2008.12.13 01:00 - Stoning (your own)

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fael Illyar. The comments are Fael's.

    Today I arrived a bit late, although, it seems just in time for conversation.

    Pema Pera: Hi Vax
    Pema Pera: Feel free to join me here, if you like
    Vax Ansar: Hello Pema
    Pema Pera: We gather here four times a day
    Pema Pera: right now it is rather quiet, but perhaps a few more people will come
    Pema Pera: we like to talk about the nature of reality, but in a light way :)
    Pema Pera: we have a blog http://playasbeing.wik.is
    Vax Ansar: That's good I'm not really that much of an intellectual about.
    Pema Pera: so if you like, you can read there what we're concerned about.

    This is where I arrived.

    Pema Pera: Hi Fael!
    Fael Illyar: Hi Pema, Vax :)
    Pema Pera: We also like to include our conversations on that blog, is that okay with you?
    Fael Illyar: Sorry I'm a bit late.
    Vax Ansar: Yes.
    Pema Pera: np :)
    Pema Pera: Vax just arrived here a minute ago
    Pema Pera: Thanks, Vax!
    Fael Illyar: Ah, so I sort of "awakened" from RL conversation just in time :)
    Vax Ansar: Your welcome. The Pleasure is mine.
    Pema Pera: haha, good timing
    Pema Pera: we get together here every day at 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm, Vax
    Pema Pera: quite a busy schedule, so we divide it over a few dozen people
    Crusty Goldshark: hi guys
    Pema Pera: greeters, or time slot guardians
    Pema Pera: Hi Crusty!
    Faenik: could be
    Crusty Goldshark: Am I time for the stoning?

    I wonder who Crusty was coming to stone. Hopefully not me for being the guardian and being late.

    Pema Pera: ?
    Crusty Goldshark: The heretics!
    Crusty Goldshark: oops - wrong place
    Crusty Goldshark: :)
    Crusty Goldshark: So how are my favourite meditators?
    Pema Pera: quiet, right now, if you are talking to us, that is :)
    Crusty Goldshark: :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Was it something I said - must not stone heretics!
    Crusty Goldshark: Been trying to build a stupa
    Fael Illyar: How is it going?
    Crusty Goldshark: I have the four elements
    Crusty Goldshark: or five if you include ether
    Crusty Goldshark: that is about it . . . but with my mighty cape and silly hat I feel quite
    Crusty Goldshark: . . . the daga
    Crusty Goldshark: wizard
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Fael Illyar: Well, kind of :)
    Fael Illyar: a bit comical one though ;)
    Fael Illyar: Although, in SL we're all kind of wizards :)
    Fael Illyar: most just don't use the ability ;)

    Interesting how we can do pretty much whatever we want in SL and ... people mostly seem to stick to doing things they could do in RL as well.

    Crusty Goldshark: Yes comedy wizard - that is a good starting point for creating stupas in SL
    Faenik: could be
    Fael Illyar smiles 'Yes, quite so.'
    Pema Pera: Have you tried the 9-sec exploration, Crusty?
    Crusty Goldshark: Yes - Iam advancing quite considerably and did 4 * 9 secs
    Crusty Goldshark: I may go for a full minute soon . . .
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: the point of course is not the duration, but the frequency, of doing it regularly
    Crusty Goldshark: Quite so
    Pema Pera: did you find it fun, or helpful, or . . . ?
    Crusty Goldshark: the longest I have medited for is two years - but I thought I might start over again . . .

    It's sometimes somewhat difficult to tell when Crusty is joking and when not. Hopefully this one is joke as I was guessing.

    Crusty Goldshark: m m m . . . well I found it concentrating . . .
    Crusty Goldshark: Sort of extra awareness
    Crusty Goldshark: How are you getting on
    Crusty Goldshark: ?
    Pema Pera: I find it very useful to stop regularly, to drop the usual identification with the role I am playing
    Pema Pera: and to try to be more open
    Pema Pera: without any particular agenda or method
    Crusty Goldshark: Interesting - the sensation of opening I can concur with
    Crusty Goldshark: and the dropping of roles and agendas
    Crusty Goldshark: However I do tend to find ways to flow into awareness as much as possible - so the 9 secs is one of many tools :)
    Pema Pera: oh sure
    Crusty Goldshark: What other tools do you favour?
    Pema Pera: btw, I was intrigued by the way you talked at the previous session about "I am"
    Pema Pera: knowing "I AM" as you named it
    Crusty Goldshark: ok?
    Pema Pera: Can you say more about that?
    Faenik: could be
    Pema Pera: (as for other tools, there are many, from many traditions)
    Crusty Goldshark: Well the idea of I AM is one of the mantras used in Hinduism and is I feel more of the experience of the theist orientated mystics
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.

    Faenik makes a statement ... although this one is difficult to interpret in this context :)

    Crusty Goldshark: So for example in Islam or Christian mysticism or say Jewish Kabbalh and even Western Ocult schools this idea and experience of BEING is improtant
    Crusty Goldshark: It coressponds to the exact same thing in Buddhism as the experience of 'Not Being'
    Crusty Goldshark: The I AM does not have an object of awreness even in the later stages - it is independent of being other than a sense of awareness
    Pema Pera: interesting point, Crusty, yes, that makes a lot of sense
    Pema Pera: Hi Obama
    Pema Pera: would you like to sit down?

    Obama arrives to the playgoda, dancing. Vanishes soon after.

    Crusty Goldshark: Buddhist often (I have heard a senior monk state this) state they are not mystics - but they may have mystic experiences and even engage in ecstatic dancing
    Crusty Goldshark: as do the dervishes
    Pema Pera: yes, all those terms are not very fitting
    Pema Pera: mysticism, religion . . .
    Crusty Goldshark: However there are other levels of I AM which are based on an object and have little sense of innate reality
    Pema Pera: yes
    Crusty Goldshark: There is a big difference between I AM (ego) and I AM awareness - or I AM NOT
    Faenik: could be
    Pema Pera: yes, definitely -- and I agree, the "highest self" of Hinduism comes close to the "non self" of Buddhism or at least can come close
    Crusty Goldshark: Yes
    Crusty Goldshark: This is why the experiential is more important than any dogma
    Pema Pera: what is your prefered tradition, if I may ask, Crusty?
    Faenik: ah :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Buddhism - as a vehicle of expression
    Pema Pera: what kind of Buddhism?
    Crusty Goldshark: I had adopted Alchemy but found too many people still engaged in gold making
    Crusty Goldshark: The outer expression - is not as important as the inner knowing
    Crusty Goldshark: So I am quite happy to go in a Church or Mosque but prefer the company of Buddhists

    This part I'd say I quite agree with Crusty here. Aurora drops in, apparently bringing Shaman in tow.

    Fael Illyar: Hi Aurora :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Hi
    Pema Pera: HI Aurora!
    Pema Pera: welcome back!
    Pema Pera: Hi Shaman!
    Crusty Goldshark: Yinyana Buddhism - we get to go to stonings . . .
    Crusty Goldshark: (usually our own)
    Shaman Kharg: Greetings
    Crusty Goldshark: Hi Storm
    Aurora Kitaj: Hi Shaman, take a seat
    Pema Pera: Come join us, Shaman
    Crusty Goldshark: Ooops - sorry Hi Shaman
    Fael Illyar: Ah, hi Shaman :)
    Faenik: ah :)
    Pema Pera: Has Aurora told you about the background of our meetings?
    Aurora Kitaj: Hi Crusty
    Aurora Kitaj: Hi Faenik
    Pema Pera: We get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki Http://playasbeing.wik.is/ -- we record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
    Shaman Kharg: yes; a little
    Crusty Goldshark: Hi Aurora
    Aurora Kitaj: Thanks Pema
    Shaman Kharg: no, not at all : )
    Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Pema Pera: thanks, Shaman!
    Crusty Goldshark: What about you Pema - what is your preferred tradition if any and Fael?
    Pema Pera: many, Crusty
    Pema Pera: Buddhism may come closests, but there are many others I explored
    Fael Illyar: not sure if I have a preferred tradition :)
    Pema Pera: the point is to see, by whatever name
    Fael Illyar: I meditate close to the Zen way but other than that ...
    Fael Illyar: I still mostly just read what I come across :)
    Pema Pera: Tibetan Buddhism is something I've explored more than others
    Pema Pera: but also Zen, and Advaita Vedanta, and some forms of Christian mysticism
    Crusty Goldshark: Have you read the philokalia?
    Pema Pera: no
    Crusty Goldshark: It is a record of the teachings of the desert fathers
    Crusty Goldshark: Or the dessert fathers as I rather trifingly and sweetly refer to them . . .
    Shaman Kharg: bedoins?
    Crusty Goldshark: No they are Christian mystics who hang out in the desert looking for Cod - or failing that God
    Shaman Kharg: haha
    Pema Pera: Shaman, each session here we talk about quite different things
    Faenik: indeed?
    Pema Pera: but what we have in common is our exploration, or practice
    Pema Pera: we like to stop for 9 seconds every 15 minutes
    Pema Pera: to drop what we have in order to see better what we are
    Pema Pera: a kind of 1% time tax :)
    Shaman Kharg: many believe WE are god - or rather , he is within us
    Crusty Goldshark: I am developing a hard core practice trying to up the anti to 27 secs . . .
    Pema Pera: Crusty likes to joke, Shaman . . . .
    Pema Pera: in case you hadn't noticed
    Shaman Kharg: as do I ...
    Pema Pera: so what we are trying to do is to trade duration for frequency
    Pema Pera: instead of traditional long session, very many very short explorations
    Crusty Goldshark: I take it God is Infinite - how does he get inside us? I am only finite :(
    Pema Pera: and it seems to "work" for many folks here
    Shaman Kharg: a break for a new look?
    Pema Pera: openings yes
    Shaman Kharg: gotcha : )
    Pema Pera: shooting holes in our usually quite closed views of the world adn of ourselves
    Pema Pera: but the fun thing is, each and everybody here comes from a totally different background
    Shaman Kharg: the best way to prove a theory, is to try to disprove it
    Pema Pera: so it is very interesting to compare the experiences
    Pema Pera: that's a good way, yes
    Pema Pera: how do you try to disprove that "God is within you" :-)
    Shaman Kharg: with free choice
    Pema Pera: can you say more?
    Fael Illyar: how do you know you're finite?
    Crusty Goldshark: Well I have limits
    Shaman Kharg: I can touch my edges, but am I only physical; another question then
    Aurora Kitaj: Oops, hope my voice isn't on cos you will have just some rather assertive noises telling my son to go down stairs for breakfast, it was on.
    Pema Pera: you didn't Aurora
    Pema Pera: but now you are making us curious :)
    Fael Illyar smiles 'I won't hear anything because my voice isn't activated at all.'
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Pema Pera is only hearing the SL birds twittering away here
    Shaman Kharg: no voice here, either
    Pema Pera: well, I gotta go
    Pema Pera: dinner time for me
    Fael Illyar: See you later Pema :)
    Pema Pera: good seeing all of you
    Pema Pera: nice to meet you, Shaman!
    Crusty Goldshark: bye pema
    Shaman Kharg: safe paths, Pema : )
    Pema Pera: bye everybody
    Aurora Kitaj: Thanks Pema,
    Aurora Kitaj: Nice to meet you Crusty
    Aurora Kitaj: Fael, did we meet here once before?
    Crusty Goldshark: Nice to meet you Aurora ;)
    Fael Illyar: Yes, I think I've seen you here once before, Aurora :)
    Crusty Goldshark: OK time for my breakfast - anoter limitation :)
    Crusty Goldshark: CU you guys
    Fael Illyar: See you later Crusty :)
    Shaman Kharg: be well, Crusty : )
    Fael Illyar: Oh well, I'll be leaving as well, see you perhaps later Shaman :)
    Shaman Kharg: nice to meet you - take care, Fael : )

    With this, the meeting ends.

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