2008.12.30 07:00 - SL reborn

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     Riddle Sideways sat as guardian and is adding these comments.  (will add more when able)

    There is much thought provoking between the words of this session.
    That is to say that many of the words here have brought up in me (and probably only myselfs) huge concepts, opportunities, thoughts, twists, etc.

    I sat alone for some time, before Jeremiah entered.

    Riddle Sideways: Good Morning, Master Listener.
    Riddle Sideways: Good Morning, Jeremiah
    Jeremiah Nacht: Good Morning Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: ah, a quiet morning
    Riddle Sideways: have you been here before
    Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, a bit of a surprise
    Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, I am usually here with different avatars
    Jeremiah Nacht: This is more the way I look in RL and it is a bit of a test
    Jeremiah Nacht: for me
    Riddle Sideways: well, it is good to meet you again and again
    Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, and you too Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: This is how I look sometimes in RL
    Riddle Sideways: except I can't do faces
    Riddle Sideways: and my hair loss
    Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, faces are difficult to match
    Jeremiah Nacht: and it difficult to find correct hair
    Jeremiah Nacht: But we do what we can :)
    My inner tension is already growing.  I can't get this one av of mine to look, dress nor act right.  I should have two or five avs to fit my moods and uses (and needs).
    Riddle Sideways: I envy your ability to mold avatars
    Riddle Sideways: I have given up
    Jeremiah Nacht: Well it mostly is a matter of looking around and a few lindens :)
    Jeremiah Nacht: Not so easy for male avatars as with women :)
    Riddle Sideways: ah, my being cheap means I have to DIY
    Jeremiah Nacht: haha
    Jeremiah Nacht: It doesn't matter at all :)
    Jeremiah Nacht: Just another distraction
    Riddle Sideways: so far I have not spent any L
    Jeremiah Nacht: I envy people who can ignore their avatars and not worry about it
    Riddle Sideways: ha :)
    Jeremiah Nacht: I haven't done much with this one
    Jeremiah Nacht: Hello Gaya :)
    Riddle Sideways: is this aseperate membership
    Riddle Sideways: or just another inventory body

    Riddle Sideways: goodmorning, Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello both
    Jeremiah Nacht: Ah, I get your meaning. It is separate
    Jeremiah Nacht: That creates sme problems
    Riddle Sideways: TG, the image of a little inventory menu of different bodies was ...
    Riddle Sideways: cloths are one thing, but
    Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, the inventories are seaparate and friends are separate
    Jeremiah Nacht: If you want to avoid someone, it can be an advantage :)
    Riddle Sideways: a closet of exchangable bodies
    Jeremiah Nacht: Wow Gaya!
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm...?
    Jeremiah Nacht: it is more than bodies. They each have their own personality
    Gaya Ethaniel: This look Jeremiah? Finally found a 'mature' skin I like.
    Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, I switch personallities so often
    Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, I am admiring your work :)
    Riddle Sideways: that would be hard
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles. Thank you.
    Jeremiah Nacht: For me it has helped loosen up what is going inside og me
    Riddle Sideways: to exit room and zoom back in another person
    Jeremiah Nacht: Expoloring aspects of me
    Riddle Sideways: yes, Playing
    Riddle Sideways: Play a part
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Storm
    Riddle Sideways: be a character
    Jeremiah Nacht: Hello Storm :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hello
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Storm
    Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, it is role playing to a degree
    Riddle Sideways: yet, maybe more
    Riddle Sideways: trying on of a different skin
    Jeremiah Nacht: Hmm. That is difficult to say
    Riddle Sideways: different mind
    Riddle Sideways: different corner of a big mind
    Jeremiah Nacht: yes, a different aspect
    Jeremiah Nacht: part of us
    Riddle Sideways: along comes different attitude
    Jeremiah Nacht: but not all of us
    Jeremiah Nacht: My most know av is my rebel side
    Riddle Sideways: If I were better at body building, I would try it
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Jeremiah Nacht: It is a worthwhile experiment
    Riddle Sideways: seems very worthwhile
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Riddle Sideways: here you do this experiment the length you want
    Jeremiah Nacht: I have found out some things in the past few days that are very omportant
    Jeremiah Nacht: important
    Riddle Sideways: in RL you have to stay that experiment with that set of people
    Riddle Sideways: oh, do tell
    Riddle Sideways: can they be put into words
    Jeremiah Nacht: yes, it would be almost impossible to do in RL unless one was an actor or actress
    Gaya Ethaniel: Very true Riddle
    Jeremiah Nacht: I need to be a litle discreet but I can tell a little
    Jeremiah Nacht: I have learned why I created the rebel
    Jeremiah Nacht: it has been a voice that has been with me a long time
    Gaya Ethaniel remembers something about a TV show...
    Jeremiah Nacht: and was manifested in an avatar...actually took over an avatar :)
    Jeremiah Nacht: and I have learned a little about the conflict within me that I needed to discover
    Jeremiah Nacht: and now maybe resolve...or just drop now that I have recongized it
    Jeremiah Nacht: is that too vague?
    Riddle Sideways: no, but you could tteach us (who have not done the same) more
    Storm Nordwind: What you do think would be the outcome if you didn't resolve it?
    Jeremiah Nacht: It would be sent down another generation
    Jeremiah Nacht: That is what is pressing on me
    Storm Nordwind: Because someone uses or has used you as a role model?
    Jeremiah Nacht: some of it anyway
    Jeremiah Nacht: yes, sometimes we have to recognize that by reason of our position or role that our actions or words can have a great deal of an effect on others
    Jeremiah Nacht: a thoughtless word or action can be devastating without nour knowledge
    Storm Nordwind suspects that is continuous and widespread with everyone we meet
    Jeremiah Nacht: yes, but we can only try to work this out in ourselves, never perfectly...but I think we might be able to do better. I hope so
    Storm Nordwind: It sounds like a noble aim Jeremiah
    Jeremiah Nacht: Thanks Storm
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Riddle Sideways: sounds like the purpose of "2nd Life"
    Riddle Sideways: to get another rebirth
    Riddle Sideways: another trip through what you have to work out
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Jeremiah Nacht: well thte name suggests the possibility of doing something we can't do in first life
    Storm Nordwind: Ah yes... a rebirth... such has happened twice to me in SL!
    Riddle Sideways: skip the early years
    Jeremiah Nacht: hah Storm
    Jeremiah Nacht: :)
    Riddle Sideways: go right to workin on it
    Gaya Ethaniel: Twice?
    Storm Nordwind: Yes twice. With SL I would not have met my soul-mate. Without SL I would not also have met my work-mates! :)
    Jeremiah Nacht: :)
    Storm Nordwind: *with->without
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Riddle Sideways thinks "Storm" was not always the calm nice day we know
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Jeremiah Nacht: I think having young avatars is suggestive of looking at things anew
    Jeremiah Nacht: can open oursleves up
    Storm Nordwind: And older avatars?
    Jeremiah Nacht: so it is not a bad thing
    Jeremiah Nacht: Well we have to work very hard to make our avatars appear older don't we
    Storm Nordwind: Yes! I gave up!
    Jeremiah Nacht: nothing wrong with it, another experiment
    Jeremiah Nacht: Gaya has done quite well :)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Storm Nordwind smiles and nods
    Gaya Ethaniel: Apparently people hear 'different' voices depending on my avatars
    Riddle Sideways: yes, it seems
    Gaya Ethaniel doesn't do voice by the way
    Jeremiah Nacht always thought Gaya was very perceptive about hearing the difference
    Gaya Ethaniel: 'hear'*
    Riddle Sideways: why would that be
    Storm Nordwind: Unless, perhaps, they once hear your RL voice
    Jeremiah Nacht: yes Storm
    Gaya Ethaniel: Some seem to have certain associations with certain looks perhaps
    Jeremiah Nacht: yes Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: or expectations...
    Jeremiah Nacht: and I know I act differently
    Jeremiah Nacht: part of the role play
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes Jeremiah, it often goes both ways
    Storm Nordwind is a very bad actor and his own avatar makes little difference to him
    Riddle Sideways: well, much time is spent staring towardthe chat box
    Jeremiah Nacht has no way to tell about Storm never having talked to the others avatars
    Riddle Sideways: and the thinking of what to say
    Riddle Sideways: that I (at least) don't watch which body/av is speaking
    Jeremiah Nacht: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Guess that's why you've been happy with your avatar Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: perhaps, but now I am not sohappy
    Gaya Ethaniel: Why not? I like your avatar
    Riddle Sideways: perhaps need to experiment like ya'll
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles. Only if you want to
    Jeremiah Nacht: As I mentioned earlier I often admire people that are not distracted by their avatars
    Riddle Sideways: di not want to, until this discussion
    Jeremiah Nacht: It can be another distraction
    Jeremiah Nacht: I am someone who takes something fairly simple and makes it very complicated
    Riddle Sideways: oh goodie another distraction
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Storm Nordwind: I have half a dozen avatars - and two versions of this one, as most of you know
    Riddle Sideways: Storm, I have not seen the monk for a long time
    Storm Nordwind: But I guess I feel unconcerned for myself, and I stopped being a monk to ensure that visiting scientists were not put off in the Kira Cafe!
    Jeremiah Nacht: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Riddle Sideways: there is that
    Jeremiah Nacht: scientists scare easily ?
    Storm Nordwind: mention religion and they can look at you in straaannngge ways! ;)
    Jeremiah Nacht: yes, a bit like Christianity :)
    Riddle Sideways: or any
    Storm Nordwind: So I just don't throw it in their face anymore
    Gaya Ethaniel: Guess Pema is one of a few exceptions
    Riddle Sideways: like when we were young
    Riddle Sideways: ha, a rasta scientist
    Storm Nordwind giggles
    Jeremiah Nacht: :)
    Riddle Sideways: why is ones position in ... determined by hair length?
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm... what does 'rasta' mean?
    Storm Nordwind: People are, it seems to me, more often than not rather set in their ways. My object is not to change them
    Jeremiah Nacht thinks some people's reaction to religion is created by the few who go around trying to change other people
    Riddle Sideways: Gaya, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you
    Riddle Sideways: yes, you can not change others
    Riddle Sideways: only yourself
    Jeremiah Nacht: We should be the object rather than the subject
    Storm Nordwind: Yes Jeremiah. I was reading today how Douglas Adams made the transition from woolly Christian to radical atheist by hearing an evangelical preaching on a street corner
    Jeremiah Nacht: :)
    Riddle Sideways: that would do it
    Jeremiah Nacht: It always good to hear about another Adams :)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Riddle Sideways: I missed that point. Douglas Adams is one of my favorite subjects
    Riddle Sideways: had you ever heard him speak?
    Storm Nordwind: You'll find the reference in "The Salmon of Doubt"
    Riddle Sideways: read it long ago
    Storm Nordwind: Before people shoot off today, could I request that everyone spends a minute or two in Kira Cafe. I am testing a visitor monitor and would like to see us all in the stats report for tomorrow!
    Jeremiah Nacht: OK Storm
    Riddle Sideways: ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: Of course
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you so much!
    Riddle Sideways: I heard him speak at a nerd conferrence
    Jeremiah Nacht: I need to go so I will go now
    Jeremiah Nacht: does that work?
    Riddle Sideways: and he kept 4-8 threads going
    Storm Nordwind: That will be good
    Gaya Ethaniel: Enjoy your day Jeremiah
    Storm Nordwind: I will go too
    Riddle Sideways: ok, thanks jeremiah
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you for the hosting Riddle
    Jeremiah Nacht: thanks for the discussion everyone
    Jeremiah Nacht: and bye :)
    Storm Nordwind: Namaste
    Jeremiah Nacht: oh oh someone send a tp for me
    Gaya Ethaniel: I will drop by the cafe a little later

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