies Fratica: hi everyone ;)
Agatha Macbeth: Are we supposed to be talking about something?
Qt Core: )they hate water, canàt build on it ò'=
Zen Arado: 's current display-name is "Zen".
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zenny
Wol Euler: hello zen, hello annalies
Qt Core: hi annalies, zen
Zen Arado: Hi all
Wol Euler: have we met before? your name seems familiar
Annelies Fratica: I vaguely know what happens here, vaguely ;), let me just see what happens
Agatha Macbeth: We've met Zen loads of times
Wol Euler: :-P
Qt Core: )and i thought i did correct the spelling...=
Annelies Fratica: I was here before too, couple of times
Zen Arado: yes I've been here before
Agatha Macbeth: Hello chinese lady
Zen Arado: you can use my name
Annelies Fratica: SL Japanese ^^
Agatha Macbeth: Have I seen you at Kira?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: I seem to know you from the dream sessions
Annelies Fratica: yes, i forgot that place, seemed promising although
Annelies Fratica: yes, been there
Wol Euler: ahhhhhhh that may be it
Agatha Macbeth: Have you ever been here before?
Wol Euler smiles.
Annelies Fratica: a couple of times
Agatha Macbeth: So you're ok with recording then?
Annelies Fratica: yes, no problem
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Agatha Macbeth: TY
Agatha Macbeth: Or should I say arigato
Annelies Fratica: fine too. SL Japanese, RL Belgian ^^
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Has Buyeo been fixed now Zen?
Agatha Macbeth: After your recent adventure
Agatha Macbeth waves a hand in front of Zen's face
Zen Arado: yes ok now
Agatha Macbeth: Ah good
Zen Arado: after restart yesterday
Agatha Macbeth: Yes that was quite annoying for you
Zen Arado: c'est la vie
Agatha Macbeth: C'est vrai
Zen Arado: la seconde vie
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Mon dieu
Zen Arado: deuxieme vie je pense
Agatha Macbeth: I must remember to tell Stormy the TP for Bieup lands you inside a pillar
Annelies Fratica: ouai ;)
Agatha Macbeth: Odd that
Annelies Fratica: hehe, that's to make people into pillar saints, maybe
DR42 Resident: 's current display-name is "Chiff Chaff".
Agatha Macbeth: Pillar of salt maybe
Zen Arado: I'm making a note card about using apostrophes
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Chiff
Zen Arado: Which you all know about I'm sure
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good Zenny
Agatha Macbeth: Bit like collecting stamps?
Wol Euler smiles.
DR42 Resident: ηαмαѕтє
Wol Euler: hello chiff
Annelies Fratica: Hi Chiff Chaff (I know the bird ^^)
Agatha Macbeth: Or trainspotting
Zen Arado: It's important though to know when to use them correctly
Agatha Macbeth: Yes never put them in plurals
Agatha Macbeth: Very irritating
Zen Arado: what do you mean?
Agatha Macbeth: People who put apostrophes in plurals
DR42 Resident: Your sure that you're using yours' correctly?
DR42 Resident: (s)
Zen Arado: and not being possessive yes
Agatha Macbeth: Yah
--BELL--1345
Zen Arado: like on shop signs
Zen Arado: not sure I understand it myself :-)
DR42 Resident: I had a teacher quite some time ago that would give you an "A" on a test if, at every possible location, you used incorrect punctuation.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah good I can see the ring again now
Annelies Fratica: I am quite good in spelling, my mother tongue is Dutch.
DR42 Resident: Well, all of you, except Zen, are off in the corner of the region. :)
Agatha Macbeth: We are?
Zen Arado: do they use apostrophes in other languages?
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Qt Core: yes, we italian do
Annelies Fratica: yes French and Dutch, they both have them
Agatha Macbeth: Is it that sitting down thing again?
Zen Arado: Okay
Zen Arado: where am I then?
Wol Euler: ???
Wol Euler: is this a riddle?
Agatha Macbeth: I've seen it happen at the café too
Zen Arado: Well, all of you, except Zen, are off in the corner of the region. :)
Agatha Macbeth: People vanish when they sit
Wol Euler: ah
Wol Euler: hmmm
DR42 Resident: How can you be two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?
Annelies Fratica: I often get the feeling here, that what I want to say is nonsense. And then I say nothing. Maybe that's becoming zen ;)
Agatha Macbeth: Never seen it happen anywhere else but round here
Zen Arado: I'm the same but then I say something :-)
Qt Core: a few times when trying to sit here i found myself somewhere else around here, usually a few dozem meters below the floor
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Agatha Macbeth: Well that never happened to me yet
Wol Euler: try us, annelies ;)
Agatha Macbeth: I ended up in limbo a couple of times
Zen Arado: I haven't seen that ending up in limbo under water for a long time
Zen Arado: it used to happen regularly when I first came in here
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe to do with peoples' graphic set up
Zen Arado: Second Life has actually improved quite a lot and we forget
Wol Euler: oh yes, definitely
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Zen Arado: or perhaps we have faster computer is now
Zen Arado: computers
Agatha Macbeth: Well having fibre optic and a HD5450 has speeded me up hugely
Agatha Macbeth: Can't believe it's the same PC
Agatha Macbeth: Performance wise
Annelies Fratica: my computer delivered me big fun some months ago, cough cough
Annelies Fratica: Hard disk crash
Agatha Macbeth: Ouch
Zen Arado: oh dear
Agatha Macbeth: Never had one of those
Zen Arado: I'm lucky at that has never happened to me
Wol Euler: lucky
Annelies Fratica: I learned a lesson. luckily they could retreive most of the data
Wol Euler: I hope you do backups now :)
Zen Arado: actually a backup hard drive crashed
Qt Core: if not lacking in backups one of the easiest issue to solve
Zen Arado: I can't get Windows to do a backup for some reason
Zen Arado: so I just back up important things myself
Wol Euler: bah
Agatha Macbeth: It should do them automatically
DR42 Resident: Unless the crash is due to corruption and the backup copy has the same difficulties.
Zen Arado: it asks me to do one every Sunday and then can't do it and I don't understand why
Zen Arado: I have two hard drives on my computer and an external hard drive too
Agatha Macbeth: Are you puttin the right number of CDs in?
Zen Arado: oh no I wouldn't do it on CDs
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Zen Arado: that is the Boreas
Wol Euler: there should be a logfile (text) written about that, zen
Zen Arado: that is supposed to be laborious
Zen Arado: yes but I don't understand that stuff
Agatha Macbeth: Aurora?
Wol Euler: mail it to me, please, I'll have a look
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wolscrutiny
DR42 Resident: I have about 6 terabytes of external disk. DVD's do not work as backup.
Wol Euler: if I can figure it out I'll send some advice
Zen Arado: it tells me I haven't enough room or something and I have plenty of room
Zen Arado: I deleted lots of old backups even
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Wol Euler: heheh
--BELL--1400
Annelies Fratica: I can probably use my Japanese next sunday. I will guide a visitor in my town ;-)
Zen Arado: the cloud is becoming the favoured way for backup
Wol Euler: nice :)
Agatha Macbeth: I don't actually know how that works
Zen Arado: I just use Evernote or dropbox
Zen Arado: I backup for my Journal writing on Evernote it is great
Wol Euler: basically instead of not doing your own backups you can let other people not do them for you :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh that's good
Zen Arado: I write every day in word and then to Evernote
Zen Arado: and it arranges them nicely for me
Zen Arado: because I put a title at the top
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Zen Arado: I save them in word as well of course
Zen Arado: it's easy to save to dropbox as well
Zen Arado: or Google drive
Zen Arado: plenty of places
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Might know google would be in on it
Wol Euler: what worries me about that is the notion of giving all my information to somebody
Annelies Fratica: yep, a bit creepy
Zen Arado: well my ramblings aren't that important I don't think
DR42 Resident used dropbox and google, and a few others, and still does her own backups.
Zen Arado: people write blogs don't they?
Agatha Macbeth: So I hear
Zen Arado: Some people tell the world their most intimate details
Wol Euler: yes but you write that yourself. Nothing goes into that except what you yourself type
Agatha Macbeth: Tho it may be a rumour
DR42 Resident: Wol, if it concers you, then use something like PGP on your files first.
Zen Arado: actually memoirs are not interesting unless you tell people about your struggles
Wol Euler: but maybe I'm just paranoid
Wol Euler: I do my own backups at home
Agatha Macbeth: You? never
Wol Euler: on multiple devices
Annelies Fratica: private pictures, from your vacation or so ...
Zen Arado: I just store music on iTunes as well
Zen Arado: we won't need CDs soon
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, there's a thought
Zen Arado: there's a new Apple computer doesn't have a CD drive I think
Annelies Fratica: Or activities for certain societies or clubs. Like if you're doing things for human rights or environment or so ... Sometimes intelligency services just monitor such activities
Zen Arado: how yes if you are doing something like that you need your privacy
Zen Arado: ah yes
DR42 Resident: There are services that watch twitter and tell you when things of interest to you appear, even if you are not subscribed to them.
Zen Arado: they probably look for keywords in what you write
Wol Euler: the Air laptops don't have CD drives, zen, that may what you are thinking of
Zen Arado: yes but there is a really powerful desktop one that doesn't either I think
Zen Arado: I forget the name of it
Wol Euler: wow
DR42 Resident: Well, you can plug a CD in on a USB port if it is needed.
Annelies Fratica: I am not into any extreme actions or so. And I understand they wanna prevent radicalised elements from doing something bad.
Zen Arado: it's kind of cylindrical
Zen Arado: they probably look for keywords with political connotations
Wol Euler: I'm less worried about governments than about corporations actually
Annelies Fratica: facebook is terrible when it comes to that
Wol Euler: yep
Zen Arado: yes I don't like the way Google email keeps suggesting things based on your writing
DR42 Resident: Somewhere I had the list of Echelon words.
Annelies Fratica: I quit it
Zen Arado: but I think it is just a program
Zen Arado: like if you write about meditation is suggests meditation cushions
DR42 Resident: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/05...e_those_words/
Zen Arado: and places you can go for courses etc
Zen Arado: that's interesting Chiff
DR42 Resident: I am sure words get added to the list all the time.
--BELL--1430
Zen Arado: I remember putting Wikipaedia in search one time
Annelies Fratica: I once participated in a small scall action, we went into a supermarket with a pack of stickers saying "Warning, this product can contain genetically modified products"
Zen Arado: I just spelt it wrong
Zen Arado: but lots of paedophile sites came up and it scared me
Annelies Fratica: two national security guys were there, at the place where we gathered
Annelies Fratica: it was just an innocent action, but they knew what's going on
Zen Arado: where do you live Anne?
Annelies Fratica: we had a list from greenpeace, we put the stickers on certain products
Annelies Fratica: Belgium
Zen Arado: ah ok Americans are pretty much in favour of GM products
Zen Arado: Europeans less so
DR42 Resident: Wrong.
Zen Arado: well that's my impression
Annelies Fratica: yeah, a bit more cautious here about that
DR42 Resident: That is a gross simplification.
Wol Euler: perhaps a higher percentage of Americans are comfortable with it, or perhaps your media doesn't cover the protests as well as ours does
Agatha Macbeth grins
Annelies Fratica: that action was 15 years ago, now I wouldn't do that again. It's a very technical question in the end
Wol Euler: my impression is that American news media basically says whatever any rich person tells it to say
DR42 Resident: One of the fastest growing parts of the food chain is both organic foods and local sourced foods. All the markets have bigger and bigger sections for them.
Wol Euler: glad to hear that :)
DR42 Resident: Depends on which new media you pay attention to.
Zen Arado: the problem is with Third World countries not the rich ones
Annelies Fratica: genetic modification is an interesting technology, but as with a lot of technologies, we see the bad effect only later on
Zen Arado: is it better to allow people to starve or use GM?
Zen Arado: GM certainly has risks
DR42 Resident: It is upsetting when it is used by the big multinationals to control the food sources and therefor their profits.
Wol Euler: starvation isn't the point, and GM risks starvation too
Wol Euler: right
Wol Euler: GM crops don't germinate
Wol Euler: when you plant normal seeds, you get normal seeds back, you can eat them or keep them to plant next year
Annelies Fratica: hmm, I think the economical system is a large factor in the shortage of food in certain parts of the world
Wol Euler: GM seeds are once-only, you have to buy new seed every year
Wol Euler: so you are entirely dependent on the goodwill and price policy of Monsanta
DR42 Resident: Not all of them. There was a larger farm that had some GM seeds get blown into their fields and Monsanto, IIRC, sued them for patent infringement.
Wol Euler: *Monsanto
Wol Euler: true
Wol Euler: but the legalese is that they do not germinate and you do not own the results if they do
Annelies Fratica: Monsanto is the devil (haha, but maybe yes)
Wol Euler: anyway, it's getting late, fascinating and important though this is I must move
Wol Euler: on
Annelies Fratica: okies, see you
Agatha Macbeth: Moi aussi
Wol Euler: goodnight, take care, be healthy and well-informed
Zen Arado: kk niteWol
DR42 Resident: Well, non-goodbye, as I never saw you.
Wol Euler: and make your backups!
Qt Core: bye Wol, Aga
Zen Arado: :)
DR42 Resident: Ha, you popped in when you stood up
Agatha Macbeth: Ciao
Zen Arado: I've seen that happen before – everyone invisible until they stood up
DR42 Resident: Yes, a new bug. It seems to be in the recent code base that went out with SSB.
Zen Arado: nite Aggers
Annelies Fratica: there is already something going on with a product from Monsanto, "neonicotinoids" that make bees die
Zen Arado: lots of modern agricultural methods seem to cause problems
Zen Arado: they always have done I guess
Zen Arado: it's getting harder to feed the world population as it grows
DR42 Resident: Yes, it has been in the news. it has the impact on pollination.
Annelies Fratica: the methods change and change, and get more and more impact
Zen Arado: I remember reading something about Monsanto making farmers dependent on their seeds some way but I forgotten it
DR42 Resident: We could feed the world for a year with what is spent on weapons in a day.
Zen Arado: I did a course on plants and people about three years ago
Zen Arado: it was very interesting
DR42 Resident: Cousera has some interesting classes on genetics and GMs
Zen Arado: although why forgotten most of it
Zen Arado: I have
--BELL--1445
Zen Arado: mankind has always tampered with plants
Zen Arado: and animals
Zen Arado: I better go
DR42 Resident: Bye, I must depart as well.
Zen Arado: nite
Qt Core: bye Zen, CHiff
Annelies Fratica: bye bye
Qt Core: i have to go, bye Korel
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Korel Laloix: Me as well.
Annelies Fratica: 's current display-name is "杏".
Annelies Fratica: ^^
Annelies Fratica: See you, Korel
Korel Laloix: ciao