2011.01.17 01:00 - Sometimes We Just Enjoy Without Knowing Details

The Guardian for this meeting was Cosmicflower Ushimawa. The log was posted by Pema Pera.

Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hi Kit and Pema
--BELL--
Kit Ciaco: hi
Pema Pera: Hi Cosmicflower!
Pema Pera: and hi Kit!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: how are You doing?
Pema Pera: I'm fine!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it seems its two of us Kit ;)
Kit Ciaco: I expect a few more will wander in....
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiling
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hi oOOOo
Kit Ciaco: see?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiling wide, yes
Kit Ciaco: Hi, O!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Nice to see You O
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: anyone have a topic in mind?
oO0Oo Resident: hi Kit!
Kit Ciaco: I'm just here for the ice cream....
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ice cream?
Kit Ciaco: LOL!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: where that is coming from?
Kit Ciaco: sorry - just a joke.....
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or where we get ice cream
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: oh
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lol
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I was wondering in my eyes a big amount of ice cream
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to all of us
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
oO0Oo Resident: I think most people like icecream
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: me think so too
Kit Ciaco: Well, good being is filling ourselves with what we like!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: trying to give ice cream to O too
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: did you got it?
Kit Ciaco: I did
Kit Ciaco: I is partial to lemon
Kit Ciaco: I gave O a lemon cone
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ok
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: nice
Kit Ciaco: I myself enjoy vanilla
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: njam
Kit Ciaco: I am a vanilla kind of gal
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ice cream party
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
oO0Oo Resident: tyvm
Kit Ciaco: KIK!!!
Kit Ciaco: I mean
Kit Ciaco: LOL!
Kit Ciaco: KIK means Kick In Kit
Kit Ciaco: and we wouldn't want THAT!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and what kick in kit means?
Kit Ciaco: I have no idea
Kit Ciaco: I just made it up
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lol
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: okey
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: nice
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiling very wide
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: maby we will figure out what it means
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Kit Ciaco: Who cares?
Kit Ciaco: sometimes we just enjoy without knowing details....
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah this might be good topic
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: who cares
Pema Pera: :-)
Pema Pera: (sorry about my crashing -- hope to remain stable now)
Kit Ciaco: LOL!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, its okey Pema
Pema Pera: who cares could be a great topic!
Kit Ciaco: I was stable - once
Kit Ciaco: but you know - WHO CARES!?!?!?!?!?!
Kit Ciaco: HAHAHAHAHAHA
oO0Oo Resident: lol
oO0Oo Resident: steady girl
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: some
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I am sure
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: some might care
Kit Ciaco: I ws discussing this very thing earlier with a client of mine
Kit Ciaco: who is on a self destructive path and was a little confused when I didn't support him on his path
Kit Ciaco: caring can be operationalized very differently by different people
Kit Ciaco: some think it is blatant uncoditional support
Kit Ciaco: I do not
Kit Ciaco: What do ya'll think?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: takes her dictionary now
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: just a sec
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: okey
oO0Oo Resident: for me, caring just happens, then layers are added, and actions beyond that
--BELL--
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: maby person who have open heart do care. No matter if people are from her/his family. Or from nearby.
Kit Ciaco: And is it possible to care for others without first caring for self?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but to the person who have open heart it might be difficult to understand he/she can not rescue all of them
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Kit Ciaco: caring might not be about rescuing
Kit Ciaco: I don't know
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: well
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think there are so many people who know how to love
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: they give to other people
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but them selves
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: no
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: "i need anything"
Kit Ciaco: I don't agree
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lol
Kit Ciaco: I think we can only give from what we have
Pema Pera: yes, there is that danger, Cosmic
Kit Ciaco: if our well is dry how can we give water to others?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if its not dry
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: just closed to one-Self
Kit Ciaco: same thing, from my perspective....
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there are many people around me I know they do care
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and give
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but receiving is very hard thing to do
Kit Ciaco: that is true enough
Kit Ciaco: I can only give you ice cream if I already have it
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: well
Kit Ciaco: so I first have to get it for myself
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: You gave me lots of FUN too
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and its a feel
Kit Ciaco: LOL!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Kit Ciaco: good!
Kit Ciaco: cause I am in the FUN business!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its good
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: i am in beauty business
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lol
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and wellfare
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Kit Ciaco: where do I sign up?
Kit Ciaco: cause I am ugly as SIN!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: oh
oO0Oo Resident: and business is thriving for you both!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: nonsense
Kit Ciaco: true enough....
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I do not think so
Kit Ciaco: thanks, O -
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think there is beauty in every person
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and mostly
Kit Ciaco: ummmm - I agree....
Kit Ciaco: I was joshing....
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: OH THANK GOD
Kit Ciaco: LOL!!!!!!!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
oO0Oo Resident: where does care come from, and is it dependent on seeing oneself in relation to something else?
Kit Ciaco: oooh! good question!
Kit Ciaco: John Powell said that
Kit Ciaco: I wrote him years ago and we had a fascinating little exchange
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think care comes from heart
Kit Ciaco: He said that people could not love themselves apart from loving others
Kit Ciaco: I was a young whipper snapper and I heartily disagreed with him
oO0Oo Resident: so with the question, 'who cares', one could say, 'heart cares'?
Kit Ciaco: Now I'm an old lady, and I still disagree with him but gosh, what a great person he was!
oO0Oo Resident: :) Kit
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ones heart
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hearts in people
Pema Pera: (sorry, I have to take off, sorry to stay such a short time -- dinner is calling)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: caring is a matter of heart not intelligence in brains
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think
oO0Oo Resident: bye pema
oO0Oo Resident: nice to see you
Pema Pera: take care, and see you later
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Enjoy the Dinner
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: maby that you can take caring from your heart need to be connected to One-Self
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if not being aware of one-self
Kit Ciaco: I doubt there is a difference in the two
oO0Oo Resident: I felt in that moment, like Pema looked at each of us with care in his heart
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: maby that well will get empty
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if been connected to higher Self
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: maby there is no bottom in the well
oO0Oo Resident nods
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and maby then people just start to care and love
oO0Oo Resident: maybe heart is without beginning or end, and caring is always there
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think so too, yes
--BELL--
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but now I go to talk with kitchen, just a moment brb
oO0Oo Resident: OK
oO0Oo Resident: kitchen needs care too
oO0Oo Resident: I think Cal made the helpful notecard dispensor box. Good idea
oO0Oo Resident: helps, as people come in during discussion I feel
oO0Oo Resident: contemplating the phrase today, "happiness for no reason", and wonder now, if caring also has this quality
Kit Ciaco: I sure hope so
oO0Oo Resident: play as caring
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: back
oO0Oo Resident: wb
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Thanks Dear
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Caring for no Reason
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: sounds good !
oO0Oo Resident: like random acts of kindness
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: wowww
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and think
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: how much people would be surprised
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: when they get random acts of kindness
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: this would be very good
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what if making decision
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: 2 random acts of kindness
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to who ever
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: per day
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;))
Kit Ciaco: oly 2???
Kit Ciaco: only??
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have few hours go go around
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: having 4 sons
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: youngest is 10 months
Kit Ciaco: kindness takes nano seconds
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
oO0Oo Resident: I know I care about them
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but I was thinking about them acts
Kit Ciaco: and four sons all need many random acts of kindness, too....
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to random
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: people
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, yes
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but I do not "count" that
Kit Ciaco: and random kindness to ourselves....
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I call it daily life
Kit Ciaco: I would count it
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and motherhood
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: well
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: then
Kit Ciaco: family acts of kindness is perhaps more important
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there is so much I am not able to count
Kit Ciaco: so important perhaps, maybe to focus on that sometimes....?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: unable to count them kind acts on family
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there is much of them
Kit Ciaco: Inhmmm
Kit Ciaco: I am from a different perspective
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and its been where I have focused last 10 years for now
Kit Ciaco: It is my life's goal to smother my family with kindness - I do so with great focus and I count it
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and for other people too
Kit Ciaco: yes - but other people are in the second ring
Kit Ciaco: my family is in the first
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: inner ring is family who is living in the same house
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I know what You mean Kit
oO0Oo Resident: with the first ring, such a powerful path, the ring can grow large with time
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes and when it grows its not "only" taking care of "own people"
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: surely
Kit Ciaco: it's not exclusive
oO0Oo Resident: children give us this gift
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there is much work in first ring as well
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what is not exlusive?
Kit Ciaco: the rings
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, yes
--BELL--
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I agree with O. Its true with them children.
Kit Ciaco: in my world, I am the central core of caring because, as I said, I cannot give that which I do not have. Then my partner and my children, and grandchildren. And from that springs my care of others. and Ultimately they feed one another. But always, I tend my own garden first so that I have something to give to others....
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: this reminds me also about the importance to take care of one-self as well
oO0Oo Resident nods
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and that is something I need to remember to do as well
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I am also the kind who gives and gives
oO0Oo Resident: perhaps something you have, but not what you are Cosmic?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I give from My-Self. And when it comes from my self I think its something what I AM as well
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or what did You mean O?
oO0Oo Resident: just as you say Cosmic
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: is there difference what one have and what one IS?
oO0Oo Resident: I think so yes
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Kit Ciaco: tell us more, O
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I do not see much difference between them
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I can not have something what I am not
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if its IN me
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and what makes them "limits" what I can BE?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: is Soul Unlimited?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Mind is not
oO0Oo Resident: I don't feel clear enough to explain a point of view on this
Kit Ciaco: O?
Kit Ciaco: ok
Kit Ciaco: I just think you were onto something fascinating....
oO0Oo Resident: we are, for example, not always parents
oO0Oo Resident: like before
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: growing?
oO0Oo Resident: then, we cannot say I AM a parent
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ok
Kit Ciaco: that's what I'm talking about! But how can we ever not be a parent if we once were?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: is there a way backwards?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have always thought there is only one way
Kit Ciaco: from parenting?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: foward
oO0Oo Resident: the stories we hold to descibe our sense of who we are, do not serve to describe the ever changing nature of things
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiling
Kit Ciaco: our stories we take always
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but isn`t it like a library
Kit Ciaco: they do not change with times
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: library gets new books
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but still there are old ones too
Kit Ciaco: agreed, cosmic
Kit Ciaco: stories are expansive, I don't think they know how to withdraw
Kit Ciaco: and every story is part of self
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Yes
Kit Ciaco: O, I sense I'm not hearing you as well as I want to hear you.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and I think , what we are NOW is a sum of all what we have been
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and chosen
oO0Oo Resident: the stories don't stay by themselves. I think they must be reinforced by mental tendencies to *appear* to stay, as in a 'library'.
Kit Ciaco: agreed
Kit Ciaco: the stories are dynamic, and even take on new flavor with time
Kit Ciaco: old stories can harbor new meanings
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: we are having depth in discussion here ;)
oO0Oo Resident: so if we hold cherished ideas of who we are, and then find one day, something changes, we can feel insulted, just that our story cannot fit anymore
Kit Ciaco: Interesting!
Kit Ciaco: I'm wondering - did the stories change, or our understanding of them change?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: why to feel insulted?
oO0Oo Resident: normally we try to force the story to stay
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: maby undertanding
Kit Ciaco: I don't think I do.....
--BELL--
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its more easy to go with the flow
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: with the wind
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to grow
Kit Ciaco: and with the bell, I must leave.....
Kit Ciaco: good discussion!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lol
Kit Ciaco: thank you for your time!
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Me too, work is caling
oO0Oo Resident: ty Kit
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Thank YOu too ;)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: nice to see You both
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Good talk today we had
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: with rainbowy hugs Cos leaves
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: See You soon O ;))