The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

Archmage Atlantis: The thing is that, that is as much a valid experience as any other
Archmage Atlantis: Interesting is a type of meditation
Wol Euler: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Understand
Archmage Atlantis: Does reality really fit reality? Just asking.
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: np
Archmage Atlantis: Apologize.......would really like to talk in voice
Archmage Atlantis: I'll figure it out eventually
Wol Euler: I am inthe positoin that Eliza described, trying to recover from the emotional residues and one or two scraps of memory, what I experienced
Wol Euler: I was fine until the talking started, but that drove it from my mind
Korel Laloix: Back
Wol Euler: I *think* that I started well, listening to the birds, then tried to identify them: "was that a catbird? where is this place acoustically?"
Wol Euler: and went off from there to looking at maps in my head
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: as one does.
Archmage Atlantis: Maps, birds......
Archmage Atlantis: alll shared symbols
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: I remember now, that at one point I was condemning myself as a coward for not going itno voice
Wol Euler: and thinking about a session Pema and I are organizing on Letting Yourself Be Seen
Wol Euler: ack!
Wol Euler: euurgh!
Archmage Atlantis: This is a little bit like listening in through the door
Wol Euler: I understand why P does that, but it really annoys me
Wol Euler: mmhmm, arising from something we talkeda bout in the german retreat, which came up again lately
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: It is scary to let oneself be seen
Wol Euler: yep
Eliza Madrigal: Hi guys, what a surprise to see you all here!
Eliza Madrigal: :D
Archmage Atlantis: Still, it is more towards the concept of truth than to hide
Wol Euler: hello Korel, have you been here before?
Yakuzza Lethecus: but the letting ourselves being seing practice wasn´t that about being seing urselves through the eyes of a different object ?
Korel Laloix: Yes.... sorry... the new Freud Jungsten....
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Wol Euler: ah! fine :)
Wol Euler: ty
Bleu Oleander: hi Korel
Korel Laloix: Heya
Eliza Madrigal: I'll have to go and actually pick my daughter up in a few minutes :)
Wol Euler: what, again? :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahah, yes
Archmage Atlantis: From Anime class, I heard
Wol Euler: :)
Bleu Oleander: text always feels clunky after voice
Eliza Madrigal: :) yes... feels so odd.. like being submerged in a submarine
Wol Euler: sending up little airbubbles of words
Wol Euler: hello brue
Wol Euler: *bruce
Yakuzza Lethecus: wb bruce
Bleu Oleander: wb Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: :) Like that description
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
Eliza Madrigal: Blub understands
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, everyone.
Bruce Mowbray: ;-) more than you realize, Eliza.
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps.
Archmage Atlantis: Bruce, perhaps you and I can practice voice in sl.........maybe I can get the tech to work here
Wol Euler: do you have skype installed, arch?
Bruce Mowbray: I surely do wish I could, Arch. . .
Archmage Atlantis: No, Wol, I don't think I do
Bruce Mowbray: My connection is too slow for both voice and SKYPE, unfortunately.
Wol Euler: good, I've heard of that conflicting witht SL voice
Archmage Atlantis: then I should check for that
Archmage Atlantis: Everyone is silent
Eliza Madrigal: the silence seems heavier after voice
Bruce Mowbray notices how DAZLING Wol is today.
Wol Euler beams silently.
Bleu Oleander: creates some distance doesn't it?
Bruce Mowbray: DAZZLING, sry.
Archmage Atlantis: Reminds me of when I approach an other than human, and the need to establish safety
Bruce Mowbray feels his peacock denes kicking in.
Bruce Mowbray: genes*
Archmage Atlantis: jeans
Eliza Madrigal: okay... time for me to be off...
Bleu Oleander: take care Eliza
Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care, enjoy the evening
Eliza Madrigal: thanks everyone :)) you guys too
Archmage Atlantis: Bye for the moment, brave Eliza
Bruce Mowbray ponders "safety" with other and - with sadness - feels he's sometimes made that a priority. . .
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray: others*
Wol Euler: I can relate to that.
Bruce Mowbray: but it is not physical safety - never that.
Bruce Mowbray: Only emotional safety, for me.
Korel Laloix: Ther are physical safety aspects to SL as well.
Wol Euler: how so?
Bruce Mowbray: thus, Yo Estoy un hermito. . .
Korel Laloix: You have to be careful what you tel people.
Wol Euler: ah, yes, ok.
Bruce Mowbray ponders being careful what he tells people -- and thinks he's not that smart.
Korel Laloix: Certain sorts of perves can figure things out a lot more easily than you think.
Korel Laloix: <-- knows this first hand.
Wol Euler: :(
Korel Laloix: <--- smarter and wiser now though
Yakuzza Lethecus: can you elaborate opon it a bit further korel, what happend ?
Bruce Mowbray fears neither man nor beast - physically. . . [upon further consideration, feels he sometimes fears the female. . . but no way proud of that.)
Yakuzza Lethecus: or is that too unpleasant to recall
Korel Laloix: LOng or short stroy?
Wol Euler: whatever you are comvortable with
Archmage Atlantis: A perve is an individual who does not respect you, is that correct?
Bruce Mowbray: Whatever you wish. . . go for it, Korel.
Korel Laloix: Pervert I should have said.
Korel Laloix: More to it than this of course... but back when I thought I shuld like guys...
Korel Laloix: I met a guy on campus through SL... seemed nice at first.
Korel Laloix: Then got demanind.. so I said goodbye
--BELL--
Korel Laloix: Next thign I know he breaks into my house.
Bleu Oleander: (sorry, have to slip out ... bye all)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bleu *whispers*
Bruce Mowbray: bye, Bleu.
Archmage Atlantis: Bye
Archmage Atlantis: bleu
Korel Laloix: ciao
Korel Laloix: brb
Archmage Atlantis: Pls continue Korel
Korel Laloix: work
Korel Laloix: Will have to finish later
Korel Laloix: SOrry
Archmage Atlantis: np
Bruce Mowbray: It's OK. . .
Bruce Mowbray: We did not mean to push you.
Archmage Atlantis: life is long, and short.......both
Bruce Mowbray now is feeling, "oh dear...."
Wol Euler: she said it was because of work, and I know that she often logs on from college
Wol Euler: so I wouldn't presume that we upset her
Bruce Mowbray: ok -- yes, Bruce need to respect that.
Bruce Mowbray: needs*
Wol Euler: bruce needs to be kind to himself today, he's sounding a bit sad and almost judgemental
Archmage Atlantis: I would accept Korel at his/her word
Yakuzza Lethecus: i was thinking on the definition of pervert, for me a pervert is discespectful but disrespect isn´t pervertism in my mind, a pervert is stranger it´s a harsher form up to intimacy like ppl whom expose themselves publicly
Bruce Mowbray is having a rough day - week. . .
Wol Euler: I'm sorry to hear it.
Bruce Mowbray says it's OK -- just a transitional period. . . like so many that preceded this one.
Wol Euler is reassured.
Wol Euler suggests doing a session entirely in passive voice.
Bruce Mowbray smiles -- It's really quite OK. . .
Bruce Mowbray is learning some things about himself that he "should" have learned a few decades ago.
Archmage Atlantis: A prevert to me, is a damaged individual......the problem is that e is spreading the damage
Yakuzza Lethecus: bruce: is it affiliated with you taking in the homeless ?
Bruce Mowbray also just watched a movie that sort of ripped him up emotionally.
Bruce Mowbray: so
Wol Euler: oh dear :(
Bruce Mowbray is really all right (not faking, now).
Wol Euler: good
Wol Euler nods to Arch
Archmage Atlantis: Would you share the name of the movie, Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: @ Yaky - yes, it is related to taking in the homeless man - in a way. . .
Bruce Mowbray: That has opened up part of my heart that I did not really know I was capable of. . .
Wol Euler smiles warmly
Bruce Mowbray: and he's probably the BEST thing happening in my life right now.
Bruce Mowbray: The movie: BLOOD IRISH
Bruce Mowbray: Too much like my own family. . .
Bruce Mowbray: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Bruce Mowbray: but enough of that.
Bruce Mowbray feels a bit embarrassed. . .
Wol Euler shakes her head and takes your hand. It's fine.
Archmage Atlantis: No reason to be embarrassed.....to me, that was honest
Bruce Mowbray: Not BLOOD Irish but BLACK IRISH -- so sorry!
Wol Euler: ah! that you can be embarrassed about :)
Bruce Mowbray: I will find it on imdb.com
Archmage Atlantis: Freudian slip *g*
Yakuzza Lethecus: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455915/
Wol Euler: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455915/
Wol Euler: snap
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Bruce Mowbray thinks that was a Freudian slip -- but realizes that Freud left several minutes ago, so . . . . 9not0
Bruce Mowbray: yeppers. . . .
Wol Euler: that sounds pretty grim.
Bruce Mowbray: that's the one.
Archmage Atlantis: dueling links, how cool is that
Bruce Mowbray chooses to go the high road. . .
Wol Euler whistles the theme tune.
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Wol Euler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE
Wol Euler: since it's a linky kind of day
Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
Archmage Atlantis: bad puns don't count
Bruce Mowbray wonders why Arch is sitting out this dance. . . but respects his choice to do so, of course.
Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
Bruce Mowbray: THANKS -- I needed that!
Bruce Mowbray: /me's typist is laughing out loud!
Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
Archmage Atlantis: lolli
Bruce Mowbray: good -- that was GOOD.
Bruce Mowbray: lollipop
Bruce Mowbray: lolli
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: I think it works better if you stand up -- AFTER the bell (!)
Wol Euler: eat me
Archmage Atlantis: Be a bitch, dude....ok
Yakuzza Lethecus: ur dress is much better this way wol :)
Wol Euler: yeah, it doesn'T really work sitting
Wol Euler: typical of Eshi
Bruce Mowbray is ready!
Yakuzza Lethecus: lolli
Wol Euler: munchkins!
Bruce Mowbray: Fantastic!
Archmage Atlantis: Ok, now we have that japanese fan dance.....can't find it tho
Bruce Mowbray: I have a great screen shot for whoever is guardian of this session.
Yakuzza Lethecus: チョコレイト・ディスコ ♪
Yakuzza Lethecus: Chokoreito Disco ♪
Wol Euler: this must be friday.
Archmage Atlantis: Yppers, Friday it is
Archmage Atlantis: Stil holding a lollipo[
Archmage Atlantis: No fan tho
Archmage Atlantis: Oh, dang.....I've grown my vestigel tail
Bruce Mowbray: HA HA!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey aph :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Aph!
Wol Euler: hello aph
Yakuzza Lethecus: thx bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello everyone
Aphrodite Macbain: wol- are you pegasus?
Wol Euler: heheheh, good guess!
Aphrodite Macbain: has wing envy
Yakuzza Lethecus: aflac
Wol Euler: it's just a pretty wild dress
Aphrodite Macbain: beautiful
Aphrodite Macbain: haha lovely
Yakuzza Lethecus: aflac
Aphrodite Macbain: aflacr
Bruce Mowbray: want to join in, Apf
Aphrodite Macbain: Tee hee
Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
Yakuzza Lethecus: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSeeee***********
Aphrodite Macbain: Must be friday!
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Aphrodite Macbain: Yayy thanks
Wol Euler: thats what I said
Aphrodite Macbain: snap!
Yakuzza Lethecus: actually i sometimes think a lot if constant reflection on ,,being" actually prevents ,,just being"
Aphrodite Macbain grins at Yaku
Archmage Atlantis: Agree, Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: the verbalizing sometimes feels like fixating it as a preparation for use under a microskope and prevents futher development
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello chi
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Chi!
Chi Aho: hello yaku. aphro, everyone
Wol Euler: hello chi, happy friday
Chi Aho: hello, Wol
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray is sorry -- but I have an urgent RL phone calls and must leave.
Bruce Mowbray: Have a happy weekend...
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now.
Wol Euler: bye bruce, hzope all is ok
Wol Euler: -z
Bruce Mowbray: thanks.
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bruce
Yakuzza Lethecus: tc
Yakuzza Lethecus: those little things are standart equipment here chi :)
Archmage Atlantis: Well, let me go see if philosophy provides input useful to the journey
Aphrodite Macbain: where are you looking?
Archmage Atlantis: Shalom, Blessings & Namaste
Wol Euler: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care arch
Wol Euler: enjoy, arch, and happy hunting
Aphrodite Macbain: Peace brother
Aphrodite Macbain: what is e hunting for?
Aphrodite Macbain: he
Wol Euler: philosophy :)
Wol Euler: or hte end of the journey
Aphrodite Macbain: Oh. I woud hate for the journey to end.
Wol Euler: yes, unfortunately phrased. sorry.
Aphrodite Macbain: I am reading Karen Armstrong's book on Compassion. It's realy amaing
Aphrodite Macbain: amazing. Has any one sen it?
Wol Euler: huh, you're the second person today to mention her
Wol Euler: eliza has read it/is reading it
Aphrodite Macbain: 12 steps to compassion
Wol Euler makes a note
Aphrodite Macbain: She is so well informed on so many religions.
Chi Aho: Does the author mention the development of empathic power as essential to compassion?
Aphrodite Macbain: She puts bits and piecve of my knowlege into a coherent whole
Wol Euler nods
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- she talks about empathy and comassion as part of the same continuum
Aphrodite Macbain: compassion
Aphrodite Macbain: She also observes that compassion is an important element in ALL religions
Chi Aho: Is this the same author who wrote about the history of Christianity?
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes
Chi Aho: The History of God, was it called?
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- she has written about Islam, Buddhism and the Bible
Aphrodite Macbain: The Case for God
Aphrodite Macbain: opposit of Dworkin
Wol Euler is still taking notes :)
Aphrodite Macbain: not only is she s widely read, she writes beautifully
Chi Aho: To me it would seem that how we behave is much more important that what we believe, especially when it comes to theological concepts.
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes, but how we behave is often based on what we beleve
Aphrodite Macbain: we act with intention
Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t know, actually especially with conservative america i sometimes feel that religion on comes to mind when it´s convenient
Aphrodite Macbain: yes. there are many ways of approaching religion, but the main religions that have been around for centuries, place compassion (in their writings as fundmental)
Aphrodite Macbain: I must go and do some very profane activities - like shopping
Wol Euler: :)
Chi Aho: but is this practiced? (despite all of their beliefs) with the Buddhists maybe
Wol Euler: enjoy the evening, aph
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye wol
Wol Euler: actually I should go too, I have places and people to be
Wol Euler: bye for now
Chi Aho: bye to both
Yakuzza Lethecus: the exegesis is often a problem since you can interpret so much into words
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks for the conversation everyone. (Good question Cihi)
Chi Aho: later perhaps
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! friends
Yakuzza Lethecus: do you have a special subject in mind ?
Chi Aho: for when?
Yakuzza Lethecus: like right now, otherwise i would also head off as well
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: but you just came
Chi Aho: No, it is all right if you go. I drop in from time to time.
Yakuzza Lethecus: actually, i also like to hear other ppl´s conversation, other ppl are much more skilled in these subjects
Chi Aho: one min. plz
Chi Aho: sorry; I have an IM now; will come back, but if you have to go; it is ok
Yakuzza Lethecus: nah i have a few min
Chi Aho: She is just going on and on - a friend from Germany
Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, actually i am also german
Chi Aho: Sie sind von Deutschland :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i haven´t had any contemplative exposure before i came from this group
Yakuzza Lethecus: Ja, ich bin aus Deutschland.
Chi Aho: Do you mean you had done little in the way of meditation before coming here?
Yakuzza Lethecus: Nothing!
Yakuzza Lethecus: i said that before in the voice session, it was quiet a contradiction
Chi Aho: Meditation is kind of a way of - I call it "coming home to yourself"
Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean until 1 1/2 years ago
Yakuzza Lethecus: before i came to pab
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am a guardian here now :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: but it´s good to hear what you think about it, sry pls go ahead
Chi Aho: I've asked my friend if she wants to join us here
Yakuzza Lethecus: sure
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: are you interested in phenomenology ?
Chi Aho: at one point I may have been - that would be - I've forgotten his name right now; phenomenology other than being a philosophical position also came to be a methodological approach in sociology
Chi Aho: i think they do phenomenology at philosophy house in sl
Chi Aho: they've got this guy's portrait up there
Yakuzza Lethecus: at phil house i didn´t see a portrai of like husserl last time i went there
Chi Aho: What is the other guy's name, other than Husserl?
Yakuzza Lethecus: only the big hobbes toy, tree stumps tree´s and the river
Yakuzza Lethecus: into sociology you mean like max weber ?
Chi Aho: Can you refresh me on phenomenology very briefly
Yakuzza Lethecus: i can´t i am not too skilled on the despciption of appearances of like boxes
Chi Aho: I do not recall Weber being classified as a phenomenologist
Yakuzza Lethecus: no he isn´t he´s sociologist
Chi Aho: yes
Yakuzza Lethecus: just because you brought up the transition to sociology that´s why i asked you
Chi Aho: but phenomenology is a methodological approach used by some modern sociologists
Chi Aho: can you briefly summarize phenomenology?
Yakuzza Lethecus: google brings alfred shütz
Yakuzza Lethecus: never hear d of him
Chi Aho: Heidegger was the name i was trying to remember
Chi Aho: it is his picture i see at phil. house
Yakuzza Lethecus: ah
Chi Aho: isn't he a phenomenologist?
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes
Chi Aho: now what is the message of phenomenology?
Yakuzza Lethecus: but was he into sociology ?
Chi Aho: no, not Heidegger; he was strictly a philosopher
Yakuzza Lethecus: pardon, you are testing me on something that i can´t tell you too much about, that´s even why i am quiet when i am at phil places
Yakuzza Lethecus: i like to hear about these things and try to let a framework grow slightly
Yakuzza Lethecus: i even read a poem by heidgger before
Yakuzza Lethecus: when ppl mention books like 4 phenomenologcal philosophers or something i try to read a bit but i usually don´t make too much out of it
Chi Aho: No, not testing you; I think we may be talking past one another; you said i brought up the subject of phenomenology, but as i recall it was you. This is really not important.
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am not very structured
--BELL--
Chi Aho: Now I recall where I met you earlier.
Yakuzza Lethecus: where ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i thought i met you here
Chi Aho: If you don't remember me, it is just as well.
Yakuzza Lethecus: would you mind to remind me ? :)
Chi Aho: Well, Yaku, it was at a sim I would just as soon forget.
Yakuzza Lethecus: what you are telling me sounds a bit not understandable to me, would you pls elaborate ?
Chi Aho: I met you earlier at a sim, a place, in sl that I would just as soon forget.
Yakuzza Lethecus: with a different avatar ?
Chi Aho: no
Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean, if you used an different avatar there ?
Chi Aho: No, I did not.
Chi Aho: You say you are searching in sl in your profile. At what point are you in this search?
Yakuzza Lethecus: not very far actually, i simply look for constant exposure with a lot of these subjects
--BELL--
Chi Aho: Well, there must be some goal, such as personal development, say for your own emotional, moral and spiritual development
Chi Aho: Is this the case with you?
Yakuzza Lethecus: my alt has seen you on PI when i check the logs
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i don´t even know you
Chi Aho: and who might your alt be?
Yakuzza Lethecus: satre placebo
Yakuzza Lethecus: but that´s public
Yakuzza Lethecus: for a long time
Yakuzza Lethecus: may you tell me who your alt is ?
Chi Aho: Sartre placebo, you mean?
Yakuzza Lethecus: since according to my logs you have one
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes
Chi Aho: Why do you assume I have an alt?
Chi Aho: I don't follow this at all
Yakuzza Lethecus: because you wrote it in ,,rhi´s circle of philosophical frein"
Chi Aho: How can your logs say this about me
Yakuzza Lethecus: you said that
Chi Aho: Now why do ppl get alts?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i do that for multitasking
Yakuzza Lethecus: to stay connected to different places
Yakuzza Lethecus: and there were only 25 groups allowed
Chi Aho: So you are Sartre Placebo at phil. island and yakuzza here
Yakuzza Lethecus: or on various other places, but ppl i know know aobut sartre usually
Yakuzza Lethecus: who are you if i may ask as your alt ?
Chi Aho: Yaku, why do people turn in their avi's and get an alt? It must have something to do with identity; if I choose to disclose something personal, then i will disclose it, but otherwise this prying is unnecessary
Yakuzza Lethecus: as i mentioned i have an alt and that alt was open
Yakuzza Lethecus: to almost all ppl i know and he´s publicly mentioned even in the pab chatlogs
Chi Aho: ok; i'd prefer not discussing alts
Yakuzza Lethecus: would you mind telling me ur alt ?
Chi Aho: Yaku, that is what is known as "a loaded question"
Chi Aho: Do you know the definition of a loaded question?
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s not a trick, i simply have the feeling that you don´t have positive intentions towards me and would like to know who´s accusing me of something
Chi Aho: You feel that I would like to know who is accusing you of someting? Is that correct?
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: do you have to tell me something ?
Chi Aho: no
Yakuzza Lethecus: i recognize that you changed ur profile
Yakuzza Lethecus: you don´t write ,,i am not chinese" anymore
Yakuzza Lethecus: wb korel
Chi Aho: hello, Korel
Korel Laloix: Heya
Korel Laloix: Way laggy today for me.
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes it is
Chi Aho: I must be going now.
Korel Laloix: Tschusse
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye chi
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Chi Aho: Goodbye and peace to all.
Korel Laloix: What did I miss?
Yakuzza Lethecus: well i also got to go to bed
Korel Laloix: OK... take care then.
Yakuzza Lethecus: you missed something disturbing