2009.11.30 13:00 - Accepting Graciously

The Guardian for this meeting was Stim Morane. The comments are by Stim Morane.

Alfred Kelberry: hey, no one
Wol Euler: it's early yet, not 1pm
Wol Euler: hello stim
Alfred Kelberry: ah, stim is here :)
Stim Morane: Hi Alrfed, Wol!
Stim Morane: Alfred, sorry
Alfred Kelberry: np, the brain can handle it :)
Wol Euler: it would at least be a unique name.
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: until the next typo :)
Wol Euler: hello arch, eliza
Alfred Kelberry: hi, arch and your kitties :)
Stim Morane: Hi Arch, Eliza
Archmage Atlantis: Greeting everybody :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stim, Wol, Alfred, Arch :)
Alfred Kelberry: gee, wol, you're still a ghost for me
Wol Euler: zoom rightt in on me, that sometimes helps
Alfred Kelberry: pinching you doesn't work either :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: ah, that i can do :)
Alfred Kelberry: yay!
Alfred Kelberry: it did work - thank you, wol :)
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: hello gaya
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Gaya :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :)
Stim Morane: Hi Gaya
Archmage Atlantis: Hello Gaya :)
Wol Euler: hello yaku
Eliza Madrigal: Hey, Ya :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Yay, no more RL meditation classes until next year!
Eliza Madrigal: yay?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Archmage Atlantis: Greetings, Yk :)
Alfred Kelberry: hi, bunny :)
Gaya Ethaniel: idk, I don't really find them much useful. I go for my husband's sake ^^;;;
Stim Morane: Hi Yakuzza
Gaya Ethaniel: How is everyone?
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Alfred Kelberry sips green tea - i'm fine, thanks
Archmage Atlantis: Hello, SophiaSharon
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon :)
Stim Morane: Hi Sharon
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi all! waves
Eliza Madrigal: Sharon, like the new hair :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt
Qt Core: hi all
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon
Stim Morane: Hi Qt, Zon
Zon Quar: hi all
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks, not new :) lost in theinventory
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Yakuzza, Sharon, Zon and Qt :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, a lot of people today
Archmage Atlantis: Agree, Eliza, nice SS
Eliza Madrigal: sounds like a book title... Lost in the Inventory...
Gaya Ethaniel: lol
Stim Morane: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: grins
Archmage Atlantis: Interesting too, I was just rummaging in my inventory for things others might want or use
Eliza Madrigal: Most things can't be given away it seems, Arch
SophiaSharon Larnia: (brb)
Gaya Ethaniel thinks 'giving' can be tricky as well as 'receiving'.
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zon Quar: we should be able to allow both
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eden :)
Wol Euler: hello eden
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eden :)
Stim Morane: Hi Eden
Zon Quar: eden
Wol Euler: hello zon, sophia, qt; sorry, I was disracted
SophiaSharon Larnia: Its much easier for me to give than receive
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi np
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi to all who arrived
Zon Quar: its so often
Zon Quar: when u receive..i feel often inferior
Eden Haiku: HI...sorry, I had trouble getting seated...
Zon Quar: when u give..u can feel superios
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: What about sharing... that seems to imply something continuous...
Zon Quar: sharing is giving ?
Gaya Ethaniel: I'd say feeling superior as a result of giving doesn't just come from the givier. I'm sure the receiver contributes to that effect.
Bolonath Crystal: namaste :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Bolonath :)
Eliza Madrigal: sure, zon.. but more like being willing to give? softer boundaries and maybe receptivity, too...?
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Calvino :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bolonath and Calvino :)
Alfred Kelberry: sophia, i think it is for most people. making a gift you trigger a reciprocatory rule in your favor, but accepting one, you feel obliged.
Wol Euler: hello bolo, calvino
Calvino Rabeni: Hi all, bug group today
Eliza Madrigal: bzzz
Wol Euler stings
Stim Morane: Hi Calvino
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Calvino Rabeni: Stim, hello.
Stim Morane: :)
Zon Quar: its our ego that makes it harder to receive
SophiaSharon Larnia: agree with tht statement, yes, often feel indebted when someone does something kind for me
SophiaSharon Larnia: although its not intended to be that way
Wol Euler: hello aubergine
Aubergine Mint: Hi Wol and everyone
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Aubergine :)
Zon Quar: hi A
Stim Morane: Hi Aubergine
Bolonath Crystal: hi aubergine
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aubergine :)
Eliza Madrigal: but indebted to? I'm not sure we can really anything back, really...
Eliza Madrigal: *pay
Alfred Kelberry: sophia, in fact it is, and it's innate in us. otherwise, it would be difficult to enter any kind of agreement without reciprocation.
Wol Euler: better to pay forward, perhaps :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: return kindness in turn :)
Archmage Atlantis: To accept graciously, without feeling obligation is something some of us have to work on............But so is giving without expecting return...in my belief
SophiaSharon Larnia: which changes it I guess
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zon Quar: nods to Arch
Eliza Madrigal: well even if someone pays back something like money... the act of kindness at the right moment remains.. in some way? or...
Gaya Ethaniel: I like giving to people whom I know won't feel obliged :P
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: There are people who just won't go looking for motives?
Alfred Kelberry: there's always a motive :)
Wol Euler: hello bert
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bertram :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Bertram :)
Stim Morane: Hi Bertram
Bertram Jacobus: (hi everybody - no need to reply . don´t want to disturb conversation) ... :-)
Bolonath Crystal: hello bert
SophiaSharon Larnia: whispers hi...shh
Bolonath Crystal: too late *g*
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Alfred Kelberry: wait, let's greet bert guys :)
Archmage Atlantis: I know it's semantics, but for me a gift comes free of expectations on the part of the giver, whether that is with obligation to repay, or obligation to use in a certain way, or even an obligation to use or keep.......anything else is a form of loan
Eliza Madrigal: hm, but it still matters in a way that can't be paid back.. whatever their motive...
Eliza Madrigal: hahah Alfred
Zon Quar: perhaps the rigth motive could be...to be available for the existence to receive anf give what the situation requires
Wol Euler nods
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes to cultivate that acceptance
Wol Euler: to feel and respond to the moment
Gaya Ethaniel: Do you think people who can accept gifts graciously can also accept 'bad' situations well?
Zon Quar: nods
Eliza Madrigal considers 'bad' gifts...
Archmage Atlantis: Interesting question, Gaya, .....it does seem like there would be a connection
Zon Quar: of we consider us to be a passage--we dont take anything personally
Archmage Atlantis: Well, bad and good are judgements of value from the perspective or the receiver
Eliza Madrigal: yes certainly...
Calvino Rabeni: Possibly, accurate judgments
SophiaSharon Larnia: accepting what comes with equanimity, I think they would be, Gaya.
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: Accurate for the one making the judgement
Alfred Kelberry gives gaya a cup of green tea :)
Gaya Ethaniel thanks Alfred :)
Eden Haiku: There is a grace both of giving and of receiving. A graciousness about it, on both sides, not always easy. But when it flows naturally, what a pleasure!
Wol Euler nods
Eliza Madrigal: yes, Eden!
Gaya Ethaniel: Unfortunately I will have to drink in private as it deletes my hand ^^;;;
Stim Morane: :)
Alfred Kelberry: bunnies do drink tea, do they? :)
Bertram Jacobus: hello shayann ! :-)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Shyann :)
Shyann Davi smiles. "Hello."
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Shyann :)
Bertram Jacobus: take a seat if you like
Eden Haiku: Hi Shyann! Nice to see you are back !
Shyann Davi: Hi Eden
Calvino Rabeni: welcome back shyann.
Zon Quar: to be able to give u need to receive..so its one process
Archmage Atlantis: One of the most frequent issues in my life has been to hurt anothers feelings when I thought I was helping
Alfred Kelberry: gaya, ouch - sorry about that (just read it)
Gaya Ethaniel: np :)
Eliza Madrigal: Interesting arch, yes we can try to give and it goes awry :)
arabella Ella: Hiya
Alfred Kelberry: arch, oh, that's.. confusing
Eliza Madrigal: Hiya Ara :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello ara :)
Zon Quar: ara:)
Stim Morane: hi arabella
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Ara, and eveyone i didn't say hi too :))
arabella Ella: wow busy here tonight!
Bertram Jacobus: sry, have to leave again - this time without disturbing (!) ... ;-)
arabella Ella: more people than i've seen in ages
Wol Euler: :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh my! 17 people - it's a record for me at pab :)
arabella Ella: seems to be to me too :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Stim is a people magnet :P
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Eliza Madrigal smiles widely
Stim Morane: ?
arabella Ella nods
Stim Morane: you're talking about all the mistakes I make in public?
Gaya Ethaniel: eh?
arabella Ella: :)
Alfred Kelberry: i guess this was one of them :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ahhh ... being modest again Stim :P
Gaya Ethaniel: Now, you must tell us at least one time you made a huge mistake in public, Stim.
Stim Morane: blushes
Gaya Ethaniel: Puleeeez
Alfred Kelberry: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Eliza Madrigal: wow, bunnies are persistent
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zon Quar: one time i thought i made a mistake...but i was wrong
Stim Morane: ah, good
Stim Morane: :)
Alfred Kelberry: you just can't say no to "puleeeez", stim :)
Stim Morane: any sort of public appearance usually seems like a big mistake to me
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: How so Stim?
arabella Ella: is a virtual appearance considered a public appearance Stim?
Stim Morane: I'm amazed that any of you are paying any attention to my silly comments. If I wake up a bit, maybe I'll say something more worth reading.
Stim Morane: Or maybe not ...
Eliza Madrigal: You sleep until after noon, Stim?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Archmage Atlantis: You are slick, Stim *grins*
Stim Morane: I'm always half-asleep
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, good plan
Stim Morane: please continue with your discussion ...
Alfred Kelberry: half-meditating :)
Stim Morane: sounds nice
Gaya Ethaniel: I knew Stim will divert at questions ... v.v
Eden Haiku: We are all looking at you Stim ;-))
Stim Morane: help!
SophiaSharon Larnia thinks she understands that
Alfred Kelberry: haha
Stim Morane: if you don't let me off the hook, I'm going to start asking you about that 9 seconds practice.
Eden Haiku: This is what is called being on the hot seat ...
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Archmage Atlantis: Well, this isn't group therapy, so I'm willing to give Stim some pleace
Archmage Atlantis: *peace
Eliza Madrigal is going to try the half-sleeping thing to keep from making mistakes in public...
Eden Haiku: Joking ;-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: just watch where youre going, Eliza it can be tricky ;p
Gaya Ethaniel: Without mistakes, how is one supposed to learn?
Stim Morane: true
Stim Morane: mistakes are very important
Eliza Madrigal: I'd like to choose which mistakes to make... is that do-able?
Zon Quar: i like mistakes..especially whe others do them
Stim Morane: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: lol
Stim Morane: those should go unseen
Stim Morane: :)
Wol Euler: Eliza, I think that would be a mistake.
Archmage Atlantis: Chuckles
Eliza Madrigal: :)
--BELL--
Wol Euler: A favourite quote, a mathematician talking about a colleague: "Yutaka Taniyma was gifted with the special ability of making many mistakes, mostly in the right direction. I envied him for this and tried in vain to imitate him, but found it quite difficult to make good mistakes."
Archmage Atlantis: I think that chosing a mistake, may in fact negate it's possibility of being a mistake *smiles*
Stim Morane: :)
Wol Euler: oops, too soon, sorry :)
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, fantastic quote, Wol
Zon Quar: have u heard the stiry about thomas alva edison ?
Zon Quar: he makde 1000 trues to invent a light puld
Zon Quar: tries
Eliza Madrigal: he was persistent like a bunny :)
Zon Quar: and tge reporter asked him
Zon Quar: how does it feel
Gaya Ethaniel: :P
Zon Quar: to have making 999 mistakes
Zon Quar: he was suprised
Zon Quar: and said
Zon Quar: i havnet made any mistakes
Zon Quar: i know 999 ways of not to make a light pulp
arabella Ella: cool
Zon Quar: how many do u know ?
Eden Haiku: Great story Zon, I never heard the ending.
Eliza Madrigal: :) Nice Story, Zon
Wol Euler: :)
Eliza Madrigal: he was really in the dark about what he was doing, too ;-)
Eden Haiku: ;-)
Archmage Atlantis: A matter of perspective :)
Calvino Rabeni: Fall down 10000 times, get up 10001
Gaya Ethaniel thinks cushioned garden knee pads are the key of succeeding in such spiritual endeavours.
Calvino Rabeni: If it is worth it, right? :)
Gaya Ethaniel: I hope so :)
Wol Euler: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: just the ability to be 'padded' like that is a kind of peace on its own
Calvino Rabeni: Forgive and/or forget. Nice kind of padding.
Gaya Ethaniel: Or 9 secs between the storms ... taking stock etc.
Calvino Rabeni: Silence
SophiaSharon Larnia: thinking about it, the padding feels like silence
Archmage Atlantis: Well, I need to go, but first I have to complement you SophiaSharon.........On having an entire PaB session about your lost and found hair *big grin*
SophiaSharon Larnia: eh? lol
Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Arch :)
Wol Euler: bye arch, take care.
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Arch :)
Archmage Atlantis: Bye All
Eden Haiku: Bye Arch!
Stim Morane: Bye
Zon Quar: bye A
Calvino Rabeni: I was getting to know the white tiger cub a bit.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Serina :)
Calvino Rabeni: It likes to pass to other avatars.
arabella Ella: :)
Serina Felisimo: hi
Bolonath Crystal: hi serina
Gaya Ethaniel waves at Serina.
--BELL--
arabella Ella: gotta go nite all
Gaya Ethaniel: Good night everyone :)
Wol Euler: bye ara, take care
Eden Haiku: Bye Ara!
Zon Quar: nite ara
Wol Euler: bye stim, gaya, enjoy the day
Bolonath Crystal: i go to sleep, friends. good nite
Stim Morane: same here ... bye everyone!
Aubergine Mint: bye everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Nite, Ara, Stim, Gaya , Bolo...
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye all
Zon Quar: me 2 bye all
Eliza Madrigal: everyone :)
Eden Haiku: Stim, Gaya, nite!
Wol Euler: 'night bolo, aubergine, everyone else :)
Eden Haiku: Goodnite everyone!
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles as the pavilion empties :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: goodnight!
Shyann Davi: Nite Eden.
Wol Euler: they must be giving out chocolate cake somewhere ...
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: night
Qt Core: bye all
Alfred Kelberry: i shall find out :)
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: bye qt, alf
Wol Euler: oooh swirlies.
Alfred Kelberry: thank you for the nice comfy company all of you
Wol Euler: a pleasure as always, alf.
Alfred Kelberry: bye!
Shyann Davi: Well.. I guess I'll go in search of a chocolate cake too.
Calvino Rabeni: Enjoy
Calvino Rabeni: Bye Shyann
Shyann Davi giggles. "Thanks. Nice seeing you again Cal."
Wol Euler: bye shyann, take care
Shyann Davi: Thank you Wol, you too.
Wol Euler: I should go too, I have some hacking and debugging to do.
Wol Euler: take care, cal, see you anon.
Calvino Rabeni: Same here.
Calvino Rabeni: Adieu.
Wol Euler: au revoir