2008.12.11 07:00 - BYOC

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    BYOC - Bring Your Own Context ... we each have very different interpretations of the same things, the example in this case being a cartoon Fael follows ... all valid, and different.  - CH


    Fael Illyar: Hi Cal :)
    Caledonia Heron: hey there Fael :)
    Fael Illyar: How are you today?
    Caledonia Heron: oops :) missed the seat
    Caledonia Heron: I'm good ... you?
    Fael Illyar: I'm good too :)
    Caledonia Heron: getting situated
    Fael Illyar: something about happen?
    Caledonia Heron: nah, clicking away notices, saving im's
    Fael Illyar: Ah :)
    Caledonia Heron: just login stuff



    Fael Illyar: Those tend to take a while if you don't login for a couple of days :)
    Caledonia Heron: wasn't too long ago but they stack up
    Fael Illyar: they truely do.
    Fael Illyar: especially with some groups that are particularly trigger happy with notices :)
    Caledonia Heron: yep, some are pretty chatty
    Caledonia Heron: curious, do you celebrate xmas in your location?
    Fael Illyar: Yes, we do :)
    Fael Illyar: 24th tends to be the celebration
    Caledonia Heron: us too ... a little behind the curve this year :) (ack!!)
    Fael Illyar: Well, it's hard work to get presents for people :)
    Caledonia Heron: yes, trying to get the whole mail-away set done by Friday
    Caledonia Heron: then there's local and of course my sweetie pie :)
    Fael Illyar: Of course :)



    Fael Illyar: I guess you read the latest xkcd?
    Caledonia Heron: lol, I could just give a nicely wrapped box and say it's full of being :)
    Fael Illyar grins.
    Caledonia Heron: xkcd?
    Fael Illyar: http://www.xkcd.com/
    Caledonia Heron: sec
    Fael Illyar: usually not that bloody though.
    Fael Illyar: sometimes not quite sure what to think about those.
    Caledonia Heron: loading...
    Fael Illyar: http://www.xkcd.com/505/ like this one
    Fael Illyar: this 505 one is rather interesting :)
    Caledonia Heron: ewww
    Fael Illyar: I think I pasted that before too.
    Caledonia Heron: 505 is funny
    Fael Illyar: from what I can tell, it seems this person takes an idea and then draws a comic about what would be necessary to hold to the idea.
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, sounds right ... have not read this before ... funny little stick figures
    Fael Illyar: kind of critique of the mind
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, checking the logic flow :)
    Fael Illyar: sometimes brilliant, sometimes ... well, you saw an example already.
    Caledonia Heron: lol, yeah the top page today is a little gorey :)



    Fael Illyar: oh, the very first one is interesting :)
    Caledonia Heron: I wonder where I'll float next?
    Fael Illyar: yes
    Caledonia Heron: that's a great question ... taken in context of our group :)
    Fael Illyar: in a way, you could say it captures the nature of the mind of a newborn baby
    Caledonia Heron: yes, open, floating, in motion
    Fael Illyar: the style of the first ones is rather starkly different :)
    Caledonia Heron: for one, the people have features
    Fael Illyar: Yes
    Fael Illyar: http://www.xkcd.com/11/ ... now what to make of this one
    Caledonia Heron: lol, awwww
    Fael Illyar: he's learning to be unhappy about not finding things that don't seem to exist in his world.
    Caledonia Heron: that's a good one ... that's interesting ... I got that whether you want to admit it or not, we're ultimately flying solo



    Fael Illyar: now an interesting question ... where'd he get an idea of a mommy in his world
    Caledonia Heron: [for the reader ... the caption is "none of the places I floated had mommies]
    Caledonia Heron: an underlying assumption ... that everyone can buy into unspoken since we all have moms :)
    Fael Illyar: true
    Fael Illyar: http://www.xkcd.com/13/
    Caledonia Heron: !!! I was just reading that!
    Caledonia Heron: most excellent
    Fael Illyar: Yes :)
    Caledonia Heron: "now" is the least boring time
    Fael Illyar: yep :)
    Fael Illyar: better be, no other time exists ;)
    Caledonia Heron: that reminds me of when I hear a kid say they're bored
    Caledonia Heron: I tell them.... boredom is an elevated space, it means you're open to something new :)



    Fael Illyar: Hi Crusty :)
    Caledonia Heron: that usually pushes things in a new direction :)
    Crusty Goldshark: hi fael
    Fael Illyar: Yes, but boredom itself (at least what I'm used to calling that) tends to be simply wanting to avoid certain thoughts.
    Caledonia Heron: not that they like it or anything but it does change the dynamic to newness not buying into "boring"
    Caledonia Heron: hey Crusty :)
    Caledonia Heron: interesting ... boredom usually represents someone on idle, they don't know what to do with themselves, can't get interested
    Fael Illyar: ah, yes, you could call that boredom too.
    Fael Illyar: belief that there's nothing going on that'd be interesting
    Caledonia Heron: I'm so time sliced I would welcome a little idle time, a little boredome :)
    Crusty Goldshark: there is a belief that people bored with life are reaching the end of their incarnations
    Caledonia Heron: my nana is 99 - I think that applies to her
    Crusty Goldshark: can't say I agree
    Crusty Goldshark: :)
    Caledonia Heron: she says ... "I'm just waiting for god" ... I tell her "Nana, I think god is waiting for you"



    Crusty Goldshark: No that is different - I think the Buddhists refer to it as 'world weariness'
    Fael Illyar: Yes, she's chosen to believe there's nothing more left for her here.
    Caledonia Heron: well you can plug it into the buddhist framework or the little old lady framework.... they both have weary :)
    Crusty Goldshark: :)
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Caledonia Heron: maybe she"s a buddhist little old lady



    Fael Illyar: http://www.xkcd.com/17/
    Crusty Goldshark: :)
    Caledonia Heron: doubt and not trusting self can crush a love [readers: xkcd 17 cartoon is questioning commitment to a love]
    Caledonia Heron: I think that those kinds of doubts as compared to full commitment are potentially the source of relationship failures
    Caledonia Heron: I like the way it appears like a cell
    Fael Illyar: Yes, those doubts are at the core of it.



    Caledonia Heron: how are you today Crusty?
    Caledonia Heron: sorry, no proper greeting, we were mid-stream :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Wondering when the next orgy is?
    Crusty Goldshark: No worries
    Fael Illyar: next ... orgy?
    Caledonia Heron: lol, (wondering where Crusty goes in SL when he's not here ) 
    Fael Illyar smiles.



    Crusty Goldshark: Yes all this talk of relationships is too serious - I went to Love beach I think it was . . . first thing I was offered was a free penis . . .
    Caledonia Heron: sounds useful at Love Beach :)
    Fael Illyar: perhaps it is, yes.
    Crusty Goldshark: . . . wandered around a bit but found it boring returned to Buddhist haunts :)
    Crusty Goldshark: :)
    Crusty Goldshark: I am very new to SL so thought I would go to a mall, sex center etc - malls I found rather uninspiring too . . . Crusty Goldshark: Where do you guys go?
    Caledonia Heron: yeah it is serious but also not ... I think the equation reduces to compassion and empathy .... maybe Love Beach is the sloppy virtual carnal incarnation (lots of car there) of that premise
    Caledonia Heron: to science places, events, shopping :)
    Fael Illyar: Initially I wondered about the place a bit myself but lately, mostly to shops suggested by friends or when I'm looking for something in particular.
    Crusty Goldshark: interesting which events and science places?
    Caledonia Heron: plus building stuff, figuring out how to create stuff .... great satisfaction in that
    Crusty Goldshark: Can you buy real rather than virtual stuff?
    Fael Illyar: I've seen a couple of shops selling real things through SL but not too many.
    Caledonia Heron: you search for groups that match your interests, join them, get notices, go to their events, visit their sims
    Crusty Goldshark: I am gonna get me a penis :)
    Caledonia Heron: hell, get two
    Fael Illyar: as you wish :)
    Crusty Goldshark: LOL
    Caledonia Heron: casual and formal :)
    Crusty Goldshark: :)
    Fael Illyar falls down laughing.
    Caledonia Heron: lol, silly huh?



    Crusty Goldshark: I found a great giant lotus this morning - that was great
    Caledonia Heron: cool
    Fael Illyar: where was that?
    Caledonia Heron: some of the builds are stunningly beautiful
    Fael Illyar: Yes, there's a lot of talent around in SL :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Oh gosh I think it was Moons hangout - hidden away in a forest
    Fael Illyar: Hikari?
    Crusty Goldshark: Moons - the Zen teddy bear
    Caledonia Heron: when I first came to SL I travelled and travelled ..... a sort of "8 wonders of the world" thing ... of course there were more than that :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Hikari - that is it
    Caledonia Heron: oh, Moon's place is over by me :)
    Caledonia Heron: oh, different place then



    Crusty Goldshark: I want to build a Yinyana temple - do I have to buy land or is there anywhere that likes temples?
    Caledonia Heron: you can rent or buy
    Crusty Goldshark: I might offer a selection of lingams . . .
    Caledonia Heron: and guardians are given small plots for retreats
    Fael Illyar: or if you're lucky, find someone who wants to give you place to build for free.
    Caledonia Heron: yes, true Fael :)
    Caledonia Heron: are you a guardian Crusty? (sorry, list is long, can't remember)
    Crusty Goldshark: Selection of Yonis for the gals and the multi-cultural
    Fael Illyar: He is
    Caledonia Heron: maybe get a plot to start practicing on for when you know how to build
    Crusty Goldshark: I am? how come - news to me
    Fael Illyar: one of the very recent ones :)
    Caledonia Heron: there is also a pab sandbox
    Fael Illyar: You weren't?
    Fael Illyar: oh, sorry, remembered wrong
    Caledonia Heron: if not, perhaps you would like to become one :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Yes I would like to guard the Mind - make sure no one leaves with one . . .
    Caledonia Heron: lol, certainly can't be mindless ... or maybe a good thing :)
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Crusty Goldshark: :)
    Caledonia Heron: mindfully mindless
    Crusty Goldshark: being mindless - without mind is possible - almost like being intuitive and spontaneous . . .
    Crusty Goldshark: Yes Cal - you got it
    Caledonia Heron: yes, that's me in a pun war :)
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Fael Illyar: Buddha Battle? ... or babble?
    Crusty Goldshark: Dharma combat . . .
    Caledonia Heron: oxymoron :)
    Crusty Goldshark: A well known tradition of debate . . .
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Caledonia Heron: oxymoron is a funny word ... it brings to mind a dumb guy with acne medicine :)
    Crusty Goldshark: It always reminds me of the Zen Ox herding pictures
    Caledonia Heron: a little more high brow :)
    Crusty Goldshark: :)



    Crusty Goldshark: If I find a sandbox and start building can I save the temple building in my inventory or some such?
    Caledonia Heron: yes, that is standard practice ... you're not supposed to leave stuff behind
    Fael Illyar: Yes, anything you've created yourself ... or own you can pick back up
    Caledonia Heron: ask Storm for access to the pab sandbox ... it's a good one ... not sure, you might have to volunteer to be a guardian for access
    Crusty Goldshark: OK will do
    Fael Illyar: Yes, but if you become guardian, you can have a small plot that's likely enough for a small temple :)
    Crusty Goldshark: I am off to build a shrine (to start with)
    Fael Illyar: alternatively, it might be possible to get a larger plot if people in PaB think you're doing good work at it :)
    Crusty Goldshark: I will dedicate it to Cecil (an Open Source Deity)



    Fael Illyar: wb Cal :)
    Caledonia Heron: omg - crashed with no warning
    Caledonia Heron: totally lost the log
    Crusty Goldshark: CU guys
    Fael Illyar: you don't log to file?
    Caledonia Heron: bye Crusty
    Caledonia Heron: no
    Fael Illyar: See you later Crusty :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Bye Cal - Bye Fael
    Caledonia Heron: too much
    Caledonia Heron: can you give me the log please Fael?
    Caledonia Heron: you could email it
    Fael Illyar: ok, just a moment, would you mind typing in your email so I can find it faster?
    Caledonia Heron: yes, will im, ty

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