2011.10.09 08:00 - Guardian Session: Retreats on the Moon

Present for this week's Guardian Session were: Adams Rubble : Agatha Macbeth : Aphrodite Macbain : Eliza Madrigal : Maxine Walden : Pema Pera : Riddle Sideways : Santoshima Resident : Wol Euler : Xirana Oximoxi : Yakuzza Lethecus : Zen Arado : druth Vlodovic : iwandertoo Resident

Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Liz & sue
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Agatha Peace Goddess
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Ha
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey everyone
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hiya Pem!
Pema Pera: good morning!
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): waves
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): and yaku
Eliza Madrigal: And Hi Yaku, Susan, Xirana, Pema, Maxine
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hi Xira, lovely paintings :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ty Agg!!
Adams Rubble: Hello everyone :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello dear Adams :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): by the way...I'm still laughing at my mistake at the email I sent to the group...come 'any' moment:))
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): It was very sweet Xira, np :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :))
Gaia Goddess of Paradise (miralee.munro) is Offline
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): if you had not put 'grins' I would not noticed:))

Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Like Aph with 'doing the undoable' :)))

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen, Maxine, Wol
Wol Euler: hello all
Adams Rubble: Hello Zen, Maxine and Wol :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi everyone:)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Wollie! ♥
Wol Euler smiles and waves
Zen (zen.arado): Hi everyone :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Zen :)

Eliza Madrigal: Hope everyone is happy and well today :) We can give a few minutes for everyone to arrive then begin our discussion about retreats! :)
Wol Euler: yay
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): yay x 2
Maxine Walden: hi, all, sorry, had trouble sitting down!
Wol Euler: oh, is the theme session this afternoon?
Pema Pera: oh? what time?
Eliza Madrigal: My understanding is that it is next weekend
Pema Pera: ah!
Wol Euler: huh
Wol Euler: okay :)
Wol Euler has no idea of time or date, alas.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yo rid
Adams Rubble: theme session?
Wol Euler: hello riddle
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello Rid:)
Eliza Madrigal: for the Vashon retreat, Adams
Riddle Sideways whispers: ers hi all
Adams Rubble: Hello Riddle
Adams Rubble: ahhh
Adams Rubble: thanks
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Riddle
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): What time will that be?
Eliza Madrigal: Aphrodite updated the upcoming theme session page on the wiki

Maxine Walden: Right, the review of the Vashon retreat has been postponed til next Sunday 1300 so that we could get our presentation together
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Ah thx

Adams Rubble: There also is an art history workshop nexxt Sunday that may interst some of you
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes, thx Adams, got the GN
Maxine Walden: is that at noon, Adams?
Wol Euler: oh?
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Maxine :) And yes the description did sound very interesting Adams... say more? :)
Adams Rubble: yes, I'll send out a notice to the email gorup
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Druth :)
Adams Rubble: It is is on paintings of 17c Dutch Church Interiors
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Druth
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I've not read about this event next Sunday Adams..can you give more information?
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Druth
Adams Rubble: Hello druth :)
druth Vlodovic: hey
Maxine Walden: very nice, Adams
Wol Euler: nice
Wol Euler: ty
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): yw :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I will be aware of the email of group then:)
Adams Rubble: http://rci.rutgers.edu/~beetham/art_history_SL/
 

Eliza Madrigal: I suppose the way to begin is to ask for thoughts from everyone, on what makes sense going forward. Four official retreats per year seemed too much in some ways, so perhaps smaller gatherings/more local are appealing...
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: of course not everyone is too near to others, but perhaps there are more options than we've dreamt of
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Maxine Walden: (always more options than we dream of) :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)))

Wol Euler: one possible difficulty (that we talked about in Halifax) is perhaps simply the length of the retreats. A week is a long time for many people to take off
Wol Euler: perhaps we could do lots of tiny retreats? Friday evening to Sunday afternoon sort of thing
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello San
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Santoshima :) I'll give you a note with the discussion so far
Wol Euler: hello santo
Maxine Walden: interesting thought Wol
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Santo
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Would people really want to travel half way round the world for the sake of 3 days tho?
Santoshima: hi everyone
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi San :)
Zen (zen.arado): yeh the other consideration
Wol Euler: no, but that is the point ;) the majority of us don't want to travel that far at all. They would be for locals, who wouldn't dream of going to california
druth Vlodovic: we need one of those maps with pins for member locations :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Right, ok
Wol Euler: but might go to Brussels
Wol Euler: (example, local to some of us)
 

Maxine Walden: this might be where more local retreats are an interesting idea...as Wol is mentioning
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): So 'localisation' seems to be the key word
Wol Euler nods.
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): :)
Eliza Madrigal: Local retreats would probably tend to be more urban?
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: hotels and such?
Riddle Sideways: Pema's pin would be moving too much
Wol Euler: that is very likely, alas
Eliza Madrigal: :) Riddle
Pema Pera: ?
Pema Pera: ah, pin on map!
Wol Euler: it would give them a different flavour than the week-longs
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): The one in the map? :p
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Adams Rubble: Of course we all are locals to the Bieup retreat center
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Wol Euler: !
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Indeed

Pema Pera: there seem to be roughly three clusters: North America's West and East coast and Europe, is that correct?
Zen (zen.arado): yeh I can walk here
Wol Euler smiles.
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes Pem, seems so

Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): the moon
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): (JK)
Pema Pera: :-)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :))
Zen (zen.arado): leaves out Aussies
Eliza Madrigal: ::;sings::: fly me to the moon... la la la

Eliza Madrigal: I imagine some of us might feel a loss if there were no more week long retreats at all
Wol Euler: heheh
Eliza Madrigal: but 4 a year is a lot :)
Wol Euler: yes, eliza, true. I'd like to suggest that we somehow keep one week-long per year
Wol Euler: *at least

Pema Pera: where would be a good place, and when, for the long retreat we are longing for?
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): the moon
Pema Pera: (Jupiter or Mars?)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bit far to walk tho
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): is there a place that is cost effective?
Riddle Sideways erases all the silly places was about to write
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): hehe, riddle
Eliza Madrigal: aww
Pema Pera: :)
Santoshima: Windhorse farm, NS / or SeatoSky retreat centre near Whistler bc / or ___

Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Atlantis, if it existed...
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :))

Eliza Madrigal: It would seem nice to alternate, have perhaps 2 spots? one in Europe and one in US?
Wol Euler nods.
Santoshima: canada?
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): nods
Pema Pera: where in Europe would work best?
Eliza Madrigal: Yes Canada.... should have said NA
Santoshima: see suggestion above
Wol Euler: Europe is tiny by american standards, almost anywhere central is equally accessible
Santoshima: for canada

Wol Euler: for people coming from the US, there is a difference between say Lisbon and Frankfurt (involves changing planes) but the difference between Paris and Vienna is probably only 40 extra minutes flight time
Zen (zen.arado): places with good transportconnections
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: The once a year retreats would likely be larger than they have been
Zen (zen.arado): direct flights would be best tho?
Riddle Sideways: sounds like twice a year. one on different continuent
Wol Euler: ideally, yes, very near to a major airport
Eliza Madrigal: where possible for sure Zen!
Zen (zen.arado): so capitals like London ?
Riddle Sideways: Big Sur is not near an airport
Santoshima: or near enough to an airport so long as ground transportation is good
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Good music tho
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): great drive, riddle
Eliza Madrigal: Or, maybe we take it year by year... or two years at a time
Pema Pera: Wol's retreat a year ago was convenient, near Frankfurt airport
Wol Euler nods.

Maxine Walden: One place that may be cost effective, tho not center of the world, is near Seattle. The Vashon lighthouse
Wol Euler: it would be easy enough to arrange ground transport from Frankfurt
Wol Euler: an hour by bus, no more
Riddle Sideways: :) @ Maxine
Pema Pera: Yes, Seattle too has good international connections
Santoshima: Vancouver
Santoshima: too
Wol Euler: there are surely places like Vachon and Rinhof near every major airport
Wol Euler: for certain values of "near"

Eliza Madrigal: Vashon seemed wonderful... wonder about limitations on numbers there though, if the retreat had been twice te size?
Pema Pera: yes, same, Santo
Maxine Walden: ah, yes, we could not really accomodate more than 9 (legally) at the lighthouse
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aphrodite :)
Riddle Sideways: ouch, Hi Aph

Wol Euler: I'd like to suggest that if the groups are likely to be larger, then we should consider out-of-town retreat centres with catering provided
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Aph
Santoshima: yes
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello bear girl :)
Pema Pera: whereas Wol's retreat center can easily accomodate larger groups
Santoshima: how many people?
Aphrodite Macbain: sorry Riddle. Hi evryone. Sorry I'm ate
Wol Euler: otherwise the day-by-day coordination might weaken the atmosphere
Santoshima: are we talking about?
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Aph:)
Santoshima: ho many people are we talking about?
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Xirana
Santoshima: how
Eliza Madrigal: The first PaB RL retreat was around 12 or 14?
Santoshima: ok
Pema Pera: 12
Santoshima: ty
Pema Pera: then 10 in Malta
Pema Pera: then typically 6 or so
Pema Pera: but that was with 4 x per year
Aphrodite Macbain: 6 at Vashon

Santoshima: maybe we could compile a list of potential retrat centres that someone here is familiar with, and then chose from that list
Pema Pera: so 1x per year probably more like 10 or more
Santoshima: it could include information
Santoshima: abut each
Pema Pera: good idea, Santo!
Eliza Madrigal: yes, both
Wol Euler nods.
Santoshima: i'd be happy to help in that effort
Pema Pera: great, thank you!
Maxine Walden: great, San!
Wol Euler: you have to walk into that half of the room to sit there, aph :)
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful Santoshima, appreciated
Wol Euler smiles.

Santoshima: what is the timeline?
Eliza Madrigal: Summer 2012 as the next target? what do we all think?
Wol Euler nods.
Santoshima: so good to decide location soon so that people can plan
Eliza Madrigal nods
Aphrodite Macbain: would it beon another continent next time?
Wol Euler: kyoto in late October/early November 2013? :)
Eliza Madrigal: @@
Riddle Sideways: :)
Wol Euler: (autumn colours!)
Pema Pera: (^_^)

Eliza Madrigal: There had been some discussion of Ireland before as well...
Eliza Madrigal: thoughts, Zen?
Zen (zen.arado): would be nice for me anyway :)
Zen (zen.arado): your mic is open Santo
Riddle Sideways: San, you mic is on
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Owwwwwwwwwwww
Aphrodite Macbain: ah- wondered what that was
Aggers (agatha.macbeth) turns down the speakers
Maxine Walden: :)
Eliza Madrigal: not sure of the accomodations or details in planning re Ireland but good to have on the list :)
Zen (zen.arado): I can give details of retreat centre
Santoshima whispers: i will need to leave this meeting soon, eliza or someone, can you let me know the balance of conversation?
Eliza Madrigal: OK, great
Wol Euler: sure

Eliza Madrigal: And sure Santoshima... also, we'll post it pretty quickly on the wiki :)
Riddle Sideways: each of us could contribute to a master list of availables near each
Wol Euler: bye santo, take care
Zen (zen.arado): http://www.drumalis.co.uk/
Eliza Madrigal: Nice idea Riddle
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Liz is Ms Quick :)
Santoshima: an if you would like me to gther the retreat information, how that could be sent to me? otherwise, i'll await some indication.
Aphrodite Macbain: Love to go to Ireland
Santoshima: i will need to leave this meeting soon .... and thenm the rest above
Maxine Walden: mic open again...
Eliza Madrigal: :))))
Riddle Sideways: :))
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Santoshima: drat
Aphrodite Macbain: san :-)
Santoshima: sorry
Pema Pera: the sound of the surf on the light house?
Santoshima: the surf of the comupter buzz
Maxine Walden: yes, Pema, the surf at the lighthouse
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: muted voices of sailors :)
Aphrodite Macbain: and the cry of the gulls
Eliza Madrigal: Maybe it would be a good WG topic....
Aphrodite Macbain: sound?
Pema Pera: gulls?
Eliza Madrigal: and Santoshima you might attend one of those meetings... re compiling the retreat list?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): topic?
Maxine Walden: sailors?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): :D
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Eliza Madrigal plays straight man
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello sailor
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Maxine Walden: the sailor and the straight man....I can see it now
Zen (zen.arado): :)
Santoshima: bye for now, apology for the mic
Maxine Walden: straight
Eliza Madrigal: No worries at all Santo, thanks
Aphrodite Macbain: by san
Zen (zen.arado): bye Santo
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye San:)
Pema Pera: bye Santo, thanks again!
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye

Eliza Madrigal: So I wonder if with these sessions, it would be good to come back to this topic, of the once-a-year retreat, in a few weeks... and move on to 1. SL retreats, and 2. smaller gatherings
Eliza Madrigal: that will give time for a list to develop
Wol Euler nods.

Zen (zen.arado): thinking Spain would be nice
Zen (zen.arado): and good weather :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Olé
Maxine Walden: :)
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): :)
Riddle Sideways: New Zealand
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Plenty of sheep
Aphrodite Macbain: we can visit Xirana
Wol Euler: Fargo, North Dakota, in mid-winter!
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :))
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Maxine Walden: :))
Riddle Sideways: ouch
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): where I ive there's silence all day:)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Alaska in February
Riddle Sideways: the moon is quiet too
Aphrodite Macbain: and it looks beautiful
Aggers (agatha.macbeth) wonders how Moon is these days
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes! :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) It is lovely that everyone is so enthusiastic to see each other
Zen (zen.arado): graviyt is less too..always a bonus
Wol Euler: he still holds meditations in Hikari in SL afternoons
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Ah, nice :)
druth Vlodovic is Online
Aphrodite Macbain: he's still leading meditations Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Welcome back Druth
Aphrodite Macbain: snap
Zen (zen.arado): wb Druth
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): wb druth
Riddle Sideways: wb
Eliza Madrigal: yes I know that about Moon :) flute meditations :)
Wol Euler: hello druth
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Amid flowers no doubt :)
Aphrodite Macbain waves at druth
Eliza Madrigal: :) falling blossoms
Aggers (agatha.macbeth) loves Moon's gardens
druth Vlodovic: hi again :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): weebies Druth

Eliza Madrigal: So how many of us can contribute to Santoshima's list of retreat centers as possible destinations?
Wol Euler: I can put up Rinhof
Wol Euler: and could research others near FRA
Eliza Madrigal: Miami, I'm afraid, is just too darn expensive... have been on the look-out for a few years and haven't found a good seasonal option
Aphrodite Macbain: would anyone be interested in the Canadian Rockies?
Wol Euler: sure :)
Riddle Sideways: Eliza, how about the Keys
Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo) is Offline
Wol Euler: calgary is international, lots of flights in and out
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Susan
Maxine Walden: bye Susan
Wol Euler: bye susan
Eliza Madrigal: sounds nice, while also considering the travel
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Susan :)
Riddle Sideways: bye susan
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye bye Susan
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Could Disney not find some space Liz?
Zen (zen.arado): bye Susan
Pema Pera: sure, Calgary would be great in the summer!
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye
Eliza Madrigal: Keys would be nice Riddle, although rugged with a large group perhaps... also driving....
Aphrodite Macbain: there are little lodges in the mountains
Eliza Madrigal: seperate plane to get to Key West or long drive
Riddle Sideways: Largo
Zen (zen.arado): Orlando has good connections I would think
Zen (zen.arado): couls go and see mouse too :)
Maxine Walden: :)
Zen (zen.arado): maybe not
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways thinks of meditation upon the Epicot globe :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): With Donald :p
Maxine Walden: Duck or Trump?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Both?
Eliza Madrigal: they both have too large a presence in Florida, hehe
Maxine Walden: :))
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! all
Wol Euler: hard to tell the difference ...
Wol Euler: bye aph, take care
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Aphrodite :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Drop the i Don...
Maxine Walden: bye, aph
Zen (zen.arado): bye Aph
Riddle Sideways: bye aph
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye aph
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye Aph:)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I also go now...see you soon:)
Eliza Madrigal: I'll look at Largo Riddle, hadn't thought of it as a good option but perhaps....
Zen (zen.arado): bye Xirana
Riddle Sideways: bye Xir
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Xirana :))
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi) is Offline
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Adios xira, paint well
Wol Euler: bye xir

druth Vlodovic: what makes a good retreat location?
Wol Euler: quiet :)
Eliza Madrigal: great question
Wol Euler: self-contained, but with plenty of room to walk around outside
Adams Rubble: people?
Zen (zen.arado): that place in Ireland is eerily quiet
Eliza Madrigal: yes, and good food options
Riddle Sideways: nature
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Stormont?
Zen (zen.arado): no it's noisy :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Ha
Aggers (agatha.macbeth) pictures Ian Paisley at a retreat
Zen (zen.arado) can't
Maxine Walden: :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): :D

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Visitor... we're at the tail end of a meeting of guardians for Play as Being... will give you a note about the group
Wol Euler: doing that already
Wol Euler: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Wol :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Wol's on the ball (as always)
Maxine Walden: yes, she always is! Thanks, Wol
Riddle Sideways: Sundance
Visitor: the grop is good
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Kid?
Visitor: group
Zen (zen.arado): beter go
Visitor: alguem me passa roupa
Zen (zen.arado): bye all
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Zen, bye
Riddle Sideways: by zen
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye Zen, tc
Wol Euler: bye zen
Visitor: you are gens
Visitor: you my gens
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Visitor, feel free to join us at the pavilion at 1PM :))
Visitor: ok
Visitor: thanks
Visitor: i am brazil from
Eliza Madrigal: Nice :)
Visitor: what now?
Maxine Walden: I have to go...see you all soon
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Maxine, thanks
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Take care Max
Wol Euler: bye maxine, take care
Wol's translator: maxine bye, ciao
Riddle Sideways: buy Maxine
Wol Euler: Visitor, this is a private meeting of the management of a group
Wol's translator: Visitor, esta é uma reunião privada da gestão de um grupo
Wol Euler: it is not public
Wol's translator: não é pública
Eliza Madrigal: Now we are closing a kind of 'working' meeting... but the other sessions every 6 hrs are very open
druth Vlodovic: just wander about and explore
Adams Rubble: bye everyone :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) Bye Adams
Wol Euler: the notecard I gave you tells about the group
Wol's translator: o notecard eu te dei fala sobre o grupo
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye Adams
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye everyone
Wol Euler: we meet at 1pm in the other place, please join us there
Wol's translator: Nós nos encontramos em 1:00 no outro lugar, por favor juntar a nós não
druth Vlodovic: you'll find something you like, I'm sure Visitor
Riddle Sideways: bye all
Wol Euler: bye adams
Wol's translator: bye adams
Riddle Sideways: tc
Eliza Madrigal: Bye RIddle, everyone...
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye for now
Wol Euler: bye pema, eliza, riddle, druth ...
Wol's translator: bye pema, eliza, enigma, druth ...
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks very much!
Wol Euler: enjoy the weekend
Wol's translator: aproveitar o fim de semana
Pema Pera: bye for now, glad we had such a productive discussion!
Aggers (agatha.macbeth) grins
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Sayonara Pem
Pema Pera: bye Aggers :)
Pema Pera: mata nee
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): ariagto :)
Pema Pera: iie
druth Vlodovic: bye all
Eliza Madrigal waves happily