2008.07.20 19:00 - Just the Beginning

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    Pia Iger was the guardian and she gave the comments.

    Only Gaya was at Pavilion when I arrived.

    Gaya Ethaniel: oh hi Pia
    Pia Iger: Hi, Gaya, isn't it late for you now?
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes <sigh> my mind is very noisy - realise what i need to do to quieten down but then also remembered PaB and i'm here now for a little while
    Pia Iger: ok. do you want to talk a bit of what you have in your mind?
    Pia Iger: very quiet tonight
    Gaya Ethaniel: sorry just changing camera angle sure i'd like to as you want to hear it
    Gaya Ethaniel: is it normally busier than this?
    Pia Iger: yes. this time usually is busiest.
    Gaya Ethaniel: hm... any thoughts on why that would be?
    Pia Iger: no idea, maybe ppl get ready for Monday, rest earlier.
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes hard to say really
    Gaya Ethaniel: so my mind...
    Gaya Ethaniel: since i've started to come to PaB (then anytime i've spent in SL in general), i see more thoughts appearing in my mind
    Pia Iger: have you taken notes?
    Gaya Ethaniel: notes?
    Pia Iger: every time doing 9 sec stopping, we are encouraged to take a note of what comes to our mind.
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes i do when i remember to do so
    Pia Iger: great! this is supposed to be very important part of our practice.
    Pia Iger: so you are clearer what are the thoughts appearing in your mind.
    Gaya Ethaniel: do you take notes?
    Pia Iger: I do. not as often as I want to. but I like what I wrote so far.
    Gaya Ethaniel: have you found it 'important'? i guess you mean useful here?
    Pia Iger: Mmm sort of. Not sure if they are the same.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ok to answer your question on thoughts being clearer
    Gaya Ethaniel: my thoughts are clearer because of many different reasons, notes could be one factor - hard to say as i haven't reflected on this for enough time yet
    Pia Iger: to me, I notice every day, so many thoughts running through my mind, like wild butterfly
    Pia Iger: by taking notes, I sort of catch them and can observe them closely
    Pia Iger: either as Fael words, "reveal our hidden assumptions"
    Pia Iger: or catching the fleeting realization.
    Gaya Ethaniel: how do 'hidden assumptioins' relate to the 'butterflies'?
    Pia Iger: butterfly was  a metaphor.
    Pia Iger: means the thoughts flying around in my mind
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes thoughts... but i'm not sure whether i would equate thoughts to assumptions
    Gaya Ethaniel: or fleeing realisation for that matter
    Pia Iger: not equating.
    Pia Iger: just examples.
    Gaya Ethaniel: who do they stand in relation to each other for you?
    Pia Iger: thoughts are what appears in our mind.
    Pia Iger: many of our thoughts, maybe most, have some assumptions inside.
    Pia Iger: do you want to give one of your thoughts, so we can discuss in details?
    Pia Iger: Hi, Neela
    Gaya Ethaniel: hi Neela
    Neela Blaisdale: Hello Pia and Gaya
    Neela Blaisdale: Sorry to be late
    Gaya Ethaniel: np at all
    Pia Iger: np. sit with us.
    Pia Iger: Neela, we were talking about, by taking note, we can notice the assumption we made in many of our thoughts.
    Gaya Ethaniel: and i was going to give one of my thoughts as an example in relation to the statement Pia just typed
    Neela Blaisdale: I'll be interested to hear
    Gaya Ethaniel: hang on i need to re-read the conversation just before you joined Neela, pls excuse
    Gaya Ethaniel: Pia i think you've moved slightly off from where we were
    Pia Iger: so where do you want to focus on?
    Gaya Ethaniel: we were discussing how thoughts, assumptions and realisations stand in relation to each other and decided to use one of my thoughts for this process
    Gaya Ethaniel: not really about notes helping us noticing our thoughts more
    Gaya Ethaniel: i'm happy to discuss either - any suggestions?
    Pia Iger: I thought we were talking about the benefits of taking notes, which included noticing our assumptions in our thoughts.
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes that was the spark - starting point
    Pia Iger: anyway, we can start from one of your note.
    Gaya Ethaniel: sorry Pia you want my thoughts or note? tonight's thoughts are not on note yet (not sure whether i'd put it in...) but since you asked for a note
    Gaya Ethaniel: I was able to watch 'victim' and 'judge' talking within my mind a few days ago
    Pia Iger: ah ha.
    Gaya Ethaniel: got there eventually :)
    Pia Iger: you are both victim and judge?
    Gaya Ethaniel: really my pleasure, thanks to you both for taking time to talk to me
    Neela Blaisdale: anytime
    Gaya Ethaniel: no i didn't identify with anyone there... though my emotions did lean onto victim at some point of this event however not fixed throughout
    Pia Iger: what kind of victim?
    Gaya Ethaniel: what kind? could you be more specific?
    Pia Iger: what wrong was done to victim?
    Gaya Ethaniel: hmmm hard to say
    Gaya Ethaniel: i'm not sure to be honest - i didn't see any harm being done on the victim while i was there
    Gaya Ethaniel: just crying really
    Pia Iger: what was hurtful? you don't know.
    Gaya Ethaniel: not sure
    Pia Iger: so how can judge work on this case?
    Pia Iger: not knowing what is the wrong-do?
    Gaya Ethaniel: judge seemed to be just there - recognisable by how it looks with all the trimmings - maybe appearing to be saying something sometime but nothing was heard
    Gaya Ethaniel: just both victim and judge appeared - does this make sense?
    Pia Iger: so how do you feel when you watch 'victim' and 'judge' talking

    Gaya Ethaniel: suddenly realised RL person crying when victim was recognised but then judge came into focus also then RL person started to stop crying


    It was like a riddle. Neela only listened for a short time, then left. I eventually understood what Gaya were talking about. But in respect of her request, I can not post the balance of our conversation. So you have here, just the beginning...

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