2008.12.18 07:00 - A Dream Sparked a Dream

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    Interesting how we influence each other subconsciously - CH


    Caledonia Heron: hey there :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Crusty and Cal :)
    Crusty Goldshark: hi
    Caledonia Heron: how are you guys today?
    Adams Dubrovna: I am good. How about you?
    Crusty Goldshark: good u?
    Caledonia Heron: good!
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Congratulations on one less time slot Cal
    Adams Dubrovna: I'll miss you being here Wednesdays though
    Caledonia Heron: :) yes, I'm in shock :)
    Caledonia Heron: I thought I would give away the Thurs but it worked out to Wed :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Ah
    Caledonia Heron: Pema still has 4 slots ... not sure why he did not give his away first but that is his way :)
    Adams Dubrovna: I think many of us felt you guys needed some break :)
    Adams Dubrovna: It appears we will not get our kyx this session :)
    Caledonia Heron: mmm, appreciate that
    Caledonia Heron: ha ha



    Adams Dubrovna: Hi Corvi :)
    Caledonia Heron: that is becuase we are not on route 66
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi all
    Adams Dubrovna: ah, OK
    Crusty Goldshark: hi
    Caledonia Heron: or because they are for kids
    Crusty Goldshark: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: haha
    Caledonia Heron: hi Corvi :)
    Caledonia Heron: hi SwissNomad :)
    SwissNomad Ghost: Hey Cal
    Crusty Goldshark: Hi Swisnomad
    Adams Dubrovna: Hi SN
    SwissNomad Ghost: Crusty, nice to meet you to :)
    SwissNomad Ghost: You know what: hy to all fine as well? ;)



    Caledonia Heron: we are having the play as being discussion SwissNomad ... have you been before?
    Adams Dubrovna: Born today. Happy Birthday!
    SwissNomad Ghost: nope, never... actually, today is my first time here in 2ndl
    SwissNomad Ghost: thanks adams
    Caledonia Heron: welcome
    SwissNomad Ghost: so how can i sit???
    Caledonia Heron: we are logging all comments, may we include you?
    Adams Dubrovna: right click on a cushion and choose sit
    SwissNomad Ghost: ofcourse, why not?
    Caledonia Heron: I will im you ... everyone, please continue
    SwissNomad Ghost: right click does not really work with mac
    SwissNomad Ghost: but i found out ;)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    SwissNomad Ghost: and you guys are around how long already here?
    Crusty Goldshark: about a week
    Adams Dubrovna: I have been here a year and a month in SL and in PaB since June
    Caledonia Heron: probably 2 Crusty :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Time flies for Crusty
    Crusty Goldshark: probably two weeks
    Caledonia Heron: maybe he has no-time :)



    SwissNomad Ghost: so, what were you guys talking about, i got the feeling i interupted the conversation
    Caledonia Heron: we were just getting started :)
    Crusty Goldshark: they make fun of me because of my interest in time travel tmxxine.com
    SwissNomad Ghost: ah, great... need another "phylosipher"?
    Caledonia Heron: some of us know each other fairly well, some are just now getting to know each other
    SwissNomad Ghost: you think it is possible to timetravel than?
    Caledonia Heron: I am not making fun Crusty ... time is a legitimate discussion issue
    Crusty Goldshark: I do not even know myself - let alone anyone else . . .
    Crusty Goldshark: Not making fun of me - after all the trouble I go to making a fool of myself? Must try harder - more silly hats on order :)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Caledonia Heron: well we can certainly make an effort to make fun of you :) but probably not :)
    Crusty Goldshark: :)



    SwissNomad Ghost: with travel itself there is nothing wrong, but in timetraveling i see some negative sides... messing with past and future... and i don't know if i want to re-life the moment my ex dumped me... on the other hand i would not go in to the future to make sure she didn't. you know what i mean?
    Caledonia Heron: yes I can see that
    Caledonia Heron: the most fetching aspect of time is likely now time :)
    SwissNomad Ghost: agree; live today, accept tomorrow as it will be, changing will be a hard thing to do
    Crusty Goldshark: Well it aint so easy to move backward and forward through time and dimensions - first we have to know where and if they exist
    Crusty Goldshark: not everyone is convinced time exists
    SwissNomad Ghost: depends on your definition of time
    Caledonia Heron: that is one of the things we have talked about repeatedly ... from the perspective of appreciating being some posit that there is no time
    Adams Dubrovna: ...and trying to understand what it means if there is no time



    Caledonia Heron: yes Adams, say for example if there is no time how do we explain all our explanations of what we did, do and will do ?
    Caledonia Heron: or maybe skip the explaining and merely be
    SwissNomad Ghost: time as in what appears on clocks? or... again: how do you see time itself, how do you messure it?
    Adams Dubrovna: There is a part of us that is not affected by time
    Caledonia Heron: time as a storyline
    SwissNomad Ghost: storyline, that exists, if it didn't we would not be here, right?
    SwissNomad Ghost: .. or are we here?
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Caledonia Heron: perhaps not as we understand it at this moment :)
    Adams Dubrovna: to the first statement
    Caledonia Heron: maybe it's a dream :)



    SwissNomad Ghost: it comes to the question i asked myself a lot of times... if you see for example the tree over there; who says it IS a tree??? who made the words?? in my language that thing is called a "boom"... although it is nice to be able to interact thru given words... maybe time is something we feel and is a dream indeed...
    SwissNomad Ghost: what makes that you could live life (or is it life live?) to it's fullest cause you would not have to face any consecuences for your actions... at least; that is a dream in my opinion
    Adams Dubrovna: there are consequences for our actions though as it affects other beings
    SwissNomad Ghost: but does that happen with your dreams as well?
    Caledonia Heron: there are a lot of concepts there ... let me start back a few statements ....
    Caledonia Heron: as regards labeling trees trees or this this, we can agree that for many things we share a vocabulary
    Caledonia Heron: in this discussion group we meet to compare what we have fund about "being" to establish and benchmark a kind of vocabulary



    Adams Dubrovna: and we do have a real body, a physical presence on this earth
    Adams Dubrovna: We can question what it is. It is made up of recycled atoms, etc
    Adams Dubrovna: and there is a part of us affected by the time line, so to speak
    Adams Dubrovna: that is our story
    Adams Dubrovna: there is a part of us that can transcend that story, that is timeless
    SwissNomad Ghost: ok, i see where you come from...
    SwissNomad Ghost: or came from
    Adams Dubrovna: or in process of coming from :)
    Adams Dubrovna: I am very much learning here
    Adams Dubrovna: It was nice of you to join us on your first day. We hope to see you again
    SwissNomad Ghost: can imagine; i will check back with you guys later, gonna fly a round to see what else lives here, if you don't mind... thanks for the info and help... talk to you later
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, of course, have fun !
    Adams Dubrovna: bye for now
    SwissNomad Ghost: thanks... later guys

    Adams Dubrovna: I can't imagine coming to PaB on my first day in SL
    Adams Dubrovna: Crusty seems to be asleep
    Adams Dubrovna: Maybe he is having some nice dreams :)
    Caledonia Heron: ha ha
    Adams Dubrovna: I had a dream last night that was triggered by Mxine's dream
    Caledonia Heron: really?
    Adams Dubrovna: yes. It involved a choice
    Adams Dubrovna: I was going for a walk in the woods, I think with Maxine which is what made me know it was related
    Adams Dubrovna: For some reason I had to start my computer first
    Caledonia Heron: hmmm
    Adams Dubrovna: There were two softwares, one very complex, and one very simple
    Adams Dubrovna: I tried to run the first, which was PaB software but my computer wouldn't run it. It had just gotten to 3%
    Adams Dubrovna: My first thought on waking was that PaB was too complex for me
    Caledonia Heron: nah
    Adams Dubrovna: But then the connection with maxine and the thought that it didn;t make sense made me turn it around
    Adams Dubrovna: My computer is faulty
    Adams Dubrovna: It made me realize that my former self is still dominant from working on my project
    Adams Dubrovna: I had channeled all this energy into finishing and now I am in a "not-ready" state
    Adams Dubrovna: ah Corvi, welcome back
    Caledonia Heron: hmmmm, interesting analysis



    Adams Dubrovna: The connection with maxine, of course, is that there is something preventing me from seeing clearly
    Adams Dubrovna: It just won;t work the way it is
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ty
    Caledonia Heron: maybe see it working? start from the end and work back?
    Adams Dubrovna: There are lots of possibilites to fix it once we see it, yes
    Caledonia Heron: wb Corvi :)
    Caledonia Heron: what if there's really nothing to fix?
    Adams Dubrovna: I need to do something about this former self :)



    Adams Dubrovna: Hi Gen :)
    Caledonia Heron: hey Gen :)
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey Cal :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Gen.
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey Adams!
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey Corvi!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Gen..everybody has sunglasses on for some reason....
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Caledonia Heron: I am trying to understand your perspective of multi-selves ... not sure I am being successful there
    Adams Dubrovna: except for Crusty :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: he does on my screen.
    genesis Zhangsun: well not Adams either....you seem to have less on than usual
    genesis Zhangsun: nice look :)
    Caledonia Heron: maybe Crusty also .... can't see, he is drooped over :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: everybody does on my screen.
    Adams Dubrovna: I was at the hajj the other day and I had to shave my head
    genesis Zhangsun: Including Adams?
    genesis Zhangsun: Y'all look like the crew from the Matrix
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins..mine are "matrix" sunglasses.
    genesis Zhangsun: haha I was right!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: grins.
    Adams Dubrovna: Cal, it may be something that is relevant to me and not you
    Caledonia Heron: I am not armed
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: the multi self concept?
    Caledonia Heron: yes Adams, I can appreciate that but still trying on your perspective
    Adams Dubrovna: yes Corvi
    genesis Zhangsun: Ok everyone lets get out there and get people to see that we are living in a illusion and to save our humanity we have to stop those machines!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.



    Corvuscorva Nightfire: so...would it feel comfortable to tell us more about the idea?
    Adams Dubrovna: Corvi?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: multi self
    Adams Dubrovna: ah
    genesis Zhangsun: *sorry I will curb my enthusiasm :)
    Adams Dubrovna: First i was talking about a dream which is on my blog (188,1)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Adams Dubrovna: It was triggered by Maxine's dream she recounted at her lecture and told us again yesterday
    Adams Dubrovna: While I was working on my big project, I noticed some paterns re-emrging, like anger that I could not shake
    Adams Dubrovna: I realized that I had neeeded memory to know how to implement the project which I had not used in a year
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Adams Dubrovna: That I had called upon a former self for this memory
    Adams Dubrovna: and this self-was re-emerging
    Adams Dubrovna: Most of the fall I was able to keep it at bay
    Adams Dubrovna: until the end when some new huirdles re-emerged
    Adams Dubrovna: emerged not re-emerged
    Adams Dubrovna: I bulled my way through the impediments but it was at a cost
    Adams Dubrovna: I felt all this negative energy building up in me
    Adams Dubrovna: Now I am done and this is subsiding
    Adams Dubrovna: The dream was a message about what i ave to do now I think
    Caledonia Heron: so yesterday's discussion triggered the dream which was beneficial, did I get it right?
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, I think so. At minumum it was the key to understanding the message of my dream
    Caledonia Heron: a very practical result :)
    Adams Dubrovna: and my mind made it clear that the dreams were connected
    Adams Dubrovna: yes Cal
    Adams Dubrovna was hoping Maxine would be here today :)
    Caledonia Heron: yes, would have been timely :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Cal, of course the multiple selves make the software more complex :)
    Caledonia Heron: by factors of the selves :)
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Adams Dubrovna: The simple software ran better
    Caledonia Heron: typical
    Adams Dubrovna: :)



    Adams Dubrovna: Hi Moon :)
    Moon Fargis: ^^/
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hiya Moonbear.
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey Moon
    Caledonia Heron: hey Moon :)
    Moon Fargis: wow cool sunglasses corvi!
    Moon Fargis giggles
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: nice shades Moon.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Adams...are you pulling those selves together right now?
    genesis Zhangsun: Are we mobilizing?
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: to fight the machines?
    genesis Zhangsun: that was where I was going ;)
    Moon Fargis: huh?
    Adams Dubrovna: Don;t know how that is going to end up, Corvi, maybe they need to be shed
    Moon Fargis: fight the machines?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it sounds like there are skills and memories tied to each of them...
    genesis Zhangsun: (Moon we are in the Matrix)
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Moon Fargis: ekk!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: so that as you shed them, you are afraid of losing those?
    Adams Dubrovna: Corvi, yes, that is
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: or not?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Caledonia Heron: yikes!



    Adams Dubrovna: I have things to learn yet Corvi :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: so..uses still for them..and things you don't want to lose with them...
    Moon Fargis: "look out for the yellow bear nero"
    Moon Fargis: "neo"
    Caledonia Heron: I would like to hear more on this next time Adams .... unfortunately I have to go
    Adams Dubrovna: yes Corvi
    genesis Zhangsun: bye Cal :)
    Adams Dubrovna: bye Cal. Good to see you :)
    genesis Zhangsun: Just remember Adams you never really "lose" anything
    Caledonia Heron: bye :)
    genesis Zhangsun: one self doesn't "replace" another
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye, Cal.
    genesis Zhangsun: they are all present all the time :)
    genesis Zhangsun: my humble opinion

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