2008.12.02 07:00 - Willdo Good and Bad

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    Riddle Sideways was the Guardian on Call and is adding comments.

    I was out kinda late last night. Sleep was interrupted many times.  The beginning of this session was a little blurry.

    Corvi and Adelene are already there and Gaya enters soon after.

    Riddle Sideways: good morning all
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi
    Adelene Dawner: mornin'
    Bell: *ding*
    Adelene moves like one of my cats (only bigger) by just plopping down across somebodies lap.
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Riddle Sideways: how share we have thefountain today?
    Gaya Ethaniel: How share? Sorry don't follow...
    Riddle Sideways: *shall
    Crusty Goldshark: wet please
    Riddle Sideways: hmmmm keyboard, speeling or eye probs this morning
    Gaya Ethaniel looks around for the guardian on call...
    Riddle Sideways syas Riddle isGuardian today :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ^_^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles...I always like the circle little..but I'm warm and happy so....it doesn't matter.
    Gaya Ethaniel likes it as now... low...
    Crusty Goldshark: hi
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: HI, Crusty....
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hi Crusty ^^
    Riddle Sideways: Corvi, glad you can still type with Adel on your arms
    Crusty Goldshark: hi fountain
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Crusty
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins...practice.
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Riddle Sideways: well, it is after thanksgiving
    Crusty Goldshark: thank god
    Riddle Sideways: time for Crusty to wear xmas hat
    Crusty Goldshark: Willdo ;)

    I mis-read Crusty's "Willdo" has "Waldo".
    Well, Crusty was wearing a red and white hat like Waldo's.
    Particularly bad mistake because I am the one with the bad space bar onmy keyboard (gotta change this keyboard).

    Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
    Riddle Sideways: ah, I always forget about Waldo
    Gaya Ethaniel: Waldo?
    Riddle Sideways: from "Where's Waldo" books
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: haha

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Willdo
    Crusty Goldshark: Ah yes - never read them
    Riddle Sideways: oops, Will Do

    It only takes one capitol letter to send US off into politics.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Thought... he was called something else... W... something
    Crusty Goldshark: Are they kids books for US?
    Riddle Sideways: no W is our Pres
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah... I know him as Wally ^^
    Crusty Goldshark: OH I see the pre-Obama disaster
    Crusty Goldshark: they wrote books about him . . . don't read horror . . .
    Riddle Sideways: he should wear one ofthose hats outside walmart ringing abell
    Crusty Goldshark: Whyshould he be considered fit for any employment?
    Riddle Sideways: true
    Crusty Goldshark: OK back to fluffy bunnies
    Riddle Sideways: yes, love the appearance of fluffy bunnies

    We do not move on to another subject, but nice try Crusty.
    I wish to point out that:
    Fluffy bunnies can make an appearance and Appearance can make fluffy bunnies, but ...
    Appearance is not always a fluffy bunny.
    [the remainder of this analogy is left as an exercise for the reader].

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think if we can just take better care of him he won't need to work.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I keep finding people that I think...this person would be an assett anywhere they go.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and W seems quite the opposite.
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm... confused who is 'W'?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: or maybe I could just use the same line and mispell assett differently.
    Adelene Dawner laughs!
    Riddle Sideways: lol
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: W, the president of the united states.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bush?
    Bell: *ding*
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: george w bush.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: as opposed to George Bush Senior.
    Crusty Goldshark: A kind of weed
    Gaya Ethaniel frowns... Waldo... Walldo... Wally... Obama... Bush... too difficult to follow ^^
    Riddle Sideways: yes, it is
    Riddle Sideways: all from a little "willdo"
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs...sorry.
    Riddle Sideways: we play so well together
    Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
    Crusty Goldshark: :)

    Finally we get going. Thank you Gaya.

    Gaya Ethaniel: I... wanted to listen to what others think of 'good' & 'bad'
    Crusty Goldshark: That's good ;)

    Well, we still do not get off politics. Thank you Gaya.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Why Bush is considered so 'bad'?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think of him as destructive to safety.
    Riddle Sideways: ineffectual
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: as well as cruel.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and powerful.
    Crusty Goldshark: He is a good cause. Obama got it because he was bad (Bush) So Bush has been good.
    Riddle Sideways: Gaya, we once had a great and wonderfull country
    Riddle Sideways: and the Bushites took it down
    Gaya Ethaniel asks... when is this 'once'?
    Riddle Sideways: 8 years ago
    Crusty Goldshark: LIke all empires US will decline
    Adelene Dawner hmms.
    Riddle Sideways: W is not the intelligence to have done this
    Adelene Dawner: I remember 8 years ago... and, yanno, if I ignore the newspapers and tv... doesn't seem all that much different to me...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think no matter what you think of the USA past or present....Bush has done some awful things.
    Riddle Sideways: but behind him are very selfish people
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Like sanctioning torture.

    The thread starts (slowly) to turn toward generalized bad and good topic.

    Crusty Goldshark: Bad is that which creates the space for good
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: creating a war for oil...killing thousands.
    Crusty Goldshark: Good is that which attracts the bad
    Crusty Goldshark: they are complements
    Riddle Sideways: us was liked by many in the world
    Riddle Sideways: we had a balenced budget
    Riddle Sideways: yes, as long as we give space, credit to one
    Riddle Sideways: the other has a place
    Riddle Sideways: dualism works like that
    Riddle Sideways: can not have good without bad someplace
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: could we not?
    Crusty Goldshark: This is why the right thing is not good or bad - though people may label it as such. Rather we work from integrity and right motive and do what is required.
    Riddle Sideways: please tell me more ways, because I know not

    I meant to shut up and get others to tell me their thoughts. An old arguement.  I continually see that when any dualism is created, one side can not stand without the other.

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: what if we are not feeling the right motive...or don't Have integrity at a given moment?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: What is a wrong motive?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: what is "not integrity?"
    Riddle Sideways: selfishness
    Corvuscorva Nightfire shakes her head..
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: what's selfish?
    Crusty Goldshark: We all know what is the right thing to do. We are human. We are weak but we know what is the right or best that can be done. we know what is integrity even though we often fall short.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: sorry...honestly this is a set of questions I'm really interested in...and dangerously liable to get focused on past all social niceties.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: do we?
    Crusty Goldshark: Being selfish is our human nature. being altruistic is the best we can do. We can at times aspire to be better than we are.
    Riddle Sideways: go ahead
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: altruism? selfishness?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles warmly at Riddle...thanks....
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hey Moon ^^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: why be better than I am?
    Crusty Goldshark: Well most people are motivated by their self. They choose to reside there rather than ataining to an ideal.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Am I not good enough?

    Riddle Sideways: Hi Moon
    Crusty Goldshark: Hello Moon
    Riddle Sideways: here we have Moon
    Gaya Ethaniel makes a notecard of what's been discussed for Moon
    Riddle Sideways: a fine example of good and bad
    Bell: *ding*
    Riddle Sideways: yet moon does or is neither
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think if we can go back *here* that it will be easier for me...
    Riddle Sideways: just cute
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: [7:25] Crusty Goldshark: We all know what is the right thing to do. We are human. We are weak but we know what is the right or best that can be done. we know what is integrity even though we often fall short.
    Crusty Goldshark: If you are good enough, you are good enough. That may be good enough for you or those who have atained to acceptance. Is that good enough for everyone or just indulgence. Spiritual indulgence we might say . . .
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: what is "right" and what is "integrity?"
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: what is "wrong action" and what is "not integrity"
    Gaya Ethaniel hugs Moon ^^
    Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
    Riddle Sideways: Hi vraja
    Moon Fargis: ok ill read quick trhought it thanks gaya
    vraja Rexen: hey
    Corvuscorva Nightfire hugs Moon.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hi vraja ^^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles warmly...a delight to see you, Vraja!
    vraja Rexen: corvi...long time huh?!
    Crusty Goldshark: If you have no integrity, that is fine. If you are dishonest, that is fine. if you do wrong things (whoever might label them as such) that is all fine. Not for everyone though . . .
    vraja Rexen: glad 2 see im on time this time
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and I should say, Crusty...I'm arguing with you cause I think there might be something useful to me in your thoughts.
    Moon Fargis: ahh good and bad
    Moon Fargis: hmm
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods. Yes..stuff on my mind for a while.
    Moon Fargis points to the society wich defines this
    Gaya Ethaniel ponders... good, bad, right, integrity, selfish, altruistic...
    Crusty Goldshark: Not moraliity. Not behaviour. Bad done with awreness AND integrity can have good karmic results. it depends on ones motivation and understanding.
    Adelene Dawner nods at Crusty.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Oh! tell me more?
    Crusty Goldshark: It is OK to eat animal flesh. It is OK to be promiscuous. It is OK to be true to ones foibles. If the intention is to hurt others is this good? I would say the greatest good is helping self and others and being an asset.
    Adelene Dawner: Core is this: good/bad/selfish/altruistic/etc are illusions - pattern-bits that we've decided to name, that don't have any independent existance outside of our perceptions of them. They're societally-useful memes, but if you look closely, they're just soap bubbles in the wind.
    Riddle Sideways: the only trouble comes when we judge. When we stand in judgement of others
    Crusty Goldshark: Too manyof us have set ideas and try to impose them on others. people should be free to harm themselves. Free to be bad. perhaps we can just offer choices and opportunities. Not rules. not judgements - just possibilities . . .
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Vraja and I Im'd and we'd like to add this....
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh, yes...just very curious and this is a sticky point for me...why does Being allow evil?
    personally angry at Being for this...
    bit....vehement in talking about it.
    around everywhere
    learn to deal with it...accept it...
    Adelene Dawner: Who decides what is evil?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Me...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    vraja Rexen: if it harms you
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: but...how could "bombing people so I can have more money " not be evil?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: or "raping your daughter"
    Riddle Sideways: you being g-d are allowed to stand in judgement of others
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: or "torture"
    Adelene Dawner: Yes,
    Adelene Dawner: Yes, Riddle - allowed, very much so. But does it work to do so? Is it useful?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: These acts are surely evil?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Am I making that up?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Do I have to accept that?
    Crusty Goldshark: You do not have to indulge evil if you are tethered or outraged by it. Find the good. Focus there. Later things may cahnge to encompass more . . .
    vraja Rexen: i dont know if it will help you a lot if you fight against it
    Adelene Dawner purrs at Corvi. "Reality is. You can label it whatever you want. It will contiue to be what it is, regardless... unless you change it... so, are those labels useful in changing it?"
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Thank you all for arguing this with me...my prickliness is anger at Being..not at the present company.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire looks again at Adelene....
    vraja Rexen: bad feelings in your life atract other bad feelings
    Riddle Sideways: our purpose is to make you welcome here by argueing with you
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles warmly at Riddle again.
    Adelene Dawner grins at Riddle.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: yes...thank you.
    Crusty Goldshark: It won't. You can not fight evil, just as you can not fight good. Both are conflict strategies. You have to change your center to do the best you can in terms of actions and thoughts - as best you understand this and forgive a little . .
    Riddle Sideways: pent up emothions bring out the best conversations
    vraja Rexen: and the more you think about evil things the more you will see them and the more they will be around you
    vraja Rexen: try to be positive and good things will come
    Crusty Goldshark: Vajra is right. The attention creates the reality.
    Adelene Dawner rumbles at Vraja and mutters "Magial thinking..."
    Riddle Sideways: everything the represents dualism nature is presented on balence beams
    Adelene Dawner: *Magical
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: so if I ignore it...it will go away?
    vraja Rexen: its the law of atraction
    Riddle Sideways: push on one sideand the other swings
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I am confused by that.
    Moon Fargis: ignorace will make it louder
    Adelene Dawner finds words.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it SEEMS like it means ignore it and it will go away.
    Moon Fargis: acceptance will qquieten it
    Corvuscorva Nightfire looks at Moons words..
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: acceptance...of cruelty?
    vraja Rexen: you should ignore it...you should just try your best to make it better if you can
    Riddle Sideways: find yet another 3rd alternative
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I am still confused.
    vraja Rexen: or accept you cant...
    Riddle Sideways: there is a center point to a balance beam
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Moon will you expand?
    Bell: *ding*
    Riddle Sideways: you can push/pull on the center and both more
    Moon Fargis: corvi: surwe when i keep up eating so much candys!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: what does it mean? I know there is a way to do that without allowing cruelty more space.
    Adelene Dawner: If you define things as evil, you will see evil in those things... which leads to fear... which leads to defining more things as evil, which leads to seeing more evil. But, the definitions, the appearance of evil, is in the definition, not in the reality.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire giggles at Moon.
    vraja Rexen: if its out of your reach...and you cant do anything to change it..its not worth getting frustrated
    Gaya Ethaniel scrolls back and reads again... and ponders 'forgiveness'....
    Corvuscorva Nightfire kisses Gaya's cheek for bringing up this question.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and hopes she didn't steal it's meaning from her.
    Moon Fargis: corvi: this is a , for me, allways true sentence wich you can use becasue that happens, When you ignore something, it will get louder, like bad feelings, or pain, sadness aso
    Gaya Ethaniel: ^^ *hugs* Corvi
    Crusty Goldshark: Forgiveness start with yourself. I forgive my confusion. I forgive my focuson candies, my focus onEvil. I let them go. Where am I? In the center. What is that? It is not good or bad it is just awareness . . .
    Adelene Dawner: Corvi - remember what I said about my emotional center? It leaves me alone because it knows it doesn't need to bother me to get things done? That's not the only thing that works that way.
    Moon Fargis listens up, candys ?
    Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
    Riddle Sideways bows to crusty
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins at Crusty after reading the sentence several times.
    Crusty Goldshark: Now it is FUN.
    Moon Fargis: ho ho ho
    Crusty Goldshark: We do have choices. We fail but more often we can return to the center and observe or be awre. The good the bad and the canys just float by . . .
    Gaya Ethaniel: I find it hard to accept that 'evils' can be done through me as well as 'good.'
    Riddle Sideways remembers that the only thing I can change is my attuitude toward it
    vraja Rexen: corvi let me give you another exemple...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods gratefully to Vraja.
    vraja Rexen: we all feel frustrated about one thing or another
    vraja Rexen: in romania no body cares about the enviroment
    Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles at the purring Moon and Ade.
    vraja Rexen: everybody just throws plastic or shit on the floor
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    vraja Rexen: and i sometimes see it and it really hurts me because those people do not understand that were killing each other with things like that
    Moon Fargis: ignorance, yes
    vraja Rexen: i could go and scream and make a big fuss about it in front of this people
    vraja Rexen: but it wont help me
    vraja Rexen: so instead i just somethimes go ...
    vraja Rexen: and pick those things up
    vraja Rexen: and put them in the bin myself
    vraja Rexen: so i have the chance to change something
    Riddle Sideways: yes, that isa fine example
    vraja Rexen: but they are thousants of people that do this
    Moon Fargis: sure good thing
    Moon Fargis: but
    vraja Rexen: and i cant clean for each one of them
    Moon Fargis: dont you think the people are so ignorant becasue they KNOW that someone alse will remove it anyway?
    Riddle Sideways: is best that you do your part
    vraja Rexen: no
    Moon Fargis: i wonder what will happen when really noone cleans it
    Crusty Goldshark: Be a fool. let people exploit you. Can you :)
    Moon Fargis: ohh brb got a call
    vraja Rexen: they are just ignorant
    Gaya Ethaniel shivers a little without Moon on her laps
    vraja Rexen: you can do what is in your power to change things
    vraja Rexen: but also accept that you have a limited power
    Riddle Sideways: what is in your power is to change your attitude toward any situation
    vraja Rexen: you are just one person against many
    Riddle Sideways: if frustration gets you moving/doing then employ that frustration
    vraja Rexen: its very important to be in peace within yourself
    vraja Rexen: and to know you did the best you could
    Riddle Sideways: if peace within comes from being the cleaner of my sidewalk then I do it daily
    Riddle Sideways: shall I not clean my sidewalk because I can not clean all sidewalks
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Pax
    Pax Plutonian: Hello. Meditating?
    Riddle Sideways: there is an info ball to your irght
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles at them all...I know you have the answers I need....I just can't figure out how to hear them, yet.
    Riddle Sideways: that explains more about us
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Fael! Welcome back, Moon!
    Fael Illyar: Hello Everyone :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hey Fael ^^
    Crusty Goldshark: Hooray
    Riddle Sideways: that corvi is a rightous task
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb Moon ^^
    Moon Fargis: ohh slow loading today here
    Moon Fargis: rehi
    vraja Rexen: it doesnot matter how many answears we give you now corvi
    Bell: *ding*
    vraja Rexen: you must find the right answears in yourself
    Riddle Sideways: thank you, that is always true
    Crusty Goldshark: Be kind to yourself as if you are another person. in this way you will learn to forgive 'bad' people.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods, smiles.
    Gaya Ethaniel wonders about 'forgiveness'... again
    Riddle Sideways: hi clok
    Moon Fargis: sooo what did i missed
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ook...forgiveness.
    Fael Illyar: forgiveness alert?
    Moon Fargis: ahh
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Moon Fargis: hehe
    vraja Rexen: hihi


    Riddle Sideways: ooooo moon
    Moon Fargis: didnt done something :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
    Adelene Dawner covers her ears with her paws >.<
    Moon Fargis: haha
    Riddle Sideways: I thought the siren did not come here
    Fael Illyar: someone clicked it a few times too many :P
    Moon Fargis: thats the intresting thing yes, people tend to switch things on and of
    Moon Fargis: so they click again
    Faenik: ah :)
    Moon Fargis: wich makes it worse
    Adelene Dawner has commented on that!
    Moon Fargis: *giggles*
    Corvuscorva Nightfire rolls her eyes...like evil, perhaps?
    Moon Fargis: see definition of good and bad
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Riddle Sideways: please keep chatting, I will record, but need to do some RL stuffnow
    vraja Rexen: hi szarlej
    Moon Fargis: good when oone knows but maybe bad to your eyes when they use :)
    vraja Rexen: bye szarlej
    Gaya Ethaniel: So... how does one truly forgive oneself or others?
    Moon Fargis: true forgiveness?
    vraja Rexen: its pretty complicated
    vraja Rexen: how about forgive but not forget?
    Adelene Dawner listens, never having really understood the concepts of forgiveness or not-forgiveness yet.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
    Fael Illyar: what is the opposite of forgiveness?
    vraja Rexen: revenge
    Moon Fargis: well true forgiveness would be reached when the one who forgive just dont accept(!) what the other one did, but also see why he did and what driven it to things
    vraja Rexen: :-)
    Fael Illyar: it seems to me that forgiveness is not doing while revenge is doing.
    Moon Fargis: forgiveness needs understanding
    Moon Fargis: like if we can ever forgive szar for pressing it?
    Moon Fargis: sure we can
    vraja Rexen: is he doing this?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire turns off the sound and forgives the alarming one.
    Moon Fargis: becasue he didnt know so far:)
    vraja Rexen: haaah
    vraja Rexen: very good corvi
    Fael Illyar: what is the reason to not forgive?
    Moon Fargis: emotions
    vraja Rexen: bad ones
    Moon Fargis: likeley everythng what prevents you not to be aware and understand
    Adelene Dawner can growl at Szar without biting him, though... where does that play in?
    Fael Illyar: we don't seek revenge on the clouds just because rain caused a disaster, do we?
    Fael Illyar: Adele, that's a warning to not do it again :)
    Adelene Dawner: so, not not-forgiveness then. Ok. ^.^
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Moon Fargis: hmm i dont clean up the blood again when you eat newbies again adelene!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs at Moon.
    vraja Rexen: revenge doesnt help you a lot in time even though at the begining it might seem so
    Adelene Dawner laughs at Moon. "That was just once, and he had it coming!"
    Fael Illyar: Adele, well, it kind of says that something unpleasant will follow if the warning is not heeded :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: which can be helpful indeed!
    Crusty Goldshark: bye
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar waves Crusty goodbye.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye, Crusty?
    Moon Fargis: ofcourse less newbies less people pressing the pab sign :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: urk...darn...

    PaB Listener Master: Removing "Crusty Goldshark" from list.
    Adelene Dawner: I think there can be other labels for les-than-friendly responses besides 'revenge', though...
    Fael Illyar: yes, revenge sounds a bit extreme
    Fael Illyar: but the other levels tend to include a punishment of sorts, followed by forgiveness.
    vraja Rexen: this is about getting even
    Adelene Dawner: if you include 'practical lesson on the results of being a pain in the ass' in 'punishment'... yeah.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire stifles a giggle.
    vraja Rexen: this does helps sometimes if the other person understands
    vraja Rexen: and im talking about small things now
    Faenik announces that he'll babble anything he hears anyone saying on channel 33.
    Adelene Dawner nods at Vraja. "Yup. And if I don't expect the person to learn from the nip on the butt, I don't give the nip, I just remove myself from the presence of the irritation... or remove the irritation from my presence, as the case may be."
    Bell: *ding*
    vraja Rexen: :-)
    Faenik: ah :)
    vraja Rexen: i guess its fare
    Gaya Ethaniel nods at Adele...
    Adelene Dawner: I keep hearing that that's the same as 'revenge' though... I don't think it is, but I hear that.
    Adelene Dawner: And hearing that trying to work with someone to get them to stop being a pain in the ass is incompatable with forgiveness.
    Fael Illyar: so, not forgiving is kind of extreme. Kind of condemning to hell so to speak. Unending punishment.
    Faenik loves wells!
    Faenik: thinks that revenge is the way people try to deal with emotion they arent able to handle becasue they where pushed into them by others action, others karma
    Adelene Dawner: o.O
    Fael Illyar: Like he announced, anyone talking on channel 33, he repeats it :)
    Moon Fargis: *giggles*
    Adelene Dawner: I know - responding to the message, not the delivery.
    vraja Rexen: sorry guys but i must leave
    Moon Fargis: aww ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Adelene Dawner: cya, Vraja
    Fael Illyar: see you later Vraja :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye, Vraja!
    vraja Rexen: courvi try to be more positive
    Faenik: ah :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles..I"ll try.
    PaB Listener Master: Removing "vraja Rexen" from list.
    Moon Fargis: ahhh i think i need a warm tea :)
    Moon Fargis: (in rl)
    Adelene Dawner: Enjoy, Moon. ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ok...you all have been very patient....
    Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: thank you.
    Moon Fargis is happy he got his tea euipent right left of the monitor
    Gaya Ethaniel goes to kitchen for mungbean ricecakes
    Moon Fargis: ^_^ *Nahm Nahm Nahm!* ^_^
    Moon Fargis pokes gaya to bring some with you
    Faenik: indeed?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles...It's time for me to go now...
    Moon Fargis: aww
    Moon Fargis: work ?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: no...not today.
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Moon Fargis: great
    Moon Fargis: so a happy day
    Gaya Ethaniel: Enjoy your day Corvi.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I've decided I need to rest and consider good and evil for a while.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
    Gaya Ethaniel cuts the ricecake and feed a small bite to Moon
    Moon Fargis: ^_^ *Nahm Nahm Nahm!* ^_^
    Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
    Moon Fargis: thank you!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Pleasure ^^

    PaB Listener Master: Removing "Adelene Dawner" from list.
    PaB Listener Master: Removing "Corvuscorva Nightfire" from list.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Time to go here too ^^
    Moon Fargis: awwh
    Fael Illyar: Oh, empty already
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye sleeping Riddle, Fael and Moon. Enjoy your day ^^
    PaB Listener Master: Removing "Gaya Ethaniel" from list.
    Moon Fargis: hhmhmm then i also better move for a while to test something out, be back later ^^/
    Fael Illyar: Sure, see you later Moon :)
    Fael Illyar: See you Riddle :)

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