2011.10.13 07:00 - Framing and shaming

The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind.

Detritus.

Storm Nordwind: Good morning Susan :)
iwandertoo Resident: hi storm :)
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: now, who dared to remove my precious twitbox?!
Storm Nordwind: Good morning Boxy
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Alfred Kelberry: be, nice to see you
Storm Nordwind: Twas I - clearing up the accumulated detritus in the pavilion - of which that box was just one thing :)
Alfred Kelberry: a fellow guest from science circle
Storm Nordwind: Hi Be
Be Ewing: Boxy and All -- Good to see you too :)
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Alfred Kelberry: detritus is a ncie word
Storm Nordwind: :)
Alfred Kelberry: have you spotted a few items from aph?
Alfred Kelberry: a wooden brick and... a table
Storm Nordwind: Yes. And they're returned too. :)
Alfred Kelberry: ok :)
Alfred Kelberry: i wonder how did the brick end up in the air behind the bushes
Alfred Kelberry: ah, grass
Alfred Kelberry: much better
Be Ewing: perhaps came in from another region?
Storm Nordwind likes the grass :)
Alfred Kelberry: no, it was here, be
Be Ewing: ah

A new chair for Boxy.

Alfred Kelberry: *shows off his new chair*
Be Ewing: well ... as usual ... strange things have been happening :)
Be Ewing: cute chair :)
Storm Nordwind: We have a bunch of playful and experimenting avatars here... who sometimes forget to clear up after themselves ;-)
Be Ewing: I am still typing -- I may be getting ready to crash again
Be Ewing: nope -- that cleared it
Alfred Kelberry: i think it's a case of sloppy prim handling :)
Alfred Kelberry: well, storm
Storm Nordwind is always ready to crash. It's part of being alive! ;-)

Copyright in virtual worlds.

Alfred Kelberry: share a piece of your wisdom this morning
Be Ewing: :)
Alfred Kelberry: ah, on the crash, i have something...
Storm Nordwind: Wisdom... hmmm... I've heard of that concept... is that the thing I steal from other people? ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: http://up.keep.se/fail.jpg
Alfred Kelberry: storm, very well may be :)
Be Ewing: so very true often for me:)
Storm Nordwind: Some people call it plagiarism. I call it ecological recycling of ideas. ;-)
Be Ewing: :)
Alfred Kelberry: how about copyrights?
Be Ewing: conservation of energy also:)
Storm Nordwind: Ah well... as far as wisdom is concerned, it never diminishes when stolen, borrowed or shared.
Alfred Kelberry: *i am boxy and i copyright this message*
Be Ewing: well how does one go about proving copyright in multiple virtual reality worlds???? ... regions/worlds that disappear?
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Storm Nordwind: Good point Be. Not sure. I expect it's a transmission medium like any other. Once it's out there I expect you have copyright. Though owning copyright and enforcing copyright are two different things.
Storm Nordwind: I've noticed there is a lot of copyright theft in SL, sadly
Alfred Kelberry: there's also a notion of the matrix (e.g. linden labs) who very well may hold all the rights to themselves

What is history?

Be Ewing: history can be almost non-existent these days
Be Ewing: has history always been non-existent??? ... Be pondering to self out loud over here ;)
Alfred Kelberry: xira cruz! :)
Be Ewing: Hi xira :)
Storm Nordwind: Is not history simply part of "what is"?
Alfred Kelberry: shiny girl :)
Be Ewing: Storm -- I believe so
Storm Nordwind: Hi Xir!
Xirana Oximoxi: hello boxy!! :)
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
Be Ewing: and if "is" is "now"?
Be Ewing: anyhow one of my ponderings for the week:)
Xirana Oximoxi: Hi Storm , Be , Susan :)
iwandertoo Resident: waves

Rhyme and rime.

Alfred Kelberry: um... let me quote my own little poem on occasion...
Storm Nordwind listens
Alfred Kelberry: xira cruz, a little muse cuteness that you can't refuse
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Be Ewing: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: go on..boxy poet boy :)))
Alfred Kelberry: that's it. one couplet. sorry :)
Be Ewing: ;)
Be Ewing: my avatar is typing and I wasn't
Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh lol... you're really a skilled poet, that has rime too:))
Alfred Kelberry: be, don't worry about it
Be Ewing: I am not -- it was just a reported observation
Storm Nordwind: Rhyme and possibly rime too ;-)
--BELL--
Xirana Oximoxi: ui..now I need the dictionnary :))
Alfred Kelberry: rhyme is how poems are written, otherwise they're proses
Be Ewing: Origins of 90 second break of silence here?
Alfred Kelberry: storm, interesting. rime is also an archaic spelling of rhyme.
Storm Nordwind: Lost in the mists of history Be... but an extension of the 9 second breaks every 15 minutes that are the original Play as Being technique
Be Ewing: I caught it today because I have headset on
Alfred Kelberry: actually, i thought maybe we should introduce randomness into the length of the pause?
Storm Nordwind reaches for his Skeat...
Alfred Kelberry: oh, what was that :)
Be Ewing: but most times I don't -- and when I enter text often I am looking elsewhere
Xirana Oximoxi: omg...so sorry
Be Ewing: Skeet shotgun?
Storm Nordwind: Walter W. Skeat (rev)
Xirana Oximoxi: no ..here the link to you're muse http://bellezaymoda.univision.com/mo...-charles-vogel
Storm Nordwind: Interesting - rhyme was always spelt rime in Middle English, and always so before 1550.
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Alfred Kelberry: storm, so american :)
Be Ewing: what words in other languages than English sound like rime/rhyme?
Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh, then I was not do wrong:)) just a little old English fashioned
Be Ewing: and what do they mean?
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Xir, Boxy, Storm, Susan, Be :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Sam:)
Alfred Kelberry: sam! :)
Be Ewing: Hi Sam:)
Storm Nordwind: Rime is also hard ice, Xir, formed by freezing fog. :)
Be Ewing: All -- when and if you see me typing visually -- just ignore please

A new notecard.

Alfred Kelberry: sam, let me clap and praise you for the outstanding job with the pab notecard! beautifuly done!
Storm Nordwind waves to Samúð
Be Ewing: Bruce -- Greetings :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Bruce:)
Bruce Mowbray: Good day, everyone.
Storm Nordwind has changed the notecard in the three info points he has access too, but not in Cal's box
Alfred Kelberry: i wish i knew each word's definition. i love how they sound in dictionaries.
Alfred Kelberry: thank you, storm!

More on rime.

Alfred Kelberry: rime - frost formed on cold objects by the rapid freezing of water vapor in cloud or fog
Alfred Kelberry: oh, bruce! :)
Alfred Kelberry: hi
Storm Nordwind: Morning Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Alfred Kelberry: synonym - hoarfrost
Alfred Kelberry: neat
Bruce Mowbray listens to catch the conversation topic.
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Bruce!
Be Ewing: rime
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, 0 and everyone.
Alfred Kelberry: oh, it's... etymology of the word rime, bruce
oO0Oo Resident: Thank you Boxy RE: Notecard (sorry chat lag)
Storm Nordwind believes that rime and hoar frost are distinct
Bruce Mowbray: ok -- thanks.
Alfred Kelberry: *hugs sam* :)
Xirana Oximoxi: I've made a mistake and said 'rime instead of 'rhyme', Bruce...
oO0Oo Resident: (((Boxy)))
oO0Oo Resident: Bye Susan
Bruce Mowbray: bye, Susan.
Alfred Kelberry: actualy, you haven't as storm pointed out. in middle english it's perfectally valid :)
Be Ewing: and I'm just wondering what words in other languages than English sound similar to rime
Storm Nordwind: And which is linked to Be's concern that "history is disappearing" (sorry if I paraphrase that wrong Be)
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, but what is important is that when I say it people understand, and if it's no more used they don't :)
Be Ewing: and what those words might mean in those languages
Be Ewing: Storm -- close -- actually I'm wondering if it even exists to be precise :)

Spelling and meaning.

Storm Nordwind spells things wrong all the time in his adopted home :)
Be Ewing: especially in context of virtual worlds
Alfred Kelberry: storm, like saying colour instead of proper color? :)
Storm Nordwind: Indeed Boxy... and I reserve the word "football" for a game where feet are actually involved! ;-))
Alfred Kelberry: ha!
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Alfred Kelberry: that one is hard
--BELL--
Xirana Oximoxi: think in virtual context and just typing is very easy to have misunderstandings... but that's why, always as to clarify:)
Xirana Oximoxi: sorry
Bruce Mowbray: American rules for doubling final consonants are also different: counsellor vs counselor, traveller vs traveler, etc.
Be Ewing: also regions appear and disappear
oO0Oo Resident: so true Xirana, and to put in the effort to clarify is admirable
Be Ewing: and many world in virtual reality exist simultaneously
Be Ewing: and not many have acces to each
Storm Nordwind: It's interesting... as long as the meaning gets across clearly, the spelling is hardly important. Sometimes that's the reverse of "art", where you're not trying to get meaning across but rather to allow the viewer/reader/etc to find their own meanings
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, i prefer less typing, hence american version :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: "meaning gets across clearly" - that's a big leap :)
Be Ewing: and then we have all the symbolic languages with all kinds of interpretation that I do not even know how to have my computer make symbols:)
Be Ewing: yet we all communicate
Bruce Mowbray: Well, it was actually a nationalistic attempt on the part of Noah Webster to separate American English from the King's English., . . .
Bruce Mowbray: so, he wrote a dictionary with all the "proper" American spellings.

Different ways of thinking.

Storm Nordwind: And some people think in words. I wonder if they care about the spelling when they do... ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, i didn't know that, bruce. thank you.
Alfred Kelberry: optimized it, i'd say
Be Ewing: Storm -- I personally have found my friends who mainly think in words can't spell properly
Be Ewing: at least this is true in First Life
Storm Nordwind: haha! interesting Be
Be Ewing: they do not see the spelling as a picture in their minds
Be Ewing: especially true of analyticals and engineers that are such
Bruce Mowbray suspects that he thinks in "frames" more than in words.
Alfred Kelberry: thinking in words is grossly inefficient
Be Ewing: this is just personal observation only
Storm Nordwind was an engineer who did not think in words... nor rationally ... nor linearly!
Xirana Oximoxi: anyway, apart from political intentions, probably the 2 English have a different evolution ..the are very far and substrate were different
Be Ewing: Storm -- what kind of visual engineer?
Xirana Oximoxi: how did you think Storm?
Storm Nordwind was a software engineer for several decades
Be Ewing: ah
Alfred Kelberry: do you really have to emphasize that, storm? :)
Storm Nordwind: I think irrationally, non-linearly, not verbally.
Be Ewing: ture -- software engineering is visual for most part
Storm Nordwind: Sorry Boxy - forgetting you may be jealous ;)
Alfred Kelberry: *bites his paws* :)
Be Ewing: I was thinking more of mechanical type engineers
Be Ewing: they tend not to think in pictures
Storm Nordwind: Now that's surprising

"Silence is a healing cave"

Bruce Mowbray: This is also visual, for me, anyway --- Yesterday's 99-Days entry from Eden:from
Alfred Kelberry: each one is different, be
Be Ewing: they can only see things when they have illustration
Bruce Mowbray: ::: When it's beyond words ::: Silence is a healing cave ::: _/!\_
Be Ewing: ;)
Be Ewing: boxy -- true
Storm Nordwind: You'd think they would, and you would think software engineers - writing so much code - wouldn't
Be Ewing: many people have many different ways of thinking
Be Ewing: I was just going back to when I first introduced to misspelling:)
Storm Nordwind: Hi there Arch!
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Arch!
Be Ewing: excuse me if any of my comments sounded stereotypical
Xirana Oximoxi: chinese writing is not writen in single 'words'
Alfred Kelberry: archy :)
Be Ewing: Arch - Hi:)
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Arch!
oO0Oo Resident: Arch :)
Archmage Atlantis: Namaste
Be Ewing: Namaste
Archmage Atlantis: I have an answer to one who measures repsonse time in in monts
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Xirana Oximoxi: / me too :)
Alfred Kelberry: customer support?
Be Ewing: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Bruce. that is the answer
Bruce Mowbray: lag is a drag.
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Be Ewing: often people who interface with customers do not have the knowledge to properly respond to individuals
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi, Be :), Hi Storm, Boxy, Arch, Bruce, oO0Oo, Xirana
Be Ewing: they just read scripts often
Alfred Kelberry: eliza! the greek goddess :)
Be Ewing: Hi Eliza :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Eliza:)
Storm Nordwind: Hi Eliza
oO0Oo Resident: Eliza !
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Alfred Kelberry: be, if they did, they would work some place else :)
Be Ewing: About the only thing that works still is to let people know you are contacting their Chief Executive Offie -- and even that has almost become impossible
Alfred Kelberry: but that's another stereotype here :)
Be Ewing: boxy -- if they could get a job elsewhere
Bruce Mowbray: There is also the matter of "high-level" and "low-level" perception/framing of a problem.
Archmage Atlantis: In some book, there are words.......I am the alpha and th omega, tne beginniing and the end
Be Ewing: true
--BELL--

The cause of headaches.

Bruce Mowbray: If you have a headache, is that neurons or stressful thoughts?
Archmage Atlantis: I chose to be in the mushy middle.
Be Ewing: might be neutrinos just innocently passing through your brain :)
Alfred Kelberry: *feels how eliza's arrival lits up the faces around* :)
Be Ewing: shades of "The King and I" pass through my mind
Eliza Madrigal: puppies are so sweet
Alfred Kelberry: :)
oO0Oo Resident gets out a neutrino speed detector (feels how boxy's light-up, lights up as well)
Alfred Kelberry: heh

Atonement.

Be Ewing: uh oh -- I am in violation of siilence code one more time:)
oO0Oo Resident writes a summons
Eliza Madrigal: very forgiving bell... dear friend
oO0Oo Resident: ;)
Alfred Kelberry: yes, you will have to atone for this shameful sin
Be Ewing: apologies to any I may have accidentally offended without intent at all
Storm Nordwind: There is no pillory here. (Yet)
oO0Oo Resident: by appearing here again and again
Alfred Kelberry: "_
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Framing and shaming.

Bruce Mowbray: we usually "frame" things in terms of some experienced change -- and neutrinos don't make a a change (not that we can perceive, anyway) so we don't frame stuff at that level.
Storm Nordwind: Good morning Santo!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Santo :)
Alfred Kelberry: storm, i can build a box of shame :)
Eliza Madrigal: "bell jail"
Be Ewing: :)
Storm Nordwind: I thought all your boxes were... oh wait... ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, San.
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Be Ewing: Bruce - please clarify
Santoshima Resident: hey bruce ~ hello everyone
Xirana Oximoxi: hi San :)
Be Ewing: Santo -- Hi :)
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Santos
Alfred Kelberry: san :)
Bruce Mowbray: clarify what, Be?
Be Ewing: "frame" -- what you mean by that?
Bruce Mowbray: Oh, thanks.
Bruce Mowbray: Well, a frame is a mental context for viewing any situation or event.

Loaded words.

Bruce Mowbray: I can frame your thinking by using "loaded" words, for example.
Be Ewing: like a snapshot with emotions?
Bruce Mowbray: could be, yes.
Be Ewing: "loaded" words -- trigger point words?
oO0Oo Resident: brb (washroom)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Like, when the protestors in New York and throughout America are called "a mob," that frames some people's viewpoint of their motication.
Bruce Mowbray: It is very common in politics - - - but is it ethical?
Be Ewing: true
Storm Nordwind: But those words always say more about the person saying them than about what they are talking about.
Be Ewing: Bruce -- political psychologists/advertisers -- have been doing that for years -- perhaps centuries?
Bruce Mowbray: I could say, Have you stopped beating your wife yet? - - - and that's a loaded question.

Manipulation.

Storm Nordwind: The practice persists because there are always people who are not willing or not able to process the words independently.
Alfred Kelberry: bruce :)
Be Ewing: also different words appeal to different personality types independent of context?
Be Ewing: this often is used in advertising
Bruce Mowbray: yes, Storm -- and the frame itself becomes the mental context --- This can become highly manipulative.
Storm Nordwind: personality type could be seen as part of context :)
Be Ewing: true Storm
Santoshima Resident: as could profit
Be Ewing: I was thinking more in terms of communication preferences tied to personality quadrants
Alfred Kelberry: these days facebook has all the contexts it needs to spoonfeed ads for you
oO0Oo Resident: back
Xirana Oximoxi: wb Sam :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Be Ewing: I wonder to what extent people realize they are being manipulated?
Be Ewing: Any research studies on this?
Alfred Kelberry: riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: ers hi all
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Riddle:)
Eliza Madrigal enjoys the ridiculous pointers on the sides of gmail that pick a word and give more links
Be Ewing: Riddle -- hi:)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :)
Bruce Mowbray: hey, riddle.
Eliza Madrigal: I think it is getting too ridiculous to believe anymore
Eliza Madrigal: safer :)
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Riddle

Shrugging it off.

Storm Nordwind: Perhaps if one doesn't identify with the thought, but rather with the awareness to which the thought arises and passes, then attachment to the thought evaporates and the chances for manipulation are reduced.
Santoshima Resident: g'morning riddle ~
Be Ewing: Storm -- true
Storm Nordwind: Hi Riddle
Be Ewing: but there are still some natural words I respond to more than others even doing/knowing that
Bruce Mowbray: Are you suggesting that the "awareness" itself if "purer" -- or perhaps more intuitively "clear"?
Storm Nordwind: I have a biased view perhaps Bruce, yes! ;)
Be Ewing: well -- if one just observes an exprience without emotions -- it looks very different than with emotions
oO0Oo Resident: pure awareness is unbiased
Bruce Mowbray: so do I, obviously, but I am still "watching" to see where those biases come from.
Storm Nordwind: yes Sam. I jest :)
Be Ewing: Bruce -- good question
--BELL--
Be Ewing: some biases are taught
Alfred Kelberry: sam, it's like with any observer, the minute you peek, it stops being "pure"

Pure awareness; peeking and being.

Bruce Mowbray ponders "pure awareness" -- never having experienced that himself.
Storm Nordwind: So perhaps if you "be" instead of "peek". Would that make a difference in your view Boxy?
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Eliza Madrigal: being awareness
Bruce Mowbray: Isn't awareness a way of peeking?
Be Ewing: perhaps not
Storm Nordwind: Pure awareness, Bruce, is part of some Buddhist practices... which is why I jested about "bias" ;)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Susan :))
oO0Oo Resident: wb Susan
Riddle Sideways: Hi Susan
Storm Nordwind: Welcome back Susan
iwandertoo Resident: ty
Be Ewing: is there time limit here?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I am well aware of Buddhist practices that include "pure awareness" -- I'm just trying to understand where that comes from. . .
Bruce Mowbray: wb Susan.
Bruce Mowbray: no time limit -- stay all day if you wish.
oO0Oo Resident: infinite jest (the best American Novel since moby Dick)
Be Ewing: sometimes when I am most aware I am not aware at all
Alfred Kelberry: storm, "be" outside of the frame?
Eliza Madrigal: being peeking then peeking isn't something apart
Be Ewing: I am in total veg out state
Alfred Kelberry: then you're not really being
Storm Nordwind: (At some point Be, I have to post the log!)
Be Ewing: Is that what Buddhists mean by "state of awareness" ?
Bruce Mowbray: or make the "frame" infinite - - - so one becomes eveything -- "Being"
Eliza Madrigal: even 'state' breaks things up?
Storm Nordwind nods to Eliza
Be Ewing: but when I come out of that state of being most of my problems/issues are totally resolved
Eliza Madrigal: NIce... scoots closer to Be
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Be Ewing: for the record (at least to best of my knowledge) I am not a practicing Buddhist
Bruce Mowbray: awareness, as I experience it, is NOT a state - -
Be Ewing: :)
oO0Oo Resident: be a uti ful
Riddle Sideways: :)
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Xirana Oximoxi: :))
Bruce Mowbray: a "state" is more like a defined attitude -- a framed attitude
Be Ewing: just having name of Be for pas
Eliza Madrigal nods or a location
Be Ewing: for a few years is learning in and of itself
Be Ewing: and it happened "accidentally"
Xirana Oximoxi: I go now... nice day to all :)
Eliza Madrigal: How so, Be?
Alfred Kelberry: xira cruz :)
Santoshima Resident: bye xirana
Storm Nordwind waves
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Xirana :)
Be Ewing: Xirana -- take care and miles of smiles :)
Bruce Mowbray: bye, Xir!
oO0Oo Resident: Xirana :)
iwandertoo Resident: :)

A replacement for being?

Alfred Kelberry: i think in absolute terms as we discuss it now it's not very practical
Be Ewing: boxy -- what is not very practical?
Storm Nordwind echos Be's question
Alfred Kelberry: what if we replace being with non-judgment?
Be Ewing: they are similar for me
Eliza Madrigal: it takes something being separate to judge it, so nods?
Be Ewing: not sure if exactly same -- but similar for sure
Alfred Kelberry: yes, but more explicit
Storm Nordwind: Perhaps non-judgment would be a path to Being for you Boxy?
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Alfred Kelberry: it is for most of us :)

Dropping.

Storm Nordwind: Dropping judgment to see what you are? :)
Be Ewing: I just wish we did not have to feel we need to "teach" babies
Santoshima Resident: dropping what you are, to be
Bruce Mowbray: Is "path to Being" already a positive frame ? (already judged as positive for Buddhists.)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
oO0Oo Resident: I was a baby once ::giggles::
Santoshima Resident: still
oO0Oo Resident giggles
Riddle Sideways: :)
Alfred Kelberry: kids...
Alfred Kelberry: :)
iwandertoo Resident: kids rock
oO0Oo Resident: !
Storm Nordwind smiles

Manipulation vs. communication.

Be Ewing: babies naturally are great manipulators .... they get people around them to do all kinds of things for them
Santoshima Resident: is that called manipulation
Bruce Mowbray doesn't know how to use language without judgment. . . (That's another Americanized word, btw -- for Brits it is judgement.)
Santoshima Resident: or communication
Be Ewing: some call it communication
Be Ewing: some call it manipulation
Alfred Kelberry: be, only if you allow yourself to be manipulated
Be Ewing: I have been accused of gross manipulation when I have been just communicating
Santoshima Resident: were you a baby when that happened?
Be Ewing: no -- an adult
Santoshima Resident: hmm
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: ... tricked into awareness
Be Ewing: other person's perception of me
Eliza Madrigal: babies luring with big eyes pretending they need help....heheh
Santoshima Resident: "we live in the eye of those who pass by" _ferron
Bruce Mowbray: Is the phrase "path to Being-Awareness" completely neutral - - or does it have a "positive" slant to it?
Alfred Kelberry: *wants to hear more wisdom from eliza*

Snap!

Storm Nordwind: Manipulation falls even to something as simple as Hanlon's Razor
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: ... thinks of waves/particles and peekings and poofings
Be Ewing: topic is very interesting
Be Ewing: cone of slilence one more time:)
Santoshima Resident: Hanlon's Razor is an eponymous adage that reads: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Bruce Mowbray: Hanlon's Razor is an eponymous adage that reads: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Be Ewing: :)
Bruce Mowbray: snappy poo.
Eliza Madrigal: wait, say that again
oO0Oo Resident: nice
oO0Oo Resident: so to speak
Be Ewing: similar to "The Enemy is We" ?
oO0Oo Resident: ;)
Bruce Mowbray: All we need is less government and everything will automatically get better.
oO0Oo Resident appreciates Arch's dignified shoulders
Riddle Sideways: :)
Riddle Sideways: really liking how confused ya'll are making me
Bruce Mowbray: Time for the dog and me to get out there on the path. . . sun is shing brightly. . . and rain is fast approaching.
Bruce Mowbray: THANKS everyone and bye for now.
Eliza Madrigal grins at Riddle
Alfred Kelberry: *pokes riddle* :)
Storm Nordwind waves
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bruce, enjoy your walk :)
Alfred Kelberry: storm is leaving?
Alfred Kelberry: so soon?
Alfred Kelberry: aww...
Santoshima Resident: s'long, bruce
Riddle Sideways: bye bruce
oO0Oo Resident: Have a nice walk Bruce... Hi to Bruce's dog!
Eliza Madrigal: looking forward to reading the beginning of this session :)
Riddle Sideways: yes
Santoshima Resident: me too
oO0Oo Resident watches the beginnings flow by
Alfred Kelberry: the first part is less confusing :)
Be Ewing: am back -- had brief 1st Life interval
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful phrase :)
Riddle Sideways: need to go have some of those intervals
Riddle Sideways: bye all
Storm Nordwind waves
Eliza Madrigal waves to partner in confusion
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Santoshima Resident: bye riddle

Stories of ancient times.

Alfred Kelberry: storm, could you tell a story about some ancient computer? :)
oO0Oo Resident: Riddle :)
Be Ewing: Riddle and All ... Take care and miles of smiles to All :)
Santoshima Resident: ah, bye be
Eliza Madrigal: um, bye... Be
Storm Nordwind: yes i could Boxy. One day perhaps :)
oO0Oo Resident: Bye Be
oO0Oo Resident: lol Boxy
Alfred Kelberry: eh... that would be a great series of talks
Alfred Kelberry: think about it, storm
Alfred Kelberry: share knowledge and fun stories :)
oO0Oo Resident: bit by byte
Storm Nordwind suspects the audience would be fairly limited, and the effort quite large
Eliza Madrigal: tl;dr?
Alfred Kelberry: how abotu we do it otherwise? :)
Santoshima Resident: well, the effort part, storm
Alfred Kelberry: no preparation and call in all the pabers :)
Eliza Madrigal: by one's own guage :)
Santoshima Resident: what else, storm's guage, as mentioned above
Archmage Atlantis: Thr yoert og piiss eehyjisn
Storm Nordwind: perhaps it would make a great plot for a Molecule Theater play... hint, hint (looking pointedly at Boxy ;)
Santoshima Resident: :)
Alfred Kelberry: a-ha! :)
Alfred Kelberry: yes, indeed
oO0Oo Resident: "Storm Gauge" has a nice ring to it :)))
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Santoshima Resident: arch? transation?
Alfred Kelberry: google can't translate it, therefore it doesn't exist
Santoshima Resident: aint necessarily so, boxy
Eliza Madrigal: something about yogurt...?
Alfred Kelberry: san, i was refering to the "wikipedia rule". if not on wikipedia, it doesn't exist :)
Santoshima Resident: something about piiss
Santoshima Resident: that was me, boxy
Santoshima Resident: Santoshima
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Santoshima Resident: hello you
Alfred Kelberry: storm, do you like eliza's dress?
Storm Nordwind: Always! :)
Archmage Atlantis: d hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtitle: "Thunder of tbatk
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Santoshima Resident: diaphonous ...
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Chester ::waves a paw::
Eliza Madrigal: :) thank you
Eliza Madrigal: boxy makes me feel like I'm on parade
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: OK, not makes me but :)
oO0Oo Resident raises an eyebrow
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Storm, everyone
Santoshima Resident: bye eliza
Storm Nordwind: Bye Eliza!
oO0Oo Resident: Bye Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now and wishing well

Searching for a new topic.

Alfred Kelberry: *takes out a topic generator*
Storm Nordwind: hazelnuts, nougat and caramel required ;)
oO0Oo Resident: checks for urges of any kind
oO0Oo Resident: or should I say peeks
Alfred Kelberry: nom, storm :)
oO0Oo Resident: OM storm
Storm Nordwind chuckles
oO0Oo Resident: Storm guage reads "OM" today
Alfred Kelberry: ommm...
Alfred Kelberry: snsd!
Alfred Kelberry: they're awesome!
Santoshima Resident: acronym meaning, please? boxy
oO0Oo Resident: wb Be
Be Ewing: thank you :)
Be Ewing: same session?

Power of nine.

Alfred Kelberry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls%27_Generation
Alfred Kelberry: same session, new awareness :)
Santoshima Resident: we're older
Be Ewing: :)
Be Ewing: Santo -- speak for yourself -- I stay forever young:)
Santoshima Resident: boxy: So Nyuh Shi Dae? is that right?
Alfred Kelberry: i'm not that big of a fan :)
Santoshima Resident: :)
Be Ewing: first time I have heard of such group
Alfred Kelberry: but aren't they cute?! :)
Alfred Kelberry: little cookies
Be Ewing: very cute
Santoshima Resident: power girls
Storm Nordwind: The power of nine
Santoshima Resident: :)
Be Ewing: 3-squared
Alfred Kelberry: gaya should know them :)
Be Ewing: 3-cubed even more powerful? that is 27?
Be Ewing: or not?
Be Ewing: excuse me I am into almost total randome access this morning :)

More on neutrinos.

Santoshima Resident: was someone talking about neutrinos earlier?
Be Ewing: I mentioned them
Storm Nordwind: Yes... but they were just passing thru!
Santoshima Resident: ah
Be Ewing: because of Astro's talk yesterday about the Sun
oO0Oo Resident: hehe
Santoshima Resident: did you know captain neutrino died recently?
Storm Nordwind: What is a captain neutrino?
Santoshima Resident: it reminded me
Santoshima Resident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWFQAE2YYWw
Be Ewing: no -- I did not even know there was a Captain Neutrino until just now
Santoshima Resident: yes, very much so
Santoshima Resident: an american icon
Santoshima Resident: unique individual
Storm Nordwind: Ah. I'll add it to my list of things to study for citizenship ;)
oO0Oo Resident: excuse me... need to leave for a while... thank you all :))))
Santoshima Resident: :))
Be Ewing: perhaps we can channel him:)
Storm Nordwind: Bye Sam
Be Ewing: I am sure he would love this conversation here :)
oO0Oo Resident: Fuel to you all :)))
Santoshima Resident: bye sam, take care ~
Storm Nordwind: :))
Alfred Kelberry: that guy should make a song with snsd :)
Be Ewing: All -- have fun! ... I need to go elsewhere ... Enjoy and have fun!!!
Storm Nordwind: Bye Be
Santoshima Resident: house cleaning calls ~ peaceful day to everyone ~ thank you
Storm Nordwind waves

The good and bad of twitter.

Alfred Kelberry: heh, nice tweet
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: um...
Alfred Kelberry: 4870 is so old
Alfred Kelberry: some people just overdo twitter...
Alfred Kelberry: "i woke up. cool"
Alfred Kelberry: "going to pee. amazing!"
Storm Nordwind is glad the twitterbox is not a permanent feature :)
Alfred Kelberry: ah, is it that addictive? :)

twitter for poetry.

Storm Nordwind goes through phases of posting to Twitter, mostly using it for poetry
Alfred Kelberry: oh
Alfred Kelberry: little haikus
Storm Nordwind: and gogyohka
Alfred Kelberry: btw, linode is awesome. but i said that already.
Storm Nordwind: You did yes ;)
Alfred Kelberry: Gogyohka, is a form of Japanese poetry pioneered by Enta Kusakabe in 1957 in his quest to find freedom from the constraints of tanka poetry
Storm Nordwind: Correct
Alfred Kelberry: i'm now trying their london facility. blazing fast.
Alfred Kelberry: but that's of course cause my code is so efficient ;)
Alfred Kelberry: i just wish people would stop using excel
Storm Nordwind: You've removed all the Hopper Loops at last?
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Alfred Kelberry: i remember stories from the old tech support guys from the 90s. how they charged big buck for simple memory upgrade :)
Alfred Kelberry: back then it was black magic, i'd guess
Storm Nordwind: Money for old rope - always an opportunity for it in some form
Alfred Kelberry: but how cool is that to reset memory with uv light? you won't see it these days *coughs*
Storm Nordwind: Stock in trade for me 30 years ago
Storm Nordwind: Reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1994-10-11/
Archmage Atlantis: thunderofthe apocolypse, thelast stand....rgrgin ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
Archmage Atlantis: Ahnd Chestre wakes me upl.......orry bouy hyhsd
--BELL--
Storm Nordwind smiles at Chester
Alfred Kelberry: trends :)
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, oxy
Archmage Atlantis: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Can't lame my own typing on Chess
Archmage Atlantis: It is so odd how the animals of this planet
Archmage Atlantis: "speak"
Archmage Atlantis: to/with me
Storm Nordwind: A two-way conversation for mutual benefit?
Archmage Atlantis: They live a life we would finde brutal.....and yes
Archmage Atlantis: pologize, hoding Chess close
Storm Nordwind: That sounds nice :)
Archmage Atlantis: it is nrither of Thunder

A final tweet.

Alfred Kelberry: tweet!
Alfred Kelberry: "calculating darkness"
Alfred Kelberry: what metaphors do you get?
Alfred Kelberry: i think of dark matter
Storm Nordwind: If "caculating" verb or adjective? If verb, is "darkness" subject or object?
Archmage Atlantis: Bringing light......nothing of time and space can the drk
Storm Nordwind: And does dark matter? :)
Alfred Kelberry: storm, drop judgment :)
Storm Nordwind: Sploosh!
Alfred Kelberry: how does it feel?
Archmage Atlantis: It may be absent, it may apear dard
Storm Nordwind remembers not to sit too close to the pool in future when dropping things in it
--BELL--

A parting song.

Archmage Atlantis: To me Dark means\
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Notwith hope of life
Archmage Atlantis: Even Satan hopes for life
Archmage Atlantis: Was an angel after all
Storm Nordwind hums "Up there" from the South Park movie :)
Alfred Kelberry: hmm
Alfred Kelberry: don't know this one
Storm Nordwind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X13Kb_DktHg
Alfred Kelberry: wait, you watch south park?!
Alfred Kelberry: such a contradictory character :)
Alfred Kelberry: ah, that one
Archmage Atlantis: There is an new cartoon series coming soon from the lineage the "South Par
Alfred Kelberry: now how did you come to this clip? :)
Storm Nordwind: Google is my friend
Alfred Kelberry: i mean, did you start with it?
Alfred Kelberry: or hopped through
Storm Nordwind: I saw the movie years ago
Storm Nordwind: Would you please excuse me. I have a set of slides to prepare for the theme session this Sunday at 1pm SLT
Archmage Atlantis: The ARchAngel Michael cast his brother Lucifer into the pit, the older brother, Michael thought he was seving Gods's will......thus we were created with choices....commonly know as free will
Storm Nordwind: Namaste
Archmage Atlantis: The thing aboutht freewill
Archmage Atlantis: Is that one cannot know the outcome
Archmage Atlantis: I too must gp
--BELL--
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi U@
Aphrodite Macbain: U2
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: bye folks :)