2008.12.10 07:00 - Big Bigness

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    "all" has no edges - CH


    Fael Illyar: Hi Cal :)
    Caledonia Heron: hey there :)
    Susi Alcott: hi Cal
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Cal.
    Crusty Goldshark: hi cal
    Caledonia Heron: heya, hi, howdy, hola :)
    Crusty Goldshark: :)
    Fael Illyar: Corvi liked the conversation enough that it's posted on her blog at
    Fael Illyar: Well, the start of it at least :)
    Faenik: indeed?
    Crusty Goldshark: hi adams
    Caledonia Heron: hi Susi, your label says you are a guardian, ... it's nice to meet you :)
    Susi Alcott: ty
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi adams!
    Caledonia Heron: hey Adams :)
    Susi Alcott: nice to meet U too
    Susi Alcott: hi Adams
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: sorry, Susi..I missed a bit at the top.
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Everyone :)
    Caledonia Heron: how's everyone doing?
    Adams Dubrovna: Nice to meet you Susi :)
    Susi Alcott: ty the same
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I am doing ok...hope you are?
    Susi Alcott: yes



    Caledonia Heron: good :) I'm in the south, it flippin snowed ... !!!
    Fael Illyar: I'm doing quite good today :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Snow is good
    Adams Dubrovna: sez you Crusty :)
    Caledonia Heron: lol, if you're outside, it's good for about 20 min :)
    Crusty Goldshark: :)
    Caledonia Heron: unless you're <12 yr old :)
    Crusty Goldshark: snow is cold?
    Caledonia Heron: merely an illusion :)
    Crusty Goldshark: 12 yr old - may favourite age to remain at . . .
    Fael Illyar: Hello ynot
    Caledonia Heron: most excellent age for gross out jokes :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Anyone practice tumo?
    ynot Kytori: Hello
    Faenik: could be
    Crusty Goldshark: hello ynot
    Caledonia Heron: hey ynot :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello ynot
    ynot Kytori: Hi everyone
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi
    Susi Alcott: hi ynot



    Caledonia Heron: would you care to join us? we are the play as being discussion group
    ynot Kytori: Sure
    Crusty Goldshark: Apart from me - I gibber in the corner . . .
    Caledonia Heron:
     for info
    ynot Kytori: Thanks
    Caledonia Heron: we record our sessions, are you ok with your comments included?
    ynot Kytori: Yes
    Caledonia Heron: ok ty :)



    Crusty Goldshark: I am still working up to meditating for the full 9 seconds
    Caledonia Heron: that being said ... as we were :)
    Adams Dubrovna: :) Crusty
    Caledonia Heron: don't tax yourself :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire knows he's just looking for a pillow whopping.
    Crusty Goldshark: thanks cal
    Adams Dubrovna: Once you get up to 8 1/2 seconds, the last one is easy
    Crusty Goldshark: [looks worried] got bashed twice this morning - must be good . ..
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I'll try not to be too intimidating today.
    Caledonia Heron: it's that time of year ... naughty or nice :)
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Caledonia Heron: maybe I'll be nicely naughty
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Crusty Goldshark: I find that when I do a lot of meditation I generate tumo or inner heat - just don't feel the cold - 9 secs probably won't be long enough for tumo
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_



    Crusty Goldshark: Part of this groups remit is about reality . . . wassat?
    Fael Illyar: remit? what's that?
    Caledonia Heron: idk, some made up thing people seem to glom onto :)
    Crusty Goldshark: remit - eh - reason for being at play . . .
    Fael Illyar: well, suppose it is about reality, especially when it's trying to have people realize it's not as solid as they thought :)
    Crusty Goldshark: So what is unreal?
    Fael Illyar: why does it have to mean it's unreal?
    Susi Alcott: nothing
    Crusty Goldshark: If people experience something does it have a form of reality?
    Susi Alcott: sure
    Susi Alcott: you crusty said something about tumo...
    Crusty Goldshark: So is nothing unreal or experiencable? What have those crazy Buddhists been up to?
    Caledonia Heron: it's a framework - a form the experience can be explained in maybe
    Crusty Goldshark: About tumo - yes?
    Caledonia Heron: ultimely no-thing Crusty
    Caledonia Heron: nothing
    Susi Alcott: maybe buddhism aims to help ppl to see more possibilities to change something they want to change
    Caledonia Heron: maybe it's another framework -
    Susi Alcott: yes
    Caledonia Heron: a perspective



    Crusty Goldshark: A sort of pragmatic pschology this Buddhism then?
    Susi Alcott: your very right
    Fael Illyar: Yes, that sounds about right.
    Crusty Goldshark: not politically
    Faenik: why not?
    Susi Alcott: surely not political
    Crusty Goldshark: I am too much of a fascist to belong to a party . . .
    Caledonia Heron: like the explanation frameworks people subscribe to, some to religion, some to science, a way to explain experience
    Crusty Goldshark: :)
    Susi Alcott: truely ?
    Caledonia Heron: it's a joke son :)
    Susi Alcott: ty
    Susi Alcott: sry; I dont have so huge much sense of humor
    Caledonia Heron: s'ok, plenty in residence here, it will rub off :)
    Crusty Goldshark: me neither - humour is very difficult to type in . . .
    Susi Alcott: lol
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Caledonia Heron: sometimes it works in text :)
    Faenik: ????^^
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Susi Alcott: ;0)



    Crusty Goldshark: Can we be aware in a particular way during our 9 seconds - for example be aware in a humorous way?
    Susi Alcott: sure
    Crusty Goldshark: Kewl
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, I think so
    Caledonia Heron: some 9 secs rock your boat more/less/different I think
    Adams Dubrovna: Excuse me, RL calls. Bye everyone :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye, Adams.
    Crusty Goldshark: I think I might do 9 seconds of hysterical inner laughter - in an aware sort of way [dodges pillow]
    Crusty Goldshark: Bye Adams
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Caledonia Heron: sometimes I don't know how long it is ... the "nine" part of the 9sec is a sleight of hand methinks :)



    Fael Illyar has a faint recollection of bursting laughing after one specific 9-seconds.
    Fael Illyar: no recollection of what it was about though :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Well the reason I ask is because awareness can have flavours or moods we can be aware in a particular mood. Is that right?
    Susi Alcott: indeed
    Crusty Goldshark: What I mean is we can generate mood
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: my understanding is that we all get to choose how our 9 seconds happens.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: or experiment in our own way with it
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: so...
    Crusty Goldshark: - I go for a short 9 seconds
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
    Caledonia Heron: I get that - it takes the flavour of where you're at
    Fael Illyar: choose ... at least partially. :)



    Caledonia Heron: what about the times when there's nothing though?
    Susi Alcott: such moment there's 'all'
    Susi Alcott: some ppl call that to be the silence
    Caledonia Heron: there's no flavour, no mood, more like a big open, a big bigness
    Crusty Goldshark: oh
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Crusty Goldshark: like a feeling of expansion
    Susi Alcott: that's silence
    Caledonia Heron: I want to give it a where, but there's no where there ... :)
    Susi Alcott: true
    Faenik: indeed?
    Susi Alcott: 'all' dont have any edges
    Susi Alcott: no specific location either



    Crusty Goldshark: I think I might try and break my record and go for 36 seconds of big bigness
    Crusty Goldshark: BRB
    Caledonia Heron: :)
    Faenik: ah :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Done
    Crusty Goldshark: Soon I will be hitting the minute mark . . . no stopping me . . .
    Fael Illyar: doesn't measuring the length disturb doing it?
    Crusty Goldshark: Probably but I don't think of that
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: did you give up on doing it with attitude?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I kinda liked that idea.
    Crusty Goldshark: So it is not disturbing
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Crusty Goldshark: attitude - yes good plan - Ok gonna go for 9 seconds with humour followed by 9 seconds of metta - that should keep me occupied for 18 secs
    Caledonia Heron: it doesn't turn on and off like that for me ... a random grasshopper :)
    Caledonia Heron: oh well



    Crusty Goldshark: another successful 18 secs of meditation with attitude :)
    Fael Illyar: It's easy when you can decide it's successful no matter what happens :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: so that's the secret...
    Crusty Goldshark: Yes - indeed - I could try 9 seconds of success perhaps?
    Susi Alcott: I'de say; to all
    Caledonia Heron: hmmm, had not considered success perspective, more the reflection of the nowness
    Fael Illyar: yes, not the secret of just meditation
    Caledonia Heron: there aren't any secrets I don't think, there are no burning bushes :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Well successis a quality so will try a bit of method acting mediation and be succesful for 9 secs
    Susi Alcott: no secrets; only sacreds
    Faenik: no burning bushes? a shame...
    Faenik loves wells!
    Caledonia Heron: lol, good one Susi :)



    Crusty Goldshark: success!
    Susi Alcott: what would be success ?
    Crusty Goldshark: Well I don't think it would be anything - rather an acknowledgement that one is succeeding - that is how it felt
    Susi Alcott: was curious to hear some example :)*
    Fael Illyar would think success is a word that's rather vague but loaded with association with feeling good.
    Susi Alcott: one success sure is to feel succeeding
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Crusty Goldshark: Well for me an example wouldberetaining awareness and non-differentiation between 9 secs and not 9 secs . . . ;)
    Susi Alcott: agree 130 % with Fael
    Susi Alcott: ty
    Susi Alcott: crusty too
    Fael Illyar: It's entirely up to us to decide what is success :)
    Susi Alcott: yes
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, more "all the same" secs tapped into the big bigness, not divided or apart from 9 secs
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: mmm..sounds delicious.
    Caledonia Heron: huh? say what? words don't quite cut it on this one... having trouble writing it
    Caledonia Heron: but delicious comes close :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.



    Faenik: indeed?
    Susi Alcott: sry I got a call
    Caledonia Heron: oki, nice to meet you :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: See you later Susi :)
    Susi Alcott: wishing the best to all
    Crusty Goldshark: cu
    Faenik: why not?
    Susi Alcott: cu later
    Fael Illyar: I think I'll take an early leave as well ... See you later everyone :)
    Faenik loves wells!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye, Fael..
    Caledonia Heron: bye Fael :)
    Crusty Goldshark: bye fael
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: thanks for talking with me today.
    Fael Illyar waves.
    Fael Illyar: You're welcome :)



    Caledonia Heron: maybe we have a natural stopping point?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods..seems as though.
    Caledonia Heron: yes, just a few minutes early :)
    Crusty Goldshark: ok cu guys
    Caledonia Heron: hi Sabrage :)
    Sabrage Foxclaw: Howdie
    Caledonia Heron: we are just concluding the play as being discussion group
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: we're all just leaving..but we meet 1 and 7 , 1 and 7 each day.
    Caledonia Heron: you can find info at
    Caledonia Heron: please feel free to lm and return :)
    ynot Kytori: thanks for letting me sit in
    Caledonia Heron: most welcome ynot :)



    Sabrage Foxclaw: I'm in quick sand. haha
    Caledonia Heron: lol
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: happens to all of us sometimes.
    Caledonia Heron: bye y'all :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye Cal.
    Sabrage Foxclaw: Good to know.
    Sabrage Foxclaw: Catch ya later

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