2008.12.17 01:00 - A Quiet Hallucination

The Guardian for this meeting was Wester Kiranov. The comments are Wester's.

I had been sitting quietly on my own for about five minutes. Then Sonic and Crusty arrived.

Sonic Moonites: morning wester
Wester Kiranov: hi sonic
Sonic Moonites: how are you today?
Wester Kiranov: I'm fine
Wester Kiranov: first time as guardian on call
Wester Kiranov: how are you?
Sonic Moonites: oh ok, great! Im fine thanks
Sonic Moonites: a little early for lots of people I presume!
Wester Kiranov: I suppose so
Wester Kiranov: it's 10 am here, so that's ok for me
Sonic Moonites: yes, its only 9am here
Wester Kiranov: hi crusty
Sonic Moonites: hi crusty
Crusty Goldshark: hi guys
Wester Kiranov: how are you?
Crusty Goldshark: well thank you

Crusty wanted to talk about hallucinations - or the nature of reality.

Crusty Goldshark: Are we discussing the hallucinations?
Wester Kiranov: we weren't discussing anything yet
Wester Kiranov: what hallucinations?`
Crusty Goldshark: The ones we are not having . .
Crusty Goldshark: OK how about the nature of reality . . .?
Sonic Moonites: sure thing
Crusty Goldshark: So Sonic how real are you :)
Crusty Goldshark: ?
Wester Kiranov: My reality at the moment includes two two-year olds that are tugging at me :)
Sonic Moonites: hmmm
Sonic Moonites: difficult question crusty
Wester Kiranov: so if i'm sometimes a bit distracted that's why
Crusty Goldshark: You must be hallucinating in real life - Neither me or Sonic can see them . . .
Sonic Moonites: ;)
Wester Kiranov: or i'm hallucinating seeing you two
Crusty Goldshark: Perhaps you are a butterfly dreaming of a Real Life?
Crusty Goldshark: :)
Sonic Moonites: im not too sure it matters if we are hallucinating or not
Wester Kiranov: it's probably a gliding scale
Sonic Moonites: hallucinating implies an impairment, where as we probably create false thoughts about ourselves that aren't real, false conceptions
Crusty Goldshark: yes
Crusty Goldshark: which of those matters more - false conceptions or an impairment?
Wester Kiranov: aren't these thoughts an impairment too?
Crusty Goldshark: Yes Wester - agreed
Sonic Moonites: yes it's difficult, a misconception in thought can lead to just as severe consequence as a hallucination
Sonic Moonites: perhaps an impairment or perhaps necessary to protect us from reality
Crusty Goldshark: they are a perceptual hallucination and on their basis we act as if they are real and meaningful - so what about the idea of acting without acting?
Sonic Moonites: acting without acting?
Wester Kiranov: sonic - why do we need protection from reality?
Crusty Goldshark: Acting without acting refers to a more natural and spontaneous arising on action based on moment to moment awareness . . .
Sonic Moonites: perhaps we need it because we are not ready to accept things- how inconsequencial we are as individuals? the reality of our flaws..
Crusty Goldshark: What makes us ready?
Sonic Moonites: i'm not sure crusty ;)
Crusty Goldshark: Honesty? Integrity? Getting real?
Sonic Moonites: perhaps we tackle one at a time, and see what we can take?
Crusty Goldshark: I think it is dangerous to lead a life of delusions - in a sense you are wasting your life in a SL that you pretend is a Real Life . . .
Sonic Moonites: but perhaps more dangerous to drop everything immediately with no idea how you will react - if it is even possible
Wester Kiranov: i was going to say that
Wester Kiranov: i mean, i agree
Crusty Goldshark: Why do you need an idea - what idea is required to be natural and spontaneous to a greater degreee . . .
Crusty Goldshark: :)
Sonic Moonites: good question crusty
Wester Kiranov: you need some sense of what you're getting into - if only because otherwise, what's the motivation?
Wester Kiranov: and "to be natural and spontaneous to a greater degree" is an idea
Crusty Goldshark: Not everything requires a motivation - we can smile because we are happy
Sonic Moonites: sorry guys i have to shoot
Wester Kiranov: bye then
Crusty Goldshark: See you Sonic
Sonic Moonites: but great conversation this morning
Crusty Goldshark: I will say bye too
Sonic Moonites: bye
Crusty Goldshark: :)
Wester Kiranov: bye

After they left at 1:30 I sat there for five more minutes.