2011.10.28 13:00 - On being embarrassed to ask

Wol Euler was guardian for this session, filling in for Yakuzza.

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Wol and Korel.
Wol Euler: hello korel, bruce
Korel Laloix: Heya.
Bruce Mowbray: I hope you're finally getting some rest, Wol.
Korel Laloix: In and out.
Wol Euler: sorta :)
Wol Euler: thank you
Bruce Mowbray: weekend ahead. . .
Bruce Mowbray: play hooky.
Korel Laloix: Thank goodness.
Wol Euler: heh
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Wol Euler: hard to do when there's only one person in the office. My absence would be noticed
Korel Laloix: I have the same problem today.
Bruce Mowbray: Could you put an avatar in your office to sub for you?
Korel Laloix: I am the only one here and I wanted to leave early for my trip... frowns
Bruce Mowbray relishes his retirement, hermithood, and freedom -- once more.
Wol Euler: hello fc
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Fc!
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Wol Korel Bruce
Wol Euler: hello eliza!
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eliza.
FcSeeker Resident: hi Eliza
Korel Laloix: osiyo
Eliza Madrigal waves
Wol Euler considers playing a really simplified game of tic-tac-toe on Eliza's jeans
FcSeeker Resident: smiles*
Eliza Madrigal: maybe hopscotch
FcSeeker Resident: how are you all ?
Wol Euler: hheh
Bruce Mowbray looks around for a magic marker.
Wol Euler: hello aggers!
Eliza Madrigal: :))
FcSeeker Resident: hi Aggers
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, aggers.
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
Eliza Madrigal: fairly well FcS, you?
FcSeeker Resident: I'm soooooooooooo happy atm <3<3<3<3
Wol Euler: ah :)
Agatha Macbeth: FC is cute as always :)
Wol Euler: glad to hear that
Bruce Mowbray: Me tooooo, Fc!!!
Eliza Madrigal: oooh! livens up
FcSeeker Resident: so good to hear <3
Eliza Madrigal: with reason or beyond?
Wol Euler: ah, yes, it's friday
FcSeeker Resident: I just got such help from a friend; special help I needed
FcSeeker Resident: and was a bit embarresed to ask
Bruce Mowbray: SO DID I, Fc!!!!
Bruce Mowbray: Yayyyy!
Wol Euler: awwwwww
Eliza Madrigal: :) Congratulations, surely something to celebrate
FcSeeker Resident: Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Wol Euler: the thing is, fc, friends *want* to help, If you don't ask they are unable to do so
Wol Euler: not asking cheats two people :)
FcSeeker Resident: and my friend even said that 'if all problems would be so easy to resolve'
Eliza Madrigal: wonder why it is so common to be embarrassed to ask
Agatha Macbeth: 'the only silly question is the one you don't ask'
FcSeeker Resident: that I felt that I didn't bother my friend at all :)***
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler smiles.
FcSeeker Resident: imo---when one has used to be the helper for decades, and not needed help for one's self so much...but starting to need more and more help by time, but not getting it...
Wol Euler: perhaps it goes back to the fear of being wrong that is hammmered into (most of) us at school
FcSeeker Resident: specially from people who's said that 'if there's anything I can do, please tell'
Wol Euler: of being the only one who doesn't know the answer, and being laughed at
Bruce Mowbray: oh yeah.
Eliza Madrigal nods
FcSeeker Resident: that makes at leat me to be embarresed when needs to ask...
Wol Euler nods to Fc.
Wol Euler: asking for help means giving up the role of being helper, you mean?

--BELL--

FcSeeker Resident: well...have not taken myself to have any rolls...but knowing that I cannot help myself...
FcSeeker Resident: hi boxy
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
FcSeeker Resident: and yes; feeling that I bother
Wol Euler: awww
FcSeeker Resident: which is the last thing I wanna do to anybody
Alfred Kelberry: *purr* what a lovely set of girls :)
Wol Euler: not just, boxy :)
Agatha Macbeth: G'day Boxy
Bruce Mowbray: sometimes one needs to let friends know that it's all right for them to say, NOOOOOO! - - (but first we need to know that ourselves).
Wol Euler: but the girls are lovely, I'll grant you that
Wol Euler grins.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Boxy!
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal waves to Boxy
Alfred Kelberry: victorian aga?
Eliza Madrigal: to ask for what one needs, often requires a disclosure, a kind of price or risk
Agatha Macbeth: Could be
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: eliza is goddess-like, as usual :)
Eliza Madrigal: goddess in ripped jeans?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: and featherly light top :)
Wol Euler: goddesses make what ever they wear regal :)
Agatha Macbeth: True
FcSeeker Resident: <3<3<3
Eliza Madrigal enjoys everyone's projections
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Alfred Kelberry: kori is diminutively cute
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Agatha Macbeth: Or cutely diminutive
FcSeeker Resident: ...have you Bruce used to get help when you ask for it ?
Alfred Kelberry: heh
FcSeeker Resident: meaning from other people..
Alfred Kelberry: *sniffs the flowers on top of aga's hat*
Bruce Mowbray: I seldom ask for help . . . but can do so when I need to - - such as today.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Do they need watering?
Alfred Kelberry: um...
Alfred Kelberry: they look artificial

An interesting point.

Eliza Madrigal: funny how often someone says they have a huge favor and it turns out to be a tiny thing
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: huge to them, perhaps, weighing on their soul like a ton of barbed wire
Eliza Madrigal: YES
Bruce Mowbray: hat do you mean, "artificial"? - - I can see the aphids from way over here.
Agatha Macbeth: Ow
FcSeeker Resident: ah yes; my prob was huge
Bruce Mowbray: but lighter now, I hope, Fc.
FcSeeker Resident: and I didn't know anything to resolve even I tried things that I know
Eliza Madrigal smiles... makes me feel happy to think of that
FcSeeker Resident: the problem was solved perfectly
Wol Euler: problems always seem very much larger when seen from the inside :)
Wol Euler: or perhaps :(
Alfred Kelberry: for a kid, if his cube tower has fallen, it's a big deal
Bruce Mowbray: My "problem" was also solved perrectly - - just this morning! YAYYY!
FcSeeker Resident: oh huge boxy
Agatha Macbeth: Huge Boxy? :p
FcSeeker Resident: thank you so much for your words
Wol Euler smiles warmly
Alfred Kelberry: i think it's about emotional investment
Eliza Madrigal: :))) Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: He always tells the girls that
Wol Euler laughs.
FcSeeker Resident: you helped me to think how we all are also children, specially in front of the problems we cannot resolve by our self
Alfred Kelberry: what? about investments? :)
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
FcSeeker Resident: rises a story...
Bruce Mowbray hopes aggers is not referring to the aphids when he says, "He tells all the girls that."
Eliza Madrigal: nods FcS
Wol Euler: heheheh
Agatha Macbeth: When you seen one aphid you've seen em all
Eliza Madrigal: It might make a good experiment: asking practice
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: aphid - a minute bug that feeds by sucking sap from plants

FcSeeker tells a story from xir life.

FcSeeker Resident: as I was only 7 years old, but I was strong and already could help in many things....
Agatha Macbeth: and gets eaten by ladybirds
Wol Euler: that's a good idea, eliza
Alfred Kelberry: aga, cool
FcSeeker Resident: and I just had rowed group of people from island to the mainland...
FcSeeker Resident: all other was adults
Alfred Kelberry: blisters
Eliza Madrigal: wow
FcSeeker Resident: and they all went up to the hill to cars
FcSeeker Resident: but I stayed to set the rowboat to been tight
Bruce Mowbray listens intently.
FcSeeker Resident: so I was alone when took a walk onto the mainland
Wol Euler excuses herself for a moment, and slips away
FcSeeker Resident: I dont know the name of the item in english, but such wooden 'platform' between boats and land
Alfred Kelberry: aww
Agatha Macbeth: Pier?
Bruce Mowbray: pier
FcSeeker Resident: yes
Agatha Macbeth: snap
Eliza Madrigal: erases 'dock'
Agatha Macbeth: Pier pressure
FcSeeker Resident: so...one of them woods of the pier was weak
FcSeeker Resident: and my foot went through it up to the knee
Eliza Madrigal: !
FcSeeker Resident: and I couldn't get it up
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Bruce Mowbray: !!!
Bruce Mowbray: pier pressure, indeed.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth nods
FcSeeker Resident: I tried and tried but only got wounds
FcSeeker Resident: it took long time for adults to notice that I'm 'nowhere'
Eliza Madrigal: what a scary feeling
FcSeeker Resident: and my grandmom had said that she's to check why I'm in so long delay
FcSeeker Resident: so she came and found me like that and helped me up and said;
FcSeeker Resident: "Ah yes...as children are always helped"
Agatha Macbeth: 'you put your foot in it'
FcSeeker Resident: that has always been in my family that one must understand of 'the half of the word' what the other person sais
Eliza Madrigal: oh, interesting, wow... suppose she was confiding, in a way
FcSeeker Resident: so I know that she meant to apologize that nobody had noticed to think that I am a child
Agatha Macbeth: Grandmothers are very wise creatures
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
FcSeeker Resident: and took herself much responsibility that I had not been taken care of
FcSeeker Resident: so...that moment told me that I was not a child anymore in people's eyes
Korel Laloix: Never met any of my grandparetns... frowns
Agatha Macbeth: Aww

--BELL--

FcSeeker Resident: but I felt good to get so much love from my granny...
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ari :)
Arisia Vita: so good to be near you all again...
FcSeeker Resident: and now you boxy helped me to remember how all people are still also a child, no matter witch age
Agatha Macbeth: Hello dear ari
FcSeeker Resident: Hello love *
Alfred Kelberry: ari :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Ari!
FcSeeker Resident: and children are allowed to ask help :)<3<3<3
Alfred Kelberry: new outfit :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)) FcS
Eliza Madrigal: wb Wol :)
Wol Euler: ty
FcSeeker Resident: wb Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Agatha Macbeth: wb
Alfred Kelberry: fc, i'm glad i played my part :)
Wol Euler: these little rituals that we enact :)
Bruce Mowbray: Everyone needs to feel safe to ask for help.
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Wol Euler: but I'm sorry I missed the end of your story, fc

Gender rules, fie on 'em.

Alfred Kelberry: bruce, but men don't ask for help and never cry
Wol Euler snorts.
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: men are idiots if they don't
FcSeeker Resident: I'll create a nc for you <3<3<3
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: well, actually ... :)
Agatha Macbeth: That's why it helps to be a woman [grin]
Bruce Mowbray: then, I guess I'm not a "man" - - -
Alfred Kelberry: *likes controversial statements* :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Wol Euler: the best men aren't "men" :)
Bruce Mowbray: nor would I wish to be that sort of man.
Agatha Macbeth: Small furry creatures from alpha centauri are REAL small furry creatures from alpha centauri...
Wol Euler grins
Wol Euler: but the poetry sucks.
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Alfred Kelberry: it can be seen as limitation of freedom that men aren't supposed to be mushy. yet it's a part of being human.
Wol Euler: "I like my men like my peas: mushy" :)
Agatha Macbeth: Peas are supposed to be mushy...
Wol Euler: semi-snap
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Agatha Macbeth: sorta
Wol Euler: meta-snap
Eliza Madrigal: likes popping peas
Agatha Macbeth: meta sorta
Agatha Macbeth: Or metta
Korel Laloix: I am not really into men, but the ones that I have been attracted to were the very confident geeky sorts.... or metal musicians.....grins
Alfred Kelberry: could also contribute to men living less for suppressing a substantial chunck of their emotions
Agatha Macbeth: Alf will be glad to hear that :p
Alfred Kelberry: yes, please :)
Agatha Macbeth grins
Bruce Mowbray knows that he'll never be charged with suppressing a substantial chunk of emotions.
Alfred Kelberry: ok, the men here, do you cry in a movie theater? :)
Agatha Macbeth: Good for thee Brucie
Bruce Mowbray: . . . well, except for anger - - I do suppress my anger too much.
Bruce Mowbray: I cry anywhere - - literally.
Bruce Mowbray: I cried last weekend with a guest visiting.
Agatha Macbeth knows the feeling
Wol Euler smiles warmly.
Alfred Kelberry: *recalls tears on his cheeks watching titanic while holding a hand of a girl in the next seat* :)
Eliza Madrigal: guests and sinking ships are supposed to make you cry :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wow, did you know her?
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Bruce Mowbray: Sometinmes, I'll watch a DVD JUST IN ORDER to get the tears flowing.
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Wol Euler laughs.
Agatha Macbeth: I find music does it better
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, what movies?
Alfred Kelberry: aga, yes. classical.
Agatha Macbeth smiles @ Boxyboy
Eliza Madrigal: yes me too Bruce
Alfred Kelberry: violins can make wonders to your soul
Bruce Mowbray: @ Wol. . . . and also while watching a child discovering the mist for the first time (((Wol)))

This refers to a little tale I told at the Halifax retreat, which I'll tell you about some other time.

Agatha Macbeth: and pianos
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Arisia Vita: when one laughs hard enough, he cries... there is a message in that
Wol Euler smiles tearily
Eliza Madrigal: :***)))
Alfred Kelberry: i play at home now and then and amuse myself :)
Agatha Macbeth: I don't wonder
Alfred Kelberry: ari, i like the metaphor of a cry as emotions that can't hold anymore and they overflow
Arisia Vita: me too
Alfred Kelberry: literally feels like that
Bruce Mowbray: What movies? - - - (answering Boxy) - - I always cry in GOOD WILL HUNTING. . .
Eliza Madrigal: 'a good cry'
Agatha Macbeth: Know the overflow as you go
Arisia Vita: Happiness lives for those who cry, those who hurt, those who have searched, and those who have tried, for only they can appreciate the importance of people who have touched their lives.
Alfred Kelberry: bruce! omg, i yet to see this movie
Alfred Kelberry: thank you for reminding me

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: a must
Wol Euler: "It's a wonderful life"
Bruce Mowbray: "It's not your fault. It's not your fault. It's not. . ."
Alfred Kelberry: ari, beautiful
Arisia Vita: the truth often is...
Wol Euler nods to ari.
Agatha Macbeth: Which movie?
Alfred Kelberry: or not
Eliza Madrigal: "Life is Beautiful"
Wol Euler: the "tears in the rain" scene at the end of Blade Runner, man I choke up even thinking about it :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes
Alfred Kelberry: ah, that's not very cryish :)
Wol Euler: O.O WHAT???
Agatha Macbeth: Depends Alf...
Wol Euler: clearly you don't remember it
Alfred Kelberry: too sci-fi-ish :)
Alfred Kelberry: but yes, it was a long time ago
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119217/
Wol Euler snorts
Wol Euler: that scene is *not* about sci-fi :)
Korel Laloix: I really don't like scifi, but I did like bladerunner.
Alfred Kelberry: um, yes. i mean the movie is.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: The fact it's a 'hard man' like Rutger Hauer makes it even more so
Wol Euler: exactly, aggers
Bruce Mowbray: Oh, Brokeback Montain . . . I really criee with that one.
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Eliza Madrigal nods
Bruce Mowbray: Mountain*
Bruce Mowbray: cried*
Agatha Macbeth: Brucie is so emotional, his spelling is kaput
Agatha Macbeth: :p
Korel Laloix: OH gosh, we soooo hated that movie.
Eliza Madrigal: ah, Ang Lee... thought it was Minghella
Eliza Madrigal: I was looking for a sappy Minghella film I used to own the other day.. 'truly madly deeply'... found amazon for $104...ack... that's a wonderful, cry-y movie
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
Korel Laloix: And then my straight friends give a me a copy........ I dont like men, so I really don't want to see two men going at it.... lol
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92D15qtI_Gk
Agatha Macbeth: Chacun a son gout eh?
Wol Euler: oh, yes, lovely film!
Agatha Macbeth: Shame gaya had to wind up the film club
Agatha Macbeth: (waa)
Alfred Kelberry: i miss gaya
Alfred Kelberry: :(
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Was that a hug Alf, or did you blow in my ear?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, me too
Alfred Kelberry: both, aga :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, ty :)
Alfred Kelberry: also, stroked your hair :)
Agatha Macbeth: ty x 2 :)
Alfred Kelberry: and gave a soft kiss to your cheek :)
Agatha Macbeth: oooh
Alfred Kelberry: *purr* :)
Agatha Macbeth: You dog you [wink]
Bruce Mowbray is crying - - just having watched Good Will Hunting for the thousandth time.
Alfred Kelberry: aww...
Agatha Macbeth: Aw, brucie
Eliza Madrigal: ((((( ))))))
Alfred Kelberry: *pats brucie*
Wol Euler: awwwwwww ♥
Bruce Mowbray: it's OK. among friends.
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: permission :)
Wol Euler nods.
FcSeeker Resident: <3<3<3
Agatha Macbeth: 'Leave the permissions open' :p
Alfred Kelberry: bruce... is it ok to ask what makes you cry in this movie? specific event, recollection from the past?
Bruce Mowbray: Well, that particular scene involves the young man finally admitting that his step-father's physical abuse was not his fault. . .
Bruce Mowbray: Robin Williams repeats it ten times.
Bruce Mowbray: and finally the boy undertstands. . .
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray: It took me four decades to get the point.
Alfred Kelberry: thank you, bruce
FcSeeker Resident: (closes his eyes because has not seen that movie yet, but heared it to bee great)
Agatha Macbeth: Some things take time I guess
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: cracking each layer down
Bruce Mowbray: so. . . It's a GREAT DAY! and It's going to be even a GREATER weekend!!!
Wol Euler: the pupil has to be ready for the lesson
Agatha Macbeth: GREAT :p
Wol Euler: that reminded me of a moment in Kramer versus Kramer
Bruce Mowbray listens
Wol Euler: where she has moved out, and he is tucking their kid, maybe he's 5 or 6, in to bed
Wol Euler: they talk about where mom is
Wol Euler: and the kid asks "When mommy left us, was it because I was bad?"
Wol Euler: my god, I just bawled
Eliza Madrigal: :(
Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes.
Alfred Kelberry: eh
Agatha Macbeth: ♥
Wol Euler: ah, the things people carry with them
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe cos they don't wanna put them down

--BELL--

Wol Euler: or don't know that they can.
Bruce Mowbray: fighting parents do not seem to realize that their kids often feel responsible. . . and carry that "guilt" inwardly for years.
FcSeeker Resident: ...I know a man who was ab 40 when his parents divorsed and he thought that to been caused by him that he was not as good son he would've liked to be...
Agatha Macbeth: Why does someone always have to be 'to blame'?
FcSeeker Resident: he thankfully was helped to get rid of thouse thoughts soon
Eliza Madrigal: one doesn't want to lose the treasure in what they've gone through, in what they've gone through... so how to hold without being swallowed up may take a while
Agatha Macbeth: Good FC
Eliza Madrigal: (sorry for repetition, wonder what I did erase if not that) :)
Wol Euler: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Your point is well taken - - erasure or not.
Agatha Macbeth: 'without repetition, hesitation or deviation'
Wol Euler: truly, madly, deeply
Bruce Mowbray is a world-class repeater, hesitator, and deviator.
Agatha Macbeth: Crosby stills and Nash
Agatha Macbeth: and Young
Alfred Kelberry: ok now, what movies do you watch for laughs? :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Airplane 1 & 2
Alfred Kelberry: oldies
Alfred Kelberry: haven't seen
Agatha Macbeth: The Great Dictator
Agatha Macbeth: Monsieur Verdoux
Wol Euler: o.O
Eliza Madrigal: LA Story :)
Wol Euler ponders
Alfred Kelberry: gah! we're a totally mismatch on the movies, aga :)
Alfred Kelberry: seen none of those
Agatha Macbeth: LA is funny Liz? :p
Bruce Mowbray: The Birdcage
Wol Euler: is LA story the weatherman?
Wol Euler: and the talking traffic sign?
Eliza Madrigal: yes... it is a quirky like I admit
Eliza Madrigal: but makes me giggle
Wol Euler: that was funny, yes, I liked that
Agatha Macbeth: and the Marx bros natch
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: oooh definitely
FcSeeker Resident: ...loves the movies with laughter, tears, exitement and grace...
Alfred Kelberry: so, come on, no one is watching hangover for laughs? :)
Wol Euler: Coen Brothers and Aki Kaurismäki films are really funny in bits
Agatha Macbeth: Hangover?
Alfred Kelberry: eh, eclectic elitists :)
Wol Euler: yep :-P
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: Never seen that one either
Alfred Kelberry: as long as it's not for the sake of elitism :)
Eliza Madrigal: does a film need to have catharsis? (thinking of 'grace')
FcSeeker Resident: oh wow...have taken Aki Kaurismäki to make heavy movies to watch...maybe I should've watch them taking them to be humor....
Wol Euler: oh, they are heavy, fc, but funny too
Wol Euler: they are funny in bits, between the tears
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, i like open ends and suspension sometimes
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
Agatha Macbeth says nothing
Wol Euler: aye
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2...-funny-movies/
Alfred Kelberry: aga girl :)
Agatha Macbeth: I'll leave the BDSM jokes for another day :p
Alfred Kelberry: you! :)
Agatha Macbeth: me?
FcSeeker Resident: such movies like 'Blue lagun' holds grace imo...
Eliza Madrigal: yes amazing how you just did that ag :)
Agatha Macbeth grins
Wol Euler: sorry, that story lost me on the first paragraph. Any list of "funniest films ever" which includes Adam Sandler in its tags ... well, we will disagree
FcSeeker Resident: dont know the spelling of 'lagun' but think that all knows the movie
Bruce Mowbray: Blue Lagoon - - a beautiful movie. . .
FcSeeker Resident: Lagoon yes
Alfred Kelberry: adam sandler is great!
FcSeeker Resident: felt that also for the movie 'Save the solder Brian'
Agatha Macbeth: I like the Hanukkah Song'
Alfred Kelberry: he was so good in reign over me
Eliza Madrigal: ah, Philidelphia Story mmmm
Wol Euler: "clerks" was good, and also "chasing amy"
Bruce Mowbray agrees with Wol about Adam Sandler.
Wol Euler: tahnk you, bruce :)
Alfred Kelberry: *pokes bruce*
Agatha Macbeth also pokes Bruce
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: that page had probs so I looked at another: http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0882207.html
Wol Euler: I've never heard of two thirds of those films
Eliza Madrigal: forgot half of these... just watched Girl Friday last week again
Bruce Mowbray: OH WOW! Great list, Eliza!!
Korel Laloix: I am glad I have never heard of most of them.
Agatha Macbeth: Like I said, we should get Gaya back
Bruce Mowbray rushes to make Netflix orders.
Eliza Madrigal: wow I should get netflix again, are they giving apology rates?
Wol Euler: oh yes, a much better list! thank you eliza

--BELL--

Wol Euler: ha! they include Fargo! good list.
Agatha Macbeth: Wells?
Wol Euler: north dakota
Wol Euler: coen brothers
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: even the Court Jester :) <3
Eliza Madrigal: the idea has come up of having a pab pajama and movie night... what think we? :)
Agatha Macbeth: Who caught him?
Alfred Kelberry: wee!
Eliza Madrigal: could be middle of day I guess :)
Wol Euler: great idea, but timing will be a problem
Korel Laloix: What movie?
Bruce Mowbray: wee wee wee!
Eliza Madrigal: there's the question
Agatha Macbeth: Wee laddie
Zen Arado: Hi all
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
FcSeeker Resident: hello Zen
Wol Euler: hello zen
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zen.
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Mr Artist :)
Alfred Kelberry: woly, let's go watch forrest gump in german in berlin :)
Alfred Kelberry: zen :)
Wol Euler: sure
Wol Euler: organize it
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Zen Arado: Black Forest gump
Bruce Mowbray: Rocky Horror Show
Alfred Kelberry: you just do it
Wol Euler: yay!
Eliza Madrigal: there ya go
Bruce Mowbray: Time for Bruce to poof.
Wol Euler: bye bruce, enjoy the weekend
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks everyone. . . Make it a great weekend.
Alfred Kelberry: poof well and thank you
Eliza Madrigal: Eliza too but she seems to be stuck to the cushion
FcSeeker Resident: enjoy your day Bruce :)
Zen Arado: bye Bruce
Wol Euler: awwwww
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bruce :) TY
Alfred Kelberry: nooo, eliza staaays!!!
Wol Euler grabs your ankle and lies on the floor to increase resistance
Alfred Kelberry: *adds more adhesive material*
Eliza Madrigal: hehe.. seems so.... no matter how many times I've visualized myself up and about
Zen Arado: locks manacles
Wol Euler chuckles.
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Alfred Kelberry: suspension! :)
Zen Arado: handcuffed to pillar
Eliza Madrigal: eek :)
Agatha Macbeth: I come here to get away from all that :p
Eliza Madrigal: sea monster coming?
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Zen Arado: oh was getting carried away
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Carried away by a sea monster
Zen Arado: ws getting into bondage unconsciously
FcSeeker Resident: hi Ingrid
Alfred Kelberry: *brings a ballgag*
Wol Euler grins.
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Ingrid Manen: hi
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ingrid :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh... hi :)
Agatha Macbeth: G'day Ingrid
Wol Euler: hello ingrid
Zen Arado: Hi Ingrid :)
Wol Euler: have you been here before?
Ingrid Manen: yes long ago
Alfred Kelberry: ingrid - a nice nordic name
Eliza Madrigal: Welcome back :)
Ingrid Manen: I was just trying old landmarks
Wol Euler: ah, okay, so I'll spare you the introduciton and the notecard :)
Agatha Macbeth: An old timer :)
Alfred Kelberry: and you've found new us! :)
Wol Euler: old indeed! born in september 2006!
Eliza Madrigal: washed upon a new old shore
Ingrid Manen: :)
Alfred Kelberry: message in a bottle, eliza? :)
Agatha Macbeth: Or an old new one
FcSeeker Resident: takes a humble bow
Wol Euler: bye fc, take care, enjoy the weekend
Eliza Madrigal: bye FcS :) thanks
Alfred Kelberry: do you have a message for us, ingrid? :)
FcSeeker Resident: namaste dear people :)<3<3<3
Agatha Macbeth: _/\_ FC
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Alfred Kelberry: bye, plushy panda :)
Ingrid Manen: eww... should I
Wol Euler: it's optional
Alfred Kelberry: not sure, just asking
Agatha Macbeth: Should you what?
Ingrid Manen: have a message
Zen Arado: bye Fc
Wol Euler: but you would get extra points for having one :)
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Agatha Macbeth: Erm
Alfred Kelberry: karma points that is
Wol Euler: right
Alfred Kelberry: which increases your chances to incarnate as a human in your next life
Wol Euler: it's your "get out of a lower life form free" card
Agatha Macbeth: Karma chameleons
Eliza Madrigal: actually do have to go... taking son who has/wants no costume, to a halloween party tonight...
Wol Euler: oh wow
Agatha Macbeth: Watch those broomsticks Liz
Arisia Vita: I must fly too...
Arisia Vita: it's been great being near you all
Agatha Macbeth: Fly well Ari
Ingrid Manen: message :)
Wol Euler: bye eliza, enjoy the evening
Zen Arado: unlocks Eliza

It seems Ingrid does have a message! Perhaps we should ask this of all visitors.

Ingrid Manen: While mankind deliberates its lively existance and includes its struggle for dominance and while it makes life hardly bearable and wealth hardly shareable, there is a common dream of a perfect heaven as an unimaginable paradise to believe in…
Wol Euler: bye ari, take care
Zen Arado: bye Ari
Arisia Vita: be well and happy
Alfred Kelberry: oh, this could be a fun experiment. every person who joins a session should have a message :)
Zen Arado: bye Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: thanks
Eliza Madrigal: :) wearing a shirt that says 'i solemnly swear that I am up to no good'
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz
Wol Euler: oh yes,
Wol Euler: if he had that :)
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nice Ingrid :)
Ingrid Manen: lol everyone flies away
Agatha Macbeth: It's because Korel's here [grin]
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: our sessions begin at 1, so some have been here a while :) hope to see you again Ingrid and everyone
Alfred Kelberry: quiet, but effective :)
Ingrid Manen: perhaps
Ingrid Manen: :)
Korel Laloix: I have that affect.
Eliza Madrigal waves
Wol Euler: nah
Agatha Macbeth: (Liz looks huggy)
Wol Euler: she always does, aggers
Alfred Kelberry: but, um... for some reason i feel this strange attraction to kori
Wol Euler: well, I think eveyrone looks huggy
Wol Euler is a hugging machine.
Agatha Macbeth polishes your glasses
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: heheh
Korel Laloix: It is called gravity.
Ingrid Manen: without offence but I am going to try my next old LM
Wol Euler: sure, go for it
Zen Arado: we failed the test :(
Alfred Kelberry: say hi to the next lm!
Agatha Macbeth: You'll probably find it's not there anymore
Alfred Kelberry: from this one
Zen Arado: yeh
Wol Euler: that happens a lot
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Agatha Macbeth: I TPed to a shop once, and found myself in this German couple's bedroom
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: Mein Gott
Wol Euler: as one does
Zen Arado: ha ha
Agatha Macbeth: Fortunately they weren't on the poseballs yet
Wol Euler: indeed

--BELL--

Wol Euler: well, they might have rezzed one for you to jion them
Alfred Kelberry: woly ist eine madchen
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, ggod point
Zen Arado: a threesome
Wol Euler: echt?
Wol Euler: ach was
Zen Arado: never tried that
Alfred Kelberry: um...
Agatha Macbeth: Thought mädchen is neuter?
Alfred Kelberry: fem
Wol Euler: technically yes, it's complicated
Wol Euler: neutral but used for girls
Alfred Kelberry: das madchen
Wol Euler: yep
Agatha Macbeth: I know the word for child in Scandinavian languages is neuter
Agatha Macbeth: Odd
Alfred Kelberry: neat
Alfred Kelberry: how do you know that?
Agatha Macbeth: I read a lot
Alfred Kelberry: oh
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: No life
Alfred Kelberry: what book is that?
Wol Euler pokes you.
Agatha Macbeth: All of them I think ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: write about swedish kids? :)
Agatha Macbeth: Swedish, Danish, Norwegian...
Agatha Macbeth: probably Icelandic too
Wol Euler: what's the name of that scandiwegian author of detective stories? Malmöö?
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Wol Euler: probably where you read it
Alfred Kelberry: sadly, no suomi :/
Agatha Macbeth: Malmö is a city I think
Wol Euler: well, whatever :)
Alfred Kelberry: agreed
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Wol Euler: him, you know, that one.
Agatha Macbeth: Oh right, him
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: you mean zen?
Agatha Macbeth tries to think of a swedish author
Alfred Kelberry: tore janson
Zen Arado: forget too
Agatha Macbeth: Thought she was Finnish?
Zen Arado: read all 3 of them too
Zen Arado: Stieg Larson?
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, could be
Wol Euler: .
Alfred Kelberry: ..
Zen Arado: The Girl with the dragon tatoo'
Alfred Kelberry: ..
Alfred Kelberry: .
Agatha Macbeth: Where?
Alfred Kelberry: kori, i think
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Alfred Kelberry: *runs his paw along woly's back* :)
Agatha Macbeth: You're being dogged :p
Wol Euler shivers
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: question: do you think apple will keep up its glory without jobs?
Wol Euler shrugs
Wol Euler: maybe
Wol Euler: on the other hand no company keeps its glory forever, even *with* its original CEOs
Wol Euler points to Oracle, Sun, HP, Ford, Sony ...
Alfred Kelberry: yea
Agatha Macbeth: The FBI
Wol Euler: them too
Agatha Macbeth: :p
Alfred Kelberry: oracle is full of money. they don't need glory :)
Agatha Macbeth: They can have the glory, I'll have the money...
Wol Euler: you didn't ask whether apple would remain profitable :-P
Alfred Kelberry: it was assumed :)
Wol Euler: ah
Agatha Macbeth: When you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME
Wol Euler: so I should know to address teh assumptoin behind your question, not the question itself
Alfred Kelberry: also, will facebook become the internet 2?
Wol Euler: no
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Agatha Macbeth: How about the internet 1?
Alfred Kelberry: we're in it
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Alfred Kelberry: *acts smart*
Agatha Macbeth: Thought that was RL
Alfred Kelberry: incorrect
Agatha Macbeth: My mistook
Alfred Kelberry: this is the internet 1
Agatha Macbeth: shoot me at your leisure
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: you're too valuable of an ass... asset :)
Agatha Macbeth: Moi?
Alfred Kelberry: *sniffs aga's flowers*
Agatha Macbeth: (again)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, i know a few pup commands
Wol Euler grins
Alfred Kelberry: so...
Agatha Macbeth: Sit?
Alfred Kelberry: nope
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Wol Euler: heel?
Wol Euler: fetch?
Alfred Kelberry: sitz
Agatha Macbeth: Roll over?

--BELL--

Zen Arado: I better go
Zen Arado: bye all
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Bye zen, paint well
Wol Euler: goodnight zen, take care
Wol Euler: enjoy the weekend
Alfred Kelberry: tschuss :)
Zen Arado: thanks you too
Alfred Kelberry: 4 consonants
Alfred Kelberry: ok, also...
Alfred Kelberry: gib laut
Alfred Kelberry: platz
Alfred Kelberry: gib pfoten
Agatha Macbeth: Barry Gibb laut?
Alfred Kelberry: bei fus
Agatha Macbeth: schnell schnell
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: learned all that today at the german meeting
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
Agatha Macbeth: Mrawwwww...
Alfred Kelberry: forgot the word for a little table
Agatha Macbeth: The night is dark and still...
Alfred Kelberry: ends with -lein
Wol Euler: tischlein
Alfred Kelberry: yep!
Alfred Kelberry: and even google doens't know this one
Agatha Macbeth: Google knows all
Wol Euler: well, it's not really a word, it's a dialect construction
Alfred Kelberry: so it's... das tischlein
Alfred Kelberry: along with -chen
Agatha Macbeth: Diminutive
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: though there is a difference. -lein is just small, -chen is cute and sweet
Agatha Macbeth: Like me :)
Agatha Macbeth: [cough]
Wol Euler: exactly.
Agatha Macbeth: Aggerschen
Wol Euler: agilein
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Alfred Kelberry: yes, diminutive
Alfred Kelberry: thank you ms. aga girl
Agatha Macbeth: Boxychen
Alfred Kelberry: woly, ah... interesting distinction
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Alfred Kelberry: a box made in china
Agatha Macbeth: Ah so
Wol Euler: well, it just sounds better. one would be more likely to say aggilein than -chen
Alfred Kelberry: like fraulein
Agatha Macbeth: Close
Alfred Kelberry: bingo!
Agatha Macbeth: Who won?
Alfred Kelberry: woly?
Agatha Macbeth: As always...
Wol Euler: mm?
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Wol Euler: ah
Alfred Kelberry: wolein
Agatha Macbeth: What's an electric elitist?
Wol Euler: something boxy said
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Wol Euler: *eclectic
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Agatha Macbeth: Elite and plugged in eh?
Wol Euler: yep :)
Alfred Kelberry: eclectic!
Agatha Macbeth: That too
Alfred Kelberry: woly, teach me german. come on.
Alfred Kelberry: i'm ready
Wol Euler: okay
Wol Euler: elephant = elefant
Alfred Kelberry: ich liebe wolien
Wol Euler: no :)
Wol Euler: -lein
Alfred Kelberry: eh
Wol Euler: e before i
Agatha Macbeth: He'll never remember that!
Wol Euler: but you would also add it to the name, wolilein
Alfred Kelberry: lien is so tempting
Wol Euler: wol-i-lein
Korel Laloix: Almost time to leave... then off on my camping trip.
Wol Euler: oh nice!
Wol Euler: have fun, avoid the bears
Agatha Macbeth: Camp well K
Alfred Kelberry: cool
Korel Laloix: I will.
Alfred Kelberry: tirp well in german?
Agatha Macbeth: Listen out for bells
Wol Euler: heheh
Alfred Kelberry: trippel gut
Alfred Kelberry: no n
Alfred Kelberry: i guess
Alfred Kelberry: *pokes woly*
Wol Euler: trippeln is the verb, but it means ... skipping, I think
Wol Euler: jumping about like frogs or lambs
Alfred Kelberry: stolpern?

--BELL--

Wol Euler: means trip as in "fall over"
Alfred Kelberry: meh
Alfred Kelberry: tanzeln!
Wol Euler: dancing about (but not actually "dancing")
Alfred Kelberry: grr
Wol Euler: metaphorical dancing, like Muhamad Ali in the boxing ring
Alfred Kelberry: i'm running out of options
Agatha Macbeth: Float like a butterfly
Alfred Kelberry: bein stellen?
Wol Euler: to trip somebody up, put your leg across their path to trip them
Alfred Kelberry: damn
Alfred Kelberry: so how do you *trip* camping in german?
Agatha Macbeth: Or acid?
Wol Euler: that is a "trip" :)
Wol Euler: in german
Alfred Kelberry: well, guess you could use any word
Alfred Kelberry: right
Alfred Kelberry: like in "trip well"
Wol Euler: camping trip? I think people would just say "wir gehen camping"
Agatha Macbeth: Trip out
Alfred Kelberry: trip in
Wol Euler: trip well could only be said about drugs in english
Wol Euler: unless you were talking to a movie stuntman
Alfred Kelberry: i know :)
Agatha Macbeth: Or a footballer
Alfred Kelberry: i mean the woly way
Alfred Kelberry: box well
Alfred Kelberry: etc
Alfred Kelberry: i like your belly button, woly
Alfred Kelberry: *pushes softly*
Agatha Macbeth: DING!
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Wol Euler giggles
Alfred Kelberry: you guys are funny
Agatha Macbeth: Can't argue with that dear boxy
Alfred Kelberry: sie eine lustig?
Alfred Kelberry: *pokes woly*
Wol Euler: eeep
Alfred Kelberry: lustig sounds gut
Wol Euler: lüstig
Alfred Kelberry: ja, ja... lust
Wol Euler: *ist*
Alfred Kelberry: ig
Wol Euler: sie ist lüstig
Alfred Kelberry: ah
Alfred Kelberry: wait, i want plural
Wol Euler: they are?
Wol Euler: sie sind lüstig
Alfred Kelberry: ah, right, sie will do
Alfred Kelberry: or not
Alfred Kelberry: can i say sie ist lustig to several people?
Wol Euler: one after the other
Alfred Kelberry: meh
Alfred Kelberry: sind then
Wol Euler: but note that you are saying that *about* people, not to them
Wol Euler: she is funny
Wol Euler: not you are funny
Alfred Kelberry: sie is you
Wol Euler: no, Sie is formal-you
Wol Euler: sie is "they"
Agatha Macbeth: and she
Wol Euler: Sie sind lüstig
Wol Euler: is formal-you are funny
Alfred Kelberry: ok, how do i say "guys, you're funny"
Wol Euler: leute, ihr seit witzig
Wol Euler: :-P
Alfred Kelberry: i don't like you
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: sorry
Wol Euler grins
Alfred Kelberry: where did it come from?
Agatha Macbeth: No need for that! [hehe]
Wol Euler: ihr seit lüstig
Wol Euler: informal-you plural is "ihr"
Alfred Kelberry: ok
Alfred Kelberry: seit?
Wol Euler: sind -> seit
Wol Euler: second person plural informal present tense
Alfred Kelberry: ah
Alfred Kelberry: what's second singular?
Wol Euler: du
Wol Euler: du bist lüstig
Alfred Kelberry: ok, then why witzig?
Wol Euler: lüstig means cheerful; witzig means humourous
Alfred Kelberry: hmm
Agatha Macbeth: brb - toilet
Alfred Kelberry: ok, what's present continuous?
Alfred Kelberry: ich bin shrhiben
Wol Euler: mmmmm, probably identical to normal present. there is no explicit future tense either, you distinguish it by context

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: ok
Alfred Kelberry: so, ich schreibe
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: can mean either right now, or what do you do for a living
Wol Euler: both time-senses work
Alfred Kelberry: past: ich shreib (losing the e - is it a rule?)
Wol Euler: ich schrieb (i before e)
Wol Euler: which is a literary form
Wol Euler: normally you'd say "ich habe geschrieben"
Alfred Kelberry: i wrote
Alfred Kelberry: hmm
Agatha Macbeth: back
Wol Euler: wb
Agatha Macbeth: ty
Alfred Kelberry: how did it go?
Agatha Macbeth: Down the pan :p
Alfred Kelberry: good aim :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, it helps I find
Alfred Kelberry: what is "habe" exacty?
Agatha Macbeth: Makes a hell of a mess on the floor else
Alfred Kelberry: woly is in a teachers' mode
Wol Euler: "have"
Agatha Macbeth: Bless her
Wol Euler: I have, in fact
Alfred Kelberry: neat
Alfred Kelberry: i have = ich habe
Wol Euler: yep
Alfred Kelberry: what's with the ge prefix?
Alfred Kelberry: geschrieben
Wol Euler: generic past-tense construction
Agatha Macbeth: Past participle
Wol Euler: that too
Alfred Kelberry: ah, participle
Agatha Macbeth: Anglo-saxon had it too
Alfred Kelberry: no, past is schrieb
Wol Euler: both are
Wol Euler: there's a literary form and a colloquial form
Wol Euler: ich schrieb
Wol Euler: ich habe geschrieben
Agatha Macbeth: Like French?
Wol Euler: I guess, can't remember
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Alfred Kelberry: when is literally form used?
Wol Euler: in formal writing
Wol Euler: only
Wol Euler: never in speech
Wol Euler: not even by politicians
Alfred Kelberry: like law documents?
Wol Euler: possibly
Alfred Kelberry: is the ge prefix a rule?
Wol Euler: yep
Alfred Kelberry: neat
Alfred Kelberry: so...
Agatha Macbeth: But you don't use it with verbs that end in -ieren I think?
Alfred Kelberry: ich habe getrinken?
Wol Euler: getrunken
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Strong verb
Alfred Kelberry: ah, like drunk
Agatha Macbeth: yep
Alfred Kelberry: drank
Wol Euler: yes, true
Wol Euler: (aggers)
Agatha Macbeth: Only one of me :)
Alfred Kelberry: aga! you speak german?
Agatha Macbeth: Sorta
Alfred Kelberry: cool
Alfred Kelberry: say something
Agatha Macbeth: Guten abend Boxy
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: not acht yet?
Agatha Macbeth: Way after acht where i am :p
Agatha Macbeth: Nearly mittenacht :)
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Wol Euler: well after mittenacht
Agatha Macbeth: give or take half an hour
Alfred Kelberry: woly madchen
Wol Euler: mädchen :)
Wol Euler: if you want to get it right
Agatha Macbeth: Don't forget yer umlaut Boxy
Alfred Kelberry: ok, if we do this every day, i'll be fluent in a year, woly :)
Alfred Kelberry: don't have them here, aga :)
Agatha Macbeth: Neither do we :p
Wol Euler: sure
Agatha Macbeth: I just happen to know the unicode symbols
Alfred Kelberry: which layout do you use, woly?
Alfred Kelberry: aga! advanced madchen you
Wol Euler: layout?
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Alfred Kelberry: german keyboard
Wol Euler: qwertzuiopü
Wol Euler: top row
Wol Euler: asdfghjklöä
Wol Euler: middle row
Alfred Kelberry: is it german or german ibm?
Wol Euler: yxcvbnm bottom row
Wol Euler: oh, no idea. german german
Wol Euler shrugs
Agatha Macbeth: where's the ß?
Wol Euler: numbers, next to 0
Agatha Macbeth: right
Wol Euler: 1234567890ß
Agatha Macbeth: Ah

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: i don't like this layout
Agatha Macbeth: danke schön
Alfred Kelberry: is there an anglicized one?
Alfred Kelberry: aha, think i found it
Agatha Macbeth stretches
Alfred Kelberry: y-z swap is silly
Alfred Kelberry: grr
Wol Euler shrugs
Agatha Macbeth: think I'll leave you pair to your German lesson
Alfred Kelberry: aww
Alfred Kelberry: *grabs aga's foot*
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: Nyaa
Wol Euler: goodngiht aggers, take care
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: see you tomorrow at fracture?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes indeed :)
Alfred Kelberry: ja, gehen?
Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut ♥
Wol Euler: dir auch y3
Wol Euler: ♥
Alfred Kelberry: yes, indeed in german?
Wol Euler: ja, tatsächlich
Alfred Kelberry: mädchen!
Alfred Kelberry: crap, where is the semicolon/!"§$§)=)%$(
Alfred Kelberry: :::
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Alfred Kelberry: :=)))(
Alfred Kelberry: damn, all emicons are f*cked
Alfred Kelberry: ß
Alfred Kelberry: ? found it!!!
Alfred Kelberry: ???????
Alfred Kelberry: hä!
Alfred Kelberry: wölz
Alfred Kelberry: wöly
Wol Euler: heheh
Alfred Kelberry: böxy
Alfred Kelberry: sö, höw äre yöu?
Alfred Kelberry: *shows off*
Alfred Kelberry: ich wollen tee?
Wol Euler: no
Wol Euler: :)
Alfred Kelberry: grr
Wol Euler: do you want it now?
Wol Euler: or wanted it (but no longer)
Alfred Kelberry: zep
Wol Euler: ich will tee (but that is very rude, you'd have to be king to say that)
Wol Euler: ich möchte tee
Alfred Kelberry: ha! whz is that?
Wol Euler: I would like some tea
Alfred Kelberry: so, zou cant even saz it to someone?
Alfred Kelberry: as a statement
Wol Euler: it is veyr rude to say it like that, but it is technically correct
Alfred Kelberry: meh
Alfred Kelberry: danke
Alfred Kelberry: so a boss generallz doesnt saz ich will this and that done?
Wol Euler: only if he is pissed off and giving orders in anger
Wol Euler: as I said: it#s rude
Alfred Kelberry: ah
Alfred Kelberry: interesting
Alfred Kelberry: germans are polite :)

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: how about the difference between "i want this done" and "i need this to be done"?
Alfred Kelberry: is there a less rude "need" address?
Wol Euler: brauche
Wol Euler: ich brauche ...
Alfred Kelberry: also, did zour boss ever saz ich will this done? :)
Wol Euler: maybe, I don#t remember
Wol Euler: just trust me, okay?
Alfred Kelberry: ich brauche is not rude?
Wol Euler: no
Alfred Kelberry: i do wollein .)
Alfred Kelberry: ich brauche tee bitter - ok?
Alfred Kelberry: as in möchte, but more demanding, correct?
Wol Euler: bitte, if you mean "please"
Alfred Kelberry: zes
Wol Euler: yes, but it#s a bit bare
Wol Euler: correct, but we wouldn't say it that way
Wol Euler: it's not offensive, but it sounds odd
Alfred Kelberry: how would zou saz
Wol Euler: I'd say "I would like some tea please"
Wol Euler: ich möchte etwas tee, bitte
Alfred Kelberry: no, wish brauche
Wol Euler: möchte is very polite wanting ;)
Alfred Kelberry: with
Wol Euler: brauche is a bit emphatic for this
Wol Euler: ich brauche a blood transfusion else I will die
Wol Euler: that fits
Wol Euler: but nobody needs tea that badly :)
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Alfred Kelberry: ok, when is the next lesson?
Alfred Kelberry: tomorrow morning?
Wol Euler: heh
Alfred Kelberry: agreed :)
Wol Euler: let's play it by ear, okay?
Alfred Kelberry: what happened to "organize everything"? :)
Wol Euler: this isn't a retreat :-P
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Wol Euler: and it isn't a weekend long
Wol Euler: and it doesn't involve two 5-hour train rides
Alfred Kelberry: 5 hours on a train is fun
Wol Euler: sure, but it is five hours
Alfred Kelberry: it's not like 7 days :)
Alfred Kelberry: from east to west
Alfred Kelberry: fun too though
Alfred Kelberry: well
Wol Euler: ,,h,,
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Alfred Kelberry: time to poof
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: me too
Wol Euler: goodnight, boxy
Alfred Kelberry: guten acht wollein madchen
Wol Euler: gute nahct, boxy-boy
Alfred Kelberry: danke schon for lehren
Alfred Kelberry: or something
Wol Euler: heheh
Wol Euler: gerne geschehen
Alfred Kelberry: eek :)
Alfred Kelberry: ok, auf :)
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!