2008.12.30 07:00 - SL reborn

 Riddle Sideways sat as guardian and is adding these comments.  (will add more when able)

There is much thought provoking between the words of this session.
That is to say that many of the words here have brought up in me (and probably only myselfs) huge concepts, opportunities, thoughts, twists, etc.

I sat alone for some time, before Jeremiah entered.

Riddle Sideways: Good Morning, Master Listener.
Riddle Sideways: Good Morning, Jeremiah
Jeremiah Nacht: Good Morning Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: ah, a quiet morning
Riddle Sideways: have you been here before
Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, a bit of a surprise
Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, I am usually here with different avatars
Jeremiah Nacht: This is more the way I look in RL and it is a bit of a test
Jeremiah Nacht: for me
Riddle Sideways: well, it is good to meet you again and again
Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, and you too Riddle
Riddle Sideways: This is how I look sometimes in RL
Riddle Sideways: except I can't do faces
Riddle Sideways: and my hair loss
Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, faces are difficult to match
Jeremiah Nacht: and it difficult to find correct hair
Jeremiah Nacht: But we do what we can :)

Riddle Sideways: I envy your ability to mold avatars
Riddle Sideways: I have given up
Jeremiah Nacht: Well it mostly is a matter of looking around and a few lindens :)
Jeremiah Nacht: Not so easy for male avatars as with women :)
Riddle Sideways: ah, my being cheap means I have to DIY
Jeremiah Nacht: haha
Jeremiah Nacht: It doesn't matter at all :)
Jeremiah Nacht: Just another distraction
Riddle Sideways: so far I have not spent any L
Jeremiah Nacht: I envy people who can ignore their avatars and not worry about it
Riddle Sideways: ha :)
Jeremiah Nacht: I haven't done much with this one
Jeremiah Nacht: Hello Gaya :)
Riddle Sideways: is this aseperate membership
Riddle Sideways: or just another inventory body

Riddle Sideways: goodmorning, Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello both
Jeremiah Nacht: Ah, I get your meaning. It is separate
Jeremiah Nacht: That creates sme problems
Riddle Sideways: TG, the image of a little inventory menu of different bodies was ...
Riddle Sideways: cloths are one thing, but
Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, the inventories are seaparate and friends are separate
Jeremiah Nacht: If you want to avoid someone, it can be an advantage :)
Riddle Sideways: a closet of exchangable bodies
Jeremiah Nacht: Wow Gaya!
Gaya Ethaniel: mm...?
Jeremiah Nacht: it is more than bodies. They each have their own personality
Gaya Ethaniel: This look Jeremiah? Finally found a 'mature' skin I like.
Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, I switch personallities so often
Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, I am admiring your work :)
Riddle Sideways: that would be hard
Gaya Ethaniel smiles. Thank you.
Jeremiah Nacht: For me it has helped loosen up what is going inside og me
Riddle Sideways: to exit room and zoom back in another person
Jeremiah Nacht: Expoloring aspects of me
Riddle Sideways: yes, Playing
Riddle Sideways: Play a part
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Storm
Riddle Sideways: be a character
Jeremiah Nacht: Hello Storm :)
Storm Nordwind: Hello
Riddle Sideways: Hi Storm
Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, it is role playing to a degree
Riddle Sideways: yet, maybe more
Riddle Sideways: trying on of a different skin
Jeremiah Nacht: Hmm. That is difficult to say
Riddle Sideways: different mind
Riddle Sideways: different corner of a big mind
Jeremiah Nacht: yes, a different aspect
Jeremiah Nacht: part of us
Riddle Sideways: along comes different attitude
Jeremiah Nacht: but not all of us
Jeremiah Nacht: My most know av is my rebel side
Riddle Sideways: If I were better at body building, I would try it
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Jeremiah Nacht: It is a worthwhile experiment
Riddle Sideways: seems very worthwhile
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Riddle Sideways: here you do this experiment the length you want
Jeremiah Nacht: I have found out some things in the past few days that are very omportant
Jeremiah Nacht: important
Riddle Sideways: in RL you have to stay that experiment with that set of people
Riddle Sideways: oh, do tell
Riddle Sideways: can they be put into words
Jeremiah Nacht: yes, it would be almost impossible to do in RL unless one was an actor or actress
Gaya Ethaniel: Very true Riddle
Jeremiah Nacht: I need to be a litle discreet but I can tell a little
Jeremiah Nacht: I have learned why I created the rebel
Jeremiah Nacht: it has been a voice that has been with me a long time
Gaya Ethaniel remembers something about a TV show...
Jeremiah Nacht: and was manifested in an avatar...actually took over an avatar :)
Jeremiah Nacht: and I have learned a little about the conflict within me that I needed to discover
Jeremiah Nacht: and now maybe resolve...or just drop now that I have recongized it
Jeremiah Nacht: is that too vague?
Riddle Sideways: no, but you could tteach us (who have not done the same) more
Storm Nordwind: What you do think would be the outcome if you didn't resolve it?
Jeremiah Nacht: It would be sent down another generation
Jeremiah Nacht: That is what is pressing on me
Storm Nordwind: Because someone uses or has used you as a role model?
Jeremiah Nacht: some of it anyway
Jeremiah Nacht: yes, sometimes we have to recognize that by reason of our position or role that our actions or words can have a great deal of an effect on others
Jeremiah Nacht: a thoughtless word or action can be devastating without nour knowledge
Storm Nordwind suspects that is continuous and widespread with everyone we meet
Jeremiah Nacht: yes, but we can only try to work this out in ourselves, never perfectly...but I think we might be able to do better. I hope so
Storm Nordwind: It sounds like a noble aim Jeremiah
Jeremiah Nacht: Thanks Storm
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Riddle Sideways: sounds like the purpose of "2nd Life"
Riddle Sideways: to get another rebirth
Riddle Sideways: another trip through what you have to work out
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Jeremiah Nacht: well thte name suggests the possibility of doing something we can't do in first life
Storm Nordwind: Ah yes... a rebirth... such has happened twice to me in SL!
Riddle Sideways: skip the early years
Jeremiah Nacht: hah Storm
Jeremiah Nacht: :)
Riddle Sideways: go right to workin on it
Gaya Ethaniel: Twice?
Storm Nordwind: Yes twice. With SL I would not have met my soul-mate. Without SL I would not also have met my work-mates! :)
Jeremiah Nacht: :)
Storm Nordwind: *with->without
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Riddle Sideways thinks "Storm" was not always the calm nice day we know
Storm Nordwind smiles
Jeremiah Nacht: I think having young avatars is suggestive of looking at things anew
Jeremiah Nacht: can open oursleves up
Storm Nordwind: And older avatars?
Jeremiah Nacht: so it is not a bad thing
Jeremiah Nacht: Well we have to work very hard to make our avatars appear older don't we
Storm Nordwind: Yes! I gave up!
Jeremiah Nacht: nothing wrong with it, another experiment
Jeremiah Nacht: Gaya has done quite well :)
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Storm Nordwind smiles and nods
Gaya Ethaniel: Apparently people hear 'different' voices depending on my avatars
Riddle Sideways: yes, it seems
Gaya Ethaniel doesn't do voice by the way
Jeremiah Nacht always thought Gaya was very perceptive about hearing the difference
Gaya Ethaniel: 'hear'*
Riddle Sideways: why would that be
Storm Nordwind: Unless, perhaps, they once hear your RL voice
Jeremiah Nacht: yes Storm
Gaya Ethaniel: Some seem to have certain associations with certain looks perhaps
Jeremiah Nacht: yes Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: or expectations...
Jeremiah Nacht: and I know I act differently
Jeremiah Nacht: part of the role play
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes Jeremiah, it often goes both ways
Storm Nordwind is a very bad actor and his own avatar makes little difference to him
Riddle Sideways: well, much time is spent staring towardthe chat box
Jeremiah Nacht has no way to tell about Storm never having talked to the others avatars
Riddle Sideways: and the thinking of what to say
Riddle Sideways: that I (at least) don't watch which body/av is speaking
Jeremiah Nacht: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Guess that's why you've been happy with your avatar Riddle
Riddle Sideways: perhaps, but now I am not sohappy
Gaya Ethaniel: Why not? I like your avatar
Riddle Sideways: perhaps need to experiment like ya'll
Gaya Ethaniel smiles. Only if you want to
Jeremiah Nacht: As I mentioned earlier I often admire people that are not distracted by their avatars
Riddle Sideways: di not want to, until this discussion
Jeremiah Nacht: It can be another distraction
Jeremiah Nacht: I am someone who takes something fairly simple and makes it very complicated
Riddle Sideways: oh goodie another distraction
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Storm Nordwind: I have half a dozen avatars - and two versions of this one, as most of you know
Riddle Sideways: Storm, I have not seen the monk for a long time
Storm Nordwind: But I guess I feel unconcerned for myself, and I stopped being a monk to ensure that visiting scientists were not put off in the Kira Cafe!
Jeremiah Nacht: :)
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Riddle Sideways: there is that
Jeremiah Nacht: scientists scare easily ?
Storm Nordwind: mention religion and they can look at you in straaannngge ways! ;)
Jeremiah Nacht: yes, a bit like Christianity :)
Riddle Sideways: or any
Storm Nordwind: So I just don't throw it in their face anymore
Gaya Ethaniel: Guess Pema is one of a few exceptions
Riddle Sideways: like when we were young
Riddle Sideways: ha, a rasta scientist
Storm Nordwind giggles
Jeremiah Nacht: :)
Riddle Sideways: why is ones position in ... determined by hair length?
Gaya Ethaniel: mm... what does 'rasta' mean?
Storm Nordwind: People are, it seems to me, more often than not rather set in their ways. My object is not to change them
Jeremiah Nacht thinks some people's reaction to religion is created by the few who go around trying to change other people
Riddle Sideways: Gaya, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari
Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you
Riddle Sideways: yes, you can not change others
Riddle Sideways: only yourself
Jeremiah Nacht: We should be the object rather than the subject
Storm Nordwind: Yes Jeremiah. I was reading today how Douglas Adams made the transition from woolly Christian to radical atheist by hearing an evangelical preaching on a street corner
Jeremiah Nacht: :)
Riddle Sideways: that would do it
Jeremiah Nacht: It always good to hear about another Adams :)
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Riddle Sideways: I missed that point. Douglas Adams is one of my favorite subjects
Riddle Sideways: had you ever heard him speak?
Storm Nordwind: You'll find the reference in "The Salmon of Doubt"
Riddle Sideways: read it long ago
Storm Nordwind: Before people shoot off today, could I request that everyone spends a minute or two in Kira Cafe. I am testing a visitor monitor and would like to see us all in the stats report for tomorrow!
Jeremiah Nacht: OK Storm
Riddle Sideways: ok
Gaya Ethaniel: Of course
Storm Nordwind: Thank you so much!
Riddle Sideways: I heard him speak at a nerd conferrence
Jeremiah Nacht: I need to go so I will go now
Jeremiah Nacht: does that work?
Riddle Sideways: and he kept 4-8 threads going
Storm Nordwind: That will be good
Gaya Ethaniel: Enjoy your day Jeremiah
Storm Nordwind: I will go too
Riddle Sideways: ok, thanks jeremiah
Storm Nordwind: Thank you for the hosting Riddle
Jeremiah Nacht: thanks for the discussion everyone
Jeremiah Nacht: and bye :)
Storm Nordwind: Namaste
Jeremiah Nacht: oh oh someone send a tp for me
Gaya Ethaniel: I will drop by the cafe a little later