2009.11.25 07:00 - Sharing Sky, Snow, and Samboghakaya

The guardian for this session was Eliza Madrigal, quite Thankfully joined this morning before US Thanksgiving holiday by Archmage, Gaya, Pema, Adams, Storm, SophiaSharon, Widget and Genesis. The comments, though spare, are Eliza's. :)

We were heavy in greetings today, so taking a page from Storm's book, I decided to highlight a bit for clarity.

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Arch, Morning :)
Archmage Atlantis: Greetings, Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Gaya :) Nice to see you
Gaya Ethaniel: Hi Eliza and Arch :)
Archmage Atlantis: Hello Gay :)
Archmage Atlantis: yikes, Gaya, sorry
Gaya Ethaniel: np :)
Archmage Atlantis: Morning Pema
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Pema :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema, Good Morning :)
Pema Pera: Hi Arch, Gaya, Eliza!
Pema Pera: and good afternoon, Gaya!
Pema Pera: Morning for you too, right, Arch?
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, east coast tme
Pema Pera: Hi Adams!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams :)
Archmage Atlantis: Morning Adams
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Adams :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles... great to see you all
Adams Rubble: Hello everyone :)
Eliza Madrigal: Just before US Thanksgiving and I do feel thankful today :)
Pema Pera: :)
Pema Pera: Hi Sharon!
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Sharon :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Sharon :)
Archmage Atlantis: Somehow, so do I Eliza :)
Pema Pera: Didn't expect so many people the morning before Thanksgiving . . .
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi everyone :)
Gaya Ethaniel is never sure if to call SophiaSharon as SS or Sharon ... :)
Archmage Atlantis: Moning SophiaSharon
Pema Pera: SS Larnia
SophiaSharon Larnia is peeling pototoes (well, not now)
Eliza Madrigal: I've settled on Sharon
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol yes i feel like an SS today
Pema Pera: the good ship Larnia
Gaya Ethaniel: SS Larnia sounds like a ship.
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Eliza Madrigal: hah
Gaya Ethaniel: oh snap
Eliza Madrigal is not peeling potatoes.. has made reservations somewhere...
Archmage Atlantis: chuckle
Archmage Atlantis: Yea, tomorrow is going out to a buffet
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yay Eliza Ive thought many times thats the fun thing to do, really

Pema is becoming a US citizen...

Pema Pera: this is the last year that I am not a US citizen during Thanksgiving, so I can still pretend to be a foreigner and ignore it all :)
Archmage Atlantis: I think it depends on how many ppl are coming
SophiaSharon Larnia: ah Pema :p
Eliza Madrigal: I like to cook for Thanksgiving, too, but no family in or anything
Eliza Madrigal: Exciting Pema!
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: I'll have my fingerprinting done this afternoon and will get a US passport soon
Pema Pera: waiting for jury duty!
Adams Rubble: :)P
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes!
Gaya Ethaniel: How long have you stayed as an alien in US now the Pema?
Eliza Madrigal: Congratulations.. hah, yes you shouldn't have to wait long
Pema Pera: 28 years
Pema Pera: I'm slow in getting "naturalized"
Gaya Ethaniel: heh, you're more stubborn than me.
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Pema Pera: you're a UK citizen, Gaya?
Adams Rubble thinks Pema will like the free turkey suit they give out to everyone :)
Pema Pera: hehehe
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Gaya Ethaniel: I may reach 28 years of being an alien yet, who knows. No still Korean and go through all immigration stuff.
Gaya Ethaniel: What kept you so long Pema?
Pema Pera: dangerous to wear a turkey suit during thanksgiving me thinks
Pema Pera: my work mostly, Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: I see.
SophiaSharon Larnia: will that make traveling harder or easier, Pema?
Archmage Atlantis: Hey, my family has been here since the first ships from England, and no one ever offered me a turky suit, I'll have to look into it
Pema Pera: no better place to work: acceptance of new ideas
Pema Pera: no difference, Sharon
SophiaSharon Larnia: k

I read Arch's line, but responded to Adams, I guess associating historical notions...

Wild Turkey...

Eliza Madrigal: yes, you've got one coming Adams...hehe
Pema Pera: US is still the best place for innovation in work
Eliza Madrigal: Me too....
Adams Rubble looks for hers
SophiaSharon Larnia: (wonders what a turkey suit is)
Pema Pera: hahaha
Pema Pera: Arch, perhaps your forebears got an actual turkey, from the natives!
Pema Pera: little did they know . . . .
Adams Rubble: Hello Widget :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: wishes the holiday had a different beginning
Pema Pera: hi Widget!
Widget Whiteberry: good morning
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Widget :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: or meaning
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Widget :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Widget
Archmage Atlantis: I'm sure some of them may have, don't know, they weren't the colonial gentlemen types, moved to the South and became illiterate for a while
Pema Pera: thanks for the Wild Turkey, Adams, but it seems a bit two-dimensional :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Eliza Madrigal: might help with sharon's cold...
Adams Rubble shrugs
Pema Pera wondering how to uncork his 2-D bottle . . .
Adams Rubble: best my inventory could come up with
Pema Pera: :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: its better now lol
Pema Pera: instead of Sharon, now I have a cold
Adams Rubble: use a scissors :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh no
Pema Pera: great to text, rather than talk, today!
SophiaSharon Larnia: yea i sounded like mickey mouse for a week
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera feels more like Goofy today
Pema Pera: (is that how you spell him?)
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Adams Rubble: yes
Archmage Atlantis: Yep
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Pema Pera: (I read Donald Duck in Dutch translation)
Adams Rubble: :)

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Adams Rubble: wonders about the slobbering in Dutch
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm! :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello gen and Storm :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Storm, Hi Genesis :)
Pema Pera: Hi Storm and Gen!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Gen :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Storm and Genesis :)
Storm Nordwind: Hello everyone
genesis Zhangsun: Hi everyone!@
Archmage Atlantis: I'll have a burger, fries and a malt please Storm......unless the roller entrance wasn't meant as a diner waiter *grin*
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, genesis
Eliza Madrigal: haha, yes the skates are great
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh i missed that lol
Eliza Madrigal: any way to freeze the fountain? :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Storm Nordwind: There's an ice rink next to the Kira Dome
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) will have to check it out
Archmage Atlantis: Ok, ice skates get a pass :)
Storm Nordwind: Free skate dispenser at the entrance
SophiaSharon Larnia: reminds me of my newbie days ;p
Widget Whiteberry: SL is very northern hemisphere - skates are
Widget Whiteberry: the sign of the season
Pema Pera wondering whether we have any SL residence far South enough to skate . . . Fireland?
Storm Nordwind: The Front Range snow is shining in the morning sunlight here
Archmage Atlantis: It's spirng here, even tho it's still the Northern Hemisphere
Widget Whiteberry: some are very well scripted
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow nice Storm
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Widget Whiteberry: I'm on a tidal marsh ...
Widget Whiteberry: well, next* to
Archmage Atlantis: Some of the decoration really look out of place, what with the snow and cold references built in
Pema Pera: talking about decorations, Storm is going to create yet another building, but this time in OpenSim -- for our astronomy group
Archmage Atlantis: Tidal March, soulds like the gulf coast area?
Pema Pera: we had a meeting this morning, just an hour ago
Adams Rubble: wow. that's great Storm and Pema

Storm makes it snow, before our very eyes, which creates a crisp yet comforting setting... 

SophiaSharon Larnia: wow!
genesis Zhangsun: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Funny *grins*
Eliza Madrigal sticks out her tongue
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks, Storm :)
Eliza Madrigal: first taste of winter
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Pema Pera: what does a tidal marsh look like, Widget?
Archmage Atlantis: The first winter I spent up in the NE, the fist flurry of snow, I drove home in a panic, seems silly now :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Pema Pera: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia learned to drive in the snow
Pema Pera learned to skate in the snow
Pema Pera: outdoors
Widget Whiteberry: Tidal marsh ....
Eliza Madrigal: haha, yes I remember the first time I was in snow.. was Colorado and I felt blissful, but everyone kept telling me "This isn't really snow yet"
Widget Whiteberry: water levels go up and down with the tide
Widget Whiteberry: it's saltwater
Pema Pera: can you walk through it?
Widget Whiteberry: lots of birds,
Widget Whiteberry: um no
Widget Whiteberry: not this one
Widget Whiteberry: but you can walk the perimeter
Widget Whiteberry: and people sometimes kayak through it
Widget Whiteberry: it's under the Pacific Flyway
Widget Whiteberry: California coast
Storm Nordwind has lived next to tidal marshes and both sandy and shingle shores
Archmage Atlantis: Not any I don't think, lot of the tidal areas in florida have raised walkways so pl can walk through
Storm Nordwind loves the meditative desolation
Gaya Ethaniel: How does that compared to living by mountains Storm?
Pema Pera walked to Dutch islands off the coast at low tide through tidal flats
Gaya Ethaniel: Notice any differences?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Storm Nordwind: It's different Gaya. It feels very odd to have the sea 1000 miles away!
Widget Whiteberry: different fauna and flora
Gaya Ethaniel: oh ...
Widget Whiteberry: air is different
SophiaSharon Larnia: (is actually starting to feel a little cold with the snow)
Widget Whiteberry: I'm enjoying the snowfall here in SL
Gaya Ethaniel: I used to live closer to the sea so I can imagine that :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: me too
Eliza Madrigal smiles at Sharon... yes, funny

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Storm Nordwind: The sea air was home for me for decades. Now the mountain air is home. Both are exsquisite in their own ways
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, we had a bear in our backyard last week, and now there is an invasion of wild pigs, boar, up to 400 pounds and mean out or the Everglades into the cities
Lodro Kamala is Online
Widget Whiteberry is glad for her warm boots, adds layers of warm things under her sweater

Adams quietly changes into Winter clothes...

Eliza Madrigal: Oh, Adams :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: nice jacket Adams!
Archmage Atlantis: The air becomes clean and clear and fresh in the NE when the snow starts
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Archmage Atlantis: That also was a new exerience for me, years ago
Eliza Madrigal: MMM, crisp and clear... like in SL today even with the snow
Widget Whiteberry: talking about how it feels to be here in SL is raising my awareness of my presence in my physical environment
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hm, me too Widget, how interesting
Gaya Ethaniel: I guess my question to Storm was about noticing how change of environment affecting us 'spiritually'. Living in remote areas like Storm is a good trick in this I think :P
Pema Pera: perhaps a bit like cartoons highlighting what somebody actually looks like, Widget
Gaya Ethaniel: The simplicity of the nature ... :)
Storm Nordwind: Well there are are also different land spirits to converse with too Gaya! And they have different characters in different places :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Gaya Ethaniel: Feng sui?
Gaya Ethaniel: brb
Eliza Madrigal: Both settings, ocean and mountains seem to allow one to experience vast sky...
Widget Whiteberry: Prairie does that too
Pema Pera getting quite good at conversing with the fountain spirit (/9low . . . )
Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
Adams Rubble: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: back
Gaya Ethaniel: Sky ... air, spirit :)
Eliza Madrigal: ah yes... and maybe even the rooftop of a tall building in a city...

Discussion of Thanksgiving food takes an interesting turn...

Adams Rubble: Lots of people passing nearby here today travelling for Thanksgiving
SophiaSharon Larnia: is mesmorized by snowflakes :)
Gaya Ethaniel: hm ... I'm the odd one out re: Thanksgiving :)
Adams Rubble passes Gaya a turkey leg and some mashed potatoes
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Gaya Ethaniel: :D
Storm Nordwind: erk!
Gaya Ethaniel: If you eat turkey in Thanksgiving, what do you eat for Christmas?
SophiaSharon Larnia: and cranberry sauce, i dont know if you ever had that Gaya :)
Adams Rubble: Can eat anything we want at Christmas
Gaya Ethaniel: I think some people have turkey and cranberry sauce in Christmas in UK.
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: ah
Storm Nordwind: Even people Adams? ;)
Adams Rubble: hehe Storm. Not a Christian ritual
Gaya Ethaniel hands a passage to Papua New Guinea to Storm ... :P
SophiaSharon Larnia: it isnt Adams?
Adams Rubble: not to my knowledge Sharon :)
Storm Nordwind smiles at Sharon, knowing exactly what she meant!
Archmage Atlantis: There is never an odd one our, only ppl who chose labels over meaning, all are welcomed by at the harvest table
Adams Rubble is very slow
SophiaSharon Larnia: the eucharist was taken as such, at one time
Gaya Ethaniel: You may find a hidden tribe still doing head-hunting there ... who knows but mostly now converted :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: through not understanding what it may mean, i beleive
Adams Rubble: Becoming Christ
SophiaSharon Larnia: thats how ive intrepreted it
Eliza Madrigal: well the word itself is an interesting one in the ritual... communion... kind of a mingling..

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Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I can't help but think about communion in the context of nature too... we open ourselves to experience 'it all' and it is more open to us...
Archmage Atlantis: Someday, if you look for it on dvd, SS, watch a show called "the pagan christ" about the 3rd century consolidation under Constantine
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Archmage Atlantis: Well, started a poem
Eliza Madrigal: And that this morning the company here is so refreshing, and truly, it seems very warm in the snow...
Eliza Madrigal listens
Archmage Atlantis: During the last meditation period

Archmage Atlantis: Spirit

Water is the life bringer
Frozen now

Or pooled in small

or vast ponds

Gaya Ethaniel: Although seems savage, the head hunting had had a significant spiritual meaning to the tribes ... there was an excellent ethnographic museum in Amsterdam :)
Archmage Atlantis: I have heard that Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: Maybe the Christian ritual has some of such remainder?
Gaya Ethaniel: [though symbolic]
Widget Whiteberry: composing poems can be a great focusing practice - I haven't tried for years
Widget Whiteberry responding to Archmage
SophiaSharon Larnia: that stream has so many branches its hard to tell what came from where
Gaya Ethaniel: Sorry for interruptions. I'm so slow in thinking ... :)

The Eucharist...

Adams Rubble: Eucharist is based on Christ's words
Adams Rubble: "Take eat, this is my body broken for you"
Pema Pera: I like that, Arch, the "small or vast ponds" . . .
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, Adams.. yes true
Pema Pera: that is one emphasis, Adams; another emphasis is: celebrating the fact that everything is already okay
Archmage Atlantis: ty Pema
Pema Pera: like in zen: we all have Buddha nature
Adams Rubble: an act of compassion not unlike the Jataka tale of Buddha and the hungrey tigress
Pema Pera: we all have "God nature" through Christ as the representative in our realm
Adams Rubble: but satiating a spitiual hunger instead
Adams Rubble does not disagree with pema
Eliza Madrigal: hmm, nods...

Brokenness and Revelation...

Pema Pera: It's so interesting to see "God - Holy Spirit - Son" in the light of other traditions, such as Buddhism's "Dharmakaya - Sambhogakaya - Nirmanakaya". In that order: "prayer - speaking in tongues - eucharist"; or simply "mind - speach - body". Or even in physics: "gaseous - fluid - solid".
Gaya Ethaniel: :) can see many things in it I'm sure like anthropological or spirituals like Adams and Pema :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: thats lovely
Pema Pera: "absolute - connection - relative"
Pema Pera: the Holy spirit being the connection
Pema Pera: the "speech"

Archmage Atlantis: There are many different words, and many different practices to touching that which is often called spirit
Eliza Madrigal: MM
SophiaSharon Larnia: like space time and matter, a stretch maybe, but inseperable
Pema Pera: yes, and denied largely in our "modern" culture, Arch

The Holy Spirit...

Pema Pera: the church doesn't quite know what to do with the Holy Spirit
Gaya Ethaniel: Thought Dharmadatu would be close to God ... not sure though.
Adams Rubble: Pema?
Archmage Atlantis: That is a broad statment, to speak of "the church"
Pema Pera: focuses on God and Son mostly, since 1054, Adams
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: the feminine principle of the trinity
Pema Pera: East Orthodox church kept the Holy Spirit
Pema Pera: but Catholic Church lost it largely in 1054
Pema Pera: introduced a work-around
Adams Rubble got lots of Holy Spirit way back when :)
Pema Pera: letting the church hierarchy take over the job
Pema Pera: long story . . . .
Pema Pera: equally important as the reformation, but not well known these days

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Widget Whiteberry: good day to all of you
Storm Nordwind waves
Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Widget :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Widget, Nice to see you :)
Pema Pera: bye Widget!
Widget Whiteberry: nice to see all of you
SophiaSharon Larnia: Bye Widget
Widget Whiteberry: bye!
Adams Rubble: bye Widget :)
Pema Pera: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filioque
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Pema Pera: (oops)
Archmage Atlantis: The anabaptists, like the Amish, do not commit to a belief in their way until young adulthood - after ramspringa - not sure of the spelling there
Adams Rubble: Christianity is very diverse
Pema Pera: Et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum, et vivificantem: qui ex Patre Filioque procedit.
(And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.)
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, it is Adamas
Pema Pera: this was the Catholic way of putting Samboghakaya on a side street
genesis Zhangsun: well I must be off
genesis Zhangsun: thank you all
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Genesis, Good to see you
genesis Zhangsun: have a wonderful day
Gaya Ethaniel: Same here :) Enjoy thanksgiving :)
Pema Pera: putting Father and Son on the highest rank, and Spirit lower
Pema Pera: bye Gen!
Archmage Atlantis: by genesis,
SophiaSharon Larnia: Bye Genesis :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Gaya :) Thanks
Archmage Atlantis: Bye Gaya
Pema Pera: bye Gaya
Adams Rubble: bye Genesis and Gaya
SophiaSharon Larnia: need to learn that connection Pema :)

Yes, we all miss Geo (waves!)

Pema Pera: I'd love to talk with Geo about this, if ever he has time to come again here
Archmage Atlantis: Have a good thanksgiving holiday all, must go, tootaloo
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes that would be great Pema
Adams Rubble misses Geo
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Arch
Adams Rubble: bye Arch
Pema Pera: bye Arch!
Pema Pera: The Christian church has lost Sambhogakaya in two steps
Storm Nordwind will slide off too :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Storm :)
Adams Rubble: bye Storm
Pema Pera: at the schism and at the reformation again
Pema Pera: bye Storm
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Storm :)
Pema Pera: once every five hundred years . . .
Pema Pera: hopefully time to regain now ?
SophiaSharon Larnia watches Storm skate away hahaha
Eliza Madrigal: I need to be going too, but look forward to posting this log... Appreciate you all so much!
Adams Rubble: (The article froze my Firefox :( )
Storm Nordwind is Offline
Pema Pera: bye everybody!
Adams Rubble: bye Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza
Adams Rubble: bye pema
Pema Pera shaking the last few snow flakes out of his hair
Pema Pera: bfn
SophiaSharon Larnia: Im off too, have a great day and dinner If I dont see you
Eliza Madrigal: hahhah
SophiaSharon Larnia: grins
Adams Rubble: bye Sharon
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, You too Sharon... have fun with the potatoes
Eliza Madrigal: hah
SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah
Adams Rubble: Guess I'll go too :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks!
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Adams, Pema Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Adams, so glad you came today
Adams Rubble: :)