2009.11.30 13:00 - Accepting Graciously

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Stim Morane. The comments are by Stim Morane.

    Alfred Kelberry: hey, no one
    Wol Euler: it's early yet, not 1pm
    Wol Euler: hello stim
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, stim is here :)
    Stim Morane: Hi Alrfed, Wol!
    Stim Morane: Alfred, sorry
    Alfred Kelberry: np, the brain can handle it :)
    Wol Euler: it would at least be a unique name.
    Alfred Kelberry: until the next typo :)
    Wol Euler: hello arch, eliza
    Alfred Kelberry: hi, arch and your kitties :)
    Stim Morane: Hi Arch, Eliza
    Archmage Atlantis: Greeting everybody :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stim, Wol, Alfred, Arch :)
    Alfred Kelberry: gee, wol, you're still a ghost for me
    Wol Euler: zoom rightt in on me, that sometimes helps
    Alfred Kelberry: pinching you doesn't work either :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, that i can do :)
    Alfred Kelberry: yay!
    Alfred Kelberry: it did work - thank you, wol :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: hello gaya
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Gaya :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :)
    Stim Morane: Hi Gaya
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Gaya :)
    Wol Euler: hello yaku
    Eliza Madrigal: Hey, Ya :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yay, no more RL meditation classes until next year!
    Eliza Madrigal: yay?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Archmage Atlantis: Greetings, Yk :)
    Alfred Kelberry: hi, bunny :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: idk, I don't really find them much useful. I go for my husband's sake ^^;;;
    Stim Morane: Hi Yakuzza
    Gaya Ethaniel: How is everyone?
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Alfred Kelberry sips green tea - i'm fine, thanks
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, SophiaSharon
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon :)
    Stim Morane: Hi Sharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi all! waves
    Eliza Madrigal: Sharon, like the new hair :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt
    Qt Core: hi all
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon
    Stim Morane: Hi Qt, Zon
    Zon Quar: hi all
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks, not new :) lost in theinventory
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Yakuzza, Sharon, Zon and Qt :)
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, a lot of people today
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree, Eliza, nice SS
    Eliza Madrigal: sounds like a book title... Lost in the Inventory...
    Gaya Ethaniel: lol
    Stim Morane: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: grins
    Archmage Atlantis: Interesting too, I was just rummaging in my inventory for things others might want or use
    Eliza Madrigal: Most things can't be given away it seems, Arch
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (brb)
    Gaya Ethaniel thinks 'giving' can be tricky as well as 'receiving'.
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Zon Quar: we should be able to allow both
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eden :)
    Wol Euler: hello eden
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eden :)
    Stim Morane: Hi Eden
    Zon Quar: eden
    Wol Euler: hello zon, sophia, qt; sorry, I was disracted
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Its much easier for me to give than receive
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi np
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi to all who arrived
    Zon Quar: its so often
    Zon Quar: when u receive..i feel often inferior
    Eden Haiku: HI...sorry, I had trouble getting seated...
    Zon Quar: when u give..u can feel superios
    Eliza Madrigal: What about sharing... that seems to imply something continuous...
    Zon Quar: sharing is giving ?
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'd say feeling superior as a result of giving doesn't just come from the givier. I'm sure the receiver contributes to that effect.
    Bolonath Crystal: namaste :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Bolonath :)
    Eliza Madrigal: sure, zon.. but more like being willing to give? softer boundaries and maybe receptivity, too...?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Calvino :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bolonath and Calvino :)
    Alfred Kelberry: sophia, i think it is for most people. making a gift you trigger a reciprocatory rule in your favor, but accepting one, you feel obliged.
    Wol Euler: hello bolo, calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi all, bug group today
    Eliza Madrigal: bzzz
    Wol Euler stings
    Stim Morane: Hi Calvino
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Stim, hello.
    Stim Morane: :)
    Zon Quar: its our ego that makes it harder to receive
    SophiaSharon Larnia: agree with tht statement, yes, often feel indebted when someone does something kind for me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: although its not intended to be that way
    Wol Euler: hello aubergine
    Aubergine Mint: Hi Wol and everyone
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Aubergine :)
    Zon Quar: hi A
    Stim Morane: Hi Aubergine
    Bolonath Crystal: hi aubergine
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aubergine :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but indebted to? I'm not sure we can really anything back, really...
    Eliza Madrigal: *pay
    Alfred Kelberry: sophia, in fact it is, and it's innate in us. otherwise, it would be difficult to enter any kind of agreement without reciprocation.
    Wol Euler: better to pay forward, perhaps :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: return kindness in turn :)
    Archmage Atlantis: To accept graciously, without feeling obligation is something some of us have to work on............But so is giving without expecting return...in my belief
    SophiaSharon Larnia: which changes it I guess
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Zon Quar: nods to Arch
    Eliza Madrigal: well even if someone pays back something like money... the act of kindness at the right moment remains.. in some way? or...
    Gaya Ethaniel: I like giving to people whom I know won't feel obliged :P
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: There are people who just won't go looking for motives?
    Alfred Kelberry: there's always a motive :)
    Wol Euler: hello bert
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bertram :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Bertram :)
    Stim Morane: Hi Bertram
    Bertram Jacobus: (hi everybody - no need to reply . don´t want to disturb conversation) ... :-)
    Bolonath Crystal: hello bert
    SophiaSharon Larnia: whispers hi...shh
    Bolonath Crystal: too late *g*
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: wait, let's greet bert guys :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I know it's semantics, but for me a gift comes free of expectations on the part of the giver, whether that is with obligation to repay, or obligation to use in a certain way, or even an obligation to use or keep.......anything else is a form of loan
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, but it still matters in a way that can't be paid back.. whatever their motive...
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah Alfred
    Zon Quar: perhaps the rigth motive could be...to be available for the existence to receive anf give what the situation requires
    Wol Euler nods
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes to cultivate that acceptance
    Wol Euler: to feel and respond to the moment
    Gaya Ethaniel: Do you think people who can accept gifts graciously can also accept 'bad' situations well?
    Zon Quar: nods
    Eliza Madrigal considers 'bad' gifts...
    Archmage Atlantis: Interesting question, Gaya, .....it does seem like there would be a connection
    Zon Quar: of we consider us to be a passage--we dont take anything personally
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, bad and good are judgements of value from the perspective or the receiver
    Eliza Madrigal: yes certainly...
    Calvino Rabeni: Possibly, accurate judgments
    SophiaSharon Larnia: accepting what comes with equanimity, I think they would be, Gaya.
    Archmage Atlantis: Accurate for the one making the judgement
    Alfred Kelberry gives gaya a cup of green tea :)
    Gaya Ethaniel thanks Alfred :)
    Eden Haiku: There is a grace both of giving and of receiving. A graciousness about it, on both sides, not always easy. But when it flows naturally, what a pleasure!
    Wol Euler nods
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, Eden!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Unfortunately I will have to drink in private as it deletes my hand ^^;;;
    Stim Morane: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: bunnies do drink tea, do they? :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello shayann ! :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Shyann :)
    Shyann Davi smiles. "Hello."
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Shyann :)
    Bertram Jacobus: take a seat if you like
    Eden Haiku: Hi Shyann! Nice to see you are back !
    Shyann Davi: Hi Eden
    Calvino Rabeni: welcome back shyann.
    Zon Quar: to be able to give u need to receive..so its one process
    Archmage Atlantis: One of the most frequent issues in my life has been to hurt anothers feelings when I thought I was helping
    Alfred Kelberry: gaya, ouch - sorry about that (just read it)
    Gaya Ethaniel: np :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Interesting arch, yes we can try to give and it goes awry :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya
    Alfred Kelberry: arch, oh, that's.. confusing
    Eliza Madrigal: Hiya Ara :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello ara :)
    Zon Quar: ara:)
    Stim Morane: hi arabella
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Ara, and eveyone i didn't say hi too :))
    arabella Ella: wow busy here tonight!
    Bertram Jacobus: sry, have to leave again - this time without disturbing (!) ... ;-)
    arabella Ella: more people than i've seen in ages
    Wol Euler: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: oh my! 17 people - it's a record for me at pab :)
    arabella Ella: seems to be to me too :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Stim is a people magnet :P
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Eliza Madrigal smiles widely
    Stim Morane: ?
    arabella Ella nods
    Stim Morane: you're talking about all the mistakes I make in public?
    Gaya Ethaniel: eh?
    arabella Ella: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: i guess this was one of them :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ahhh ... being modest again Stim :P
    Gaya Ethaniel: Now, you must tell us at least one time you made a huge mistake in public, Stim.
    Stim Morane: blushes
    Gaya Ethaniel: Puleeeez
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: wow, bunnies are persistent
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zon Quar: one time i thought i made a mistake...but i was wrong
    Stim Morane: ah, good
    Stim Morane: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: you just can't say no to "puleeeez", stim :)
    Stim Morane: any sort of public appearance usually seems like a big mistake to me
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eden Haiku: How so Stim?
    arabella Ella: is a virtual appearance considered a public appearance Stim?
    Stim Morane: I'm amazed that any of you are paying any attention to my silly comments. If I wake up a bit, maybe I'll say something more worth reading.
    Stim Morane: Or maybe not ...
    Eliza Madrigal: You sleep until after noon, Stim?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: You are slick, Stim *grins*
    Stim Morane: I'm always half-asleep
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, good plan
    Stim Morane: please continue with your discussion ...
    Alfred Kelberry: half-meditating :)
    Stim Morane: sounds nice
    Gaya Ethaniel: I knew Stim will divert at questions ... v.v
    Eden Haiku: We are all looking at you Stim ;-))
    Stim Morane: help!
    SophiaSharon Larnia thinks she understands that
    Alfred Kelberry: haha
    Stim Morane: if you don't let me off the hook, I'm going to start asking you about that 9 seconds practice.
    Eden Haiku: This is what is called being on the hot seat ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, this isn't group therapy, so I'm willing to give Stim some pleace
    Archmage Atlantis: *peace
    Eliza Madrigal is going to try the half-sleeping thing to keep from making mistakes in public...
    Eden Haiku: Joking ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just watch where youre going, Eliza it can be tricky ;p
    Gaya Ethaniel: Without mistakes, how is one supposed to learn?
    Stim Morane: true
    Stim Morane: mistakes are very important
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd like to choose which mistakes to make... is that do-able?
    Zon Quar: i like mistakes..especially whe others do them
    Stim Morane: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: lol
    Stim Morane: those should go unseen
    Stim Morane: :)
    Wol Euler: Eliza, I think that would be a mistake.
    Archmage Atlantis: Chuckles
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: A favourite quote, a mathematician talking about a colleague: "Yutaka Taniyma was gifted with the special ability of making many mistakes, mostly in the right direction. I envied him for this and tried in vain to imitate him, but found it quite difficult to make good mistakes."
    Archmage Atlantis: I think that chosing a mistake, may in fact negate it's possibility of being a mistake *smiles*
    Stim Morane: :)
    Wol Euler: oops, too soon, sorry :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, fantastic quote, Wol
    Zon Quar: have u heard the stiry about thomas alva edison ?
    Zon Quar: he makde 1000 trues to invent a light puld
    Zon Quar: tries
    Eliza Madrigal: he was persistent like a bunny :)
    Zon Quar: and tge reporter asked him
    Zon Quar: how does it feel
    Gaya Ethaniel: :P
    Zon Quar: to have making 999 mistakes
    Zon Quar: he was suprised
    Zon Quar: and said
    Zon Quar: i havnet made any mistakes
    Zon Quar: i know 999 ways of not to make a light pulp
    arabella Ella: cool
    Zon Quar: how many do u know ?
    Eden Haiku: Great story Zon, I never heard the ending.
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Nice Story, Zon
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: he was really in the dark about what he was doing, too ;-)
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Archmage Atlantis: A matter of perspective :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Fall down 10000 times, get up 10001
    Gaya Ethaniel thinks cushioned garden knee pads are the key of succeeding in such spiritual endeavours.
    Calvino Rabeni: If it is worth it, right? :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I hope so :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just the ability to be 'padded' like that is a kind of peace on its own
    Calvino Rabeni: Forgive and/or forget. Nice kind of padding.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Or 9 secs between the storms ... taking stock etc.
    Calvino Rabeni: Silence
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thinking about it, the padding feels like silence
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, I need to go, but first I have to complement you SophiaSharon.........On having an entire PaB session about your lost and found hair *big grin*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: eh? lol
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Arch :)
    Wol Euler: bye arch, take care.
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Arch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye All
    Eden Haiku: Bye Arch!
    Stim Morane: Bye
    Zon Quar: bye A
    Calvino Rabeni: I was getting to know the white tiger cub a bit.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Serina :)
    Calvino Rabeni: It likes to pass to other avatars.
    arabella Ella: :)
    Serina Felisimo: hi
    Bolonath Crystal: hi serina
    Gaya Ethaniel waves at Serina.
    arabella Ella: gotta go nite all
    Gaya Ethaniel: Good night everyone :)
    Wol Euler: bye ara, take care
    Eden Haiku: Bye Ara!
    Zon Quar: nite ara
    Wol Euler: bye stim, gaya, enjoy the day
    Bolonath Crystal: i go to sleep, friends. good nite
    Stim Morane: same here ... bye everyone!
    Aubergine Mint: bye everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Nite, Ara, Stim, Gaya , Bolo...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye all
    Zon Quar: me 2 bye all
    Eliza Madrigal: everyone :)
    Eden Haiku: Stim, Gaya, nite!
    Wol Euler: 'night bolo, aubergine, everyone else :)
    Eden Haiku: Goodnite everyone!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles as the pavilion empties :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: goodnight!
    Shyann Davi: Nite Eden.
    Wol Euler: they must be giving out chocolate cake somewhere ...
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night
    Qt Core: bye all
    Alfred Kelberry: i shall find out :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: bye qt, alf
    Wol Euler: oooh swirlies.
    Alfred Kelberry: thank you for the nice comfy company all of you
    Wol Euler: a pleasure as always, alf.
    Alfred Kelberry: bye!
    Shyann Davi: Well.. I guess I'll go in search of a chocolate cake too.
    Calvino Rabeni: Enjoy
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Shyann
    Shyann Davi giggles. "Thanks. Nice seeing you again Cal."
    Wol Euler: bye shyann, take care
    Shyann Davi: Thank you Wol, you too.
    Wol Euler: I should go too, I have some hacking and debugging to do.
    Wol Euler: take care, cal, see you anon.
    Calvino Rabeni: Same here.
    Calvino Rabeni: Adieu.
    Wol Euler: au revoir

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