2008.07.13 01:00 - Everything is Perfect as it is?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Moon Fargis. The comments are from whoever wants to write them.

    Moon Fargis: hi bertrum
    Bertrum Quan: Hi Moon!
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    Bertrum Quan: Thank you, again, for all of your help the other day.
    Moon Fargis: no problemo
    Bertrum Quan: Those rocks are terrific!
    Moon Fargis: hehe yes do you got rock textures in your inventory?
    Bertrum Quan: I don't think so...
    Bertrum Quan: I spent some additional time at your sim. It's a wonderful creation...
    Bertrum Quan accepted your inventory offer.
    Moon Fargis: thanks:)
    Bertrum Quan: Oh, thank you!
    Moon Fargis: some of them are quiet usefull :)
    Bertrum Quan: I see if I can learn how to use them...
    Bertrum Quan: Today, I learned that I could stretch the rocks...
    Moon Fargis: hi fael
    Bertrum Quan: Hi Fael!
    Fael Illyar: Hi Moon, Bert :)
    Moon Fargis: bertrul. yes trech resize and also restexture is possible
    Fael Illyar: Yes, it's possible to make them look quite different with simple changes :)
    Moon Fargis: just rezz a rock, open your inventory, choose a rock texture, hold down ctrl and drag the texture file from your inventory at the rock
    Moon Fargis: this the easiest way
    Bertrum Quan: I'll try it tomorrow. Thank you!
    Moon Fargis: oh fael, you changed youe much in your look now :)
    Moon Fargis: quiet much i mean
    Moon Fargis: looks good
    Moon Fargis is still eating some cake with the other hand
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Bertrum Quan: Do we know if Pema is attending?
    Fael Illyar: probably not, today is Moon's session.
    Moon Fargis: yes, we will see him at the guardian meeting
    Fael Illyar: The wiki system had a software upgrade yesterday. The pages open noticeably faster now :)
    Moon Fargis: ok nice
    Bertrum Quan: You have done quite a bit of work. Thank you for all of that!
    Fael Illyar: that was not my work :P
    Faenik: ah :)
    Fael Illyar: the upgrade that is.
    Moon Fargis: so bertrum, where you able to delete some objects from your parcel?
    Bertrum Quan: Yes. It is a perfect 65!
    Moon Fargis: :)
    Bertrum Quan: Now the challenge is the artistic creation. That's more difficult.
    Moon Fargis: yes true:)
    Bertrum Quan: I appreciate all of the help.
    Bertrum Quan: Fael and Pema have had some very interesting conversations,
    Bertrum Quan: May I follow up on a thought I had related to it?
    Moon Fargis: sure!
    Bertrum Quan: Fael was advancing the comcept that everything is information,
    Bertrum Quan: concept...
    Bertrum Quan: Today, at the conclusion of the Zen Retreat sitting, I had the following thought about it.
    Bertrum Quan: Whether or not it is true that eveything is information, it seems to me the question might relate to harmony with what is,,,
    Bertrum Quan: Dos that make sense Fael?
    Fael Illyar has no idea what you mean with "harmony with what is".
    Faenik: why not?
    Bertrum Quan: From my own perspective after the sitting, I felt a instant of harmony. No words... Harmony is my attempt to describe it.
    Moon Fargis: ah crash
    Fael Illyar: crashes might pose a problem with the log.
    Moon Fargis: :)
    Moon Fargis: true
    Moon Fargis: i will post it in the wiky, can you add the thing i missed?
    Moon Fargis: i
    Fael Illyar: sure
    Moon Fargis: thx
    Bertrum Quan: All that is, that exists (you defined that as information). To be in harmony ... that what I hope to see.
    Fael Illyar: could that also be expressed as "everything is perfect as is"?
    Moon Fargis: well for sure it is in harmony, the one who interprets it as information makes a disharmony ou of it with his mind
    Faenik: �る��^^
    Fael Illyar: Moon, do note that my "information" when I talked about that ideas seems to be rather close to Being.
    Moon Fargis: well seems i have to read he conversation tobe fully understand it
    Bertrum Quan: Yes. It is rather abstract. I just wondered what Fael thought about the concept of harmony and the nature of Being... (give the prior discussions.,.
    Bertrum Quan: given
    Fael Illyar: I guess I could define the way I meant "information" to be whatever it is that is this "wordless thought" that I do most of my thinking with.
    Bertrum Quan: Yes.
    Faenik: indeed?
    Bertrum Quan: Anf harmony?
    Bertrum Quan: and
    Fael Illyar: so... if there was to be something not expressable as this "information", we would be entirely unable to perceive it.
    Fael Illyar: I'm still hesitant to say anything about this harmony since I'm a bit unclear on what you mean with it.
    Fael Illyar: but I don't see anything I'd interpret as disharmony if that's what you mean
    Bertrum Quan: To be entirely in turm with everything pereceived (and not perceived)--to be in tune what what IS, is the idea I thought about.
    Bertrum Quan: in tune with everything perceived
    Bertrum Quan: Moon, I've really enjoyed your sim as I've mentioned to you before.
    Bertrum Quan: I'm interestied in hearing from you the artist's statement... your artistic goals for the sim.
    Faenik: why not?
    Moon Fargis: well all my plans where finished, my prims are mostly all used, so i think there wont be large changes anymore,
    Fael Illyar: I think Bert meant what you had in mind when you were building it?
    Moon Fargis: ah
    Moon Fargis: hmm soms sort of nice place to live and relax, a buddhist place ofcourse where peaople can come down from their stessed days in rl and sl :)
    Faenik: why not?
    Moon Fargis: also to create a litte sangha of buddhists with meditations and talks
    Bertrum Quan: Yes, I do think you have succeeded. I'm only been in SL less than 2 months, but I've been very impressed by the creativity on some many levels. What Dakini and Storm have built as well...
    Bertrum Quan: These are such beautiful environments
    Fael Illyar: Yes, there are many creative people around here :)
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Moon Fargis: yes i wonder how large sl will grow.. so many sims ans users already
    Fael Illyar: Considering the direction things are going, SL is going to be just one part of a huge number of different, but compatible virtual world networks.
    Fael Illyar: it might well be the largest for quite some time though.
    Bertrum Quan: IT's really quite amazing how much creative energy has been invested here.
    Moon Fargis: yes:)
    Moon Fargis: already tryd to click at the wooden pab logo ?:)
    Fael Illyar: sirens, neon and fireworks :P
    Bertrum Quan: How do you both feel about the duality... RL/SL?
    Fael Illyar: pure illusion ;)
    Moon Fargis: yep
    Moon Fargis: both:)
    Faenik: why not?
    Bertrum Quan: That interesting Moon. Can you say more about that?
    Moon Fargis: hmm look at your mouse, what color does it get?
    Bertrum Quan: No mouse.
    Moon Fargis: trackball?
    Moon Fargis: touchpad?
    Bertrum Quan: No additional color all all other that of the metallic plastic.
    Bertrum Quan: at all
    Faenik loves wells!
    Moon Fargis: metallic plastic aha ok lets try a better example
    Moon Fargis: what colour does you pillow got you are sitting on ?
    Bertrum Quan: SL.. Yellow/gold
    Moon Fargis: who told you that its yellow/gold?
    Bertrum Quan: It "appears" to be those colors on the screen
    Moon Fargis: aha who told you that this is is called yellow or gold and nor blue/silver ?
    Bertrum Quan: something learned--a cold of short hand code that we learn...
    Moon Fargis: ok now forget about that definition
    Bertrum Quan: not cold---kind of
    Moon Fargis: no color
    Moon Fargis: no and also no pillow you arent sitting on a pillow right now
    Moon Fargis: your eye just interprets as real
    Moon Fargis: forget your eye and the definition in both, sl and rl
    Moon Fargis: what meaning does objects got for you then? without a name or colour? and also without the ability to touch them ?
    Moon Fargis: does they have a meaning then?
    Moon Fargis: or is reality just a illusion of your eyes and senses and what ypir learned about it
    Moon Fargis: you
    Bertrum Quan: I see what you mean.
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Bertrum Quan: Illusion.
    Bertrum Quan: But not delusion
    Fael Illyar: However, your original question was about the duality or RL/SL. Not either as is.
    Bertrum Quan: Yes.
    Faenik loves wells!
    Fael Illyar: I'd say no duality. Would you consider a telephone and RL separate?
    Bertrum Quan: No.
    Fael Illyar: People just often don't let you know their normal identities here.
    Bertrum Quan: Yes. That might be a "small" duality. In the larger sense, I agree with the point you've made.
    Fael Illyar: you can also make a phonecall without telling who you are.
    Fael Illyar: most people jsut don't do much of that.
    Bertrum Quan: It's somethng of a psychology duality in SL/RL. In the sense of identify.
    Fael Illyar: Yes, SL allows you to build an identity here that is meaningful on it's own.
    Bertrum Quan: Yes, but still a duality.
    Bertrum Quan: In that psychological way.
    Fael Illyar: It's a way to move from one set of haves to another set of haves
    Bertrum Quan: Yes. Today when I was thinking about harmony, I also thought of the dualty of what you've just termed "haves" and "haves."
    Fael Illyar: Hi Quilty
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi All.
    Moon Fargis: hi quilty
    Bertrum Quan: Hi Quilty.
    Quilty Bookmite: Am I interrupting?
    Bertrum Quan: No, not at all
    Quilty Bookmite: Sorry I missed the meeting.
    Moon Fargis: we are still in it:)
    Quilty Bookmite: Actually, that's not yet is it?
    Quilty Bookmite: OK. :-)
    Fael Illyar: still talking :P
    Quilty Bookmite: getting confused with my timezones. :-)
    Faenik: indeed?
    Quilty Bookmite: I was out on my bike.
    Fael Illyar: "haves" and "haves" ... you could say that you have them both all the time or then you could say you really have neither.
    Bertrum Quan: Moon, what do you think?
    Faenik: �る��^^
    Moon Fargis: i say that having a ride on a bike is good when you have a bike
    Fael Illyar: (both of the options I just said being right and wrong at once)
    Bertrum Quan: A paradox.
    Quilty Bookmite: Well, I am lucky. :-)
    Moon Fargis: having no gide on a bike is also good wen you dont have one, then you dont have wounds of your fall to the ground becasue of the broken wheel of the bike you dont have
    Quilty Bookmite: Are you talking about attachment?
    Fael Illyar is finding herself amused with Moon.
    Bertrum Quan also finding myself asmused with Moon.
    Moon Fargis: i should co to cabaret then :)
    Moon Fargis: g
    Bertrum Quan: I think you also make an interesting points to ponder...
    Bertrum Quan: point
    Faenik: ah :)
    Moon Fargis: ah ::)
    Moon Fargis: ok i have to leave for some reinstalls now, something serious acting up
    Fael Illyar: Ok, see you later Moon :)
    Moon Fargis: i think a meeting of 1h 22 min is long enought too :)#
    Quilty Bookmite: :-)
    Quilty Bookmite: I will go and explore. Thank you. :-)
    Moon Fargis: for the logs, fael, i will tell you when i uploaded it to wiki
    Moon Fargis: ok see you soon
    Fael Illyar: Ok :)

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