Page last modified 12:35, 9 Apr 2010 by pema

*The Guardian for this meeting was Quilty. Fael dug up the chat log from the autorecorder, and Pema posted it and added a title.*

Quilty Bookmite: Hi Solobill

Quilty Bookmite: Hi Wol

Solobill Laville: Hiya, Quilty

Wol Euler: helo solo, quilty.

Solobill Laville: Heya, Wol

Quilty Bookmite: Like the hairstyle Wol. What language is that?

Wol Euler: japanese. I keep forgetting to detach the simbolic translator

Quilty Bookmite: :-)

Wol Euler: and thank you!

Quilty Bookmite: I missed the celebrations on Monday. Did either of you go?

Wol Euler: both times )

Solobill Laville: No, couldn't make it

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: the first, wrong, celebration was by far the most exuberant.

Quilty Bookmite: I was just too tired.

Quilty Bookmite: Ah. I was at that one. :-)

Wol Euler: the second was quite restrained, only a half-dozen or so

Solobill Laville: I think we were all at the first one

Solobill Laville: ?

Quilty Bookmite: That's a shame. Such a major landmark ought to be marked with some debauchery.

Wol Euler: indeed

Quilty Bookmite: Yes. :-)

Solobill Laville: That's the spirit!!

Wol Euler: hello pila

Quilty Bookmite: Hi Pila.

Pila Mulligan: greetings

Solobill Laville: Hi, Pila

Quilty Bookmite: I was just reflecting on the fact that there don't seem to be many empty sessions these days.

Quilty Bookmite: When I first joined there were many.

Pila Mulligan: the seedling has become established :)

Quilty Bookmite: Indeed and it seems like you have been here ages Pila. :-)

Pila Mulligan: :)

Wol Euler smiles

Pila Mulligan: well, Quilty, you were the first person I met her, those ages ago

Pila Mulligan: here*

Quilty Bookmite: Yes, so many years back. :-)

Solobill Laville: Must've made a good impression... ;)

Quilty Bookmite: When I first joined there seemed to be so many more experienced people. Now I am called an old hand. :-)

Quilty Bookmite: Although I still feel like a newcomer.

Wol Euler: it's all relative :)

Pila Mulligan: I need to learn how to operate this place so I canserve as a stand-in for slots when peo;le cannot make it

Quilty Bookmite: Yes, and 1000 sessions is still less than a year.

Pila Mulligan: guradins that is, standing in for guardans

Pila Mulligan: hello Tanya

Quilty Bookmite: I think there is a guide on the PaB websire.

Quilty Bookmite: Hi Tanya.

Pila Mulligan: hello Juan

Tanya Miami: hi

Quilty Bookmite: Hi Juan.

Juan Violet: umm.. hi

Wol Euler: yes, there is a posting tutorial/guide page

Tanya Miami: im new at this

Pila Mulligan: read the manual, you say :)

Juan Violet: im new here

Wol Euler: actually, yes :)

Wol Euler: I mean, I could read it to you ...

Wol Euler: hello Juan, welcome

Quilty Bookmite: Two newborns at the same time. :-)

Wol Euler: tanya, hello

Pila Mulligan: Wol is such a good SL mentor

Tanya Miami: hi

Juan Violet: hi

Quilty Bookmite: I guess it will be easier if we do the introductions in public.

Wol Euler grins

Wol Euler: fire away

Wol Euler: I'll hand out the notecards, you type

Juan Violet: what should i do??

Quilty Bookmite: Tanya, Juan, welcome to the PaB chat. You are welcome to come and sit and join us or if you want to go we won't be too upset. :-)

Wol Euler: that notecard explains who we are and what we do here.

Quilty Bookmite: If you want to sit with us, just right click on a cushion and select sit.

Quilty Bookmite: Thanks Wol.

Juan Violet: yup!!

Tanya Miami: Juan come sit

Quilty Bookmite: Briefly, we are a group that discuss the nature of reality and experiment with perception.

Tanya Miami: right click Juan

Quilty Bookmite: But we discuss all manner of things. :-)

Wol Euler: there :)

Tanya Miami: :)

Juan Violet: hi guys..

Wol Euler: welcome to second life.

Tanya Miami: thanks

Pila Mulligan: yes, hi

Solobill Laville: hello!1

Tanya Miami: Hi

Quilty Bookmite: Before we start, I should just say that these chats are recorded on a website. If you don;t want your words to be recorded please let me know.

Juan Violet: 1st guys..

Tanya Miami: okay

Juan Violet: is there any job around here?

Quilty Bookmite: What sort of job are you looking for?

Tanya Miami: I need one aswell

Tanya Miami: in real life im an interior decorator

Quilty Bookmite: You've only just arrived. :-)

Pila Mulligan: you mean a way to earn SL currency, Lindens?

Solobill Laville thinks maybe we could hire greeters....hmmmm....

Juan Violet: just simple job

Wol Euler: heheheh

Juan Violet: so i can make some money

Wol Euler: do you have a paypal account?

Tanya Miami: yes

Quilty Bookmite: Well, it does get a bit dusty round here. Maybe I can find a brush. :-)

Wol Euler: then you can just buy L$ from it.

Wol Euler: avoids the whole messy business :)

Juan Violet: hmm..hmm..

Tanya Miami: how long how you gys been playing?

Wol Euler: a year tomorrow :)

Quilty Bookmite: Indeed. Otherwise there are places that give you Lindens for hanging around. Takes ages to earn much money though.

Tanya Miami: guys**

Solobill Laville: Wow, Wol!

Juan Violet: um.. not yet..

Pila Mulligan: about two years

Quilty Bookmite: Ooh! Birthday celebration!

Wol Euler: indeed.

Solobill Laville: I am about 3 weeks away from 1 year

Juan Violet: wow!!!

Quilty Bookmite: 7 minths.

Quilty Bookmite: Which is very like 7 months.

Solobill Laville: hehe

Pila Mulligan: ... and I have yet to learn how to do anything except sit on a cushion :)

Wol Euler: but has a minty flavour

Quilty Bookmite: Mmmmmm.

Solobill Laville: fresh

Quilty Bookmite: :-)

Quilty Bookmite: Tangy.

Quilty Bookmite: Anyway, I haven't heard of PaB giving out money.

Juan Violet: wow.. thanks Quilty

Quilty Bookmite: But since I was a newby myself once, this may help you get started.

Pila Mulligan: PaB = Play as Being, the name of this place, by the way

Quilty Bookmite: I said I would do that one day Wol. :-)

Pila Mulligan: a philanthropist

Wol Euler: well done, Quilty.

Quilty Bookmite: Well, Lindens are not expensive.

Quilty Bookmite: Where are you both from?

Juan Violet: im from malaysia..

Pila Mulligan: :)

Solobill Laville: Wow, that is a first!

Juan Violet: is it???

Quilty Bookmite: Excellent. Yes, I've not heard of another Malaysian in PaB.

Quilty Bookmite: We have a Korean I think. Most are from Europe and USA.

Tanya Miami: this is complicated

Quilty Bookmite: You OK Tanya?

Juan Violet: well..

Wol Euler: mmhmm :)

Wol Euler: there is a lot to learn,

Tanya Miami: yes my computer kinda sucks is all

Juan Violet: anyway.. come visit malaysia

Wol Euler: but hte learning is fun too.

Quilty Bookmite: Take your time. SL can be a bit overwhelming.

Solobill Laville: I'd love to visit Malaysia

Quilty Bookmite: Ah yes. That can be a problem too. :-)

Pila Mulligan: there :)

Quilty Bookmite: Second Life eats computers. :-)

Quilty Bookmite: Still, you seem to be doing well.

Quilty Bookmite: OK, I think we have done most of the introductions. Does anyone have a particular subject to discuss?

Wol Euler: there is a kind of introduction guide in the Help menu, which tells you the basics of getting along in SL?

Juan Violet: whats happen to tanya??

Quilty Bookmite: Probably computer problems.

Wol Euler: she keeps crashing out, her computer is losing hte connection to SL.

Wol Euler: if she comes back, we can try to fine-tune her settings a little to reduce that

Pila Mulligan: I have that problems sometimes too -- not enough resources to run everything sometimes

Wol Euler nods.

Quilty Bookmite: I would have offered but I don't remember what I did to fix mine.

Pila Mulligan: oh, good, another turorial from Wol :)

Juan Violet: guys, how 2 use the teleport??

Wol Euler: I'll explain that in IM so that we dont disturb the group

Quilty Bookmite: OK, I guess it's just the 3 of us at the moment and I'm lacking inspiration.

Quilty Bookmite: My brain is starting to shut down for the Christmas holidays. :-)

Pila Mulligan: ah, 2009 -- how time flies

Quilty Bookmite: Yes. It doesn;t seem so long ago we were panicking about the millenium bug. :-)

Pila Mulligan: rl phone call -- brb

Quilty Bookmite: OK.

Quilty Bookmite: And then there were 2. :-)

Solobill Laville: Did you set a date for a talk with Gaya?

Quilty Bookmite: Not yet. I need to wait until she gets back from retreat.

Quilty Bookmite: I wonder if she will come back fired with enthusiasm for Buddhism or with more doubts. :-)

Solobill Laville: maybe a bit of both, which would be good

Quilty Bookmite: Yes. I don;t think it's ever a good idea to get complacent with Buddhism. :-)

Solobill Laville: Yep, it is a methodology like other things are as well

Quilty Bookmite: I'm slightly jealous though. I haven't been on a retreat for about 2 years.

Solobill Laville: Ooh, maybe time?

Quilty Bookmite: The opportunity is lacking or I would. :-)

Quilty Bookmite: One child to look after and a heavily pregnant wife. :-)

Solobill Laville: I understand that, just a few years ahead of you in that path perhaps (6 and 4 years old)

Quilty Bookmite: Excellent. :-)

Solobill Laville: and wife NOT heavily pregnant!!

Quilty Bookmite: Well, I decided 2 is enough. :-)

Quilty Bookmite: WE decided. :-)

Solobill Laville: oh, yes, me too, "2 and out"

Solobill Laville thinks it was me who decided, she would probably have had 3

Quilty Bookmite: I might try and do a retreat at home. Should be an interesting experiment.

Quilty Bookmite: Time is against us anyway. We're both getting too old.

Solobill Laville: I think it would be a great experiment!

Solobill Laville: Ah, for 3?

Quilty Bookmite: Yes.

Solobill Laville nods

Wol Euler looks up and smiles. Paira youngsters like you ...

Quilty Bookmite: I have heard of others in my tradition doing a home retreat.

Solobill Laville wipes his nose

Quilty Bookmite: Yeah right. :-)

Quilty Bookmite: I should have had children when I was much younger. They wear me out.

Quilty Bookmite: And my daughter is learning to run now. :-(

Solobill Laville: Yes, that will be an interesting experiment ;)

Quilty Bookmite: The running or the home retreat? :-)

Wol Euler chuckles

Solobill Laville: The retreat because of the running!

Solobill Laville: :)

Quilty Bookmite: Yes. I will have to catch her mindfully. :-)

Solobill Laville: hehe

Quilty Bookmite: There's a storm in the air. :-)

Quilty Bookmite: Hi Storm.

Solobill Laville: But that mindfullness does open me up for kind of...letting the joy run through me...when I am with my kids, sometimes ;)

Storm Nordwind: Hi guys

Wol Euler: hello storm

Solobill Laville: Heya, Storm

Quilty Bookmite: Yes, I know what you mean Solo.

Pila Mulligan: hi Storm

Solobill Laville: Like not making a barrier exist

Quilty Bookmite: WB Pila.

Pila Mulligan: thanks Q

Juan Violet: guys.. i need 2 go now.. see you later..

Quilty Bookmite: It would be nice to be more mindful with my daughter anyway.

Wol Euler: bye juan, take care

Solobill Laville: See you Juan, have fun in SL

Quilty Bookmite: Bye Juan.

Pila Mulligan: bye Juan

Juan Violet: tata..

Quilty Bookmite: Storm, we were discussing the possibility of having a home retreat because I haven't been able to go on retreat for the last 2 years.

Storm Nordwind: What defines a home retreat for you?

Quilty Bookmite: Well, I haven't thought too much about it, but I guess I would need some sort of structure. Maybe a schedule but it would have to be flexible.

Quilty Bookmite: Retreats normally consist of meditation and acting mindfully.

Storm Nordwind: Yes indeed. They also need uninterrupted space and sponsored time (even if by oneself)

Quilty Bookmite: I'm not sure the uninterrupted would be possible in my case. :-)

Storm Nordwind: That was my thought!

Solobill Laville: I love the idea though, Quilty

Storm Nordwind nods

Quilty Bookmite: Yes. Small children don't really understand these concepts. :-)

Storm Nordwind: Quite so!

Solobill Laville: My kids love to say "zafu"!

Quilty Bookmite: If I can stay mindful it may not matter so much though.

Wol Euler: heheheh

Quilty Bookmite: Zafu is a great word. :-)

Storm Nordwind: Is attending a retreat centre out of the question?

Quilty Bookmite: It may be possible but not at the moment. My wife is heavily pregnant.

Storm Nordwind: That's a priority... probaby for a significant while

Solobill Laville nods and nods again

Quilty Bookmite: Yes. :-) I'm not going anywhere for the next few months. :-)

Storm Nordwind notices he said probaby instead of probably!

Solobill Laville: ha!

Storm Nordwind: My fingers were guided perhaps!

Quilty Bookmite: I didn't notice. :-) Small laptop keyboard.

Quilty Bookmite: Ah. It wasn't me this time. :-)

Storm Nordwind: I remember when I learnt to meditate - in 1973

Storm Nordwind: I was a student...

Storm Nordwind: and I had a vacation job in a carpet factory...

Storm Nordwind: I used to climb to the top of the warehouse amongst the carpet and practise there every day

Storm Nordwind: Perhpas it's a case of finding the time at the moment in what you already have

Quilty Bookmite: That actually sounds pretty good!

Solobill Laville: I hope the foreman never cought you!

Solobill Laville: *a

Storm Nordwind: Walking meditation - to the train, the shops etc - might be a good option at the moment

Storm Nordwind: I was regarded - then as now - as a freak Solo!

Quilty Bookmite: Ah. I do that sometimes.

Solobill Laville: Do you get time to sit in the morning or evening, Quilty?

Quilty Bookmite: Sometimes in the evening.

Solobill Laville: hehe, Storm

Solobill Laville: .me nods

Quilty Bookmite: I walk round the lake at work during lunch time.

Solobill Laville: oh, nice!

Storm Nordwind: fabulous

Quilty Bookmite: Nothing wrong with being a freak. :-)

Quilty Bookmite: I always have been.

Storm Nordwind smiles and nods

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Solobill Laville: Everyone is a freak, some just realize it

Storm Nordwind chuckles

Quilty Bookmite: Good point Solo. :-)

Quilty Bookmite: As I get older I just become a more sensible freak.

Quilty Bookmite: Pila you are quiet tonight. Still on the phone?

Solobill Laville: "The Well-Tempered Freak"

Pila Mulligan: no, just contemplating the chat as it happens :)

Storm Nordwind reaches for his fretboard

Quilty Bookmite: OK. I'm not putting you on the spot. :-)

Quilty Bookmite: Fretboard?

Pila Mulligan: :)

Storm Nordwind: Yes - a guitar. It has to have well-tempered musical intervals on it, else it would not work :)

Quilty Bookmite: Ah. :-)

Quilty Bookmite: My knowledge of guitar playing is sadly lacking. I tried to learn once on a cheap guitar but overtightened it and bent it out of shape. :-)

Quilty Bookmite: I think it ended up badly tempered and I don't blame it. :-)

Wol Euler: heheh

Storm Nordwind: That was the problem of the guitar probably, not you. I hope it not make you lose your 'temper'!

Storm Nordwind should read before he finishes typing!

Quilty Bookmite: No, my temper is still there but the guitar, sadly, isn't.

Storm Nordwind: Well you can come and get mine if you like. I shall probably not take them all with me to the US

Quilty Bookmite: Maybe I should do a guitar practicing retreat. :-)

Wol Euler notes the "all" and nods thoughtfully

Quilty Bookmite: Thanks for the offer Storm. I hope you get to take at least one.

Pila Mulligan: Quilty, I have to watch my tongue some times, having learned it doesn't really help to tell someone in a blizzard about the weather Hawai`i, but (disregarding that caution) I was thinking along similar terms about the ordinary environment here, and how naturally conducive it is to contemplation -- like how you describe going to a park or walking around a lake

Storm Nordwind: Thank you Quilty

Quilty Bookmite: Yes, I noticed that. :-) An enthusiast.

Quilty Bookmite: Indeed Pila. The problem with SL is that I'm not really here. :-)

Pila Mulligan: I guess the point is that being able to relate to nature really helps your state of mind

Pila Mulligan: ahh, here was referring to hawai`i

Pila Mulligan: real nature :)

Quilty Bookmite: Ah. I see. :-)

Quilty Bookmite: Well, I'm not jealous of you being in Hawaii. :-)

Wol Euler: absolutely not.

Quilty Bookmite: Even though it is getting very cold here. :-)

Wol Euler: nay, quilty: Because it is getting cold here!

Pila Mulligan: thank you

Wol Euler loves winter.

Quilty Bookmite: I'm an autumn and spring person myself.

Pila Mulligan: and snow is indeed equally conducive to contemplation -- if yo can be warm enough

Quilty Bookmite: And I do love those seasons in the UK.

Storm Nordwind: There is plenty of snow at the Kira Cafe at the moment!

Quilty Bookmite: Some of the best meditaiton sessions I have had have been sitting next to water.

Pila Mulligan: ah, Christmas decor Storm ?

Quilty Bookmite: I should take a ook some time.

Quilty Bookmite: But not tonight as it's my bedtime and my coach is about to turn into a pumpkin.

Storm Nordwind: Winter decor rather than Christmas, in a neutral spot (rather than here)

Pila Mulligan: :)

Quilty Bookmite: There's probably some hidden meaning in that statement but I'm not sure what it is. :-)

Storm Nordwind laughs gently!

Quilty Bookmite: Anyway, it's been lovely as always. Goodnight all.

Storm Nordwind: Bye Quilty

Pila Mulligan: bye Quilty

Wol Euler: goodnight quilty, take are

Solobill Laville: BYe, Quilty

Wol Euler: *care

Solobill Laville: Yes, and I need to be off as well, folks

Pila Mulligan: bye Solo

Wol Euler: ah, bye solo. take care

Storm Nordwind: OK Solo. bfn!

Pila Mulligan: bfn?

Storm Nordwind: Bye For Now :)

Pila Mulligan: thanks

Pila Mulligan: one of the first thinks I notice when coming from a very quiet natural place to a more busy community of people place is the sound of cars

Wol Euler: mmhmm, ever-present. I get that returning from Venice.

Storm Nordwind: The first thing I notice is people arguing!

Wol Euler: it's astonishing and somehow saddening how quickly one gets used to the aural assault of cities.

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pila Mulligan: indeeed

Wol Euler: why do we not revolt?

Storm Nordwind: I think we are doing. It is a gentle revolution and it will take a few generations

Pila Mulligan: against whom?

Wol Euler: car-ism

Wol Euler: primarily...

Pila Mulligan: ok, yes, I can do that :)

Pila Mulligan: and televisions-ism

Storm Nordwind revolted against TV-ism 12 years ago

Wol Euler: snap

Pila Mulligan: 30 years ago here

Wol Euler: (well, probably not twelve. quite a few though)

Pila Mulligan: it is a horrible influence on the human environment

Storm Nordwind: via the human psyche

Pila Mulligan: yep

Pila Mulligan: noise

Pila Mulligan: and glare

Storm Nordwind: I think I will just take a balloon to the Cafe before I sign off for the night. Please excuse me

Wol Euler: "light pollution"

Wol Euler: goodnight storm.

Pila Mulligan: ok, bye Storm

Storm Nordwind: Namaste

Wol Euler chuckles. Love htem skates

Pila Mulligan: yes, they are cool

Pila Mulligan: well, my next thing to do this early afternoon is to call an old freind and wish her a happy 86th birthday -- she is still a vigorous hiker

Wol Euler: ah!

Pila Mulligan: :)

Wol Euler: excellent.

Pila Mulligan: yep

Wol Euler: I met a woman like that on the Camino de Santiago a few years ago

Wol Euler: she was looking to buy a new car because it was getting to hard for her to lift her canoe onto the roof rack.

Pila Mulligan: :)

Wol Euler: she was only 81 though

Pila Mulligan: I like change the car for the canoe's sake

Wol Euler: mmhmm, she has her priorities right.

Pila Mulligan: my freind was a secretary for an army officer near Peal Harbor on Dec 7, 1941 -- the day it was attacked

Wol Euler: wow

Wol Euler: oh right, hawaii! of course.

Pila Mulligan: it was early Sunday morning, so they were at their homes, but he came to her house and they drove to wrk together during the attack

Pila Mulligan: and spent the day dealing with it

Wol Euler nods

Pila Mulligan: people hardly even think about it today, it seems

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Pila Mulligan: it my math is right she would have been 19 then

Wol Euler: I was just working that out too :)

Pila Mulligan: 19 years old, that is

Pila Mulligan: her family was a freind of the officer, so it was not regular civil service

Wol Euler: your face and head remind me of a marble bust of ... oh who was it?

Pila Mulligan: santa claus?

Wol Euler: greek philosopher, famously bald, died when a eagle dropped a turtle on his head

Wol Euler: socrates?

Pila Mulligan: :)

Wol Euler: anyway. it's gone :)

Pila Mulligan: well, Socrates deid from drinking the hemlock -- execution stly

Wol Euler: right, so it can't be him.

Wol Euler: but it was someone like that, an arguer and haranguer in the marketplace

Pila Mulligan: that's Pila in rl on the right

Pila Mulligan: not quite Socrates :)

Wol Euler wits for rezzing .........

Wol Euler: heheheheh

Wol Euler: a fine bunch of reprobates.

Pila Mulligan: ihndeed

Wol Euler: when was this?

Pila Mulligan: I think July -- we had just dont the wall then

Pila Mulligan: abou 5 or 6 months ago

Wol Euler: wow

Wol Euler: which are you?

Wol Euler: *is

Pila Mulligan: on the right -- white hair

Wol Euler frowns. I thought you said Pema was on the right?

Pila Mulligan: nope Pila :)

Wol Euler: ooooooh

Wol Euler: misheard!

Wol Euler: I thought you said "piet" -> pema

Pila Mulligan: I hav enot yet met Pema/Piet in rl :)

Wol Euler: quite a fair match then between av and rl :)

Pila Mulligan: yes, I tried -- SL doe sont let me get enough hair though

Wol Euler: um, you need prim hair.

Pila Mulligan: I am all ears :)

Wol Euler: I could give you a few landmarks of hair shops to try...

Wol Euler: hi tarmel

Pila Mulligan: well, thanks Wol, it wold be fun to see -- but I have gotten used to tihs avi and may not change it :)

Tarmel Udimo: hi folks

Pila Mulligan: hi Tarmel

Wol Euler: sure, no pressure :)

Wol Euler: but chekc out the options.

Tarmel Udimo: is there a talk happening in the cafe?

Pila Mulligan: I will, thanks

Wol Euler: don't _think_ so ...

Tarmel Udimo: storm talking about rebuilding cafe

Wol Euler: oh!

Wol Euler: damn his modesty.

Wol Euler: let's go.

Tarmel Udimo: coming pila

Wol Euler: coming pila?

Pila Mulligan: ok

Pila Mulligan: laggy :)

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