The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.  I claimed the log due to Sylectra's  late arrival and was to lazy to give it to her to post.

Alfred Kelberry, Sylectra Darwin, Alfred Kelberry, Paradise Tennant, Archmage Atlantis, Bleu Oleander and oO0Oo Resident joined the session

Alfred Kelberry: aph!
Alfred Kelberry: why are you sitting in the water?
Aphrodite Macbain: hgey boxy!
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
Aphrodite Macbain: oh dea
Aphrodite Macbain: oh dear
Alfred Kelberry: this is your upcoming session?
Aphrodite Macbain: How are you Mr Bxy?
Alfred Kelberry: um... i'm good. mostly :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Nope. I'm away and with my family in Ottawa
Alfred Kelberry: neat
Alfred Kelberry: say hi to them :)
Alfred Kelberry: from a robopup
Aphrodite Macbain: Reception is terrible and th lag is a drag
Alfred Kelberry: aww
Alfred Kelberry: they have a bad internet connection?
Aphrodite Macbain: either that or my computer
Aphrodite Macbain: is sick
Alfred Kelberry: you're still in the pond :)
Alfred Kelberry: ah, that's better
Alfred Kelberry: how's ottawa in the fall?
Aphrodite Macbain: oops how's that?
Aphrodite Macbain: cold
Aphrodite Macbain: sunny,
Aphrodite Macbain: leafy
Aphrodite Macbain: tomorrow is my birthday!!
Alfred Kelberry: still early for the river skating cold :)
Alfred Kelberry: omg!
Alfred Kelberry: so many octoberians in the pab :)
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Alfred Kelberry: congrats you! aph the enabling girl :)

--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: enabling
Aphrodite Macbain: me?
Alfred Kelberry: a fairy
Alfred Kelberry: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: what do I enable?
Alfred Kelberry: making things happen
Aphrodite Macbain: U2
Alfred Kelberry: bono
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Fellow WG person
Alfred Kelberry: hi mat
Matsubaa Antwerp: Hi
Alfred Kelberry: take a seat
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Mat
Alfred Kelberry: relax
Alfred Kelberry: what's brought you here?
Aphrodite Macbain: have you been here before?
Alfred Kelberry: serendipity?
Alfred Kelberry: fate?
Matsubaa Antwerp: Wandering about, saw a blip on radar and checking it out.
Alfred Kelberry: random chance?
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Alfred Kelberry: the latter then :)
Alfred Kelberry: or all 3
Alfred Kelberry: well, we're a discussion group of sorts
Alfred Kelberry: gather up and talk on matters of life and being
Alfred Kelberry: anything you'd like to talk about?
Matsubaa Antwerp: Not off the top of my head. Just kind of checking things out, been away for years.
Alfred Kelberry: heh, what made you come back?
Matsubaa Antwerp: Curiosity more than anything. Nothing else going on tonight and remembered I could come here.
Alfred Kelberry: aph, your mike is on
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Aphrodite Macbain: sorry
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: mat, fair enough
Alfred Kelberry: how do you find sl after the break?
Aphrodite Macbain: Mat - do you know you are being recorded?
Alfred Kelberry: ah, yes. the chat is being posted online on our wiki.
Matsubaa Antwerp: I was noticing the information displayed on the fountain, I imagined as much.
Aphrodite Macbain: we publish our conversations on a wiki
Aphrodite Macbain: Is that OK if we record you?
Matsubaa Antwerp: I'm good with it, no worries.
Matsubaa Antwerp: It's a clever mechanism. The only thing I ever managed to build myself was a glowing transparent cube that I somehow welded to my own hand and gave up.
Alfred Kelberry: btw, aph, it was nice to hear you just the tiny bit :)
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Matsubaa Antwerp: I don't even remember how I got it off but the temptation to build stuff waned somewhat after that.
Alfred Kelberry: mat, boxes is all i build too :)
Aphrodite Macbain: wwhat happened to it Mat?
Alfred Kelberry: how long have you been away and how do you find sl now? changed a lot?
Matsubaa Antwerp: Not sure how I managed to get rid of the attachment.
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: "detach"
Matsubaa Antwerp: Not much changed really. The client is a little lighter, shorter download, but that's it.
Aphrodite Macbain: lighterand shorter?
Alfred Kelberry: same people? not crazier than before? :)
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
Matsubaa Antwerp: Culturally, I think it's less of a red light district of the internet. I've been on almost 20 minutes and haven't been propositioned nor seen any fully animated genitals on display.
Alfred Kelberry: oh bummer :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi paradise
Matsubaa Antwerp: Although very funny, it was hard to take SL seriously with that everywhere all the time.
Alfred Kelberry: sl is losing its class :)
Aphrodite Macbain giggles
Alfred Kelberry: para! the french girl is baaaack! :)
Matsubaa Antwerp: Seemingly any time 4 people were in a room together, 3 of them were naked and one of them was on a leash.

I arrive, pick up log while waiting for sylectra

Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Stevenia
Alfred Kelberry: mat, you just have to pick the right places to visit
stevenaia Michinaga: waves
Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya stev ah alfred .. a pleasure to meet you matsubaa :)
Matsubaa Antwerp: There's still some of that, I logged in and found myself locked in a pony corral but it isn't so dominant.
Alfred Kelberry: mat, having said that, we do have our shares of nudity as well :)
Matsubaa Antwerp: Hiya Paradise
Alfred Kelberry: stev! :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Boxy
stevenaia Michinaga: Alp, MAt
Alfred Kelberry: ok, you french girl. tell us about your trip! :)
stevenaia Michinaga: Aph
Paradise Tennant: smiles at boxy :) long time no see
Aphrodite Macbain: How are you Para and Steve?
stevenaia Michinaga: waiting for the snow tomorrow
Alfred Kelberry: *hugs para with his paws*
Paradise Tennant: magnifique !

--BELL--

Paradise Tennant: hugs boxy back :))
Alfred Kelberry: ooh la la :)
Alfred Kelberry: *purrs*
Aphrodite Macbain: ommmmm
Alfred Kelberry: *nods*
Paradise Tennant: smiles and ommmmmmmms too
Alfred Kelberry: mmm, had time for a few toughtless breaths :)
Alfred Kelberry: syl! :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Sylectra, Arch
Alfred Kelberry: archy is reading :)
Paradise Tennant: hiya sylectra arch we are ommmmmming

Sylectra arrives

Sylectra Darwin: Hey. Sorry I am late. Ooh, please continue
Alfred Kelberry: must be comics
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm sitting with myfamily drinkng too much bad red wine..
Alfred Kelberry: aph :)
Sylectra Darwin: Sounds good
Archmage Atlantis: Aph, why is the wine bad?
Alfred Kelberry: aph, does it mean you're going to be bold and sexually aggressive like the last time? :)
Sylectra Darwin: ha ha!
Sylectra Darwin: TMI?
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Paradise Tennant: lol
Paradise Tennant: smiles
stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, which log is that in Boxy?
Sylectra Darwin: heh
Sylectra Darwin: Stevie
Alfred Kelberry: there's only one, stev :)
Aphrodite Macbain: huh?
Aphrodite Macbain: last time?
Paradise Tennant: me thinks boxy is full of beans tonight :)
Alfred Kelberry: haha
Alfred Kelberry: aph doesn't remember :)
Aphrodite Macbain: have Ifo I forrgotten something
Alfred Kelberry: no aph, it's fine. let's hear from para! she's been on an amazing trip! :)
Aphrodite Macbain scratches her head an raise an eybrow
Aphrodite Macbain: raises
Alfred Kelberry: it was my joke beans, aph. sorry :)
Aphrodite Macbain: yes, I know. A fbulous trip!
Aphrodite Macbain: fab
Archmage Atlantis: Mind . emotions, illiogic on record
Alfred Kelberry: well spotted
Alfred Kelberry: what are you reading, archy?
Archmage Atlantis: The history of humanity, Sl
Paradise Tennant: smiles a comic book then :)
Aphrodite Macbain looks for her binocuars
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: must be a ig boo
Aphrodite Macbain: big book
Sylectra Darwin: brb
Aphrodite Macbain: argh. laaag
Archmage Atlantis: 3 seconds they tell me Aph
Alfred Kelberry: let's share our current book readings. what do you guys read these days?
Aphrodite Macbain: feels like more
stevenaia Michinaga: trying to read Arch's book
Paradise Tennant: smiles .. mine on the go ..just finished the sweetness of tears .. am midway on secrets of the fields .. all about crop circles and picked up a travel guide to paris .sort of a quickly planned trip and so much of the fun is reading up on a place :))
Archmage Atlantis: Afew small spells,
Archmage Atlantis: Mpthing more
Archmage Atlantis: dtill gatewaysy are not large
Aphrodite Macbain: I am rading "The Spell of the Sensuous" by David Abram, and Italian Verbs
Archmage Atlantis: In my cexperience
Aphrodite Macbain: *reading

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: para! crop circles :)
Alfred Kelberry: so cute
Alfred Kelberry: what does it say?
Paradise Tennant: http://www.littlefolktales.org/reviews/spellsensuous.html
Paradise Tennant: what a a good choice aph :)
Sylectra Darwin: back
Alfred Kelberry: syl :)
Paradise Tennant: san I surfed his youtube snippets one night great speaker great thinker
Alfred Kelberry: aph, italian verbs - you're preparing well :)
Paradise Tennant: something about italy brings sunshine to the soul whenever I am there i FEEL ALIVE :)
Sylectra Darwin: :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh my. what do you think it is, para?
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- nothing like the subjunctive to keep your brain working!
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Aphrodite Macbain: The language is beautiful too
Aphrodite Macbain: and David Abram writes like a drem
Aphrodite Macbain: dream
Archmage Atlantis: Amazing
Alfred Kelberry: "reveal the subtle dependence of human cognition on the natural environment"
Aphrodite Macbain: dream
Archmage Atlantis: grace
Archmage Atlantis: How sweet
Archmage Atlantis: the sund
stevenaia Michinaga: speaking of sweet, I ahve all this Holloween candy left, wish I could share it all with you
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: Italian has moresubjunctive tenses than ay othe language
Archmage Atlantis: When we've been here 10,000 years
Aphrodite Macbain: already steve?
Archmage Atlantis: I once was lost
Aphrodite Macbain: more than10,000 arch
Archmage Atlantis: but now I'm found
Paradise Tennant: smiles yes they really know how to feel and then express it
Aphrodite Macbain: 3 conversations going on...
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, Friday night here
stevenaia Michinaga: trick or treat
Aphrodite Macbain: I think I'll give up whileI can.It's far too slow...
Aphrodite Macbain: for me
Paradise Tennant: here we trick or treat on monday ;)
Aphrodite Macbain: what trick would you perform Steve?
Paradise Tennant: but there are lots dressed up tonite and tomorrow will be a big one
Archmage Atlantis: Tis thee approach to all halows ever
Aphrodite Macbain looks trough hr wardrobe for something
Aphrodite Macbain: black andorang and sary
Aphrodite Macbain: *orange and scary
Sylectra Darwin: hehe
Sylectra Darwin: you're running.
Aphrodite Macbain: workingout
Aphrodite Macbain: lol

--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: that's my lag
Aphrodite Macbain whispers "good bye"
Archmage Atlantis: Ghosts
Paradise Tennant: nite nite aph have lovely dreams :)
Sylectra Darwin: nite!
Paradise Tennant: nite nite syl :) sweet dreams
Paradise Tennant: would you l
Paradise Tennant: hiya observerm nice to see you ..would you like to sit with us :)
Sylectra Darwin: I'll be here a few more minutes...just fell behind in wishing Aph a good night
Archmage Atlantis: In the beginning, there was the light, and the light was without the word
Paradise Tennant: smiles good nites can be confusing :)
Archmage Atlantis: So the word came to be
Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and namaste
Paradise Tennant: nite nite arch
Sylectra Darwin: namaste Arch
oO0Oo Resident: Hello everyone. Good to see you. Very laggy here. :)
Sylectra Darwin: Good to see you too Samuo :)
Paradise Tennant: hiya samuo sorry up getting the dog his cookies :)
Sylectra Darwin: Oh! I need to do that for my dog too!
Paradise Tennant: quinoa cookies .. we share :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I claimed the log,I can send it to you
stevenaia Michinaga: sylectra
Sylectra Darwin: ok thanks Steve
Paradise Tennant: was listening to a good talk on happiness .. one of the ted talks
Sylectra Darwin: oh nice! I get the Ted Talks podcast
Paradise Tennant: spoke to how .. we disregard the intangible qualities to life because they cannot be measured .. they are intangible
Sylectra Darwin: I'll look for it.
Paradise Tennant: the speaker talked of how in bhutan they have a national happiness index :)

--BELL--

Paradise Tennant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_national_happiness
Sylectra Darwin: I wonder how they measure?
Sylectra Darwin: bye observerm
Paradise Tennant: Ed Diener, a psychologist from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, has developed a scale referred to as subjective well-being, a concept related to happiness and quality of life, which has been used to compare nations to each other on this construct.[9] This study found that "high income, individualism, human rights, and social equality correlated strongly with each other, and with SWB" (p. 851, abstract).
Paradise Tennant: nite nite observerm :)
Paradise Tennant: they have been working on different qualitative measurement systems since the 1970s
stevenaia Michinaga: bedtime for me, night all, will measure happiness in my dreams
Paradise Tennant: smiles and wishes you scads of it stev :)
oO0Oo Resident: Night stevenaia
Sylectra Darwin: hope Stev has a good night too
oO0Oo Resident: Individualism is beneficial to SWB?
Sylectra Darwin: I read through the description of gross national happiness and still don't understand it.
Paradise Tennant: well gross domestic product is premised on material production and sort of scale of consumption
Sylectra Darwin: ok
Paradise Tennant: this is a qualitative index which measures how content people are with their living conditions
Paradise Tennant: and with their individual lives the ability to live .. fully as they choose
Paradise Tennant: bhutan is a buddhist oriented nation so ...many buddhist principles are at play too
Sylectra Darwin: so they take a census for these factors?
Paradise Tennant: hmm think they have tried lots of different ways of trying to measure and to obtain the data
Paradise Tennant: just kind of refreshing to see :)
Sylectra Darwin: wouldn't it be great if we had TV-side boxes with buttons that we could punch every night?
Bleu Oleander: hiya :)
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Bleu :)
Paradise Tennant: you know there are so many ted talks on happiness I am having trouble finding the one I was listening too
--BELL--
Paradise Tennant: hiya bleu so nice to see you ..it has been a while :)
Paradise Tennant: as always you are a vision :)))
Bleu Oleander: yes, nice to see you all :)
Bleu Oleander: rarely home on a friday night :)
Sylectra Darwin: Bleu, how are you?
Bleu Oleander: great thanks Sylectra, you?
Sylectra Darwin: me too! It's pretty late for me now, with my work schedule, but I am still awake!
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Sylectra Darwin: We were talking about the Happiness Index in Bhutan...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_national_happiness
Bleu Oleander: ah ok thanks
oO0Oo Resident: The gross national happiness notion, feels like such a common sense connection for me. Explaining what I belive most people know and feel on some level, in many moments in their daily lives.
Sylectra Darwin: Me too
Sylectra Darwin: I was reading that police and military action expenses would be deducted from the GHI and volunteer contributions would be added :)
Paradise Tennant: we always know if we are happy or sad ...no need for an internal measurement system it is just there
Sylectra Darwin: Do I always know if I am happy or sad, I ask myself?
Bleu Oleander: sometimes we don't realize how happy we are
Bleu Oleander: until we lose it
Sylectra Darwin: clarity by way of contrast, yes
Paradise Tennant: yes contrast throws everything into high relief
Bleu Oleander: http://being.publicradio.org/programs/2011/happiest-man/
Sylectra Darwin: It's a trick for focusing a camera
Paradise Tennant: smiles :)

--BELL--

Sylectra Darwin: hehe
oO0Oo Resident: I wonder if anyone, like me, moves through culture spaces, constructs of business, and society, and thinks from time to time, "*This* cannot be a precursor for human happiness.. Surely *that* is not helping society and well being."
Paradise Tennant: smiles think our thoughts are more powerful than we understand
Sylectra Darwin: That sounds like a familiar thought, Samuo
oO0Oo Resident: I'm thinking of a passage in David Foster wallace's Kenyon College address. Many of his writings, it seems to me try and enter into the gaps between GNH and GDP, and describe what is going on.
Paradise Tennant: listens
oO0Oo Resident: "The plain fact is that you graduating seniors do not yet have any clue what "day in day out" really means. There happen to be whole, large parts of adult American life that nobody talks about in commencement speeches. One such part involves boredom, routine, and petty frustration. The parents and older folks here will know all too well what I'm talking about."
oO0Oo Resident: "By way of example, let's say it's an average adult day, and you get up in the morning, go to your challenging, white-collar, college-graduate job, and you work hard for eight or ten hours, and at the end of the day you're tired and somewhat stressed and all you want is to go home and have a good supper and maybe unwind for an hour, and then hit the sack early because, of course, you have to get up the next day and do it all again. "
Sylectra Darwin: Yes, many truths there, in my opinion. What do you think he was getting at, though? Surely his whole point was not to discourage the seniors?
oO0Oo Resident: "But then you remember there's no food at home. You haven't had time to shop this week because of your challenging job, and so now after work you have to get in your car and drive to the supermarket. It's the end of the work day and the traffic is apt to be: very bad. So getting to the store takes way longer than it should, and when you finally get there, the supermarket is very crowded, because of course it's the time of day when all the other people with jobs also try to squeeze in some grocery shopping. And the store is hideously lit and infused with soul-killing muzak or corporate pop and it's pretty much the last place you want to be but you can't just get in and quickly out; you have to wander all over the huge, over-lit store's confusing aisles to find the stuff you want and you have to maneuver your junky cart through all these other tired, hurried people with carts (et cetera, et cetera, cutting stuff out because this is a long ceremony) and eventually you get all your supper supplies, except now it"
oO0Oo Resident: "except now it turns out there aren't enough check-out lanes open even though it's the end-of-the-day rush. So the checkout line is incredibly long, which is stupid and infuriating. But you can't take your frustration out on the frantic lady working the register, who is overworked at a job whose daily tedium and meaninglessness surpasses the imagination of any of us here at a prestigious college."
oO0Oo Resident: "But anyway, you finally get to the checkout line's front, and you pay for your food, and you get told to "Have a nice day" in a voice that is the absolute voice of death. Then you have to take your creepy, flimsy, plastic bags of groceries in your cart with the one crazy wheel that pulls maddeningly to the left, all the way out through the crowded, bumpy, littery parking lot, and then you have to drive all the way home through slow, heavy, SUV-intensive, rush-hour traffic, et cetera et cetera."
oO0Oo Resident: "Everyone here has done this, of course. But it hasn't yet been part of you graduates' actual life routine, day after week after month after year. But it will be. And many more dreary, annoying, seemingly meaningless routines besides. But that is not the point. The point is that petty, frustrating crap like this is exactly where the work of choosing is gonna come in. Because the traffic jams and crowded aisles and long checkout lines give me time to think, and if I don't make a conscious decision about how to think and what to pay attention to, I'm gonna be pissed and miserable every time I have to shop."

--BELL--

Paradise Tennant: smiles yes .. governing our thoughts .. changes the world because it changes us
oO0Oo Resident: Sorry for the long quotes. The rest is here: Transcription of the 2005 Kenyon Commencement Address - May 21, 2005 http://web.archive.org/web/20080213082423/http://www.marginalia.org/dfw_kenyon_commencement.html It's a good read IMO.
Paradise Tennant: just thinking with care .. consideration .. respect .. :) so easy to say and sometimes more challenging to do
Paradise Tennant: smiles going to have to excuse myself I have a friend in need :)
Bleu Oleander: nite Paradise :)
Bleu Oleander: nice to see you!
oO0Oo Resident: Good night Paradise
Paradise Tennant: thanks for the company and the conversation namaste
Bleu Oleander: i'll say g'nite as well :)
Sylectra Darwin: gnite
Bleu Oleander: take care everyone
Sylectra Darwin: I need to say good night too
Sylectra Darwin: take care!
Alfred Kelberry: night folks :)
oO0Oo Resident: Good night Bleu, Sylectra
Alfred Kelberry: sorry, i've been away most of the time
Alfred Kelberry: sam :)
Alfred Kelberry: mat, hope you enjoyed yoru stay
oO0Oo Resident: Boxy :)
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
Alfred Kelberry: night
oO0Oo Resident: Night Boxy. I'll be off too. Bye Matsubaa. Seeing you are 'away', I'll perhaps meet you another time :)
oO0Oo Resident: Take care