2009.11.25 01:00 - Wu-wei and karma

The Guardian for this meeting was Bolonath Crystal. The comments are by Bolonath Crystal.

    Bolonath Crystal: hello calvino :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, Bolonath. What is up?
    Bolonath Crystal: not too much...
    Calvino Rabeni: Multitasking, but willing to entertain anything ...
    --BELL--

Effects of self-identification

    Bolonath Crystal: these little 90 sec breaks help me a lot to find back to myself, when i am entangled in karmic distractions :)
    Calvino Rabeni: WHen you get back to yourself, how is your correct action then different?
    Bolonath Crystal: the action may not be very different at all, but the way i experience a situation
    Bolonath Crystal: i stop to identify with circumstances
    Calvino Rabeni: the action feels different then.
    Bolonath Crystal: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: better somehow?
    Bolonath Crystal: yes. things become easier
    Bolonath Crystal: my actions are then not longer influenced by feelings like willingness or unwillingness
    Calvino Rabeni: there is a feeling of right action, I think, for me
    Calvino Rabeni: I have more feeling of willingness
    Bolonath Crystal: for me, too. but often at the same time i don't want to do the right things because of lazyness, cowardice or whatever
    Bolonath Crystal: when i identify myself with the circumstances, things get a quality of beeing wanted or unwanted rather than beeing right or wrong
    Bolonath Crystal: being*
    Bolonath Crystal: then i get stuck in the imagination, that my own reality is the only reality
    Calvino Rabeni: The words laziness and cowardice are interesting. THey remind me of the "seven deadly sins" or the "ten commandments".
    Calvino Rabeni: The imagination can serve well, or the opposite. Depending on what, I am wondering.

Rights and wrongs - the art of wu-wei

    Calvino Rabeni: I try to imagine acting rightly and liking it. But things get confused sometimes.
    Bolonath Crystal nods
    --BELL--
    Bolonath Crystal: there is no right or wrong in an objective way. it depends on ones aims
    Bolonath Crystal: if the aims are unclear, confusion is the result
    Calvino Rabeni: Aims have to correspond with reality.
    Bolonath Crystal: but what is reality? doesn't reality also correspond with our self-identification?
    Calvino Rabeni: its a dance with a partner
    Bolonath Crystal: a dance :) - i like this picture
    Bolonath Crystal: reminds me of shiva :)
    Calvino Rabeni: A false will is cutting against the grain. The blade will get dull.
    Bolonath Crystal: our wishes are the motor of the wheel of life. so there is a great difference if my aim is to get a better karma or if my aim is to avoid karma completely
    Calvino Rabeni: You can't avoid it
    Bolonath Crystal: well, i'm trying my best :)
    Calvino Rabeni: wu wei - is not "nonaction"
    Bolonath Crystal: how do you understand wu-wei?
    Calvino Rabeni: go with bigger tao, follow how things move naturally
    Calvino Rabeni: For christians, called will of god.
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't think that way however

Why not create karma?

    Bolonath Crystal: in my opinion wu-wei has something to do with the way something is done. i agree it is not nonaction
    Calvino Rabeni: karma is action. I think there is nothing but action.
    Calvino Rabeni: there are subtleties to karma as a doctrine, I don't know about.
    --BELL--
    Bolonath Crystal: maybe wu-wei can be translated as "acting without clinging to the results of action". having no expectations or so... or maybe: acting without creating further karma
    Calvino Rabeni: Why not create lots?
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Bolonath Crystal: karma is the cuse of rebirth. if you are willing to reincarnate, then it is best to create a lot of karma, preferably good karma
    Bolonath Crystal: cause*
    Bolonath Crystal: if you try to avoid reincarnation, you have to avoid karma, even good karma
    Calvino Rabeni: I do not desire to get off the train of life. I took a vow not to do that.
    Bolonath Crystal: oh, bodhisattvas often do that
    Calvino Rabeni: true
    Calvino Rabeni: suffering is ok
    Calvino Rabeni: ok
    Calvino Rabeni: : avatar nods when I say OK
    Bolonath Crystal: so he agrees ;))
    Calvino Rabeni: apparently so. Never talks back or argues :)
    Bolonath Crystal: hehe
    Calvino Rabeni: But sometimes staggers around, even when I am completely sober.

Happiness and suffering

    Bolonath Crystal: do you think there is a big difference between happiness and suffering? or is it maybe the same, only seen under a different aspect?
    Calvino Rabeni: That is a good question. The doctrine probably says they are the same, is that true?
    Bolonath Crystal: well, different doctrines say different...
    Bolonath Crystal: buddha says, everything in life is suffering
    Bolonath Crystal: hinduism says, everything is just a game
    Bolonath Crystal: christianity says, christians become happy, the others suffer
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: If they could be a bit more generous :)
    Bolonath Crystal: would be good for everyone :)
    Calvino Rabeni: There is enough for everyone.
    Bolonath Crystal: i'm thinking about all these religious wars
    Calvino Rabeni: Do you think at core, religions are the same?
    --BELL--
    Bolonath Crystal: in essence, yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Those fighting the wars seem not to be attuned with their religions.
    Bolonath Crystal: there is only one absoulte truth (which can be called god), but many ways to attain it. maybe even war can be such a way, i don't know
    Calvino Rabeni: Possibly. Maybe 0.001 percent
    Bolonath Crystal: sorry, i have to go to work now
    Calvino Rabeni: Ok, thanks for hosting
    Bolonath Crystal: thanks a lot, calvino, for sharing your time with me :)
    Bolonath Crystal: om shanti
    Calvino Rabeni: Qyite welcome, bolonath. GOod day.