2008.12.10 07:00 - Big Bigness

"all" has no edges - CH

Fael Illyar: Hi Cal :)
Caledonia Heron: hey there :)
Susi Alcott: hi Cal
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Cal.
Crusty Goldshark: hi cal
Caledonia Heron: heya, hi, howdy, hola :)
Crusty Goldshark: :)
Fael Illyar: Corvi liked the conversation enough that it's posted on her blog at
Fael Illyar: Well, the start of it at least :)
Faenik: indeed?
Crusty Goldshark: hi adams
Caledonia Heron: hi Susi, your label says you are a guardian, ... it's nice to meet you :)
Susi Alcott: ty
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi adams!
Caledonia Heron: hey Adams :)
Susi Alcott: nice to meet U too
Susi Alcott: hi Adams
Corvuscorva Nightfire: sorry, Susi..I missed a bit at the top.
Adams Dubrovna: Hello Everyone :)
Caledonia Heron: how's everyone doing?
Adams Dubrovna: Nice to meet you Susi :)
Susi Alcott: ty the same
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I am doing ok...hope you are?
Susi Alcott: yes

  

Caledonia Heron: good :) I'm in the south, it flippin snowed ... !!!
Fael Illyar: I'm doing quite good today :)
Crusty Goldshark: Snow is good
Adams Dubrovna: sez you Crusty :)
Caledonia Heron: lol, if you're outside, it's good for about 20 min :)
Crusty Goldshark: :)
Caledonia Heron: unless you're <12 yr old :)
Crusty Goldshark: snow is cold?
Caledonia Heron: merely an illusion :)
Crusty Goldshark: 12 yr old - may favourite age to remain at . . .
Fael Illyar: Hello ynot
Caledonia Heron: most excellent age for gross out jokes :)
Crusty Goldshark: Anyone practice tumo?
ynot Kytori: Hello
Faenik: could be
Crusty Goldshark: hello ynot
Caledonia Heron: hey ynot :)
Adams Dubrovna: Hello ynot
ynot Kytori: Hi everyone
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi
Susi Alcott: hi ynot

  

Caledonia Heron: would you care to join us? we are the play as being discussion group
ynot Kytori: Sure
Crusty Goldshark: Apart from me - I gibber in the corner . . .
Caledonia Heron:
http://playasbeing.wik.is
 for info
ynot Kytori: Thanks
Caledonia Heron: we record our sessions, are you ok with your comments included?
ynot Kytori: Yes
Caledonia Heron: ok ty :)

  

Crusty Goldshark: I am still working up to meditating for the full 9 seconds
Caledonia Heron: that being said ... as we were :)
Adams Dubrovna: :) Crusty
Caledonia Heron: don't tax yourself :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire knows he's just looking for a pillow whopping.
Crusty Goldshark: thanks cal
Adams Dubrovna: Once you get up to 8 1/2 seconds, the last one is easy
Crusty Goldshark: [looks worried] got bashed twice this morning - must be good . ..
Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I'll try not to be too intimidating today.
Caledonia Heron: it's that time of year ... naughty or nice :)
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Caledonia Heron: maybe I'll be nicely naughty
Fael Illyar smiles.
Crusty Goldshark: I find that when I do a lot of meditation I generate tumo or inner heat - just don't feel the cold - 9 secs probably won't be long enough for tumo
Susi Alcott: _/!\_

  

Crusty Goldshark: Part of this groups remit is about reality . . . wassat?
Fael Illyar: remit? what's that?
Caledonia Heron: idk, some made up thing people seem to glom onto :)
Crusty Goldshark: remit - eh - reason for being at play . . .
Fael Illyar: well, suppose it is about reality, especially when it's trying to have people realize it's not as solid as they thought :)
Crusty Goldshark: So what is unreal?
Fael Illyar: why does it have to mean it's unreal?
Susi Alcott: nothing
Crusty Goldshark: If people experience something does it have a form of reality?
Susi Alcott: sure
Susi Alcott: you crusty said something about tumo...
Crusty Goldshark: So is nothing unreal or experiencable? What have those crazy Buddhists been up to?
Caledonia Heron: it's a framework - a form the experience can be explained in maybe
Crusty Goldshark: About tumo - yes?
Caledonia Heron: ultimely no-thing Crusty
Caledonia Heron: nothing
Susi Alcott: maybe buddhism aims to help ppl to see more possibilities to change something they want to change
Caledonia Heron: maybe it's another framework -
Susi Alcott: yes
Caledonia Heron: a perspective

  

Crusty Goldshark: A sort of pragmatic pschology this Buddhism then?
Susi Alcott: your very right
Fael Illyar: Yes, that sounds about right.
Crusty Goldshark: not politically
Faenik: why not?
Susi Alcott: surely not political
Crusty Goldshark: I am too much of a fascist to belong to a party . . .
Caledonia Heron: like the explanation frameworks people subscribe to, some to religion, some to science, a way to explain experience
Crusty Goldshark: :)
Susi Alcott: truely ?
Caledonia Heron: it's a joke son :)
Susi Alcott: ty
Susi Alcott: sry; I dont have so huge much sense of humor
Caledonia Heron: s'ok, plenty in residence here, it will rub off :)
Crusty Goldshark: me neither - humour is very difficult to type in . . .
Susi Alcott: lol
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Caledonia Heron: sometimes it works in text :)
Faenik: ????^^
Fael Illyar smiles.
Susi Alcott: ;0)

  

Crusty Goldshark: Can we be aware in a particular way during our 9 seconds - for example be aware in a humorous way?
Susi Alcott: sure
Crusty Goldshark: Kewl
Caledonia Heron: yeah, I think so
Caledonia Heron: some 9 secs rock your boat more/less/different I think
Adams Dubrovna: Excuse me, RL calls. Bye everyone :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye, Adams.
Crusty Goldshark: I think I might do 9 seconds of hysterical inner laughter - in an aware sort of way [dodges pillow]
Crusty Goldshark: Bye Adams
Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
Caledonia Heron: sometimes I don't know how long it is ... the "nine" part of the 9sec is a sleight of hand methinks :)

  

Fael Illyar has a faint recollection of bursting laughing after one specific 9-seconds.
Fael Illyar: no recollection of what it was about though :)
Crusty Goldshark: Well the reason I ask is because awareness can have flavours or moods we can be aware in a particular mood. Is that right?
Susi Alcott: indeed
Crusty Goldshark: What I mean is we can generate mood
Corvuscorva Nightfire: my understanding is that we all get to choose how our 9 seconds happens.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: or experiment in our own way with it
Corvuscorva Nightfire: so...
Crusty Goldshark: - I go for a short 9 seconds
Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
Caledonia Heron: I get that - it takes the flavour of where you're at
Fael Illyar: choose ... at least partially. :)

  

Caledonia Heron: what about the times when there's nothing though?
Susi Alcott: such moment there's 'all'
Susi Alcott: some ppl call that to be the silence
Caledonia Heron: there's no flavour, no mood, more like a big open, a big bigness
Crusty Goldshark: oh
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Crusty Goldshark: like a feeling of expansion
Susi Alcott: that's silence
Caledonia Heron: I want to give it a where, but there's no where there ... :)
Susi Alcott: true
Faenik: indeed?
Susi Alcott: 'all' dont have any edges
Susi Alcott: no specific location either

  

Crusty Goldshark: I think I might try and break my record and go for 36 seconds of big bigness
Crusty Goldshark: BRB
Caledonia Heron: :)
Faenik: ah :)
Crusty Goldshark: Done
Crusty Goldshark: Soon I will be hitting the minute mark . . . no stopping me . . .
Fael Illyar: doesn't measuring the length disturb doing it?
Crusty Goldshark: Probably but I don't think of that
Corvuscorva Nightfire: did you give up on doing it with attitude?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I kinda liked that idea.
Crusty Goldshark: So it is not disturbing
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Crusty Goldshark: attitude - yes good plan - Ok gonna go for 9 seconds with humour followed by 9 seconds of metta - that should keep me occupied for 18 secs
Caledonia Heron: it doesn't turn on and off like that for me ... a random grasshopper :)
Caledonia Heron: oh well

  

Crusty Goldshark: another successful 18 secs of meditation with attitude :)
Fael Illyar: It's easy when you can decide it's successful no matter what happens :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Corvuscorva Nightfire: so that's the secret...
Crusty Goldshark: Yes - indeed - I could try 9 seconds of success perhaps?
Susi Alcott: I'de say; to all
Caledonia Heron: hmmm, had not considered success perspective, more the reflection of the nowness
Fael Illyar: yes, not the secret of just meditation
Caledonia Heron: there aren't any secrets I don't think, there are no burning bushes :)
Crusty Goldshark: Well successis a quality so will try a bit of method acting mediation and be succesful for 9 secs
Susi Alcott: no secrets; only sacreds
Faenik: no burning bushes? a shame...
Faenik loves wells!
Caledonia Heron: lol, good one Susi :)

  

Crusty Goldshark: success!
Susi Alcott: what would be success ?
Crusty Goldshark: Well I don't think it would be anything - rather an acknowledgement that one is succeeding - that is how it felt
Susi Alcott: was curious to hear some example :)*
Fael Illyar would think success is a word that's rather vague but loaded with association with feeling good.
Susi Alcott: one success sure is to feel succeeding
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Crusty Goldshark: Well for me an example wouldberetaining awareness and non-differentiation between 9 secs and not 9 secs . . . ;)
Susi Alcott: agree 130 % with Fael
Susi Alcott: ty
Susi Alcott: crusty too
Fael Illyar: It's entirely up to us to decide what is success :)
Susi Alcott: yes
Caledonia Heron: yeah, more "all the same" secs tapped into the big bigness, not divided or apart from 9 secs
Corvuscorva Nightfire: mmm..sounds delicious.
Caledonia Heron: huh? say what? words don't quite cut it on this one... having trouble writing it
Caledonia Heron: but delicious comes close :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.

  

Faenik: indeed?
Susi Alcott: sry I got a call
Caledonia Heron: oki, nice to meet you :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Fael Illyar: See you later Susi :)
Susi Alcott: wishing the best to all
Crusty Goldshark: cu
Faenik: why not?
Susi Alcott: cu later
Fael Illyar: I think I'll take an early leave as well ... See you later everyone :)
Faenik loves wells!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye, Fael..
Caledonia Heron: bye Fael :)
Crusty Goldshark: bye fael
Corvuscorva Nightfire: thanks for talking with me today.
Fael Illyar waves.
Fael Illyar: You're welcome :)

  

Caledonia Heron: maybe we have a natural stopping point?
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods..seems as though.
Caledonia Heron: yes, just a few minutes early :)
Crusty Goldshark: ok cu guys
Caledonia Heron: hi Sabrage :)
Sabrage Foxclaw: Howdie
Caledonia Heron: we are just concluding the play as being discussion group
Corvuscorva Nightfire: we're all just leaving..but we meet 1 and 7 , 1 and 7 each day.
Caledonia Heron: you can find info at
http://playasbeing.wik.is
Caledonia Heron: please feel free to lm and return :)
ynot Kytori: thanks for letting me sit in
Caledonia Heron: most welcome ynot :)

  

Sabrage Foxclaw: I'm in quick sand. haha
Caledonia Heron: lol
Corvuscorva Nightfire: happens to all of us sometimes.
Caledonia Heron: bye y'all :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye Cal.
Sabrage Foxclaw: Good to know.
Sabrage Foxclaw: Catch ya later