2011.10.12 13:00 - Benevolent Souls

Eliza posted this session from the auto-listener genie...

[13:05] Fefonz Quan: yes, something got rong with the recorder and it didn't start on time
[13:05] Wol Euler: it's started now
[13:05] Wol Euler: I had to restart it
[13:05] Wol Euler: it sometiems stops overnight, I don't know why
[13:05] Archmage Atlantis: Santo, Wol....pleasant day, night, or even ing
[13:05] Santoshima Resident: ty
[13:06] Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps, Wol, the recorder has it's own opinions
[13:06] Archmage Atlantis: It is after all, a machina

[13:06] Wol Euler: perhaps :)
[13:06] Wol Euler: they have souls too
[13:06] Wol Euler: for certain values of "soul"
[13:07] Wol Euler: excuse me while I continue to geek about for a while :)
[13:07] Wol Euler: talk amongst yourselves

[13:07] Santoshima Resident: ok
[13:07] Archmage Atlantis: I like geek - ing
[13:08] Fefonz Quan: Needless to say Wol, we count on your geeking
[13:08] Fefonz Quan: abilities
[13:08] Archmage Atlantis: I also like the antihesis of geek
[13:08] Archmage Atlantis: All are in the creation
[13:08] Fefonz Quan: which is?
[13:09] Fefonz Quan: (the antithesis)
[13:10] Archmage Atlantis: Wol said it.....talk among yourselves
[13:10] Archmage Atlantis: Actually, she said amoungst
[13:10] Archmage Atlantis: which may be British
[13:11] Archmage Atlantis: PPl seperated by a common language you know
[13:11] Be Ewing: trying over here to come up with antithesis other non or anti

[13:11] Fefonz Quan: hello Be
[13:11] Be Ewing: Hi Fefonz and All :)
[13:12] Santoshima Resident: hi bee!
[13:12] Wol Euler: hello Be, have you been here before?
[13:12] Be Ewing: one of my aunt's is a total non-geek
[13:12] Archmage Atlantis: hello to BE, or not to Be
[13:12] Archmage Atlantis: Cheap, I admit it
[13:12] Be Ewing: Wol -- yes at least twice before
[13:12] Be Ewing: I've got the cards etc
[13:12] Santoshima Resident: wb, be
[13:12] Be Ewing: know about the 15 minute break
[13:12] Santoshima Resident: hi susan :)

[13:12] Wol Euler: good, and you know about the recorder ... good :)
[13:12] Be Ewing: (if my eyes will just register it with my mind :) )
[13:12] Fefonz Quan: so what is the oposite of geek? Cool?
[13:13] Be Ewing: no
[13:13] Be Ewing: Geeks are cool these days
[13:13] Fefonz Quan: we record the tlaks here
[13:13] Fefonz Quan: talks*
[13:13] Wol Euler: I'd say it is the hyper-redneck-jock type
[13:13] Santoshima Resident: that's the opposite?

[13:13] Be Ewing: the antithesis is someone who uses no technology whatsoever in their lives
[13:13] Wol Euler: to my mind, perhaps
[13:13] Wol Euler: I'm thinking out loud
[13:13] Santoshima Resident: :)

[13:13] Fefonz Quan: so we need your persmission to include your chat messages in the record, which is in an (open) internet site
[13:13] Wol Euler: thesis/antithesis/synthesis :)
[13:14] iwandertoo Resident: waves
[13:14] Be Ewing: intuitive is best I can come up with
[13:14] Fefonz Quan: (at Be)
[13:14] Be Ewing: in other words someone who used no technology -- only relies on intuitive knowledge
[13:14] Santoshima Resident: intuition and a flint and sticks
[13:15] Be Ewing: flint and sticks would not even be needed
[13:16] Wol Euler: sorry, I have to slip out for a while, hope to be back later
[13:16] Fefonz Quan: (Bye Wol, tkae care!
[13:16] Fefonz Quan: )
[13:16] iwandertoo Resident: tc wol
[13:16] Be Ewing: okay -- actually it might be a very advanced form of geek

13:17] Fefonz Quan: Be, I have to repeat my questions: "[13:13] Fefonz Quan: so we need your persmission to include your chat messages in the record, which is in an (open) internet site"\
[13:17] Be Ewing: similar to Arthur C. Clarke's third law
[13:17] Be Ewing: that most advanced technology often looks like magic
[13:17] Be Ewing: perhaps Magician is opposite of Geek?
[13:18] Fefonz Quan: well, that contradicts your previous sentence :)

[13:18] Be Ewing: I thought I gave that permission yesterday
[13:18] Fefonz Quan: ok thanks.
[13:18] Be Ewing: Do I have to do it everyday?

[13:18] Be Ewing: but right now Geeks use devices
[13:18] Be Ewing: and no device would be apparent
[13:18] Fefonz Quan: I hope not. I just thought you said to wall that you didn't know about th4e recording
[13:19] Archmage Atlantis: Are the ppls different everyday, Be?
[13:19] Be Ewing: I come only as this alt -- this is my primary avatar
[13:19] Be Ewing: if ever I use another avatar I will then announce permission
[13:19] Be Ewing: I only use them usually when I can't log on with my primary one
[13:20] Fefonz Quan: i don't think that's what Arch meant
[13:20] Archmage Atlantis: I understand segments
[13:20] Archmage Atlantis: brb
[13:20] Be Ewing: I am the same though:) ... I don't use bots

[13:20] Fefonz Quan: he meant to say the participants and guardians (like myself today) change between days
[13:21] Be Ewing: meaning others drive your avatar(s) ?
[13:21] Fefonz Quan: no, there are other people here today, and we are not aware about your respolsese yeseterday.
[13:21] Santoshima Resident: i sent you an Im Be, about this very thing
[13:21] Fefonz Quan: responses*
[13:22] Santoshima Resident: easy to answer that you give approval or not
[13:22] Be Ewing: I gave approval in chat yesterday which reportedly is posted
[13:22] Santoshima Resident: ! we don;t all go back and read the chats

[13:22] Be Ewing: trust me I just assume all things are posted Universally -- IMs included
[13:22] Santoshima Resident: IMs are NOT posted
[13:23] Fefonz Quan: (yes, we have some Real Lifes too, .)
[13:23] Santoshima Resident: nor shared
[13:23] iwandertoo Resident: over communication is greatly appreciated
[13:23] Santoshima Resident: greatly
[13:23] Be Ewing: Santo -- you must have arrived after I gave my permission yesterday then
[13:23] Santoshima Resident: ?
[13:23] iwandertoo Resident: haha
[13:23] Santoshima Resident: i wouldn't recall even if i had been here
[13:23] Be Ewing: in no case -- no biggie with me at all
[13:23] Santoshima Resident: i wasn't in charge of the session

[13:23] Be Ewing: usually I'm at places that are recorded -- have been since day 1 as an avatar here in Second LIfe
[13:24] iwandertoo Resident: waves to the team
[13:24] Santoshima Resident: is the topic "recordings in SL"?
[13:24] iwandertoo Resident: :)
[13:24] Be Ewing: cannot you just not post a sign?
[13:24] Be Ewing: letting people know such?
[13:24] Fefonz Quan: some people claim that most of our internet activity is recorder nowadays
[13:24] Be Ewing: * can you
[13:24] Be Ewing: all are
[13:25] Be Ewing: many communications companies are required to do such
[13:25] Santoshima Resident: bye be, bye all
[13:25] iwandertoo Resident: hey
[13:25] iwandertoo Resident: santoshima
[13:25] Fefonz Quan: hey Bert

[13:25] Be Ewing: also -- given mass storage cheapness it is just as easy/cheap do do full screencapture along with everything else that goes on
[13:25] Bartram Fenstalker: Posting a sign
[13:26] Be Ewing: at least this is my understand per one of my major bank friends
[13:26] Fefonz Quan: what a nice grey tigre you are
[13:26] Fefonz Quan: tiger*

[13:27] Bartram Fenstalker: I am an element of Arch, Fef...........as the banks and the corporations and the government are an element
[13:28] Bartram Fenstalker: The answere is not to destroy
[13:28] Bartram Fenstalker: It is to find the new way
[13:28] Be Ewing: well perhaps the new way may be an old way?
[13:29] Be Ewing: perhaps that is non-geek way ... thinking out loud over here
[13:29] Bartram Fenstalker: Yes, it will have elements of an older way
[13:29] Bartram Fenstalker: when 2 ppl in a group could speak directly
[13:30] Be Ewing: Bertram ... perhaps thought transmission?
[13:30] Be Ewing: although technology is very close to picking those up too

[13:31] Be Ewing: what happens to comments during "silence" periods?
[13:31] Be Ewing: I don't always see the message
[13:32] iwandertoo Resident: doesn't seem u wish to
[13:32] Be Ewing: often I am looking elsewhere while I think
[13:32] iwandertoo Resident: yes, seems so

[13:32] Fefonz Quan: they are the same as other comments. the oint of the silent period is to help the practice of the participants
[13:32] Fefonz Quan: point*
[13:33] Be Ewing: okay
[13:33] Be Ewing: people who need breaks?
[13:33] Fefonz Quan: yet it is just a recommendation of course, not an obligation
[13:33] Bartram Fenstalker: Come gather round ppl, wherever your roam..............start swimming. ..... the chance won't come again.........no telling who it is naming

[13:33] Fefonz Quan: well, the original purpose of thhose breaks was to contemplate
[13:34] Be Ewing: ah
[13:34] Bartram Fenstalker: There is battle outside
[13:34] Be Ewing: but I contemplate things ongoing
[13:34] Be Ewing: battle outside of where?
[13:34] iwandertoo Resident: honor theis space, Be
[13:34] Fefonz Quan: yet it helpps the ones with lesser abilities :)
[13:35] Bartram Fenstalker: Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command

[13:35] Be Ewing: Susan -- I am -- but to honor it I need to understand the rules and preferences of others
[13:35] iwandertoo Resident: you should do this prior
[13:35] iwandertoo Resident: as to not negatively impact others
[13:35] Bartram Fenstalker: The times, are changing
[13:36] Be Ewing: well I learn by doing
[13:36] Be Ewing: I play to learn
[13:36] iwandertoo Resident: do no harm, first
[13:36] Be Ewing: each is unique
[13:36] iwandertoo Resident: and in order to do no harm you have a responsibility to understand

[13:36] Be Ewing: I am doing my best to do no harm:)
[13:36] iwandertoo Resident: universally human
[13:37] Be Ewing: perhaps my learning/playing style is somewhat different
[13:37] Fefonz Quan: each of us has his/hers own style
[13:37] iwandertoo Resident: check your premises
[13:38] Fefonz Quan: so we allow everyone to contemplate silently in their own style during the 90-sec
[13:38] Be Ewing: my premises seem to be doing well over here -- no intruders etc
[13:38] iwandertoo Resident: and motivations
[13:38] Santoshima Resident: :)
[13:38] iwandertoo Resident: hey :)

[13:38] Be Ewing: motivation is purely to play to learn, grow and have fun

[13:38] Santoshima Resident: :)
[13:38] Fefonz Quan: wb Arch\
[13:38] Santoshima Resident: hey :))
[13:39] iwandertoo Resident: :)))
[13:39] iwandertoo Resident: ((s))
[13:40] iwandertoo Resident: benevolence wins
[13:40] iwandertoo Resident: always
[13:40] Archmage Atlantis: I wish for that, Susan........I do not know that
[13:41] Be Ewing: peace begets peace
[13:41] Be Ewing: violence begets violence
[13:41] Be Ewing: Is this what you mean Susan?
[13:41] iwandertoo Resident: nope
[13:41] Santoshima Resident: hi Arisia
[13:41] Arisia Vita: Hi all, nice to be with you all again
[13:41] Be Ewing: Susan -- what do you mean then?
[13:41] iwandertoo Resident: waves
[13:41] Fefonz Quan: hi Ari

[13:42] Santoshima Resident: join us won't you
[13:42] Santoshima Resident: we are taling about benevolence

[13:42] iwandertoo Resident: I mean that the good wins over the bad
[13:42] Be Ewing: Arisia - welcome
[13:42] iwandertoo Resident: always
[13:42] Be Ewing: but good and bad are relative
[13:42] Santoshima Resident: hmm
[13:42] Be Ewing: you can't have one without the other
[13:42] iwandertoo Resident: absolutes

[13:42] Be Ewing: for example, they become meaningless with the opposite?
[13:43] Be Ewing: for me only love is absolute

[13:43] iwandertoo Resident: nope
[13:46] Santoshima Resident: http://www.cit-sakti.com/peace/peace...-for-peace.htm
[13:46] Fefonz Quan: Friends, I apoligize but I have to leve now
[13:47] Santoshima Resident: ty, Fefonz, take care
[13:47] Be Ewing: Fefonz -- take care :)
[13:47] Fefonz Quan: good night to you all
[13:47] Arisia Vita: be well and happy fef
[13:47] Santoshima Resident: rest well
[13:47] Be Ewing: MIles of smiles Fefonz :)
[13:47] Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
[13:47] iwandertoo Resident: waves
[13:49] Archmage Atlantis: I once asked a sister of mine to tell me the chararcteristics of a phophet
[13:50] Santoshima Resident: a nun sister, or a sibling?
[13:50] Archmage Atlantis: She said that a prophet is one who tells the truth
[13:50] Archmage Atlantis: A celestial sister
[13:50] Santoshima Resident: :)
[13:51] iwandertoo Resident: :)
[13:51] Arisia Vita: welcome Johan
[13:51] Johanm89 Resident: hi :)
[13:52] Be Ewing: Johanna89 ... Greetings :)
[13:52] Santoshima Resident: greetings johanm89
[13:52] Johanm89 Resident: thanks

[13:52] Santoshima Resident: who's taken over the recording?
[13:52] Santoshima Resident: anyone?
[13:52] Archmage Atlantis: What brings you to this fountain, John
[13:53] Santoshima Resident: and have you been here before to this meeting?
[13:53] Johanm89 Resident: I don't know what do you mean
[13:53] Santoshima Resident: ?
[13:54] Santoshima Resident: have you come to a meeting here before today?
[13:54] Johanm89 Resident: no
[13:54] Johanm89 Resident: it's my first time here
[13:54] Santoshima Resident: we record our sessions and post them on a public wiki site
[13:54] Santoshima Resident: are you ok with having your words and name recorded?
[13:54] Johanm89 Resident: yes
[13:54] Santoshima Resident: ok, thanks
[13:54] Archmage Atlantis: This is not a simple answere
[13:55] Santoshima Resident: of, course, arch
[13:55] Archmage Atlantis: Rocording is int he eternal record
[13:55] Santoshima Resident: but it's all that is required at the moment

[13:56] Archmage Atlantis: I accept the yes

[13:57] Johanm89 Resident: so whats the place where we are now?
[13:57] Santoshima Resident: hang on, i'll see if i can find a notecard to give you ... t's not really my thing to do
[13:57] Archmage Atlantis: The officical answer first
[13:57] Archmage Atlantis: Read the card
[13:58] Santoshima Resident: there you go, Johan, please read that
[13:59] Johanm89 Resident: Interesting
[13:59] Santoshima Resident: Johan, I notice that you were "born" yesterday ...
[13:59] Johanm89 Resident: yes
[13:59] Santoshima Resident: how did you find this group?
[13:59] Santoshima Resident: wandering?
[14:00] Archmage Atlantis: yet, in this world, bornis diiferent
[14:00] Johanm89 Resident: So I was go for explore and find this place
[14:00] Archmage Atlantis: Accept annix
[14:00] Santoshima Resident: { shh }

[14:01] Johanm89 Resident: I come here to SL to search solutions for my RL problems
[14:01] Santoshima Resident: hmm
[14:01] Arisia Vita: how can we help?
[14:02] Archmage Atlantis: Johan, are you willing to share some elements of your rl problems.
[14:02] Johanm89 Resident: I dont know I think I need be more social person
[14:02] Archmage Atlantis: Take it Ari
[14:03] Archmage Atlantis: I am totally asocial
[14:03] Johanm89 Resident: I cant find motivation inside me to do a lot of important thinks
[14:03] Santoshima Resident: just to note, we observe 90 seconds of silence at the bell
[14:04] Archmage Atlantis: Santos......that is important to recall
[14:04] Santoshima Resident: Arch, perhaps you could say more about it
[14:05] Archmage Atlantis: OK

[14:05] Archmage Atlantis: This place in SL was begun by a person
[14:06] Archmage Atlantis: It was to become a place without ownership
[14:07] Archmage Atlantis: No one individual is at the core, .....not even what may call God
[14:08] Archmage Atlantis: God said, you guys, figure it out yourselves
[14:08] Archmage Atlantis: I'm otta here
[14:08] Archmage Atlantis: So we do
[14:09] Santoshima Resident: hmmm, not what's on the wiki, but good
[14:09] Archmage Atlantis: No phophets
[14:09] Archmage Atlantis: Not destiny
[14:09] Archmage Atlantis: only us
[14:09] Archmage Atlantis: figuring it out
[14:09] Santoshima Resident: :)
[14:10] Be Ewing: very now
[14:10] Santoshima Resident: ?
[14:11] Be Ewing: meaning this is very much of a "now" place to be
[14:11] Be Ewing: based on that description of Arch
[14:12] Be Ewing: "only us figuring it out"
[14:12] Be Ewing: at least that is my personal take of those words

[14:14] Archmage Atlantis: The most important thing, in my dream walk, is that Arisia chose to sit here beside the tiny cushion.
[14:14] Arisia Vita: I sat here to sit by you, not a cushion
[14:14] Archmage Atlantis: Bother, there is infinity between us we gurard
[14:17] Santoshima Resident: thank you everyone, peaceful day to you ~
[14:17] Johanm89 Resident: thanks also to you
[14:17] Be Ewing: All -- take care and miles of smiles :)
[14:18] Arisia Vita: bye all, be well and happy
[14:18] Johanm89 Resident: Bye to all
[14:22] Archmage Atlantis: Osyeo
[14:27] Archmage Atlantis: Kids, straighten and fly right