The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth. I sat alone until the first bell, then Wollie arrived.

Agatha Macbeth: 's current display-name is "Aggers".
--BELL--1300
--BELL--1315
Wol Euler: ah, you are here after all :)
Wol Euler: hello aggers
Agatha Macbeth: What time d'you call this?
Wol Euler: late, yeah
Wol Euler: sorry
Agatha Macbeth pokes you
Agatha Macbeth: Work?
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: preparing for holiday
Wol Euler: lots to get done
Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
Agatha Macbeth: When?
Wol Euler: and we have a competition due three weeks after I get back
Wol Euler: so that has to be prodded into motion before the 1st
Agatha Macbeth: I see
Agatha Macbeth: Will it be a hard prod?
Wol Euler: there's a lot of inertia to overcome
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Agatha Macbeth: You're off to Canada?
Eliza Madrigal: 's current display-name is "Eliza".
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Liz
Wol Euler: milwaukee first for four days, the wedding anniversary aka FractureCon4
Wol Euler: hello eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Oh good
Eliza Madrigal: Hello ladies :)
Agatha Macbeth: How's our Lizzie?
Eliza Madrigal: I've given up on trying to answer that :P
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eliza Madrigal: I've "dropped" it, lol
Agatha Macbeth: Sleeping I hope?
Wol Euler: heheh
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Agatha Macbeth: Well that's a step in the right direction
Wol Euler: good :)
Eliza Madrigal: my timeline is nudged a bit forward, but I am indeed sleeping
Eliza Madrigal: thanks so much :)
Agatha Macbeth ponders a nudged timeline
Eliza Madrigal: all packed, Wol?
Wol Euler: well, I'm so glad to hear it. I was a bit worried about you going for days without sleep
Wol Euler: no, not yet :)
Eliza Madrigal: me too, tbh
Wol Euler: where are you going?
Eliza Madrigal: aren't you leaving within days?
Wol Euler: yes :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Agatha Macbeth: Wollie waits until the plane is leaving before she packs :p
Eliza Madrigal: yes I see
Wol Euler: right
Eliza Madrigal: where am I going?
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: Where are we all going?
Eliza Madrigal: you mean the piano?
Wol Euler: oh, wait, you said "me too" about your sleep
Wol Euler: duh
Wol Euler: sorry
Eliza Madrigal: lollol
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we need to nudge the timeline
Wol Euler blames the heat.
Agatha Macbeth: Moi aussi
Eliza Madrigal: timeline isn't really the right word... not sure what is
Eliza Madrigal: the heat indeed is blamable
Agatha Macbeth: Being?
Eliza Madrigal: here too ::sweats::::
Agatha Macbeth hands Liz a towel
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: Being Nudged
Agatha Macbeth: Nudge nudge
Agatha Macbeth: Wink wink
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: brb I have a few IMs to send
Eliza Madrigal: sorry
Wol Euler: no worries
Agatha Macbeth: When are you off Wollie?
Wol Euler: flying on the 1st, next thursday
Wol Euler: so its a week
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Lugnasadh
Agatha Macbeth: True midsummer
Wol Euler: my father has declared that he would prefer to be in a care home for the week that Mom and I are in New York, rather than having somebody come to the house
Wol Euler: if this is still true next week, she and I will check out places for him
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: He doesn't like strangers?
Wol Euler: he doesn't like anyone much :)
Wol Euler: I'm not sure what it means, or even whether it's true
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Wol Euler: or will remain true
Agatha Macbeth: I often feel like that myself
Wol Euler: his memory means that no decision is permanent
Agatha Macbeth nods
--BELL--1330
Agatha Macbeth: Hi QT
Wol Euler: hello qt
Agatha Macbeth: Is Milan warm?
Qt Core: Hi all, quite, Agger, at least 35C today, more to come
Agatha Macbeth: Oh hell
Agatha Macbeth: Best of luck with that
Wol Euler: wow
Qt Core: humidity is the issue
Wol Euler: mind you, it's been that here too :/
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe you should go to the Alps for a while?
Wol Euler: let me go check
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt :)
Agatha Macbeth: It's 21 here which is quite enough for me
Qt Core: running the AC only as a de-humidifier and i'm good, summer is supposed to be hot
Wol Euler: I should get a dehumidifier. Why didn'
Wol Euler: didn'T I think of that
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe you should get a dehumidifier...
Agatha Macbeth: Or sit in the fridge
Qt Core: it's wonderful, it seems as temp drops by a few degrees
Wol Euler: too small
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: I've been in Sardinia in June, that was bad enough
Qt Core: and it is cheaper as the cooling function do the dehumidifying part too
Wol Euler: hello korel
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya K
Qt Core: (and sardinia is windy, no wind here
Korel Laloix: Heya
Qt Core: hi Korel
Agatha Macbeth: How do they work?
Wol Euler: good question
Qt Core: buying them, pushing the on button and paying the electricity bill
Wol Euler: hehehe
Agatha Macbeth: I thought you would know Wol
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Kori :)
Agatha Macbeth: How's things K?
Korel Laloix smiles
Wol Euler: sorry
Korel Laloix: Good.. tiring day at work and class.. but good.
Agatha Macbeth: How can you get tired at your age? :p
Korel Laloix: A little bit of weather here but not bad.
Agatha Macbeth: No tornadoes hopefully
Korel Laloix: Tired of people with painful attitudes.
Agatha Macbeth: Aren't we all?
Korel Laloix: Just some rain and distant thunder.
Eliza Madrigal: energy vampires?
Wol Euler: " A fan collects air from the surrounding area and pulls it into the dehumidifier. As the air passes through, it comes into contact with the dehumidifier's cooled coils. These coils use condensation to pull moisture from the air. The collected moisture remains on the coils and drips into the dehumidifier's reservoir. The dehumidifier reheats the air and exhausts it back into the room."
Korel Laloix: I guess Kansas is getting hit pretty hard though at the moment.
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks Wol
Wol Euler: yw
Wol Euler: http://home.howstuffworks.com/dehumidifier.htm
Agatha Macbeth wonders how Dorothy is
Korel Laloix: I have a dehumidifier running in here right now.
Wol Euler: there, see?
Wol Euler: it is a good idea, I'll get one when I return
Korel Laloix: Well for me, with the AC draining into the ceiling for so long it is needed.
Agatha Macbeth: Has anyone ever followed the yellow brick road?
Wol Euler: never found it
Korel Laloix: The repairs are good, but still a bit of moisture that needs to get out to keep teh chance of mold down I guess.
Wol Euler: do you have one?
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Zen Arado: 's current display-name is "Zen".
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zenny
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Agatha Macbeth: The tanned music man
Wol Euler: hello zen
Wol Euler: his summer plumage :)
Zen Arado: Hi all
Zen Arado: there was a big pit there
Zen Arado: but it closed up
Agatha Macbeth: Big pit?
Zen Arado: just as I rezzed
Wol Euler: huh
Agatha Macbeth: Here?
Zen Arado: never saw that before
Zen Arado: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Qt Core: Hi Zen
Zen Arado: SL hell
Zen Arado: ?
Wol Euler: perhaps Storm has been data mining again
Agatha Macbeth: Mind you we have found things under the fountain before now
Zen Arado: :)
Korel Laloix: brb.. chocolate
Agatha Macbeth: Including Bruce
Zen Arado: choc break
Wol Euler: chocolate in this heat? eat quickly!
--BELL--1345
Zen Arado: what heat?
Korel Laloix: It is cold in here right now.. they are having me keep the place at 70 until Wednesday to help dry it out... along with the dehumidifier.
Korel Laloix: So I have Green and Black's Organic Milk Chocolate
Korel Laloix: And Russsell Stovers Dark.
Korel Laloix: Both look good.
Agatha Macbeth: I like dark chocolate best
Wol Euler: me too
Zen Arado: like the milk choc with almonds
Eliza Madrigal: "emergency chocolate" - keep dark chocolate handy at all times
Zen Arado: but sainsbury stopped keeping it:(
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: Ours still have it
Zen Arado: they always do that
Korel Laloix: That is what this is.. with almonds.
Korel Laloix: The GandB.
Zen Arado: as soon as they find out I like something it's gone
Eliza Madrigal: conspiracy
Agatha Macbeth: Mahatma GandB?
Wol Euler: I like what the Germans call "Alpine chocolate", which is milk choc mixed with finely ground hazelnuts
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good
Zen Arado: and the Lindt divine ..something
Zen Arado: divine hazelnut
Zen Arado: ooooh
Agatha Macbeth: The swiss are known for it I believe
Qt Core: you would probably like gianduia, then, wol
Eliza Madrigal: there is a salted caramel Lindt does now... yummy
Wol Euler: hmmmm
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: so many different chocs
Qt Core: it has hazelnut paste mixed in it
Zen Arado: salt isn't healthy
Eliza Madrigal: :P
Korel Laloix: Sure it is.. I salt everything.
Agatha Macbeth: What was the bloke's name in Charlie and the chocolate factory?
Wol Euler: actually the American dept of health just withdrew that statement, zen
Zen Arado: well not too much anyway
Zen Arado: oh?
Eliza Madrigal: actually, there is... (hah, yes I can stop typing Wol knows)
Wol Euler: too much salt is unhealthy, but salt as such is not to be avoided
Korel Laloix: I get bad cramps if I do't salt.
Zen Arado: used to be a rmd of 6 grams or something
Agatha Macbeth: I can't have it, bad for heart
Wol Euler: and in this heat everyone needs *some* salt to replace the minerals lost in sweat
Zen Arado: but we eat too much usually
Wol Euler: agreed
Zen Arado: at least they used to say that
Eliza Madrigal: depends on types of salt as well
Zen Arado: so much in food already
Eliza Madrigal: and the way it is used in processed/packaged foods
Wol Euler nods.
Zen Arado: yes
Eliza Madrigal: when we salt our own food most of us are good judges
Korel Laloix: This milk choco with almonds is a bit too sweet for me.
Eliza Madrigal: intutitively
Zen Arado: tries to concentrate on his Scrabble word
Agatha Macbeth: You're sweet enough
Korel Laloix: You are just saying that because it's true.
Agatha Macbeth: I know
Korel Laloix smiles
Zen Arado: TGDADCE
Zen Arado: hmm
Agatha Macbeth: Eh?
Zen Arado: scrabble
Agatha Macbeth: Is that a town in Poland?
Wol Euler: :)
Korel Laloix: I hate that game.
Korel Laloix: I usually win though...
Wol Euler: hehehe
Korel Laloix: when I pick it up and throw it out the window.
Agatha Macbeth: Smartarse
Wol Euler: how odd :) people usually hate games they lose at
Wol Euler: or do you hate making others lose?
Zen Arado: I play a word every now and then
Zen Arado: not exactly fast paced
Wol Euler: oh, I see, sorry; I'm very slow to read and understand today :(
Agatha Macbeth: Postal scrabble must be interesting
Zen Arado: I play on Facebook
Agatha Macbeth: Ah but who wins?
Eliza Madrigal: lately I try to play majong while listening to coursera videos
Agatha Macbeth: OMG
Zen Arado: it's best to play someone who doesn't speak good English
Eliza Madrigal: find that I listen better when eye hands are preoccupied
Agatha Macbeth: All those damn dragons
Zen Arado: I usually win then :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: lol Zen
Wol Euler: hmmm
Zen Arado: I can only do one thing at a time
Agatha Macbeth: Bit like oriental solitaire
Zen Arado: but I'm a man
Zen Arado: hmm
Eliza Madrigal: yes, good if your memory seems sluggish... which mine does
Agatha Macbeth: Mine usually gives up entirely these days
Korel Laloix: brb.. Reeba
Eliza Madrigal: it will be interesting one day to really learn about these gender sureties... I tend to think we all have several processes going on at diff levels
Zen Arado: not sure if mine is good or not
Eliza Madrigal: but maybe how we switch between is different
Zen Arado: yes probably a myth
Wol Euler nods.
Qt Core: mahjongg is much more exciting in the non-solitaire version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahjong#West
Agatha Macbeth: Multiplayer?
Zen Arado: have never played that
--BELL--1400
Qt Core: drop the #west part or just go to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahjong (it is a multiplayer game in origin)
Zen Arado: or GO
Agatha Macbeth: Go is quite good
Eliza Madrigal: "Game of Thousand Intelligences" - interesting link Qt, thanks
Eliza Madrigal: I like GO a lot, but find it hard to learn when so many seem hesitant to learn such a game
Eliza Madrigal: I keep trying to lure the teens/young adults that are in and out of the house but few takers
Wol Euler: man that sounds complicated
Eliza Madrigal: fascinating really... had no idea
Eliza Madrigal: I play the simpled-down American version :P
Wol Euler: I think I'd need simplified tiles too :) I can't immediately recognize the difference between a flower and a season
Eliza Madrigal: in the computer version they are interchangeable
Wol Euler: they all look flowery to me
Agatha Macbeth: A season and a reason
Eliza Madrigal: ohh I see
Wol Euler: ah that's an advantage
Eliza Madrigal: flowers are interchangeable and seasons are, but not with each other, lol sorry
Qt Core: moving around all those pieces is hell that's why i prefer playing it at a pc (but i have my own set)
Eliza Madrigal: the American version is actually very close to a basic memory game for preschoolers
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: but fun
Agatha Macbeth: Or presc as Luci calls it
Eliza Madrigal: you have a RL set Qt?
Qt Core: yes, bought it in shanghai ;-)
Wol Euler: nice
Agatha Macbeth: Ah so
Eliza Madrigal: wow, nie
Eliza Madrigal: c
Qt Core: i once was in a RL mahjong club... went home at 4am too many times, had to leave it
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Agatha Macbeth: God
Eliza Madrigal: that's so interesting... mahjong allnighters
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Wol Euler: "just one more hand"
Agatha Macbeth: Under floodlights
Eliza Madrigal: yeah... like the back alley Go clubs
Wol Euler: I'd never play any game until 4am *cough WoW cough*
Zen Arado: for money?
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Agatha Macbeth: WoW makes you cough?
Qt Core: given its almost exponential point system it is very dangerous when played with money involved
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Zen Arado: played poker when I was young
Eliza Madrigal: son really wants to learn poker.. he has a set but waiting for teacher to appear
Zen Arado: ya gotta know when to hold em
Wol Euler sings along
Agatha Macbeth: The jack ain't there Lancy
Eliza Madrigal: :)) speaking of which... I must go
Agatha Macbeth: ?
Wol Euler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn481KcjvMo
Eliza Madrigal: taking daughter to bank before she travels on her own this weekend for the first time
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Wol Euler: awwwwww, how nice
Wol Euler: I hope she enjoys it
Zen Arado: byee Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: I'm excited for her.. taste of independence
Agatha Macbeth: Blue lady
Wol Euler smiles.
Qt Core: bye eliza, and have fun to your daughter
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz
Eliza Madrigal: thanks so much <3 bye for now and see you soon
Wol Euler: ♥
Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
Zen Arado: hugs
Zen Arado: used this song in an English class and no one had heard of it
Wol Euler: incredible
Agatha Macbeth: Which?
Wol Euler: or perhaps age-related? :)
Zen Arado: I wrote a 100 word story whcih included playing poker
Zen Arado: maybe and Muslims don't play poker?
Wol Euler: or that :)
Agatha Macbeth: Too smart probably
Wol Euler: though I am absolutely certain that there is an equivalent game if you knew the right questions to ask :)
Zen Arado: maybe it's an Anglo American thing
Zen Arado: yeh
Zen Arado: Kenny is 75
Zen Arado: was at Glastonbury the other week
Agatha Macbeth: A chess bishop is actually an elephant's tusk
Zen Arado: it is?
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Zen Arado: if it is made from ivory
Agatha Macbeth: The pieces represent parts of the persian army
Wol Euler: well, I never.
--BELL--1415
Agatha Macbeth: The knights are cavalry
Zen Arado: so it is from Iraq?
Agatha Macbeth: No, Iran
Agatha Macbeth: Originally
Zen Arado: ah yhes
Zen Arado: Persia = Iran
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: Shah mat = dead King
Zen Arado: checkmate
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Agatha Macbeth: And the queen was originally a general
Zen Arado: a very old game
Agatha Macbeth: Sure is
Zen Arado: haven't played it for years
Agatha Macbeth: I only play the pc nowadays
Zen Arado: pc's are too good at it
Agatha Macbeth: Depends what level they're on ;-)
Zen Arado: you know no human can beat a computer at draughts
Zen Arado: or checkers as the Yanks call it
Agatha Macbeth: You hum it and I'll play it
Zen Arado: and chess is nearly the same
Zen Arado: I think
Agatha Macbeth: Computers aren't so good in endgames tho
Zen Arado: Deep Blue ?
Agatha Macbeth: Sea?
Zen Arado: chess program
Agatha Macbeth: I remember the Cray Blitz
Agatha Macbeth: That's going back a bit
Zen Arado: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Bl...ss_computer%29
Agatha Macbeth: Odd name
Agatha Macbeth: Why not Pale Green?
Qt Core: blue is ibm color and deep for its thinking level i presume
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Wol Euler: because IBM was always Blue, yep
Wol Euler: historical advertising :)
Agatha Macbeth: Blue is the colour
Qt Core: ib, is often called Big Blue
Qt Core: *ibm
Zen Arado: yes changed to chess software now
Zen Arado: 'Current chess engines are able to defeat even the strongest human players under normal conditions. Whether computation could ever solve chess remains an open question.'
Zen Arado: hmm
Agatha Macbeth: Mate in 3
Zen Arado: give up Aggers
Zen Arado: you'll never win :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Agatha Macbeth: They can actually be programmed to miss moves
Zen Arado: they probably have scrabble playing unbeatable programs too
Agatha Macbeth: At lower level they don't search as far
Agatha Macbeth: I used to have a computer scrabble which actually showed the computer thinking
Zen Arado: amazing
Agatha Macbeth: Some of the words it came up with I'd never heard
--BELL--1430
Zen Arado: 'A mobile phone won a category 6 tournament with a performance rating 2898: chess engine Hiarcs 13 running inside Pocket Fritz 4 on the mobile phone HTC Touch HD won the Copa Mercosur tournament in Buenos Aires, Argentina with 9 wins and 1 draw on August 4–14, 2009.[16] Pocket Fritz 4 searches fewer than 20,000 positions per second.[17] This is in contrast to supercomputers such as Deep Blue that searched 200 million positions per second.'
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Agatha Macbeth: The need for speed
Zen Arado: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_chess
Zen Arado: quite an interestong article
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Agatha Macbeth: Anyway
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: it's about that time
Agatha Macbeth: Take care all
Zen Arado: byee all
Wol Euler: goodnight aggers, zen
Agatha Macbeth: See you at the club tomorrow
Qt Core: bye Aga, Zen
Wol Euler: yes, friday again
Zen Arado: great
Wol Euler: goodnight zen, qt, korel
Wol Euler: take care
Qt Core: i'll go too, long and busy day tomorrow, bye Korel