The Guardian for this meeting was Lucinda Lavender. The comments are by Lucinda Lavender.Attending were Eliza, Zen, nanomilano and Aphrodite.

Eliza Madrigal: Morning, Luci :)
Lucinda Lavender: HI Eliza...it will not let me sit
Eliza Madrigal: how strange, yes it throws you to the edges....
Lucinda Lavender: maybe beause of the grass
Eliza Madrigal: am trying to remember how to remove the grass now... hm :)
Eliza Madrigal: Well, a small circle it is :)))
Lucinda Lavender: this works:)
Lucinda Lavender: I like this too:)
Eliza Madrigal: Nice for a change :)
Lucinda Lavender: how are you?
--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: fairly well. Thanks for the notes and clarifications on the wiki
Lucinda Lavender: Well I was hoping my removal of part of it was ok
Eliza Madrigal: oh sure, whatever you are comfortable with
Eliza Madrigal: I've been amazed by how flexible dream circle as been in collaborating with PaB
Eliza Madrigal: *has
Lucinda Lavender: I would like to remove that ceremonial part on the first page as well
Lucinda Lavender: what do you think?
Eliza Madrigal: oh, sure, though I think that the background gives a richness
Lucinda Lavender: I will see if I can edit part of that...to me that part does not sound light...
Eliza Madrigal: here, we practice a kind of taste or fragment of the whole picture of the circle as you practice in your 'tradition'
Eliza Madrigal: so that might be a nice way to frame it
Lucinda Lavender: ok
Eliza Madrigal: I trust your instincts about it though :)
Lucinda Lavender: it seemed like I had several thing on several pages and that it was confusing in the difference of the tone
Eliza Madrigal nods, yes a bit
Eliza Madrigal: we were pulling info together on the fly
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Lucinda Lavender: yes. had not done it and got kind into it as a first time
Lucinda Lavender: then later in retrospect thought that if people can just follow the format that might be expecting alot
Eliza Madrigal: for something to be satisfying, it seems to be worthwhile to take time to learn about it over the course of a few sessions at least
Lucinda Lavender: yes. I won't take all out...just lighten it up a bit
Eliza Madrigal: :) Sure
Eliza Madrigal: How are you otherwise?
Lucinda Lavender: well ok...very busy week with three parties at school, disco dancing etc
Lucinda Lavender: and choir and dream circle
Lucinda Lavender: and more cider pressing on sunday
Lucinda Lavender: how about you?
Eliza Madrigal: My favorite time of year...
Eliza Madrigal: seems every day I walk out and think it is the *most* beautiful day so far
Lucinda Lavender: lovely!!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aphrodite !
Lucinda Lavender: Hi aphrodite:)
Eliza Madrigal: If we are a small group we may have try a flexible form ?
Lucinda Lavender: sure...
Eliza Madrigal: Aph, Luci had trouble sitting this morning too... wonder what's up :)
Eliza Madrigal: electric grass
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Eliza, Cinda. I have a very slow connection so excuse my jerkiness
Eliza Madrigal: no worries at all Aph
Lucinda Lavender: it is fine aph!
Aphrodite Macbain: Do you both have beautiful weather too?
Lucinda Lavender: this is the usual slot for dream circle so lets see...it is still dark here:) not sure
Aphrodite Macbain: It is a brilliant blue sky day here with the trees all golden and red
Aphrodite Macbain: in Toronto
Lucinda Lavender: lovely!
Eliza Madrigal: mmmmmm
Eliza Madrigal: Here the day is soft and the leaves not so bright, still, blue and pleasant
Aphrodite Macbain: Today I fly to Ottawa to see my family for 5 days
Lucinda Lavender: that sounds exciting!!
Aphrodite Macbain: and I'll be flying over maple trees
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: sounds like a dream to me!
Aphrodite Macbain: My favourite time of year
Eliza Madrigal: mine as well.... and lovely to celebrate your birthday during favored season :))
Lucinda Lavender: for many people I think...
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes! My birthday cakes were always chocolate with orange icing-to match the season
Aphrodite Macbain: It was great meeting Paradise yesterday-in the flesh
--BELL--

Lucinda Lavender: I bet so ...what a great opportunity
Eliza Madrigal: I was thinking that dream circle form would work with all kinds of things... with stories, memories, poems, impressions... the heart seems to be keeping or guarding the the spiraling space :) Would love to hear impressions of Paradise, Aph :))
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Zen :))
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Zen:)
Aphrodite Macbain: I can offer impressions but not dreams-which I never seem to remember
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Zen
Zen Arado: Hi Eliza, Aph, Luci :)
Lucinda Lavender: this is usually a dream circle time sport for the month but we are taking that lightly...
Aphrodite Macbain: I do remember walking around the periphey of my carpet, in carefully measured steps
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm
Lucinda Lavender: in a dream Aph?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes in a dream
Lucinda Lavender: Hello Nanomilano...
nanomilano Resident: hi all
Aphrodite Macbain: a form of meditation within a dream
Zen Arado: Hi Nano
Lucinda Lavender: have you been here before?
nanomilano Resident: yes some months before
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you again Nano :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I like your name naomilano!
Lucinda Lavender: ah ok:)
nanomilano Resident: and a year ago as barcalona rhapsody
Zen Arado: ah
Aphrodite Macbain: ah yes, i remember
Lucinda Lavender: oh of course...
Eliza Madrigal: hmm, we might each share an 'impression' that comes up to mind, one at a time, as we would in a dream circle...
Aphrodite Macbain: you move from Country to country
nanomilano Resident: sure
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: but like Qatar :)
nanomilano Resident: sure
Aphrodite Macbain: Spain, Italy... where's next?
nanomilano Resident: qatar
Aphrodite Macbain: /savours the name Qatar
nanomilano Resident: sure
nanomilano Resident: in sl 3
nanomilano Resident: now i am in sl 2
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Lucinda Lavender: I do not know about SL 3...
nanomilano Resident: it stood on the top of my screen
Aphrodite Macbain: I should go and pack. I'll be home next Friday and my reception will be better
nanomilano Resident: that i could download sl 3.x
Eliza Madrigal: Happy travels and birthday, Aphrodite :)
Lucinda Lavender: ah...nice to see you tho Aph
nanomilano Resident: bye aph
Zen Arado: bye Aph
Zen Arado: travel well:)
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! everyone
Lucinda Lavender: so..in this seesion shall we look at a few impressions as you suggested Eliza
Lucinda Lavender: ?
Lucinda Lavender: do you have one?
Eliza Madrigal: sure... could be from dreams as well I suppose?
Lucinda Lavender: yes..
Lucinda Lavender: and we can go in order for responses...counter clockwise...
nanomilano Resident: ok
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: fun to do when it is not the usual...
Eliza Madrigal: indeed
nanomilano Resident: ok
Lucinda Lavender: thanks:)
Eliza Madrigal: for me, I seem to be considering grass this morning... and underlying connectiveness
Eliza Madrigal: how it appears that each blade stands alone
Eliza Madrigal: (done - pass to Zen)
Zen Arado: hmmm
Zen Arado: I'm seeing all life as a dream lately
Zen Arado: losing its solidity for me
Zen Arado: maybe I'm going bonkers
Zen Arado: Nano
Eliza Madrigal: :)
nanomilano Resident: ok i read a book about grass lately
nanomilano Resident: how grass can benefit from its grazers
nanomilano Resident: to lucinda
Lucinda Lavender: :))
Eliza Madrigal: :)
--BELL--

Lucinda Lavender: the grass whether alone or part of a carpet...is truly an interesting image...dream to go back and forth between vierwing as alone and viewing as one of a group
Lucinda Lavender: you seeing, beeing seeing...
Lucinda Lavender: pass to Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, nice to continue... benefitting from its grazers... seems wu wei... like, one doesn't have to run and figure out how to give....
Eliza Madrigal: Kafka's quote....
Eliza Madrigal: and Mary Oliver's Wild Geese...
Eliza Madrigal: Enoughness and Rest
Eliza Madrigal: (Zen)
Zen Arado: every blade of grass different and unique
Zen Arado: just content to be grass
Zen Arado: not comparing how tall it is compared to other blades :)
Zen Arado: nana
Zen Arado: nano I mean
Eliza Madrigal smiles
nanomilano Resident: graas will not grow by pulling it
nanomilano Resident: grass
nanomilano Resident: the author of the book of grass benefit of grazers was geraet vermey
nanomilano Resident: pass to lucinda
Lucinda Lavender: I thnk about how it grows...will extend itself with water and sunlight...
Lucinda Lavender: it's green ness moving up each blade pass to Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: moving greenness....what a wonderful image...
Zen Arado: brn phone
Eliza Madrigal: I like Zen's pointing to not comparing... so so difficult sometimes...
Eliza Madrigal: to look around and feel one is supposed to be somewhere they are not, doing something they are not, in some way they haven't yet figured out how to do
nanomilano Resident: each grass is unique
Eliza Madrigal: *not look
Eliza Madrigal: yes.... dreams are often comforting to me when I'm most anxious like this... striving...
Eliza Madrigal: can relax into something more satisfying, a greater whole
Eliza Madrigal: (done)
Lucinda Lavender: Luci thinks about the fear...the projection of an image with separation...
Lucinda Lavender: I struggle with this when I sense others judge me
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm, nodding
nanomilano Resident: i can see
Zen Arado: bk
nanomilano Resident: or imagine
Eliza Madrigal: that's when we feel we need to prove/defend/exert independence
Eliza Madrigal: or even the projection of it :)
Eliza Madrigal: like birds puffing themselves up
nanomilano Resident: but u can loose that feeling by loosing that idea of having to proove soething
nanomilano Resident: something
Lucinda Lavender: noddingLuci is thinking about what heals fear...
Zen Arado: yeh we are all just doing our thing
Eliza Madrigal: trust
nanomilano Resident: sure
Zen Arado: no right way
Zen Arado: each a unique expression of nature like every blade of grass
Eliza Madrigal: different sorts of rewards for different sorts of work it seems, different seeds, different plants and flowers
nanomilano Resident: well stated zen
Zen Arado: we still passing?
Eliza Madrigal: I think we're blending now :)
Lucinda Lavender: sure:)
Zen Arado: kk:)
nanomilano Resident: what means kk ?
Zen Arado: ok
nanomilano Resident: ok
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: too lazy to type different letters :)
--BELL--

Lucinda Lavender: I have been thinking about fear and communication...how communication could heal fear through a view that gets more expanded...will have to go open up the chickens for a moment but will be right back
Eliza Madrigal: expanded view and context...
Zen Arado: fear when we need to fear? don't when we don't need to
nanomilano Resident: geraet vermey had a most widely view and most wide historical context
nanomilano Resident: wide context can make fearsome too
Zen Arado: does grass fear the cutter?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: what's that saying about tall grass getting chopped sooner?
nanomilano Resident: ok zen u have a point
Eliza Madrigal: is all fear, fear of death?
Lucinda Lavender: back:)
nanomilano Resident: no fear of life exist too
nanomilano Resident: but grass has no fear
Eliza Madrigal: I suppose I fear sometimes that my heart will never stop breaking, no matter how happy I am
Zen Arado: 'it's good to touch the green green grass of home ' Tom Jones :)
nanomilano Resident: mmm
nanomilano Resident: and smelling the just cut grass
Eliza Madrigal: mmmmm
Zen Arado: heartache inevitable?
Eliza Madrigal: yes underlying heartbreak
Zen Arado: if we live we get hurt
Lucinda Lavender: thinking of fear and separation...and love that smell of the lawn...and hearache...that is a hard one...
nanomilano Resident: headache ?
nanomilano Resident: or heartacke /
Eliza Madrigal: and if we try not to live our heart breaks for what we never know
Lucinda Lavender: heartache
nanomilano Resident: ?
nanomilano Resident: ok
nanomilano Resident: lets heal the heart
Eliza Madrigal: on and on :) maybe heartbreaking is life itself
Zen Arado: 'stay with your broken heart' Pema Chodron
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
Lucinda Lavender: well sometimes we are trying to make a bigger box for ourselves...my boss ways...yearn for new experience
Lucinda Lavender: my boss says
Zen Arado: 'To stay with that shakiness—to stay with a broken heart, with a rumbling stomach, with the feeling of hopelessness and wanting to get revenge—that is the path of true awakening. '
Eliza Madrigal: beautiful quote, Zen
Lucinda Lavender: Luci has been experiencing this Zen at her work some
Eliza Madrigal listens
nanomilano Resident: well stated zen
Lucinda Lavender: how to not react yet feel when someting feels threatening...a tone of voice
Zen Arado: why not react?
Lucinda Lavender: found myself mimicing a tone of voice in anger the other day!!!
Eliza Madrigal: 'lie down like a rotting log' practice... so that natural response arises instead of something distorted by one's emotion
Lucinda Lavender: really stressful
Eliza Madrigal: Aw
Eliza Madrigal: amazing isn't it
Zen Arado: from a rotting log a flower blooms
Eliza Madrigal: :) Zen
Eliza Madrigal: (((luci)))
Lucinda Lavender: truly a challenge
Lucinda Lavender: everyone on the floor heard me
Zen Arado: can we be unnatural?
Zen Arado: being unnatural is natural :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Luci... also can't keep it inside I suppose... times to 'not be good'
nanomilano Resident: the same as inhuman
Zen Arado: unless there is a 'right' way
Lucinda Lavender: in looking at the bigger picture I saw that after a concert my boundaries are down...and anyone usuing a loud voice to communicate is a button pushing experience
Eliza Madrigal: oooohhh
Lucinda Lavender: very interesting to navigate when I hear voices that seem too strident
--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: seems a helpful noticing Luci... you are more wide open/sensitive then I guess
Lucinda Lavender: nodding
Eliza Madrigal: insides on the outsides
Zen Arado: you notice...you are less likely to do next time
Lucinda Lavender: yes...will be noticing ...
Zen Arado: or noticing you didn't notice...
nanomilano Resident: oh
Zen Arado: so noticing next time again :)
Lucinda Lavender: things creep up on us
Lucinda Lavender: or appear to
Zen Arado: The story goes that a monk asked Abba Sisoius, “What am I to do since I have fallen?” The Abba replied, “Get up.” “I did get up, but I fell again,” the monk told him. “Get up again,” said the Abba. “I did, but I must admit that I fell once again. So what should I do?” “Never fall down without getting up,” the Abba concluded.
Eliza Madrigal: we don't always know what is 'best'
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Zen Arado: yeh no best no right way
Eliza Madrigal: I have a friend whose favorite delight is if I curse about something.. haha... it is a gift to her when I am most angry... finds me too composed :))
nanomilano Resident: sure
Zen Arado: makes her feel better
Zen Arado: :)
Lucinda Lavender: to create a flow in which standing up is the next thing after falling
Eliza Madrigal smiles
nanomilano Resident: grass also comes up when trapped down
Lucinda Lavender: no stoping and getting stuck there
Lucinda Lavender: can grow through the concerete:)
Eliza Madrigal: mmmmmmm
nanomilano Resident: mmm
Zen Arado: such power
Lucinda Lavender: takes strong chemicals to stop the grass...
Zen Arado: grows through concrete
Zen Arado: well some might
Lucinda Lavender: ooops I must go...carry on and great day to all:)
nanomilano Resident: evaluates to a species that cannot be eaten
Eliza Madrigal: and teams of scientists trying to figure out how ... seems to just keep going
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Luci, have a lovely day
nanomilano Resident: bye
nanomilano Resident: i have to eat now
Lucinda Lavender: thanks for this time
Zen Arado: 'Miscanthus x giganteus is a large perennial grass that can grow to a height of over four metres. It is grown in the UK and elsewhere in Europe and for several years there has been intense research into its potential as a biomass crop. It reproduces by underground stems (rhizomes) and is considered to be an environmentally friendly crop due to its large root system, which captures nutrients, and its stems, which provide wildlife cover'
Zen Arado: bye Luci
nanomilano Resident: it wasgreat
nanomilano Resident: bye
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Nano
Zen Arado: bye nano
Eliza Madrigal: large root sytem :))
Zen Arado: yep
Zen Arado: interconnectivity :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Zen Arado: nice session
Eliza Madrigal: indeed, stretching and traveling into the day
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: travelling into the evening :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: thank you Zen
Zen Arado: thank you Eliza :)
Zen Arado: bye
Eliza Madrigal: bye for a bit :)