2008.12.22 19:00 - Both 13 and 17 are Prime Numbers

Threedee was the guardian this evening.  Adelene sent me, Pema, the chat log, I put it up and added a title.

stevenaia Michinaga: like- religion poople
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Ade
stevenaia Michinaga: people
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Threedee Shepherd: We celebrated 1st Night Hannukkah yesterday with family. On xmas, we have a bagels and lox lunch
stevenaia Michinaga: lol, nicely integrated
Adelene Dawner is probably not going to actually celebrate Christmas this year.
stevenaia Michinaga: welcome to my world
Adelene Dawner: oh?
stevenaia Michinaga: never celibrate Christmas, most wish they gould somehow get out of it, i say...converst
stevenaia Michinaga: convert
Threedee Shepherd: Hello Susi
stevenaia Michinaga: Hi susi, thought you were out of town
Susi Alcott: hi Threedee, Adelene, steve
Susi Alcott: ah
stevenaia Michinaga: nice to see you
Susi Alcott: ty
Threedee Shepherd: So, any interesting seasonal Being?
Susi Alcott: there is such bug
Susi Alcott: dont remember it's name
Susi Alcott: it lives 4 years under ground
Adelene Dawner: cicada?
Susi Alcott: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: thought that was 7 years
Adelene Dawner: They vary, by species I think.
Susi Alcott: I may know wrong the amount of the years
Threedee Shepherd: Yes, there are various cycles
Susi Alcott: could they be taken to be interesting seasonal Being :)*
Threedee Shepherd: wikipedia: "After mating, the female cuts slits into the bark of a twig, and into these she deposits her eggs. She may do so repeatedly, until she has laid several hundred eggs. When the eggs hatch, the newborn nymphs drop to the ground, where they burrow. Most cicadas go through a life cycle that lasts from two to five years. Some species have much longer life cycles, e.g., such as the North American genus, Magicicada, which has a number of distinct "broods" that go through either a 17-year or, in the American South, a 13-year life cycle. These long life cycles are an adaptation to predators such as the cicada killer wasp and praying mantis, as a predator could not regularly fall into synchrony with the cicadas. Both 13 and 17 are prime numbers, so while a cicada with a 15-year life cycle could be preyed upon by a predator with a three- or five-year life cycle, the 13- and 17-year cycles allow them to stop the predators falling into step"
Adelene Dawner: oh, neat!
Threedee Shepherd: Mathematical insects
Adelene Dawner: yes!
stevenaia Michinaga: interesting
stevenaia Michinaga: it does show the variablility of time
Threedee Shepherd: Actually, I would have said it shows the dependability and regularity of time
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, some thing from a differenct perspective, one bug varies the cycle for the other
stevenaia Michinaga: same
Threedee Shepherd: For this biologist, the wonder is how they accurately keep track of the time?
Susi Alcott: lol
stevenaia Michinaga: cycles=years, the ones that work don;t get eaten live on
Susi Alcott: do they ?
stevenaia Michinaga: bugs and biologists
Susi Alcott: thinking it's the prosess that takes the certain 'time'
Adelene Dawner: That says why they do it... how is a different question.
Threedee Shepherd: yes, but what about their growth and physiology syncs with years until "something:" has built up?
Susi Alcott: well, what else might they do under ground but grow 'to been build up' ?
stevenaia Michinaga: if there were many cycles, some get eaten, the prime year cycle are what;s left
Threedee Shepherd: OK, what do us human's note about arising cycles of different types?
Adelene Dawner: Yes - that's why. How do they make cycles in the first place?
Threedee Shepherd: Yes, that's how it came to be. I am looking for the "clock"
Susi Alcott: or is it human which 'does' cycles ?
stevenaia Michinaga: seasons have an affect on everything
Threedee Shepherd: seasons, years, lunar, daily, what else?
stevenaia Michinaga: 9 seconds
Threedee Shepherd: mmhmm
Susi Alcott: 3x3 cycles
Threedee Shepherd: Haley's comet
Susi Alcott: what are seasons that effect ?
Susi Alcott: or is it that human 'does' seasons too ?
Susi Alcott: to explane 'something'
Threedee Shepherd: semesters
Susi Alcott: wonderfull seasons
Threedee Shepherd: For 60 years, from age 5 to 65, I lived my life on the semester system
Threedee Shepherd: Interesting, that hominids evolved so near the equator in africa that seasons were barely relevant, other than rain cycles
Susi Alcott: U say 'lived'
Susi Alcott: so what made the change ?
Threedee Shepherd: I'm retired from teaching
Susi Alcott: ty
Susi Alcott: so you have no seasons anymore ?
Threedee Shepherd: Seasons, yes. Semesters, no ;D
Susi Alcott: how many seasons you have 'today' ?
Threedee Shepherd: The usual yearly ones. And then ther is the shifting overlay of the "seasons" of aging and shifting responsibilities.
Threedee Shepherd: *there
Susi Alcott: I've let ppl to tell me that human life has normally three seasons
stevenaia Michinaga: what are they?
Susi Alcott: I dont know
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Adelene Dawner wonders if North Carolina will have proper seasons - here in NJ we often sem to skil fall entirely.
Susi Alcott: because in 'my' world people use to chooce also the season they live the certain incarnation
Adelene Dawner: *skip
Adelene Dawner: ...say more, Susi? That doesn't quite make sense.
Susi Alcott: as quickly thinking it would be easy to understand those ppl to mean childhood, adulthood and long lived age
Susi Alcott: but in case there are three seasons in human life
Susi Alcott: that cannot be true to all of the people
Threedee Shepherd: The Oedipus riddle
Susi Alcott: but maybe there is like three books
Susi Alcott: at first it's written
Susi Alcott: then read
Susi Alcott: then learned
Threedee Shepherd: was, is, will be
Adelene Dawner grins. "This has come up before, in a way - not as seasons, but as age, unrelated to how many years one has lived. (By that measuer, I may be the oldest one here...)
Susi Alcott: or how many minutes
Threedee Shepherd: we "spiral" through a linear life cyclically, prhaps
Threedee Shepherd: with many included mini-cyclic spirals
Susi Alcott: agree
Threedee Shepherd: and interesting picture of winding and unwinding spirals fills my mind at the moment (Ade take note for drawing).
stevenaia Michinaga: isn't a spiral jsut a curved line
Threedee Shepherd: I'm thinking in three dimensions
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, with time but it's still linear when unrolled
stevenaia Michinaga: just moves through time
Susi Alcott: they say that everything in space is winding
Threedee Shepherd: yes, however, that is not the way it is perceived, if we think of cycles and seasons. Interestingly, time is apparently NOT thought of in any useful way I know, as fractal.
stevenaia Michinaga: it is certainly more beautiful that way
Susi Alcott: what is 'time'
Threedee Shepherd: There are spirals within the spirals, analogous perhaps to the epicycles of an earth centered planetary system
Threedee Shepherd: Time is change
Susi Alcott: but human is not tightly connected to earth
Threedee Shepherd: Time is the regular vibration of atoms
Adelene Dawner needs to afk - back shortly.
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, everything spins and move around something on earth and the galaxcy
Susi Alcott: earth has her 'own' 'time'---rhytm---seasons
Threedee Shepherd: So does the sun--sunspots
Susi Alcott: agree
Susi Alcott: but all planets and such are more connected to each other than human being
Susi Alcott: because human can do much 'own' 'time'
Susi Alcott: because human is the creator
Threedee Shepherd: menstrual cycle and moon
Susi Alcott: not tightly connected that either
Threedee Shepherd: close enuf
Susi Alcott: there's much exeptions what comes to human being
stevenaia Michinaga: tides in the ocean and in ourselves
Threedee Shepherd: do humans "create" or "manipulate"
Susi Alcott: think that both
Threedee Shepherd: yup tides are part of the lunar thing
stevenaia Michinaga: but not so much on a monthy basis
Susi Alcott: moon's effect creates the tides yes
stevenaia Michinaga: lumar month
Threedee Shepherd: Perhaps the only stuff humans have created are the "high number" elements ?
Susi Alcott: to my understanding people create something almost all the time
Threedee Shepherd: heartbeat, breathing rate
Susi Alcott: heartbeat and breathing rate one can change
Susi Alcott: and create different 'time'
Threedee Shepherd: everything "physical" is *made* of something already existing. Perhaps it is only the non-physical stuff like language, poetry, and the like that are truly created?
Susi Alcott: low heartbeat and breath creates peacfull time
Adelene Dawner: language and poetry are made from thoughts, which are made from... body rhythms?
Susi Alcott: one can create thoughts to lower them
Threedee Shepherd: I do not know what thought *are*, only how they *seem*
Susi Alcott: body rhytm surely can create thougts too
Threedee Shepherd: mmmm
Susi Alcott: the same thought as shared can also create different kind of bodyrhytms
Threedee Shepherd: 4-times daily PaB
stevenaia Michinaga: nice spirol Ade
Adelene Dawner: :)
Susi Alcott: was nice to create peacfull time with you
stevenaia Michinaga: I must go, thanks Three, night Susi, Ade
Threedee Shepherd: Well, friends, it seems like we have managed to cycle through another hour of PaB. I will carry the idea of spiral into the next while.
Threedee Shepherd: goodnight
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Adelene Dawner: ^.^