2009.11.10 13:00 - 9 seconds to Siddhartha

    The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard.

    Mickorod Renard: hi Calvino
    Mickorod Renard: hows everyone today?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Mickorod, Wol and Calvino :)
    Mickorod Renard: come and join us Calvino
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm good, but trying to keep my avatar from falling through the ground, weird sl thing :)
    Wol Euler: huh
    Wol Euler: hello calvino
    Mickorod Renard: you are new here Calvino?
    Calvino Rabeni: hi there
    Mickorod Renard: I guess?
    Calvino Rabeni: yes mostly
    Mickorod Renard: ok great
    Mickorod Renard: I see you are in the philosophy club
    Mickorod Renard: is that hermans?
    Calvino Rabeni: not really active however
    Mickorod Renard: I guess you know we record the chat and post it on a wiki
    Calvino Rabeni: yes I know the recording situation
    Mickorod Renard: I have been reading the past logs,,ready for writing the scribe
    Mickorod Renard: amazing how much topical stuff we cover
    Wol Euler: indeed.
    Bolonath Crystal: i enjoyed our talk about intuition yesterday :)
    Mickorod Renard: I did too,,I seemed drawn into it, even though I wanted to stay quiet
    Wol Euler: sign of a good discussion, perhaps.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i got drawn into it too, Wol, although was wondering where the feeling of negativity came from
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,,although many of these topics always end up hanging,,either cos the session ends or that the subject is too open
    Wol Euler: well, I could give a very simple and short answer to that question, Sophia, but it might not be helpful :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: although a good balance is dependent on very different views maybe?
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Bolonath Crystal nods
    Bolonath Crystal: i love different views
    Wol Euler: I enjoy different views expressed with respect and consideration
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, resistence to a diffent view is telling in how its revealing
    Mickorod Renard: me too,,there is some satisfaction from finding we have common idea's,,but if we were all yes people it wouild get boring
    Bolonath Crystal: right
    SophiaSharon Larnia: umm sorry a bit going on here, confusing sentence
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Mickorod Renard: Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: hi every body ! ... :-)
    Wol Euler: hello yaku
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
    Bertram Jacobus: sorry for having disturbed the 90 secs. very unaware ...
    Mickorod Renard: I wonder sometimes when I am guardian,,whether I need to ask more about the 9 second thing
    Mickorod Renard: no probs Bert
    Wol Euler: go with the flow, mick. If you want to ask, ask.
    Bertram Jacobus: what would you like to ask for example mick ?
    Mickorod Renard: well,,in light of all the exitement recently,,maybe I should try and keep us focussed
    Mickorod Renard: I was drawn to a recent chat log where the 9 second thing was linked to the change of dirsection of waves in the sea
    Mickorod Renard: direction
    Wol Euler: nice idea
    Bertram Jacobus: drawn ... drawn together ... :-)
    Mickorod Renard: as in,,change of what you were doing,,and the transition to the 9 secs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its amazing how my view on the 9 sec has changed over the last few days, i think before i was trying to direct my thoughts, and didn't realize it...where as now am seeing that thought arises on its own, and to look at that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: feel like im late to the party or something, but there it is
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Eden
    Bertram Jacobus: it´s never too late ... ;-9
    Mickorod Renard: yes, I too have been frustrated at trying to create the 9 seconds event rather than seeing it naturally in my normal day
    Mickorod Renard: maybe I can develope what I already have
    Mickorod Renard: rather than re invent the wheel
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its a subtle shift, and also have lost that sense of time pressing in on me from all sides
    Eden Haiku: How was you retreat Sophia? Did you share about it already?
    Mickorod Renard: I was feeling that my break from busy thought should focus on our developement here,,yet really it can just be more natural
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no didnt know if thered be a theme session, i think i said things in other logs :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but what im saying now is an extention of that
    Wol Euler: there was some talk about it on ... thursday? when you were all still in Princeton?
    Eden Haiku: Rhnaks, I will read the logs ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh that was so much fun :))
    Eden Haiku: *Thanks
    SophiaSharon Larnia: surreal!
    Wol Euler grins
    Mickorod Renard: are they not formal at all Sophia?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: across from us during that session was a big glass window with our rl reflection in it while we sat at our computers, i was seeing the shadows as our avatars
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes in places Mick
    SophiaSharon Larnia: during exercises and sharing that
    Eden Haiku: Wow!
    Mickorod Renard: was it daunting for you at all,,or just relaxing and fun?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: very daunting at first ;) but at ease very quickly
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: lovely
    Mickorod Renard: I would still like to make the Malta retreat,,but I cannot commit at this stage
    Mickorod Renard: but even if I could I would feel some apprehension from my lack of confidence
    Wol Euler: ahhhh, mick, you would be among friends.
    Mickorod Renard: grin,,thankyou
    Wol Euler: we already all know each other well and for a long time
    Wol Euler: just not the bodies.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i suspect you wouldnt for long, and i mean that, i am suspect we have that in common, and Wol is right
    Mickorod Renard: so many here seem to be quite knowledgable in meditational methods,,and in certain teachings
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eden Haiku: The hills surrounding us remin me the hill in the Tteletubbies...
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. may be a majority ... :-)
    Wol Euler grins at Eden.
    Bertram Jacobus: lala ! :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Wol Euler: that would be a good av.
    Eden Haiku: Lala is my favorite too! ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-))
    Mickorod Renard: I have to admit to not liking teletubbies
    Bolonath Crystal: the many different teachings give us the opportunity to learn a lot from each others :)
    Eden Haiku: Howcome?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me either, they freak me out a little :)
    Wol Euler: very spooky.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Wol Euler: hello arch
    Bertram Jacobus: i find them so strange that i find them good - beyond some seriousity ... ;-)
    Eden Haiku: They helped me a lot as I was going through a hard time...
    Bolonath Crystal: hi arch
    Zon Quar: arch
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Greetings all
    Eden Haiku: Hello Arch!
    Bertram Jacobus: very nice eden ...
    Wol Euler: I'm curious, Mick: when you say that so many seem proficient in different practices, is that a reason to go to Malta, or to avoid it?
    Wol Euler: 'cause it could be taken either way
    Mickorod Renard: perhaps,,for me,,to avoid it
    Zon Quar: what happens i n Malta ?
    Mickorod Renard: I would feel out of my depth
    Wol Euler: there's a RL retreat coming up at the end of January, Zon
    Bertram Jacobus: next retreat in january zon. pab retreat
    Wol Euler: Ah, Mick, that's exactly why you should go :)
    Zon Quar: for this group ?
    Wol Euler: yep
    Zon Quar: wow
    arabella Ella: for guardians
    Wol Euler: look on it as a chance to explore the deep end :)
    Wol Euler: with companions and guides, in a safe place
    Mickorod Renard: deep end? sounds fun
    Wol Euler points to "out of my depth"
    Mickorod Renard: ahh,,i see
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: I am a bit of a fly by the seat of my pants,,person
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Wol Euler: if it's any encouragement, I am totally unqualified and very lousy practitioner, and will be totally out of my depth
    Wol Euler: and that is why I'm going
    Mickorod Renard: it may be all too ,,erm,,formal for me
    Mickorod Renard: well,,the biggest lure would be to meet everyone
    Mickorod Renard: that I would like
    arabella Ella: surely you dont mean 'too academic' Mick? cos that it wont be
    arabella Ella: :)
    Mickorod Renard: grin,,thats what I usually say,,but not what was thinkin just
    Mickorod Renard: so does everyone here feel comfortable with the 9 second thing?
    Wol Euler: as a topic? sure
    Mickorod Renard: I love the topic,,but have struggled with the practice
    Bolonath Crystal: the 9 sec seem too short, somehow
    Archmage Atlantis: As one of many methods that can be used to streach the mind and spirit, certainly
    Mickorod Renard: finding a way to slot it into life is my issue
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: I had a lot of trouble until Pema suggested giving up the idea that it had to happen every 15 minutes
    Wol Euler: that made it much easier
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i find it compelling when a day set aside just for continuous practice
    Bolonath Crystal: yes :)
    Storm Nordwind is overwhelmed with wonderful greetings!
    Mickorod Renard: how do you structure a whole day for it?
    Bertram Jacobus: hi storm and arch and zon and ara :o)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: when im not at work, with a mindfulness bell
    Mickorod Renard: when I am not at work,,I either crawl up the wall out of boredom,,,or I can fall into absorbing the wonder of life
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Bolonath Crystal: getting up early, practising pranayama and some yoga asanas in the fresh air, meditating for a while and then having a good breakfast with a lot of vitamines would be a good start
    Mickorod Renard: I find it strange how many here have names for all the diferent practices
    Archmage Atlantis: Even forgetting to think about the next task on my list counts for me
    Wol Euler: the professionals :)
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Bolonath Crystal: *g*
    Wol Euler: I agree, Arch, especially if you gave yourself permission to forget it :)
    Mickorod Renard: how do u mean Arch,,like time out,,or in an anoying forgetful way?
    Archmage Atlantis: Time out is closer
    Mickorod Renard: nice
    Bolonath Crystal: maybe forgetting about the task list could be a nice practise, too :)
    Archmage Atlantis: As Wol said, giving myself permission
    Wol Euler nods
    Mickorod Renard: I seem depended upon,,when I try and forget something I get hell to live with
    Wol Euler grins
    Archmage Atlantis: I lived a life like that, I am glad I no longer do
    Storm Nordwind wonders what this concept of "boredom" is that Mick was speaking of
    Mickorod Renard: dont Arch,,you may give me idea's
    Wol Euler: you need to delegate more, Mick.
    Bertram Jacobus: which kind of life was that arch ?
    Archmage Atlantis: It is only my hell if I accept it
    Archmage Atlantis: As a business executive
    Mickorod Renard: once accepted its dificult to change
    Bertram Jacobus: ah okay. ty.
    Mickorod Renard: like signing a pact with the decvil I guess
    Mickorod Renard: Devil
    Wol Euler: except that you can renegotiate with humans
    Mickorod Renard: mmmmm,,thinks hard
    Wol Euler: well, apart form terrorists and 3-year-olds
    Mickorod Renard: so how important is regulating the 9 second thing?
    Bertram Jacobus: t
    Mickorod Renard: like frequency
    Archmage Atlantis: Especially not 3 year olds *smile*
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Wol Euler: for me personally, not at all important. It's a tool that I use when I need it.
    Mickorod Renard: is it imposing control on ourselves,,or wrestling control back?
    Wol Euler: the latter!
    Wol Euler: definitely
    Archmage Atlantis: Actually, I would differ, it is letting go of control
    Wol Euler: I cn see that too :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i found i was trying to 'control' this, and now see the practice for me as relaxing this control and letting thought arise on its own
    Wol Euler: I meant the sense that Mick was tallking about a moment ago, that othters control his life
    Wol Euler: I use the nines to remind myself that it is *my* life nd I can choose to step out of others' control
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,I understand Wol,,and see all the points,,nice reminder
    Archmage Atlantis: We are our own refuge, who else can be our refuge
    Archmage Atlantis: stolen quote
    Wol Euler: awww, eden, no haikus today!

    Mickorod Renard: nice quote though Arch
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves at Bert
    Wol Euler: yes, it was :)
    Archmage Atlantis: It was said by Siddhartha
    Bolonath Crystal: siddharta gautama or the one in hermann hesse's book, arch?
    Mickorod Renard: can you read up on Siddhartha?
    arabella Ella: it is a lovely quote Arch
    Wol Euler: I was just wondering that too :)
    Archmage Atlantis: The Buddha
    Bolonath Crystal: ah, ty
    Wol Euler: it's a wonderful book.
    Bolonath Crystal: one of my favs, wol :)
    Archmage Atlantis: It is the witching hour for me....this has been a great conversation.....thank you all
    Wol Euler: goodnight, arch, take care.
    Mickorod Renard: thankyou Arch
    arabella Ella: nite arch
    Mickorod Renard: nite
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Arch
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have to go too, take care everyone!!
    Wol Euler: bye sophia, take care
    Bolonath Crystal: om shanti :)
    Wol Euler: is that good or bad, calvino? :)
    Wol Euler: bye bolo, bye calvino
    arabella Ella: bye Calvino
    Mickorod Renard: bye Calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: :) Both or neither good or bad.
    Mickorod Renard: thanks 4 comming
    Wol Euler: I guess that counts as good on a meta-level.
    Calvino Rabeni: Funny
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks for being
    arabella Ella: :)
    Wol Euler: goodnight calvino, come back any time
    Calvino Rabeni: wherever you are
    Wol Euler: (well, at the regularly scheduled times)
    Calvino Rabeni: I shall
    Mickorod Renard: do you have reference to the book you refered to with Arch,,Wol?
    Wol Euler: yep, lemme look it up on amazon
    Wol Euler: http://www.amazon.com/Siddhartha-Her...7890748&sr=8-1
    Wol Euler: it has a wikipedia pge, too :)
    Mickorod Renard: thanks Wol
    Mickorod Renard: need a good book
    Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_(novel)
    Mickorod Renard: it may sdistract me from frustration
    Wol Euler: it is a very good book, short and easy to read, but also very dense. It can be chewed over for years, or read in a day, as you wish :)
    Mickorod Renard: a little book?,,but big in thought?
    Wol Euler: exactly. But itÄs also readable as a simple short story of a life.
    Mickorod Renard: sounds just what i NEED
    Wol Euler: no need to go deep, in contrast to e.g. Sartre who always wants you to know how smart he is
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,thats great then#
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: It is, I love it dearly and re-read it often
    Mickorod Renard: I dont want too much thinking at the mom
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
    Mickorod Renard: ok Wol, Ara,,I must head home to sl house and feed the animals
    Wol Euler: oh cool.
    Mickorod Renard: I need to pay the tier too
    Mickorod Renard: yikes
    Wol Euler: bye mick, take care.
    arabella Ella: bye mick ... nite nite
    Mickorod Renard: thanks for comming,,it was ,,,informative..he he
    Wol Euler: an unexpectedly nice session.
    arabella Ella: i'd better be off too ... nite Wol
    Wol Euler: goodnight ara, sleep well

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