2008.07.17 13:00 - Exactly It

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    Storm was guardian at the Pavilion and the comments are Storm's.

    Already the regulars, including a bunch of Europeans, were arriving.

    Storm Nordwind: Hello Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Storm :)
    Storm Nordwind: How are you today?
    Adams Rubble: A little harried but catching my breath. How are you?
    Fael Illyar: Hi Adams, Storm :)
    Adams Rubble: Hi Fael :)
    Storm Nordwind: Not too bad. Hi Fael!
    Fael Illyar: Ok, another meeting in row now :)
    Storm Nordwind: I was reading your blog and saw how busy you were. It's nice to see you take a few minutes out to visit here.
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Gaya
    Adams Rubble: I seem to fall behind if I skip sessions
    Adams Rubble: Hi Gaya :)
    Fael Illyar: fall behind?
    Gaya Ethaniel: hello everyone :)
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble: maybe out of sync
    Adams Rubble: you're tough Fael :)
    Fael Illyar: tough?
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Storm Nordwind: I find that with many things, momentum is good
    Adams Rubble: not going to let me get away with falling behind
    Adams Rubble: no Ladder of Heaven to being
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Adams Rubble: I don't have the momentum I had but I am listening more, learning more about people
    Storm Nordwind: That can be good too
    Adams Rubble: It's not about me anymore :)
    Storm Nordwind: Who or what is it about now?
    Gaya Ethaniel strives to do the same
    Adams Rubble: I think I am learning more about the Group
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Gaya Ethaniel nods

    Meanwhile, Fael was parachuting in another new visitor!

    Fael Illyar: We seem to be getting new participant :)
    Fael Illyar: if he gets my tp.
    Gaya Ethaniel: what's tp?
    Storm Nordwind: Teleport
    Fael Illyar: teleport offer
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah
    Fael Illyar: Hello Eponymous :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: hello Eponymous
    Storm Nordwind: Welcome Mr. Drake!
    Gaya Ethaniel: good to see you again :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eponymous :)
    Eponymous Drake: Hello Gaya Fael.
    Eponymous Drake: Hello Storm, Adams.
    Adams Rubble: Storm this is my sixth week anniversary of my first session which was with you
    Storm Nordwind: Wow!
    Eponymous Drake: thanks for inviting me to the group.
    Gaya Ethaniel: wow... great
    Eponymous Drake: I am not a buddhist per se, but a fan of zen
    Fael Illyar: oh right, I should keep track of my anniversaries :)
    Adams Rubble is not a Buddhist
    Storm Nordwind: That's OK. Only a handful of us are Buddhist here
    Gaya Ethaniel: :) you could provide many interesting pointers Eponymous
    Adams Rubble: welcome Eponymous
    Fael Illyar: This is not a religious group as such :)
    Storm Nordwind: Quite so
    Gaya Ethaniel nods

    I gave Fael a prod to explain what we were all doing here. Meanwhile I helped myself to tea and Adams sipped iced champagne...

    Storm Nordwind: How much do you know about what we do Eponymous?
    Fael Illyar: I didn't have time to explain almost anything.
    Fael Illyar: So nothing would be very close :)
    Storm Nordwind: Maybe you'd like to take the time now! :)
    Fael Illyar: Yes, I suppose I'll do that :)
    Eponymous Drake: Nothing!
    Eponymous Drake: Beginner's mind
    Storm Nordwind takes the oppourtunity for a drink of piping hot chawan
    Fael Illyar: Play as Being is a group of people who do these so called "explorations", some more and some less. Some just come to the meetings.
    Glass of Champagne whispers: Toast
    Fael Illyar: the exploration is a 9 second "pause from everything" that we do every 15 minutes.
    Fael Illyar: (9 second is guideline)
    Fael Illyar: 4 meetings per day, every 6 hours. 1am, 7am, 1pm, 7pm SLT
    Eponymous Drake: brb
    Eponymous Drake: (in 9 or more seconds)
    Storm Nordwind likes people with a sense of humour like that!
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: There is a blog at http://playasbeing.wordpress.<wbr/>com/ where logs of our meetings are posted. hopefully you don't mind your name and/or what you say being logged there?
    Faenik: why not?
    Adams Rubble: :0
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Nice one Faenik!
    Fael Illyar sometimes has doubts about the randomness of SL's random number algorithms.
    Storm Nordwind agrees!

    At this point, Gaya must have been looking at some optical effect...

    Gaya Ethaniel: i can't see it...
    Gaya Ethaniel: light on the table?
    Gaya Ethaniel: sorry pls continue
    Fael Illyar: it's invisible light ball
    Gaya Ethaniel: ok... thanks :)
    Fael Illyar: ctrl-alt-t once to see it, second time to hide again.

    While Eponymous was away, I picked up on something Adams had said about it being her 6 'weekiversary'.

    Storm Nordwind: Well, while our friend Eponymous is away, I'd be interested to know about your last 6 weeks Adams. Big changes? Little changes? No changes?
    Adams Rubble: Oh my. I am not sure. I looped at least twice, i.e. came back to my starting point
    Adams Rubble: The biggest thing I learned was controlling anger
    Adams Rubble: and then anxiety
    Adams Rubble: tools to control that is
    Storm Nordwind: That's wonderful!
    Fael Illyar: yes, the starting point. That's the important point.
    Fael Illyar: that's the destination
    Storm Nordwind: Many people go through whole life without finding tools for that
    Adams Rubble: Yes
    Storm Nordwind: Actually, many people go through their whole life without realising it might be a good idea to find tools in the first place!
    Adams Rubble: I've learned to ask questions of myself that look for where things are coming from
    Adams Rubble: ...and I have met a number of very nice people
    Fael Illyar: Yes, many people sadly aren't even interested in knowing the tools.
    Fael Illyar: even if they're told about them.
    Adams Rubble: I wonder Fael
    Adams Rubble: I would think it would be more ignorance

    Gaya came in with an interesting experience linking emotion and exercise.

    Gaya Ethaniel: may i add something?
    Storm Nordwind: Of course Gaya
    Storm Nordwind: You can always jump right in
    Fael Illyar: Always, Gaya :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I discovered my anger by running
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Fael Illyar wonders how long this needs to be repeated.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I was talking to a zen teacher and was getting angry/upset
    Adams Rubble: hi Quilty
    Gaya Ethaniel: he just ordered to me to shut ** and start running
    Quilty Bookmite: hi All
    Fael Illyar: Hi Quilty :)
    Adams Rubble: !!!
    Gaya Ethaniel: running helps to realise the physical sensations of being angry - it seemed to duplicate the same effect
    Fael Illyar: doesn't anger kind of prepare you for physical exercise?
    Eponymous Drake tries to catch up
    Gaya Ethaniel: hi Quilty btw
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi. :-)

    Eponymous, who had been away, managed to rejoin us.

    Eponymous Drake: is there a good place for me to read up on what you are doing in "Play as Being?"
    Storm Nordwind: Yes
    Fael Illyar: yes, http://playasbeing.wordpress.<wbr/>com/ contains logs of these meetings
    Fael Illyar: a few hundred of them
    Adams Rubble: 433
    Storm Nordwind: Look on the hints page to get an idea of what we are doing
    Eponymous Drake: I don't mind what I say being logged on the blog.
    Storm Nordwind: Cool
    Eponymous Drake: 9 seconds doesn't seem quite long enough to do much.
    Storm Nordwind: We substitute frequency for duration
    Eponymous Drake: Every hour or so I try to play a tune on the piano
    Storm Nordwind: It's an experiment
    Eponymous Drake: more like 9 minutes for that
    Fael Illyar: doing it every 15 minutes trains you in being able to let go and reclaim fast.
    Eponymous Drake: I understand
    Storm Nordwind: That is true Fael

    Eponymous made a game suggestion. I couldn't resist the obvious comment!

    Eponymous Drake: let me go read the blog
    Storm Nordwind: See you in a few days! :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar laughs out loud.
    Eponymous Drake: hah
    Adams Rubble is still laughing

    Then he raised the topic of twitter, something that's been mentioned a couple of times before here. and we went on to blogs as well...

    Eponymous Drake: Do any of you use "twitter?"
    Storm Nordwind: I try not to
    Quilty Bookmite: What is twitter?
    Fael Illyar: I sometimes use it to check on tweets from one person.
    Eponymous Drake: 9 seconds sound like the time it takes to make a post on twitter
    Eponymous Drake: it's a micro blog
    Eponymous Drake: 140 characters max per posting
    Eponymous Drake: twitter.com
    Storm Nordwind: Like an SMS
    Quilty Bookmite: Ah yes. I have heard of it.
    Fael Illyar: yes, twitter might be a good tool for writing down a word after each one
    Eponymous Drake: here's my page: http://twitter.com/<wbr/>eponymousdrake
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh i see
    Fael Illyar: you can even tweet from your cellphone
    Fael Illyar: ... if that works again now
    Eponymous Drake: it might be interesting to integrate tweeting with this experiment
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes that's what Adams has been doing Eponymous
    Storm Nordwind thinks that 140 characters in 9 seconds is very fast
    Adams Rubble blushes
    Gaya Ethaniel: http://rubblebornthoughts.<wbr/>wordpress.com/
    Gaya Ethaniel: it's really great
    Storm Nordwind: There are many of us writing blogs about what we do or what we've been inspired by with this practice
    Eponymous Drake: it sounds quite interesting
    Eponymous Drake: interesting even
    Eponymous Drake: give me time to absorb
    Fael Illyar doesn't have a blo... well, ok not exactly correct, I just don't have anything there.
    Adams Rubble: Yes, Storm has very interesting things to say
    Eponymous Drake: to grok the fullness
    Storm Nordwind thinks Adams perhaps exaggerates :)
    Adams Rubble knows better than to exaggerate
    Storm Nordwind: The amazing thing is this Eponymous...
    Storm Nordwind: Although the technique that we are doing is very old...
    Storm Nordwind: the method we are applying it is very new
    Storm Nordwind: So this is an experiment...
    Storm Nordwind: and you have the chance to take part in it like we are doing...
    Storm Nordwind: and break new ground as we do so.
    Storm Nordwind: But it's fun too
    Storm Nordwind: and these people are great!

    Right on the cue, on the half hour, Adams started to dematerialise...

    Adams Rubble fades away into the afternoon with a rousing GOODBYE to everyone
    Eponymous Drake: namaste Adams
    Storm Nordwind: Adams is on a strict 30 minutes attendance here!
    Eponymous Drake: I like the disciplined aspect of it
    Storm Nordwind: Just enough for a glass of champagne
    Fael Illyar: So it seems, always poofing around this time :)

    The bell sounded.

    Gaya Ethaniel relaxes with the 15 mins bell sound
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Fael Illyar: Ah, yes, we have a bell in this pavilion that gongs every 15 minutes
    Fael Illyar: the sound is around 9 seconds
    Eponymous Drake: I must thank Fael for telling me about this.
    Eponymous Drake: It might just be what I've been trying to find.
    Eponymous Drake: Experiments in being.
    Storm Nordwind: That may be possible, yes!
    Fael Illyar: That would be great :)
    Storm Nordwind: If nothing else it will lead you to great awareness of where you might be going
    Storm Nordwind: maybe!
    Fael Illyar: I didn't know I was looking for something but this was exactly it :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Storm Nordwind: You should say those words to Piet, Fael!
    Fael Illyar: :) I think I have
    Fael Illyar: He'll see them anyway :)

    Are you listening Piet? :)

    Eponymous Drake: what's that quote about an unexamined life...
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Storm Nordwind: Is one not worth living or something
    Eponymous Drake: ah yes, Socrates
    Storm Nordwind: (Apology 38a)
    Fael Illyar: I guess groups that meet 4 times every day are very rare :)
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. they must be
    Eponymous Drake: the 1am time is difficult
    Eponymous Drake: although I was up at 1am this morning with a feverish 2 year old
    Storm Nordwind: We have people that span the globe
    Gaya Ethaniel: indeed and each time is different
    Storm Nordwind: This slot is good for Europeans like us
    Fael Illyar: Yes, people from around the world :)
    Quilty Bookmite: Oh, not good. I hope your 2 year old is better.
    Fael Illyar: 1AM meeting is 11AM for me
    Gaya Ethaniel: me too :)
    Eponymous Drake: Hmm, freedom from identification feels very zen-like
    Fael Illyar: which makes this 11PM :)
    Quilty Bookmite: 9 p.m. for me.
    Gaya Ethaniel takes an early break at 9 AM for 1AM mtg

    Fael mentioned the Z word!

    Fael Illyar: Zen is perhaps the closest to PaB, ideologically.
    Storm Nordwind: I'm not so sure about the Zen link - though I see how it could be seen that way
    Fael Illyar: Being and Zen might be the same or might not.

    Eponymous reminded us of a familiar story, only in a new version (to me at least). It was Zen in origin and that led to talk of paradoxes.

    Eponymous Drake: reminds me of something I read in a book by Osho
    Eponymous Drake: about a mayor going to see a zen master
    Quilty Bookmite: I am more Zen than PaB, but then I am new to PaB. :-)
    Eponymous Drake: the master wouldn't let him in
    Eponymous Drake: until he stopped calling himself a mayor
    Eponymous Drake: since that's not who he was
    Storm Nordwind: That is a very old Zen story with many variants, yes!
    Gaya Ethaniel: how does PaB reminds you that story Eponymous?
    Eponymous Drake: the opening paragraphs of http://playasbeing.wordpress.<wbr/>com/hints-for-playing-as-<wbr/>being/
    Eponymous Drake: talk about not being identified as our attributes
    Quilty Bookmite: Maybe Zen and Pab are both the same thing and different. :-)
    Eponymous Drake: no matter, just where I come from
    Fael Illyar: Quilty haha, good one :)
    Eponymous Drake: zen is full of apparent paradox
    Eponymous Drake: which is why I enjoy it so much
    Storm Nordwind: http://www.101zenstories.com/<wbr/>index.php?story=30
    Fael Illyar: we also have a wiki that's in the process of getting started. Currently found at http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Gaya Ethaniel finds paradoxes baffling
    Eponymous Drake: oh yes Storm, that's the one
    Eponymous Drake: one of my favorites
    Quilty Bookmite: they aren't really paradoxes.
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Quilty Bookmite: Just seem that way. :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ?
    Eponymous Drake: "apparent"
    Fael Illyar: come to think of it, I no longer feel the things about Being or Zen are paradoxes.
    Storm Nordwind: Me too Fael
    Eponymous Drake: nor do I
    Eponymous Drake: but I still feel the tickle
    Gaya Ethaniel: are we talking about seeing the whole not breaking things down?
    Storm Nordwind: On the other hand, sometimes I cannot tell the difference between what I am realising through PaB and what is coming from massive Buddhist development anyway. It's a big time for me it seems
    Quilty Bookmite: Not touching only a part of the elephant? :-)
    Eponymous Drake: OK, I must go eat something.
    Storm Nordwind: First catch your mango!
    Quilty Bookmite: Good to meet you Eponymous.
    Eponymous Drake: Please remind me of the next meeting
    Gaya Ethaniel: good to talk Eponymous hope to see you again
    Eponymous Drake: I will try to attend.
    Storm Nordwind: Come again. Most welcome :)
    Fael Illyar: Whenever you've got time :)
    Fael Illyar: 4 times a day :)
    Quilty Bookmite: 1 and 7 am and pm
    Fael Illyar: setting up a bell sound to play every 15 minutes ended up reminding me about the meetings as well :)
    Eponymous Drake: easy to remember
    Eponymous Drake: 1717
    Fael Illyar: http://www.mindfulnessdc.org/<wbr/>mindfulclock.html works if you use windows
    Eponymous Drake: Friends don't let friends...
    Eponymous Drake: (sorry)
    Eponymous Drake: ;)
    Fael Illyar: haha, do you want my cron script that I use to play the sound?
    Eponymous Drake: maybe somebody has written a Dashboard widget
    Fael Illyar: perhaps
    Quilty Bookmite: Hmmmm. I'm sure I could knock something together in Java.
    Gaya Ethaniel: good day
    Eponymous Drake: fare well
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now
    Fael Illyar: Bye Eponymous :)
    Quilty Bookmite: Bye
    Eponymous Drake: byer Faie
    Fael Illyar: Finally someone who can't use the link :P

    Quilty pleasantly surprised me by suddenly bringing up a favourite topic of mine!

    Quilty Bookmite: Since the subject of Zen came up.... :-)
    Quilty Bookmite: I have had some thoughts. So far I haven't built anything in SL.
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes
    Quilty Bookmite: I have in mind a project. I want to build an Avalokitesvara shrine. A small hut for one person to meditate in.
    Storm Nordwind: whoaaaaa! great!
    Quilty Bookmite: I would like to script it so that only one person can be in there at a time.
    Storm Nordwind: why so?
    Quilty Bookmite: It may not seem very social but there are loads of places for group meditation.
    Quilty Bookmite: It would be very much in the tradition of the order I am in.
    Quilty Bookmite: And I want to include a meditation timer which would play appropriate gongs.
    Storm Nordwind: I would be tempted to ask Avalokitesvara what he wanted - but that's just me!
    Quilty Bookmite: I will certainly do that. :-)
    Quilty Bookmite: Thank you Storm.
    Gaya Ethaniel wants to build the sitting Maitreya
    Storm Nordwind: All of my gardens are built for Avalokitesvara in female form
    Quilty Bookmite: i noticed that. That's why I thought I would mention it now. :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: lovely place Storm
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you Gaya
    Quilty Bookmite: the monastery I occasionally go to has such a shrine. It's a lovely little hut by a waterfall.
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Storm Nordwind: lovely
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Quilty Bookmite: Maitreya is also good Gaya. :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: have you seen the seated Maitreya from Korea?
    Gaya Ethaniel: it's a bit like Rodin just much older :)
    Storm Nordwind has seen so many large eastern statues that they have started to blur into each other
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh this is kind of unique
    Gaya Ethaniel: http://images.google.co.uk/<wbr/>imgres?imgurl=http://mahan.<wbr/>wonkwang.ac.kr/jm/goldbuda.<wbr/>jpg&imgrefurl=http://mahan.<wbr/>wonkwang.ac.kr/jm/mirug.htm&h=<wbr/>1107&w=745&sz=120&hl=en&start=<wbr/>1&sig2=eXI01dwAl7q684Z78yICdw&<wbr/>um=1&tbnid=A3y71eMV3puEJM:&<wbr/>tbnh=150&tbnw=101&ei=CbF_<wbr/>SNmzMIOy1gbq3JTTCQ&prev=/<wbr/>images%3Fq%3D%25EB%25AF%25B8%<wbr/>25EB%25A5%25B5%26um%3D1%26hl%<wbr/>3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%<wbr/>26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:<wbr/>official%26sa%3DN
    Gaya Ethaniel: is an example... sorry bit long that one
    Storm Nordwind: You are right it is unique
    Quilty Bookmite: Ah yes I have seen a close-up of the face. Truly beautiful!
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes... i think it's beautiful
    Gaya Ethaniel: http://cfs6.blog.daum.net/<wbr/>image/24/blog/2007/10/04/11/<wbr/>04/47044a31e1fe4&filename=%EB%<wbr/>AF%B8%EB%A5%B5%EB%B3%B4%EC%82%<wbr/>B4%EB%B0%98%EA%B0%80%EC%82%AC%<wbr/>EC%9C%A0%EC%83%81.jpg
    Gaya Ethaniel: sorry but this one better
    Quilty Bookmite: What would you like to do with Maitreya?
    Gaya Ethaniel: would like to have a statue in a little house/hut :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: maybe attach a notecard about the period/kingdom that style come from and so on
    Fael Illyar: too bad Adams left, I'm sure she'd have loved the topic.
    Gaya Ethaniel: :) I will send her an email
    Fael Illyar: she'll read the log I think :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks Storm :)
    Quilty Bookmite: I hope so. :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah yes!
    Gaya Ethaniel: wishes everyone well and slips out quietly
    Quilty Bookmite: Maitreya is the Buddha that is yet to come.
    Quilty Bookmite: Bye Gaya
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Gaya
    Storm Nordwind: Will you have a statue or an image Quilty?
    Quilty Bookmite: There is a very westernised image of Avalokitesvara painted by a monk in the order I am in. I was thinking of asking permission to use it.
    Storm Nordwind: Wow. How many arms?
    Quilty Bookmite: Just 2. :-)
    Storm Nordwind: ok
    Quilty Bookmite: She (looks very female in this case) is sitting on the head of a dragon surrounded by stormy waters.
    Fael Illyar: what's this with more than 2 arms by the way?
    Quilty Bookmite: And pouring water from a small flask.
    Quilty Bookmite: Avalokitesvara has a thousand arms and a thousand eyes.
    Storm Nordwind: A little like the one behind one of my waterfalls?
    Storm Nordwind: Or 4 arms
    Storm Nordwind: or just 2
    Quilty Bookmite: I haven't seen it. I will take a look.
    Quilty Bookmite: There are many different forms.
    Storm Nordwind: I'll show you in a minute if you like
    Quilty Bookmite: Thank you.
    Fael Illyar: I've seen pictures of the 4 armed version sometimes I think
    Storm Nordwind: The one in my gompa here is 4 armed
    Quilty Bookmite: Here is a small version of the image I am thinking of using. http://www.obcon.org/avalo.jpg
    Quilty Bookmite: I misremembered it. No dragon. :-)
    Storm Nordwind: Very nice
    Storm Nordwind: I love them all
    Quilty Bookmite: Avalokitesvara and also Achalanatha are two figures that come up often in my practice.
    Storm Nordwind: Why do you think that is?
    Quilty Bookmite: They both represent aspects of compassion - which for me is a very complex thing.
    Storm Nordwind: /nods
    Quilty Bookmite: But Achalanatha may scare people off. :-) http://www.dharmanet.com.br/<wbr/>zen/fudo.jpg
    Storm Nordwind: Not really!
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Quilty Bookmite: Well, he is supposed to be fierce.
    Storm Nordwind: Check out two of the pictures in my gompa!
    Quilty Bookmite: I will. Thank you. :-)
    Storm Nordwind: I am thinking of going there now. You are welcome to come and see those pictures I mentioned.
    Quilty Bookmite: I probably need to go soon but I'm sure I can spare a few minutes.
    Storm Nordwind: Then I will say goodnight Fael!
    Fael Illyar: Good night Storm :)
    Quilty Bookmite: Goodnight Fael.
    Fael Illyar: Good night Quilty :)

    Quilty and I went off to Mieum and the Kuan Yin Terraces.
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