The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Wol Euler: hello aggers, korel
Agatha Macbeth: Good evening :)
Agatha Macbeth: Is Korel with us or away?

No answer
Agatha Macbeth: Away it would seem
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: ah well :)
Korel Laloix: IN and out, sorry.  (aha!)
Agatha Macbeth: Osiyo my dear :)
Wol Euler: did you get the notice about Bryn Oh's newest opening?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, A took a quick look actually
Wol Euler: ah :)
Wol Euler: watching the machinima in anohter window
Agatha Macbeth: As with all Bryn's builds a bit enigmatic in terms of navigation :P
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: She is certainly something else, that's for sure
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler grins.
Wol Euler: ooh, that's a nice outfit
Agatha Macbeth: Just bought it...only 89L
Wol Euler: huh
Agatha Macbeth: Freebie Galaxy (so called)
Wol Euler: brb, tea
Agatha Macbeth: 14th floor
Agatha Macbeth: It's a big place
Korel Laloix: I get a lot of my stuff for free from the SL online marketplace thing.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes, I go there often :)
Korel Laloix: The freebee places are usually too lagged for me to use.
Agatha Macbeth: You can find some good stuff on there
Agatha Macbeth: Well freebie galaxy is horrendous
Agatha Macbeth: and it has 15 floors :(
Agatha Macbeth: Must be the laggiest sim in SL
Agatha Macbeth: Mind you, there are often as many as 50 avs there so....
Wol Euler: ty, I'll have a look
Agatha Macbeth: wb
Wol Euler: ty
Wol Euler: hello santo
Santoshima Resident: hello girls
Agatha Macbeth: I was just telling Korel what a laggy place it is
Agatha Macbeth: Hi San
Santoshima Resident: it is
Wol Euler: lovely origami necklace :)
Santoshima Resident: hi
Santoshima Resident: ty
Santoshima Resident: i'll send a notecard if can find
    --BELL--
Wol Euler: great, ty
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry to be repetitive, but how do you do that colour change thing with tags again pls?
Agatha Macbeth: Phoenix is playing silly buggers with me again
Wol Euler: edit/prefs/phoenix/page 1/tags
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks
Santoshima Resident: oh dear ... what's she doing aggers?
Wol Euler: that :)
Santoshima Resident: hmm?
Wol Euler: changed the colour of her nametag (above her head)
Santoshima Resident: oh ... hm not paying attention
Agatha Macbeth: Right, at least I have it on record to refer back to now...
Wol Euler smiles.
Santoshima Resident: :)
Wol Euler: I might not have noticed, I usually have the chat window pulled down to just above our heads
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, how come?
Santoshima Resident: fits the screen better?
Agatha Macbeth: Would be interesting to see screen shots of peoples' viewers to see how they individually configure them
Wol Euler: I like to have a history of conversation to follow
Wol Euler: well, that should be easy :)
Santoshima Resident: yes, aggers was thinking the same recently
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we could have an Art as Viewer project? :P
Santoshima Resident: yeah
Agatha Macbeth: I'm sure Bleu could swing it!
Wol Euler: there is an optoin on the screen shot dialog to include UI and HUDs in the image
Santoshima Resident: oh?
Wol Euler: at least in phoenix
Santoshima Resident: checking now
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Wol Euler: hello boxboy
Santoshima Resident: hey boxy
Alfred Kelberry: girrrls :)
Agatha Macbeth: You know, your screen is almost a mirror image of mine [grin]
Alfred Kelberry: all good looking and sexy
Wol Euler grins.
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Alfred
Agatha Macbeth: I changed the skin tho, hate the default
Alfred Kelberry: oh my, new boots, aga
Wol Euler: giz a look, then :)
Alfred Kelberry: all leathered up :)
Agatha Macbeth: One thing I really like about Phoenix, there are plenty to choose from
Wol Euler: actually I never bothered to look at any :)
Agatha Macbeth: Er...how does one do it?
Wol Euler: just kept the default
Wol Euler: take a snapshot :)
Agatha Macbeth: Of?
Wol Euler: but before pressing the "go" button, check the "include UI" and "include HUDs" options
Santoshima Resident: wol, is there a different name for "screen shot dialog" on the tabs in phoenix preferences?
Wol Euler: whatever you look at, just like any snapshot :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear, this sounds complicated
Wol Euler: no, just take a perfectly normal screenshot
Wol Euler: like you always do
Wol Euler: ctrl-shift-s
Wol Euler: hello storm!
Storm Nordwind: Hi all
Alfred Kelberry: stormy boy :)
Wol Euler: that opens up a dialog, right?
Agatha Macbeth: But that doesn't show the Viewer does it?
Santoshima Resident: hi storm
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Storm
Wol Euler: ah, I see, the dialog (in phoenix) has a "more" button, some options are hidden by default
Wol Euler: click on more
Wol Euler: hello bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Brucie
Alfred Kelberry: *congrats storm's wife with the 4* :)
Alfred Kelberry: brucie :)
Agatha Macbeth: I'll do it later, concentrating now...
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, everyone (listens to catch the frist)
Alfred Kelberry: i say it "brucie" now too, after aga
Santoshima Resident: hey bruce
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Bruce Mowbray: Brucie is cool - - Sprucie Brucie.
Alfred Kelberry: sounds cute and hug-like
Agatha Macbeth: Brucie bonus
Wol Euler: spruce bruce is appropriate for a treehugger :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, true :P
Alfred Kelberry: now imagine this "brucie lee" :)
Agatha Macbeth: The larch....the larch
Bruce Mowbray: I can tell that I've interrupted a deep and serious discussion.
Wol Euler grins.
Agatha Macbeth: As always ;)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: We were just getting heavily metaphysical
Alfred Kelberry: *purrs*
Agatha Macbeth: but were working up to it
Wol Euler: hello sophia
Alfred Kelberry: neko girl! :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Sharon!
Storm Nordwind: Spruce Bruce. Not to be confused with the "Spruce Goose".
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone!
Storm Nordwind waves
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Shaz :)
    --BELL--
Wol Euler: pause coming up, shall we watch our breath?
Alfred Kelberry: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Alfred Kelberry: ommm
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't see mine :(
Storm Nordwind: I can see mine
Agatha Macbeth: Cold Stormy?
SophiaSharon Larnia: thinking of my breath intermingled with the mist from the fountain
Storm Nordwind: Snow on the way
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: I guess you get it before anyone else
Wol Euler: altitude makes a difference :)
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...oose&FORM=IGRE
Storm Nordwind: It keeps me high ;)
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth grins
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
Bruce Mowbray: Rocky Mountain High.
Wol Euler: is anyone else ... snap!
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: Rocky Mountain Daredevils
Bruce Mowbray: the goose is fast, folks.
Storm Nordwind: Better than Rocky Mountain Oysters :)
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!!
SophiaSharon Larnia: makes me think of rocky mountain music lol
SophiaSharon Larnia sees mist from Storms mouth
Agatha Macbeth: Calm down Brucie
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Bruce Mowbray waits to catch the thread of the deep metaphysical discusssion taking place here before his arrival.
Bruce Mowbray: looks like Brucie might be waiting a while. . .
Wol Euler: heheheh
Wol Euler: afraid so, yes
Agatha Macbeth: For what?
Bruce Mowbray will fetch Blub. . .
Wol Euler: [13:35] Bruce (bruce.mowbray) waits to catch the thread of the deep metaphysical discusssion taking place here before his arrival.
SophiaSharon Larnia: I caught that statement too when I rezzed, Bruce :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: I thought we were talking about clothes shopping...ah well

On a different note...
Bruce Mowbray: Have any of you seen the "Bean" in Chicago's Millennium Park?
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe that's metaphysical to some
Wol Euler: yes, bruce, I know it. lovely
Agatha Macbeth: Er...no
Wol Euler: spacey :)
Storm Nordwind: I guess it keeps the rain off
Agatha Macbeth: What is it?
Bruce Mowbray: To me, the bean is a sculpture of . . . . perhaps god.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
Bruce Mowbray: I will send you a link to a photo I took of it.
Bruce Mowbray: brb.
Agatha Macbeth: Nothing to do with Orson Bean then?
Storm Nordwind: Oh... it's by Anish Kapoor.
Bruce Mowbray: http://hermitdog.com/chicago/P9290105.JPG
Santoshima Resident: ahh!
Santoshima Resident: Anish
Santoshima Resident: wow!
Bruce Mowbray: It seduces, sees, and reflects everything in the environment.
Agatha Macbeth: Wow, a sci-fi donut
SophiaSharon Larnia: jeez
Bruce Mowbray: Vidoe os it are incredible.
Bruce Mowbray: of*
Santoshima Resident: got any
Wol Euler: it's amazing, it has a *perfectly* smooth surface
Bruce Mowbray: one can walk inside. . .
Agatha Macbeth: Almost doesn't look real
Wol Euler: perfect mirror all the way around
Agatha Macbeth: What's it made of?
Bruce Mowbray: see why I call is a sculpture of God?
SophiaSharon Larnia: its like a cell
Storm Nordwind: Same person that did this I believe: http://art-glossary.com/wp-content/u...al-academy.jpg
Wol Euler smiles.
Bruce Mowbray: i think it is plastic, but not sure.
Agatha Macbeth: God is a metal donut
Santoshima Resident: ty, bruce and storm
Wol Euler: it's as good a theology as any ohter :)
Santoshima Resident: fantastic
Agatha Macbeth: Mmmm
SophiaSharon Larnia: whats in it, is it empty?
Storm Nordwind: Is God empty? :)
Bruce Mowbray agrees with Wol. . . but I think the 'point' is more about art than ideology.
Bruce Mowbray: Buddhists might say that everything is empty.
Agatha Macbeth: Well I know which i prefer
Bruce Mowbray: especially ideologies.
Agatha Macbeth: Beware the empty ideology grasshopper
SophiaSharon Larnia: I meant the bean, but yes :)
Wol Euler: we like our ideology grasshoppers filled to the brim
Storm Nordwind: The bean is filled with grasshoppers?!?
SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Agatha Macbeth: Plague of locusts perhaps
Santoshima Resident: we are hopping around
Agatha Macbeth: Hopping mad
Wol Euler: another pause coming up, shall we sieze the chance to be serious?
    --BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: No
Agatha Macbeth: :p
Alfred Kelberry: ommm
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles, a higly reflective smooth surface that is empty
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.viddler.com/explore/AKRaven/videos/346/
Santoshima Resident: bye guys, gals, and pup ~ thanks for the chat
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye San
Agatha Macbeth: Bye San
Bruce Mowbray: bye, San!
SophiaSharon Larnia: ty Bruce :)
Wol Euler: bye santo
Bruce Mowbray: The artist (sculptor?) had some things in mind with that. . .
Bruce Mowbray: play?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I wonder what...
Bruce Mowbray: theology?
Bruce Mowbray: metaphor?
Bruce Mowbray: being?
Bruce Mowbray: art?
Agatha Macbeth: Lunch?
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Who knows what is in another person's mind
Bruce Mowbray: To me, it is a perfect panopticon . . .
Agatha Macbeth: Hang on while I look that up
Bruce Mowbray: ok.
Bruce Mowbray: one of the West's descriptions of God is an all-seer.
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, big brother
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Or the Prisoner
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: 'Be seeing you'
Bruce Mowbray: that's another definition, I suppose.
Bruce Mowbray: panopticon = a building in which everything can be see from one location -- and it was commonly used in prisons and mential hospitals prior to CCT technology
Wol Euler: there was a fashion in the mid-1800s for prisons built as "panopticons", usually hollow cylinders with the prisons' cells on the outside
Wol Euler: right
Wol Euler: in the middle a tower for the watcher
Bruce Mowbray: snap with Woly.
Agatha Macbeth: Interesting
Wol Euler: it never seems too have occurre to the designers that the prisoners would see the watcher too, and that this might be *extremely* uncomfortable for him
Bruce Mowbray: now I'm seeing it (and everything else) as metaphor.
Agatha Macbeth: Watching the watchers
Storm Nordwind: Seeing everything from one location isn't difficult. Seeing it all at the same time though takes a little practice. :)
Bruce Mowbray: the prisoners ALWAYS have at least one eye on the guards. . . (I know that from experience of teaching 8 years in a prison.)
Wol Euler: quis custodiet etc
Agatha Macbeth: Finem respice
Bruce Mowbray: when that fails, all hell breaks loose.
Bruce Mowbray: Everyone knows that the "order" in a prison is kept by the prisoners themselves. . .
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Bruce is not a number, he is a free man
Bruce Mowbray: so. . . . is god a prisoner or a guard?
Bruce Mowbray: or neither?
Agatha Macbeth: On guard from what tho?
Bruce Mowbray: guarding the universe to be sure everyone behaves?
Agatha Macbeth: Tricky
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: S/he's making none too good a job of it then
Agatha Macbeth: IMHO
Storm Nordwind doesn't know which god is being referred to here
Bruce Mowbray: This is exactly the sort of metaphor that George Lakoff deplores.
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Agatha Macbeth: Who's he?
Bruce Mowbray: ok just a sec....
Agatha Macbeth waits expectantly
Storm Nordwind: Congratulations Aggers!
    --BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: My pause is pregnant :p
Bruce Mowbray: http://georgelakoff.com/writings/boo...aphorsweliveby
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Bruce Mowbray: Metaphors We Live By - currently under discussion in WoK.
Wol Euler: busy guy.
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I remember
Bruce Mowbray: no pregnancy after meno-PAUSE, sry.
Agatha Macbeth: Sorreeeeee
Bruce Mowbray: ok. I deserve to be in a panopticon for that one.
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Here's lookin at you kid
Alfred Kelberry: we can clone them
Bruce Mowbray: bye for now. all be well.
Wol Euler: heheh
Wol Euler: bye bruce, take care
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: May all Brucies be happy
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol aggers
Alfred Kelberry: storm is unusually quiet
Agatha Macbeth grins
Storm Nordwind has long given up trying to convince Americans that pause/paws/pours/pores/poors are all pronounced the same
Alfred Kelberry: ahm there
Wol Euler remembers a discussion in Halifax about whether Bruce's dog had Buddha nature
SophiaSharon Larnia: good night/afternoon, take care :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: b4n
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Shazzie
Wol Euler: bye sophia, take care
Alfred Kelberry: neko girl is cute
Agatha Macbeth: Does bruce's dog sit cross-legged then?
Wol Euler: yep
Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
Wol Euler: has a bald head too
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds vaguely familiar...
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: btw, what was your experience with retreats and age difference of the attendees?
Agatha Macbeth: Were thay all not about the same age?
Wol Euler: mu
Agatha Macbeth: Mu?
Alfred Kelberry: yes, vashon, but i mean the others
Alfred Kelberry: like german one
Agatha Macbeth: The lost continent?
Wol Euler: that was atlantis
Agatha Macbeth: And Mu
Storm Nordwind: Nearly all were of similar age
Alfred Kelberry: yaku is a young lad
Wol Euler: true
Agatha Macbeth: Oh Yak is I know
Wol Euler: and I am an old dog, and Eos and Pema even older
Agatha Macbeth: Woof
Wol Euler: but actually it made (as far as I could see) little difference
Alfred Kelberry: please tell more, woly
Korel Laloix: Off to another chat.
Storm Nordwind: Pema is a young pup compared to most of our retreat
Korel Laloix: Take care al
Alfred Kelberry: kori :)
Agatha Macbeth: I didn't think it would somehow
Wol Euler: maybe if we'd been doing 100 prostrations before breakfast every day, it would have done
Wol Euler: bye korel, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Korel
Wol Euler: in a way, perhaps that came from having met here
Agatha Macbeth hears voices
Wol Euler: we were just being ourselves
Wol Euler: and we already knew those
Alfred Kelberry: woly, you didn't answer :)
Wol Euler: (the selves)
Wol Euler: I am answering
Alfred Kelberry: what was different?
Alfred Kelberry: or awkward maybe
Wol Euler thinks
Agatha Macbeth: Mosquitos?
Wol Euler: okay, perhaps you should ask Yaku or Lia rather tahn one of us oldies
Wol Euler: perhaps they were aware of our vast antiquity
Agatha Macbeth: How old is Lia then?
Wol Euler: mid 20s
Alfred Kelberry: i'm asking for your perspective :)
Wol Euler: as is yaku
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Wol Euler: you are getting it.
Agatha Macbeth: She comes across as being more mature than that
Wol Euler: oh yes, she's a pretty amazing person :)
Agatha Macbeth: Like Gaya
Alfred Kelberry: most do here :)
Alfred Kelberry: like storm. one would think he's no less than 100 :)
Storm Nordwind: No more, no less
Agatha Macbeth: Enough is enough

Another non sequitur...
Agatha Macbeth: Does anyone know why mesh viewers make grass look like sand?
Storm Nordwind: What color sand?
Agatha Macbeth: Browny beige
Storm Nordwind: Ick!
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, exactly
Wol Euler: perhaps you hvae a windlight setting active?
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe
Storm Nordwind: drought?
Wol Euler: there's an option in v3 to let parcels set that for you automatically
Agatha Macbeth: I was just experimenting earlier
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, thx
Wol Euler: which is ON by default
    --BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Graphics still seem crap tho
Agatha Macbeth: Ok kiddiwinks, I need to run
Alfred Kelberry: i should send you one of my 5850s, aga :)
Wol Euler: bye aggers, have fun
Agatha Macbeth: Take care of yourselves
Storm Nordwind waves
Alfred Kelberry: purr... love that dress of hers
Wol Euler grins.
Alfred Kelberry: stormy, touch my nose :)
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Alfred Kelberry: storm, when do we meet? tue or thu?
Storm Nordwind: Tues 9am
Alfred Kelberry: woly? :)
Wol Euler: ?
Alfred Kelberry: ok
Wol Euler: meet what who where when?
Alfred Kelberry: did you just throw something? :)
Wol Euler: tried to throw a wet fish, yes
Alfred Kelberry: ah
Storm Nordwind: why wet?
Alfred Kelberry: better aerodynamics
Storm Nordwind: Ah... but harder to get a good spin going though
Wol Euler: right
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Alfred Kelberry: miss
Alfred Kelberry: splash!
Alfred Kelberry: heh, just noticed a pipe
Storm Nordwind: Poor fish. They die after 60 seconds
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler nods sorrowfully
Alfred Kelberry: you guys are funny
Wol Euler: it comes from being so old
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Alfred Kelberry: throwing pebbles is a nice retreat activity
Storm Nordwind: Who is pebbles?
Alfred Kelberry: um
Wol Euler: dwarf tossing?
Storm Nordwind: Sounds fun
Storm Nordwind: I'd settle for a small dog though
Alfred Kelberry: from the pics vashon had lots of them
Alfred Kelberry: pebbles, not dogs :)
Wol Euler: Dwarf tossing is a bar attraction in which dwarfs wearing special padded clothing or Velcro costumes are thrown onto mattresses or at Velcro-coated walls.[1] Participants compete to throw the dwarf the farthest. The term "dwarf throwing" is sometimes used.
Alfred Kelberry: eek
Storm Nordwind reaches for the velcro
Alfred Kelberry: table tennis, soccer... those are nice too
Alfred Kelberry: you ever did that on a retreat?
Storm Nordwind: No
Wol Euler: not yet
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: haven't had any dwarves
Storm Nordwind: Single malt tasting sounds more fun
Wol Euler: though actually Lia is pretty small ...

A Lia throwing contest ???
Alfred Kelberry: balloon ride in srping would be great
Alfred Kelberry: ah, she is also small in sl :)
Wol Euler: that would be a good reason to ahve a retreat in scotland, storm
Storm Nordwind: Choosing the one week of the year with clement weather would be a challenge though
Alfred Kelberry: i'm small too actually :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Alfred Kelberry: but it's so beautiful there, storm
Alfred Kelberry: also, rain and thunder is a good meditation background
Storm Nordwind: Please excuse me friends. Sim maintenance calls!
    --BELL--
Wol Euler: bye storm, take care
Alfred Kelberry: stormy boy
Alfred Kelberry: have fun
Alfred Kelberry: purr
Alfred Kelberry: yea, i should be going too
Alfred Kelberry: did you think abotu the spring retreat, woly?
Wol Euler: remind me?
Alfred Kelberry: um
Wol Euler: I thought you were orgainizing Berlin in early december?
Alfred Kelberry: upcoming
Wol Euler: yes? is there one?
Alfred Kelberry: heh, no. not organizing. just asking who would happen to be nearby.
Alfred Kelberry: but you're organizing one in spring
Wol Euler: am I?
Wol Euler: wow
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Wol Euler: when did I agree to that?
Alfred Kelberry: like a week ago :)
Alfred Kelberry: after vashon
Wol Euler: in a session here?
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Alfred Kelberry: or so i thought
Alfred Kelberry: i mean a local retreat
Alfred Kelberry: not major one
Wol Euler: well, perhaps
Alfred Kelberry: it doesn't have to be "properly" organized. we can come and bunk in a hostel somewhere :)
Wol Euler: heh, I'm sorry, I don't do bunking in hostels, I am too old for that
Alfred Kelberry: aww
Wol Euler: not if I am organizing it
Wol Euler: if you want to organize a hostel-retreat, go ahead
Alfred Kelberry: maybe me yaku and lia :)
Wol Euler: ... who lives in boston now
Alfred Kelberry: eek
Alfred Kelberry: storm strikes me as a lad who would not mind a hostel
Wol Euler: I suppose I could put up with it, if it were clean and quiet
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Alfred Kelberry: lots of those
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: um...
Alfred Kelberry: *feels odd*
Wol Euler: heheheh
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: ok, woly girl. i'll go now
Alfred Kelberry: you auf well
Wol Euler: goodnight! take care
Alfred Kelberry: in a non-hostel bed, nice and quiet :)
Wol Euler: :)