2009.11.15 19:00 - Re-Retreat+2

The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

stevenaia Michinaga: hello Cal

stevenaia Michinaga: evening Pema

Pema Pera: Hi Calvino and Stevenaia!

stevenaia Michinaga: :)

Pema Pera: small circle tonight :)

stevenaia Michinaga: yes, sunday evening we get comfy here

Pema Pera: like sitting around a camp fire

stevenaia Michinaga: nice of you to join us, not your usual time

Pema Pera: nope

Pema Pera: but I thought to bring some variety in my PaB diet :)

Pema Pera: good seeing you again, Calvino, you're becoming a real regular already!

stevenaia Michinaga: he is out west, SL time, make PaB more of a dessert than a bedtime story for him

stevenaia Michinaga: speaking of diet

Calvino Rabeni: i like the group and premise. have some reservations with the technology though

Pema Pera: please do tell!

Pema Pera: I love hearing reservations :)

stevenaia Michinaga: looking for technology

Calvino Rabeni: maybe a faster computer would help, but the limited size, lag, etc. lead to residual body tensions that can accumulate to pain.

Calvino Rabeni: DUring the timeouts the first part is usually discharging those residuals

Pema Pera: ah, I thought you meant "PaB technology, like the 9-sec method :-)

Pema Pera: yes, that can be a pain

stevenaia Michinaga: thought you referred to SL itself

Calvino Rabeni: NO, PaB tech helps the SL tech work better

Pema Pera: hahaha

Pema Pera: building in wait states

Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps we can train the bodymind to handle it better.

Pema Pera: :)

Pema Pera: did you get a chance to try the 9 sec in RL as well ?

Calvino Rabeni: As in feldenkrais style

Calvino Rabeni: yes but I didn't set clock

Pema Pera: not needed, though some people like to use a clock; it's a matter of taste

stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.feldenkrais.com/

Pema Pera: how did it go, when you tried it?

Calvino Rabeni: it's not new, so it's kind of habitual - do you find it becoming mechanical, with whatever that applies?

Pema Pera: no, since there are always new ways to just watch

Pema Pera: watch thoughts arise

Pema Pera: or appreciate what presents itself

Pema Pera: the more you open, the more you notice

Calvino Rabeni: In theory

stevenaia Michinaga: hello Beatrix

Pema Pera: the key for me is to not hold on

Pema Pera: hi Beatrix!

Pema Pera: or at least try not to

Pema Pera: the more you let go, the more flowing experience becomes, it seems

Pema Pera: you said it's not new; have you done similar kind of practices?

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: I find that to be true, the emptier your mind gets, the more open to be filed with new thoughts

Calvino Rabeni: The fog that comes out during the timeout seems to have a thought-suppressing power.

stevenaia Michinaga: seems to be part of the natural creative process

Pema Pera: it is soothing, yes, isn't it? (the fog)

Pema Pera: yes, Steve, and also the flow changes

Pema Pera: more fluid, it seems, when more open

stevenaia Michinaga: that;s where creativity arises

Pema Pera: less a sense of "I am thinking this" and more just thoughts thinking

stevenaia Michinaga: nods

Calvino Rabeni: Yes, P. there are many mindfulness based practices I have done at one time or another.

stevenaia Michinaga: it;s a lovely moment of seeking without knowing what you will find

Pema Pera: :)

Pema Pera: may I ask what kind, what style?

stevenaia Michinaga: who are you asking?

Pema Pera: Calvino, sorry

stevenaia Michinaga: :)

Pema Pera: (I myself started with some Hindu style meditations, then more zen, and then also some TIbetan Buddhist forms)

Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, not sure where to begin - meditations, movements, martial, poetics, contemplation.

Calvino Rabeni: would be some categories

Pema Pera: pick three!

Pema Pera: :)

Pema Pera: (not to put you on the spot)

Calvino Rabeni: No problem. it's just that I don't any more keep track of the sources or "schools" involved. Sometimes I just make them up. I think you get to ability to improvise on that basic idea.

Pema Pera: yes, I know the feeling, I often do the same, when I sit (or walk, or lie down)

Calvino Rabeni: :)

Pema Pera: as for the 9 sec practice, did that remind you of any specific form you had been working with earlier?

Calvino Rabeni: I can contextualize it if necessary.

Calvino Rabeni: Form? ues

Pema Pera: hi Paradise!

Calvino Rabeni: yes

stevenaia Michinaga: hello Paradise

stevenaia Michinaga: hello Eliza

Pema Pera: Hi Eliza!

Paradise Tennant: hello pema .. steve cal eliza gtsy :)))))

Pema Pera: It's like being back in Princeton again!

Calvino Rabeni: hiya

stevenaia Michinaga: smiles + Cal

Pema Pera: Calvino, the four of us where in Princeton just a week ago, in a RL PaB retreat

Eliza Madrigal: Hi! :)

Calvino Rabeni: I heard that, sounds nice

Paradise Tennant: yes seems like a long time ago now :)

Pema Pera: :)

stevenaia Michinaga: hello Tomsen

Pema Pera: The next one is in Malta, of all places

Pema Pera: Hi Tomsen!

Paradise Tennant: hello tomsen :)

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tomsen :)

Pema Pera: yes

Pema Pera: for a few seconds :)

Pema Pera: feel free to join us here, with or without Beatrix :)

Pema Pera: ???

Eliza Madrigal: :)

stevenaia Michinaga: is there a banned list?

Pema Pera: we've had some real griefers, very rarely

Calvino Rabeni: :) and where is the list?

Pema Pera: who come back immediately after being ejected

Pema Pera: so the only solution is to ban them

Pema Pera: good question, does anyone remember how to look that up?

Eliza Madrigal: I've never had reason to... Hm, no

stevenaia Michinaga: sure , it seems all you have to do is check the "Philosophy House"

Pema Pera: ah, I remember

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eden :)

Pema Pera: click on the location at the top, Bieup 63, 41, 10 and then click on "access" on the top bar.

stevenaia Michinaga: hello Eden

Pema Pera: hi again Eden!

Eliza Madrigal: Oh, interesting... learned something new

Eden Haiku: Hi!

stevenaia Michinaga: thank you Pema

Pema Pera: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Calvino, nice to see you again. Did I interrupt?

Pema Pera: Hi Sharon!

stevenaia Michinaga: hello SophiaSharon

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon :) ;-)

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone sorry to be late

Pema Pera: Wow, really a Princeton reunion: five of us!!

Paradise Tennant: hey sophia !

stevenaia Michinaga: Adams s usually asleep at this hour

Eliza Madrigal nods

Eden Haiku: Hi Sophiai!

SophiaSharon Larnia: waves

Eden Haiku: The circle is smaller isn't it?

Paradise Tennant: hiya eden :)

stevenaia Michinaga: it can be larger is another 2 arrive

stevenaia Michinaga: *if

Eden Haiku: And there is no water in the fountain?

stevenaia Michinaga: it would splash and make us all wet

Eden Haiku: ;-)

Eliza Madrigal: We'll be steam cleaned during the 90 seconds though :)

Paradise Tennant: :)

Eden Haiku: Stm cleaned! i like that ;-)

Pema Pera: :)

Pema Pera: For a moment I read "Stim cleaned"

Eliza Madrigal: yes me too. hah

stevenaia Michinaga: :)

Pema Pera: (getting sleepy)

Paradise Tennant: :)

Eden Haiku: What would "stim" mean?

Pema Pera: Stim cleared?

Calvino Rabeni: Pema, do you (or others) read the logs and if so, how are they used?

Eliza Madrigal reads the logs

Paradise Tennant: was sorry I missed meeting stim :)

stevenaia Michinaga: Stim is another as Being person

Pema Pera: Stim is the name of one of the regular Play as Being folks, Eden

Pema Pera: there is no specific usage for the logs, Calvino

Eden Haiku: A ghost is with us!

Pema Pera: :)

Calvino Rabeni: How about an informal usage?

Pema Pera: but they can be used in many ways, like if you like to see what is being talked about while you couldn't be here

Eliza Madrigal: The logs help us to keep up with one another Calvino, and topics that come up... nurture continuity

Eden Haiku: Virtual Stim within a virtual world!

Pema Pera: :)

Calvino Rabeni: thx

Pema Pera: also it gives people outside SL a chance to see what we're doing

Calvino Rabeni: continuity is an issue

Pema Pera: if somebody googles a topic that we discuss, they may find us that way

Calvino Rabeni: ok then privacy might be an issue

Pema Pera: yes, it's a tradeoff

stevenaia Michinaga: they are also summarized in three day groups by group member

Paradise Tennant: often there are theme meetings

Calvino Rabeni: does the public nature of the logs affect what you say - i suppose it must.

SophiaSharon Larnia: although you sl name is anonymous, after a while of being here it becomes less and less so

Eden Haiku: The scribes they are called isn't it?

Pema Pera: continuity is central in PaB. You could say that we trade duration of meditation for frequency and hence continuity: 4/hour in RL, and 4/day in SL

stevenaia Michinaga: they can be edited by the Guardian who hosts who meetings

Eliza Madrigal: It is always important to use discernment, but for the most part I think one gets comfortable

Pema Pera: hard to say, Calvino, I don't feel it affects me (the public nature), but then again, I'm so used to it

stevenaia Michinaga: although editing is usually limited

Calvino Rabeni: so pema, I guess you feel it goes over OK in your academic RL, or you have the street cred to support it?

Pema Pera: I like to be open about the things we talk about here

Pema Pera: no real reason to keep anything specific confidential -- this is not a therapy group

Paradise Tennant: no more like shared learning ..

Eliza Madrigal nods

Paradise Tennant: lol learning

Eliza Madrigal giggles at the term 'street cred'

Pema Pera: that's a good question, Calvino, by no I'm okay with it

Calvino Rabeni: "reputation"

Pema Pera: but if I were younger, looking for a start of a career, I probably would use an alt :-)

Calvino Rabeni: right

Pema Pera: having tenure helps :)

stevenaia Michinaga: :)

Paradise Tennant: in many ways sl is rl . just slightly different format

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you all tonight, thanks :)

Calvino Rabeni: when am I likely to encounter Stim around here?

stevenaia Michinaga: night Eliza

Pema Pera: nite Eliza!

Pema Pera: One more reason to make the logs public is that it gives more of a sense of seriousness to our meetings, how to say, a sense of a gesture to the world, a kind of ritual: this is what we would like to offer, to share.

Eden Haiku: Bye Eliza!

Pema Pera: Stim has a weekly slot on Monday afternoon

SophiaSharon Larnia: whoops, bye Eliza :)

Eden Haiku: Waves to Stim!

Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Information/Guardian_Timetable

Eden Haiku: (through the logs!)

Paradise Tennant: funny being with many of the same people .. brought back how beautiful the time in princeton was .. so peaceful

Pema Pera: is a handy list to see who is the guardian "greeter" at each slot

Pema Pera: yes, but no dog :-)

stevenaia Michinaga: the dog is in the picture

stevenaia Michinaga: on the wiki

SophiaSharon Larnia had a very hard time with the logs at first

Pema Pera: yes, Woof

Paradise Tennant: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: and still does

Pema Pera: in what way, Sharon?

SophiaSharon Larnia: everything available there to be read, good days and bad ;p

SophiaSharon Larnia: random thought that come and go, looking back to see how things have changed

Pema Pera: we'll all in the same boat, Sharon, typos & all :)

Paradise Tennant: yes there are some remarkable .. mind stretching conversations and a measure of just general chit chat :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

stevenaia Michinaga: <--getting better at fixing typos

Pema Pera: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs

We break out in "onigokko " dance

Eden Haiku: And lots of onigokko!

Pema Pera: onigokko

Calvino Rabeni: speaking of typoes

SophiaSharon Larnia: i have to go, so mice to see everyone, sorry to leave so quickly

Calvino Rabeni: *typps

Calvino Rabeni: *typos :)

Pema Pera: stop

stevenaia Michinaga: stop

Pema Pera: bye Sharon!

Eden Haiku: Again!

stevenaia Michinaga: pema is not so sleepie after all

SophiaSharon Larnia: okies

SophiaSharon Larnia: !!

Pema Pera: are Steve and I the only ones doing the onigokko?!?

Eden Haiku: Bye Sophia!

Pema Pera: hehehe

SophiaSharon Larnia: oneee.......

Eden Haiku: No I was just slow. ready now!

Pema Pera: (an old ritual at PaB, Calvino and Eden)

SophiaSharon Larnia: more lol

Pema Pera: onigokko

Paradise Tennant: nite nite sophia gtsy

SophiaSharon Larnia: whoope who sayyyssss

SophiaSharon Larnia: stop

Calvino Rabeni: OMG -ko

SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles

Pema Pera: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah

Calvino Rabeni: what is the trigger?

Eden Haiku: Any question Calvino? ;-)

SophiaSharon Larnia: the word onig---

Pema Pera: say the name of the dance

Calvino Rabeni: I C

Pema Pera: ...okko

SophiaSharon Larnia: do you have it calvino

Calvino Rabeni: yes but not wrn, I was bashful about the rat tail in other sims

Calvino Rabeni: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: ahhh yes

Pema Pera: :)

Paradise Tennant: lol

SophiaSharon Larnia: extra then

Paradise Tennant: a bit .. awkward I agree

SophiaSharon Larnia: okies do have to go now *laughs*

Pema Pera: they should make a version with horns instead

Pema Pera: bye Sharon!

stevenaia Michinaga: night Sharon

Pema Pera: ("oni" means "devil" in Japanese)

SophiaSharon Larnia: its full perma, i can

Calvino Rabeni: onibaba

SophiaSharon Larnia: full permissions i mean

Pema Pera: a she-devil?

Calvino Rabeni: y

SophiaSharon Larnia: b4n!!

Calvino Rabeni: Japanese demons are lovely

Pema Pera: yes!

Pema Pera: tengu

Calvino Rabeni: and tanuki

Pema Pera: have you been in Japan, Calvino?

stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengu

Calvino Rabeni: no, but I hung out in Japanese cultural zone

Pema Pera: I have the very good luck of being able to spend a few months there every year, for my work

Calvino Rabeni: Nice.

Calvino Rabeni: I have spent time in thailand

Pema Pera: never been there yet

Eden Haiku: That is luck Pema! I love Japanese culture but I haven't been there yet.

Pema Pera: have you studied some aikido too, or Reiki, or the like, Calvino?

stevenaia Michinaga: I've heard of Hundu, , buddist and Japanese demons, are they there as a devil equivalent?

Calvino Rabeni: I had my "japanese period" too.

Pema Pera: let me know when you go there, Eden! I can show you some nice places to visit :)

Eden Haiku: I studied Reiki.

Pema Pera: I visited mount Kurama recently

Pema Pera: where I believe Reiki started

Eden Haiku: Im going to India this winter, but Japan is further away I'm afraid...

Calvino Rabeni: Eden, do you know Seitan practice?

Pema Pera: a wonderfully energetic place

Calvino Rabeni: Seitai?

Calvino Rabeni: Trying to remember name

--BELL--

Pema Pera: well, bed time for me . . . .

Eden Haiku: Time for me to go. Bye everyone!

stevenaia Michinaga: night Pema,

Paradise Tennant: :) nite nite pema sweet dreams

Paradise Tennant: nite nite eden :)

Pema Pera: nice meeting you all here!

Pema Pera: u 2 Paradise

Pema Pera: and all

Paradise Tennant: think I will turn in too :)

stevenaia Michinaga: night Paradise

Calvino Rabeni: bye

Paradise Tennant: :)

Paradise Tennant: be well you two

stevenaia Michinaga: :)

Calvino Rabeni: I have alternate event now to, so good night all.

stevenaia Michinaga: :) night Cal

stevenaia Michinaga: getting late for em too

stevenaia Michinaga: thanks for joining us