2008.12.01 19:00 - If You're a Super Tiny Acrobat

Adelene was the guardian that night. She sent me, Pema, the chat log, which I put up. I also provided the title.

Bell: *ding*
Soren Reinard: makes sense
Soren Reinard: well ty for giving me an opportunity to join this event tonite
Adelene Dawner looks at her friend list... might be a quiet night tonight.
Adelene Dawner: You're certainly welcome, though. ^.^
Soren Reinard: appreciate that
Adelene Dawner: Like I said, the group meets every 6 hours - 1am, 7am, 1pm, 7pm SLT. Feel free to come to any meetings that are convenient. ^.^
Soren Reinard: this is defintely the best
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Adelene Dawner: Have you found the part about the 9-second mediations yet?
Soren Reinard: huh? just saw a short page and links to past chats
Adelene Dawner: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Information/Hints
Adelene Dawner: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Information/Play_As_Being_in_a_Nutshell
Soren Reinard: didnt see these
Adelene Dawner: They are kind of hidden, those two... there should be something a bit more obvious, but apparently not very, as neither of us found it.
Adelene Dawner: Not everyone does the 9-second meditations - I don't, for one - but those that do have found them useful, and the idea is interesting.
Soren Reinard: well i meditate in a different way
Adelene Dawner: oh?
Soren Reinard: but yes, cursious to know how it works
Soren Reinard: my form of meditation is sometimes called the "dead man's pose"
Soren Reinard: when you lay in bed next time
Adelene Dawner: Several of the guardians have other, more formal meditative practices... interesting to hear about. ^.^
Soren Reinard: release all your muscles, and relax
Soren Reinard: you focus of complete relaxations
Soren Reinard: as in ever muscle
Soren Reinard: and then let your mind drift off to emptiness
Adelene Dawner chuckles. "Like most meditations, it seems to assume that I'm starting from someplace other than where I am."
Soren Reinard: so what do you envision as reality?
Soren Reinard: is SL reality to you?
Adelene Dawner: Part of, yes.
Soren Reinard: sorry, just making convo if it felt interrupted
Adelene Dawner: nope, no worries ^.^
Adelene Dawner: SL is part of reality, and a fairly useful part at that. ^.^
Soren Reinard: agree
Soren Reinard: i try to see a real person behind every avatar, yet to so many, it's just a fantasy
Soren Reinard: and switching off the computer means switching off another human being
Adelene Dawner chuckles. "That it is a fantasy to them is part of their reality, whether they see it or not. Why is the SL persona any less real than the FL persona?"
Soren Reinard: by that definition it become a second persona....an alternate identity based on the environment surrounding you
Bell: *ding*
Adelene Dawner: People do that in first life all the time, and nobody considers those personas 'unreal'.
Soren Reinard: true
Soren Reinard: why?
Adelene Dawner considers the tendency to do that part of the nature of those who do... for them to do it, in any circumstance, is a manifestation of who and what they are.
Adelene Dawner: As to why they do, though... no clue. It's not my nature to do so, that I'm aware of anyway, and I'm pretty sure I'm actually incapable of it.
Soren Reinard: could it be because of a need of some sort?
Adelene Dawner: I'd assume so, yes.
Adelene Dawner: It looks like people who do that... are not at peace with what they are... incomplete grokking of the practicalities of the concept of perfection, the idea that appearance counts more than reality.
Soren Reinard: hello Tara
Adelene Dawner: Hi Tara ^.^
Tara Enyo: hey
Tara Enyo: mind if I join?
Adelene Dawner: Not at all! ^.^
Soren Reinard: very well said Ade
Tara Enyo: you all were talking reality...
Soren Reinard: welcome Tara
Tara Enyo: thanks Soren
Adelene Dawner: [19:12] Soren Reinard: i try to see a real person behind every avatar, yet to so many, it's just a fantasy
Soren Reinard: and switching off the computer means switching off another human being
delene Dawner chuckles. "That it is a fantasy to them is part of their reality, whether they see it or not. Why is the SL persona any less real than the FL persona?"
Soren Reinard: by that definition it become a second persona....an alternate identity based on the environment surrounding you
ell: *ding*
delene Dawner: People do that in first life all the time, and nobody considers those personas 'unreal'.
Soren Reinard: true
Soren Reinard: why?
delene Dawner considers the tendency to do that part of the nature of those who do... for them to do it, in any circumstance, is a manifestation of who and what they are.
Adelene Dawner: [19:19] Adelene Dawner: As to why they do, though... no clue. It's not my nature to do so, that I'm aware of anyway, and I'm pretty sure I'm actually incapable of it.
Soren Reinard: could it be because of a need of some sort?
delene Dawner: I'd assume so, yes.
Tara Enyo: I think we live in the matrix in RL.
Soren Reinard: aha
Tara Enyo: In tibetian buddhism, they speak of dream yoga.... intense practice involving lucid dreaming
Adelene Dawner: Actually, Tara, the logic is such that if it's physically possible for us to be in a simulation, we almost certainly are...
Soren Reinard: well as a physicist, there's this concept of the "holographic principle"
Soren Reinard: that we are all just computations and projections of universe doing "math"
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Adelene Dawner: oop. we lost Tara
Soren Reinard: crash?
Adelene Dawner shrugs. "I'd assume."
Soren Reinard: hello again claire
Adelene Dawner: Hi, by the way, Claire. ^.^
Claire Beltran: Hello ^-6/
Adelene Dawner: Gee, it got quiet.
Soren Reinard: rather
Soren Reinard: lol
Soren Reinard: so what topic shall we discuss?
Adelene Dawner: Hi, Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: waves
Soren Reinard: hello Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: showing niece from CA around
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Soren
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Claire
Adelene Dawner: Hullo, Steve's niece. ^.^
Bell: *ding*
Soren Reinard: *silence*
stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes it has a nice (anti) sound to it
Soren Reinard: the silence can be loud
Soren Reinard: hi Reno
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Reno, come join us, have a seat
Claire Beltran: Sorry, just had to make a camera adjustment.
Soren Reinard: so what topic shall we engage in?
Claire Beltran scratches at the base of Adelene's neck.
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
stevenaia Michinaga: I may distracted now and then by my guest, but happy to chim in when focused
Soren Reinard: tara brought up an interesting hypothesis
Soren Reinard: that we live in the matrix
stevenaia Michinaga: we do here
Soren Reinard: but if we do, why are we not "waking up" as we realize this?
Soren Reinard: ah yes....infact, it's suggested in the furture, ppl could plug in to SL
stevenaia Michinaga: ask the script writer, the matrix was a movie
Adelene Dawner: Maybe it'd defeat the purpose, if we did?
stevenaia Michinaga: I have read that, in someones future the likelyhood that any reality could be a simulation being run someone on a machine, perhaps even our reality could be
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Corvi
Soren Reinard: hello corva
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, all! Yay!! Claire!
Adelene Dawner grins at Corvi's enthusiasm.
Corvuscorva Nightfire grins at Claire whom she has not seen online for quite a while.
Adelene Dawner pokes Claire.
Soren Reinard: Corvi, if you dont mind my asking, is there a meaning to the name?
Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles..I love when people ask, actually.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Corvus is the family of birds that includes crows, ravens and magpies.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I'm very fond of crows.
Soren Reinard: aha, you learn new things each day
Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
Soren Reinard: ....
Adelene Dawner: We're quiet, sometimes. ^.^
Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles..anything you'd like to discuss Soren?
Bell: *ding*
Soren Reinard: oh i believe i've said quite a bit already and have maybe too much to say
Claire Beltran: 'Scuse me, folks... I have to duck out for something.
Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs...you'll fit right in, then, Soren.
Soren Reinard: so perhaps i should give others an opportuinuty
Adelene Dawner: ok, Claire. See you later?
Claire Beltran: I might be back later... *waves*
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye Claire..
Corvuscorva Nightfire: oops
Adelene Dawner: No worries, Soren. If you have something to say, feel free!
Soren Reinard: ok then...hmm
Soren Reinard: have any of you considered the beauty of the laws of the universe? how something so massive and so complex, to the simplest things, have the same rules?
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Corvuscorva Nightfire nodsnods.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: It's an odd thing, isn't it.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: that it works like that.
Soren Reinard: as a scientist, my work entails searching and understanding those laws
Corvuscorva Nightfire: what kind of scientist?
Soren Reinard: and the more i learn, the more i'm amazed
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Soren Reinard: i'm an electrical engineer by degree and the doctorate i'm seeking, but a physicist by heart
Soren Reinard: even more fascinating is the "strange" nature of reality and these laws - strange in quotes because that's what they seem like at our level of things
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods. In a way those are the most fun for me....they seem so logical until you get to the roots.
Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
Soren Reinard: yet it's reality
Corvuscorva Nightfire: yes.
Soren Reinard: are there any scientific concepts that intrigue you?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Right now I've been thinking about dimensions...and how they appear from one to another.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: like4th dimension and how it appears in the third...and how 5th might appear in 4...
Soren Reinard: aha
Soren Reinard: may i try to explain?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: please!!!!
Soren Reinard: hehe ok
Soren Reinard: well lets start at the very basics
Soren Reinard: a dimension is simply a measurement
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods...smiles at Ade's diagram
Adelene Dawner: Here, this may be useful.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Ade and I have been talking about this, too.
Soren Reinard: pefecto
Corvuscorva Nightfire: or rather...Ade diagramed it.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: and I sputtered at her.
Soren Reinard: now our world is 3 dimensional as you already know
Adelene Dawner chuckles.
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Soren Reinard: we go front-back, left-righ-up down
Soren Reinard: if you want to specify any event, like the location of an apple, you describe it by those 3 dimensions
Soren Reinard: however, there's a 4th dimension, and that's time
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: right.
Soren Reinard: any event you describe is 3 for location and 1 of time
Corvuscorva Nightfire: mmhmm.
Soren Reinard: now, here's the catch, that's at our level....at sizes that we see everyday
Soren Reinard: imagine you're an ant
Soren Reinard: a very tiny ant, and you're on a big ball
Soren Reinard: infact, forget about the ball
Corvuscorva Nightfire grins..ok.
Soren Reinard: but as an ant, you only move forwards and backwards, left and right
Soren Reinard: you live in a 2-dimensional space
Soren Reinard: so you see how 3 dimensions of space go to 2?
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Soren Reinard: now lets go some more interesting cases
Soren Reinard: imagine a thin wire
Soren Reinard: how many dimensions to you think a thin straight wire has?
Bell: *ding*
Corvuscorva Nightfire: 1
Soren Reinard: exactly
Corvuscorva Nightfire: back and forth
Soren Reinard: now if you're a tiny being on the wire, how many dimensions do you think you have?
Adelene Dawner: Two, if it has the potential to change in time, actually.
Soren Reinard: yep, 1 dimension of space and 1 of time
Soren Reinard: you could say the dimension of time is always there
Soren Reinard: so we usually just talk about space
Corvuscorva Nightfire grins at Ade and scritches her head.
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Soren Reinard: so lets look at the wire this way, if you're an acrobat, the wire has only one dimension
Soren Reinard: back and forth
Soren Reinard: but if you're a super tiny acrobat, there's actually 2 dimensions
Soren Reinard: of space!
Adelene Dawner: What I find interesting is when we get past the time dimension... we cound time as 4th, so what does 5d imply? 6? They say there's supposed to be 11 dimensions, what does that mean?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: only 11?
Soren Reinard: you can walk back and forth, but you can also go around the rope
Corvuscorva Nightfire: not an infinite number?
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods at Soren.
Soren Reinard: aha! string theory :D
Adelene Dawner: 11 or 19 or some impossible-to-conceptualize-but-surprisingly-small number, yes.
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods, frowning...
Soren Reinard: well lets see how these things work
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I like that we're going down...for now.
Soren Reinard: we can define every process in the universe by a mathematical equation
Soren Reinard: now, what these equations do is explain how things change in these dimensions
Corvuscorva Nightfire imagines little equations following each event like the numbers over her head.
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Soren Reinard: pretty much haha
Soren Reinard: now we scientists have this thing that nature doesnt have a bunch of different equations for different processes
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: You'd like to sum it up in one big old equation.
Soren Reinard: we've found that all the equations we have are perfect in 4-d, 3 or space and 1 of time
Soren Reinard: bingo....why should nature differentiate? unless she's alive
Soren Reinard: and conscious
Soren Reinard: but that's beyond science as we cant experimentally test that idea
Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I like the idea too.
Soren Reinard: now the problem is this....
Soren Reinard: if you do try to combine the basic laws into 1 basic law, you require 11 dimensions
Soren Reinard: 10 of space and 1 of time
Soren Reinard: and it's beautiful and elegant, and maybe that's what reality is
Corvuscorva Nightfire: hum.
Soren Reinard: problem is, it happen at such small sizes that we cant measure things there yet
Adelene Dawner: "10 of space and 1 of time" - this feels wrong...
Soren Reinard: any reason for that?
Adelene Dawner: Time doesn't make sense without an observer... it's a description of how a dimension is observed, not of the dimension itself.
Soren Reinard: bwahahah
Soren Reinard: you've hit at the heart of relativity
Adelene Dawner: ?
Adelene Dawner: Ah. Not surprised. ^.^
Soren Reinard: einstein defined time as simultaneity
Soren Reinard: when you see, the train arrives at 7 o clock
Soren Reinard: that means that the train arrives right when you're clock's hand points to 7
Soren Reinard: this means to define time, we need periodic events
Soren Reinard: lets actually see how space and time came to be
Adelene Dawner: I drew those lines as arrows for a reason... the whole line *is*, but we're pulled, or fall, or something, along the lines at an apparently steady rate.
Soren Reinard: now this is one point of view
Soren Reinard: we dont know yet for sure
Soren Reinard: but lets start with emptiness
Soren Reinard: nothin
Soren Reinard: you cant define space....because you cant define a movement
Adelene Dawner whispers to Corvi "It's going to be scary when he and Pema meet. We may never get to the end of the conversation." ^.^
Corvuscorva Nightfire: movement...is always involved with time...
Corvuscorva Nightfire whispers back...it'll be fun, though.
Soren Reinard: well even if there's no movement
Adelene Dawner nods. ^.^
Soren Reinard: just finding a position in pure emptiness is impossible
Soren Reinard: you need to define space by puttin things in it :), and these things were the first particles
Corvuscorva Nightfire cogitates on this.....and finds an answer to another question...
Soren Reinard: why ty ladies hehe
Corvuscorva Nightfire looks around for ladies.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: where?
Soren Reinard: lady and lioness :P
Corvuscorva Nightfire snickers...
Adelene Dawner chuckles.
Soren Reinard: so you put two particles, you have a line
Soren Reinard: and a direction
Bell: *ding*
Soren Reinard: now, when things start to rotate around each other, we have periodic motion
Soren Reinard: and we can start saying, when particle c went from one location to another, particle b went around a 3 times
Soren Reinard: so we've defined time
Corvuscorva Nightfire scrtiches Ade's ears absently in response to the purring...so....
Corvuscorva Nightfire: so...time, and direction....
Corvuscorva Nightfire: but what happens with the next dimension?
Soren Reinard: all dimesions are just space and time....which arent really different, they're interaleted really jsut different aspects of the same thing
Soren Reinard: now to see beyond the 3 dimensions of space, here's the problem......if they do exist, they're so small
Soren Reinard: you have to shrink down to levels we've never measured before you see things at that level
Adelene Dawner: ..explain that?
Soren Reinard: lets go back to the tightrope example
Soren Reinard: to a tight rope walker, the wire only has one dimension
Soren Reinard: but to an ant on the same rope, it is 2d - the ant can go forward and back like the walker
Soren Reinard: but also around the wire
Corvuscorva Nightfire: wouldn't that be 3d?
stevenaia Michinaga: night all
Adelene Dawner nods at Corvi.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye, STeve!
Soren Reinard: well for an ant it's 2-d
Soren Reinard: because any movement can be described by forward-back and rotational angle
Adelene Dawner: Put it this way - why should it depend on the observer? Reality's reality.
Soren Reinard: yep, and we try to define dimensions in terms of the least number that we need to describe an event
Adelene Dawner: you're changing subjects, I think...
Adelene Dawner: [20:21] Soren Reinard: you have to shrink down to levels we've never measured before you see things at that level
delene Dawner: ..explain that?
Soren Reinard: oh oops....good point
Soren Reinard: back to topic lol
Soren Reinard: still related
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Soren Reinard: yes reality's reality
Soren Reinard: atleast the theory suggests it's 11 dimensions
Soren Reinard: 10space + 1 time
Soren Reinard: but like the tightrope walker only sees 1, we only see 3 space dimesnions of the 10
Adelene Dawner rumbles.
Soren Reinard: because the other 7 are too small
Adelene Dawner: You keep saying that... it keeps not making sense.
Soren Reinard: hmm
Soren Reinard: lets see
Soren Reinard: which part confuses you?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: the small part
Adelene Dawner: how can a dimension be 'small'?
Adelene Dawner: That's like saying 'north' is small. Or blue. It just doesn't parse.
Soren Reinard: ah yes, when it curls on itself
Soren Reinard: and that means it's finite
Corvuscorva Nightfire: hm?
Adelene Dawner: ....... o.O
Soren Reinard: if you take a paper
Corvuscorva Nightfire is confused by the finite bit.
Soren Reinard: and roll it into a cylinder
Soren Reinard: you can define 2 dimensions on it (i'm assuming you cant go inside the cylinder, and can only move on the surface)
Soren Reinard: do you see the two independent axes on the surface? the dimensions?
Adelene Dawner: So... the other dimensions.... repeat?
Bell: *ding*
Soren Reinard: now the cylinder's surface is 2 dimensions, right?
Adelene Dawner imagines walking around the outside of a cylinder and eventually going "haven't I been here before?"
Soren Reinard: walking on the surface, you can go along the length and around it
Soren Reinard: and there's your finite dimension
Soren Reinard: see you figured it out yourself ㋡
Adelene Dawner: ...........
Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
Soren Reinard: now the length is the infinite dimension
Soren Reinard: coz you can keep going in that direaction without saying "haven't I been here before?"
Adelene Dawner: But that only works... your repeating dimensions, I mean... if you have an observer limited to that dimension. If I step back from the cylinder, I can see that it's really a 3d shape and not a 2d plane at all.
Soren Reinard: ah well lets be careful here....for you to actually "see" a dimension means you can measure along it
Soren Reinard: if you're restricted to the surface, it's not 3d anymore
Adelene Dawner: My point is, you're assuming an obbserver... that seems like a rather unsupported fundamental assumption...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: nono...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: wait
Corvuscorva Nightfire: can't you conceptualize beyond what you can see and measure?
Adelene Dawner nods at Corvi. "That, too."
Soren Reinard: well then it's not science is it? it becomes philosophy ㋡
Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh yes...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: absolutely.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: but...
Soren Reinard: and nothing wrong with that
Corvuscorva Nightfire: the two intertwine so well.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: in this case especially.
Soren Reinard: the key preface to all science is "as we have observed it, ......"
Corvuscorva Nightfire: because...if you get it down well enough...the concept becomes the math.
Soren Reinard: something that's always never mentioned
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods, understanding.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: but...the science is beginning to move beyond that concept...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: to conceptualizing the ideas as math...beyond observation.
Soren Reinard: so yes, ade's point, we have to describe what we observe
Soren Reinard: well the thing is if they're scientific theories, those math still follow the basic rules of science that developed the math in the first place
Soren Reinard: infact, all math is physical
Soren Reinard: start at the most basic...counting
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods..to the first statement and raises her brows to the second!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: it is?
Soren Reinard: 1+1 = 2
Adelene Dawner: I think what I'm getting at is... if there was no observer, what would be there? Or if there were observers with radically different ways of observing, what fundamental similarities would they find?
Soren Reinard: it's 2 because the first mathematician saw 1 rock and anothe rock
Soren Reinard: and said these are 2
Soren Reinard: then he took away rocks and invented subtraction
Soren Reinard: and you can see the concepts of division, fractions, functions, calculus, etc etc come from there
Soren Reinard: ultimately, math and logic actually, depends on what we see
Soren Reinard: now if there's no observer, my best answer would be...."i dont know"
Soren Reinard: if there's obsevers with different ways of observing, the similarities would be reality, and the differences would be how they perceive reality
Adelene Dawner nods. "So how about an observer who *isn't* inorexably pulled through one of the dimensions in a timelike fashion?"
Soren Reinard: oooo
Soren Reinard: expand on that please
Corvuscorva Nightfire grins...and listens to Ade.
Adelene Dawner shrugs. "Just throwing it out there. That's the crux of why I'm questioning your '10+time' thing... it doesn't *have* to be that way."
Soren Reinard: oh absolutely not
Soren Reinard: infact alternate theories say why have a single string theory?
Soren Reinard: stick with the fundamental particles and you have just 4
Soren Reinard: what we seem to be comfy with
Soren Reinard: and the beauty of it all is, we dont know who's right...yet!
Adelene Dawner chuckles. "Maybe one of these days I should actually find some physics classes to take."
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods to Ade, and nodsnods.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: wish you would.
Soren Reinard: the main thing is this tho
Soren Reinard: ultimately, any theory you come up with
Soren Reinard: if you want it to be a contribution to how reality is
Bell: *ding*
Soren Reinard: it better describe what we see, and make predictions that can be tested
Corvuscorva Nightfire nos.
Adelene Dawner scoffs. "Reality is what it is... I literally can't contribute to that. I can contribute to our understanding, though, maybe." ^.^
Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods.
Soren Reinard: and if it succeeds, it might be a good description of reality....mind you, it could just be an illusion that works because we havent "seen" other aspects of reality
Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
Soren Reinard: contribute to understanding it teehee
Corvuscorva Nightfire: and....playing with the math...the concepts..the pictures....can lead to new ways of looking for confirmation.
Soren Reinard: bingo
Corvuscorva Nightfire: for testing...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: so....philosophy....
Soren Reinard: well philosophy has 2 braches - natural philosophy which goes to science
Soren Reinard: and the other which i dont know the name of....which involves plain conceptualizing and thinking
Soren Reinard: the thing is, philosophy is crucial in interpretating our findings
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Soren Reinard: that's why all scientists have doctorates in philosophy *grin*
Corvuscorva Nightfire: it's crucial in thinking up hypothesis, too.
Soren Reinard: yep
Soren Reinard: infact, science was originally just philosophy
Soren Reinard: and it definitely is a lot of imagination
Soren Reinard: you just imagine things, mathematically formulate them, test them....and repeat, till you come to something that works consistently
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Soren Reinard: and yes, the observer is important Ade :P
Soren Reinard: but you should always know that a scientist always means "as far as we've observed..."
Adelene Dawner: mmhmm
Soren Reinard: once you've observed an aspect of reality and understand it, then that's reality's part that you understand
Soren Reinard: and it doesnt matter if you observe it or not
Soren Reinard: it's there
Adelene Dawner nods.
Soren Reinard: oh btw, we havent even talked about the curvature of space time
Adelene Dawner: ?
Adelene Dawner notes that it is getting late...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: ook
Soren Reinard: haha
Soren Reinard: yeah, i was about to mention
Corvuscorva Nightfire: time, dammit
Adelene Dawner: Near midnight, for us two, and I think Corvi has work tomorrow...
Soren Reinard: same here
Adelene Dawner: We'll be back tomorrow, though. ^.^
Soren Reinard: well it was an honor meeting and conversing with you guys
Soren Reinard: and sorry for going on and on lol
Adelene Dawner: indeed! This was fun!
Corvuscorva Nightfire grins...
Soren Reinard: i will definitely try to join as many as i can
Soren Reinard: ty very much corvi
Adelene Dawner swats Soren with her tail in response to the apology.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: It was lots of fun...thank you, Soren.
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Soren Reinard: no thank you guys
Corvuscorva Nightfire: we egged you on...please don't think you went on without provocation!
Adelene Dawner: hehe
Soren Reinard: hahaha
Soren Reinard: well the questions and issues are very deep
Soren Reinard: and i am by no means an expert
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods. Brain twisty and fun.
Soren Reinard: so it's all part of learning and rediscovery for me too
Adelene Dawner: It will be interesting when you meet Pema - he's also a physicist.
Soren Reinard: nice
Soren Reinard: we tend to be wackos lol
Adelene Dawner: We've noticed!
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Corvuscorva Nightfire giggles.
Adelene Dawner: But fun wackos.
Soren Reinard: hehe
Adelene Dawner: Anyway... bedtime...
Soren Reinard: ni ni dear lady and lioness
Bell: *ding*
Adelene Dawner giggles. "'Night, Soren."
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Night, Soren.
Corvuscorva Nightfire shakes her head at the "lady" thing.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: laughs.
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Soren Reinard: lol hey, only trying to be a gentleman
Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs...well, Sir...Thank you.
Corvuscorva Nightfire curtseys awkwardly.
Adelene Dawner snerks.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Steve!
Soren Reinard bows
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
Soren Reinard: i bid the all adieu
stevenaia Michinaga: you guys get it all worked out?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Adieu!!!
Soren Reinard: haha in an interesting way
Soren Reinard: well hi and bye steve
Soren Reinard: hope to catch you sometime!
stevenaia Michinaga: I;m sure you will
Adelene Dawner yawns widely.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: night, Ade?
Adelene Dawner: mmhmm
Corvuscorva Nightfire hugs her..sleep well.
stevenaia Michinaga: see you later...smile
Adelene Dawner purrs. "You too, Love. Sleep well."