2009.11.08 01:00 - Religions with cold feet

Moon Fargis: *grins*
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Stargate Tone: Hello Qt
Moon Fargis: morning QT ::)
Qt Core: hi stargate, moon
Moon Fargis: if youre freezy you also can sit near the fire .)
Qt Core: a couple weeks ago i discovered i had no socks, now i have some and if i have good socks i can stand almost everything ;-)
Moon Fargis: lol
Stargate Tone: wowww
Qt Core: that is making my silly meat master thinks about him having no socks and being a little cold... he will be back in a min
Moon Fargis: hehe meat master
Qt Core: back ;-)
Moon Fargis: wb ^^
Stargate Tone: wb =^.^=
Qt Core: every season is getting more detailed and complex
Qt Core: do you build these scenes yourself ?
Moon Fargis: ˙·•| mmh *nods* |•·˙
Moon Fargis: *slurps his hot tea*
Stargate Tone: hm...is this also called as scene ?
Stargate Tone: as they are prim items...
Qt Core: i could not find a better world
Stargate Tone: ah ok
Stargate Tone: np
Moon Fargis: hmhm i think scenery?
Stargate Tone: ah yes...just complex to star...as to me it's the winter garden, no scenery :)***
Qt Core: i was thinking about the name they use for the reconstruction of natural habitats they do in natural history museums... but at the moment i can't remember that world not even in italian ;-)
Moon Fargis: haha
Moon Fargis: hmm
Moon Fargis: hmmm
Moon Fargis: *ponders*
Stargate Tone: btw
Qt Core: got it (in italian) diorama
Moon Fargis: ahh
Moon Fargis: yes
Moon Fargis: same in german
Stargate Tone: can you stand heat also better with socks ?
Moon Fargis: got such dioramas at my art gallery
Moon Fargis: ex pab library
Qt Core: i have cold feet, you can rarely see me with bare feet
Stargate Tone: as I experiensed such in Italy, that one must have socks
Moon Fargis: lets make ita bitwarmer then :)
--BELL--
Stargate Tone: that bare feet makes probs also for the heat, when needed shoes on...like going to Snt Piedro's Cathedral...well...I didn't need, but my company did...
Moon Fargis: :))
Moon Fargis: well
Moon Fargis: i wouldnt dare to walk barefeet outside
Qt Core: if only religions would agree... you have or have not... to wear shoes ;-)
Stargate Tone: done so at summers most of my life, but not late years (for driving the car)
Stargate Tone: and yes; there's rules how to dress when goes to that building
Moon Fargis: qt: they cant already agree abut condoms whoe could they then with shoes ?)
Stargate Tone: ..oh...
Qt Core: maybe starting lower (on importamce and on body level) we may get something ;-)
Stargate Tone: rofl .)***
Stargate Tone: (just and just stays on her chair)
Moon Fargis: :D
Stargate Tone: ...may I be curious ?
Moon Fargis: sure
Qt Core: sure
Stargate Tone: what does this religion suggest for the 'safety' not to get the child ?
Qt Core: as in use or don't use condom ?
Stargate Tone: if they dont accept condoms...then what instead I mean...or dont they accept anything to 'be safe' ?
Stargate Tone: (hard to find words...a bit tough topic to me and so much lag in english)
Qt Core: ok, got it, the only accepted way is abstinence in the form of planning to have sex when the woman is not in the period she can conceive
Qt Core: and obviously only after marriage
Qt Core: ;-)
Moon Fargis: morning gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello :) Sorry I'm late.
Stargate Tone: ah yes; after marriage I understand somehow...but..
Qt Core: hi gaya
Stargate Tone: _/!\_ Gaya
Moon Fargis: well i think some religion branches see sex as a way to produce children
Moon Fargis: and not to have fun
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Moon Fargis: thats why they dont agreeto condoms
Qt Core: yes, just got an idea (don't know if it is right) the fun part is work of satana to try to make people be unfaithful to the spouse and to god
Qt Core: devil'sadvocate speaking here
Qt Core: you know moon your trees are very 3d
Moon Fargis: thanks might be this is a 3d world :)
--BELL--
Stargate Tone: and to me even that winter garden is 'warm' :)***
Moon Fargis: searching now a speciel song
Gaya Ethaniel: mm ... not sure Qt. What's wrong with fun parts in life in general? I think things can be good and also enjoyable :)
Qt Core: i'm not the one to askl, i was trying to imagine the high level church theologist thought on that
Gaya Ethaniel: mm ... what do you think Qt?
Qt Core: i try to have fun whenever reasonable (or at least don't take thinks too seriously/dramatically)
Qt Core: things
Gaya Ethaniel: Why not :D
Qt Core: but in this matter i think that if one choose to follow a religion he/she should try to follow its rules
Gaya Ethaniel nods. It's a serious commitment.
Moon Fargis: hm, rules are made to break them somethimes no ?
Stargate Tone: agree
Stargate Tone: specially 'man made'
Moon Fargis: :D
Qt Core: while i may break some of those rules untill i call myself catholic i almost pretend to be told i'm breaking them, it is a complicated feeling
Moon Fargis: haha
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Qt Core: not until
Qt Core: an example
Gaya Ethaniel: I think there are spiritual reasons behind religious 'rules'. One breaks them and one learns ...
Stargate Tone: btw...anybody here knows religious texts written by a woman and accepted to some religion ?
Qt Core: we have many divorced people that argue about them not being able to remarry (in church) or to be godfhater/godmother
Stargate Tone: (just thought 'again' that 'man made' expression)
Qt Core: but they knew that before divorcing
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
Qt Core: so they should not argue about that
Qt Core: if they still want to be catholic
Stargate Tone: ...when it's good to brake the rule ?
Stargate Tone: hm
Moon Fargis: hmmmm well
Moon Fargis: there is no rule for breaking a rule :)
Stargate Tone: this might be better question; when it's good to check what rule to obey ?
Qt Core: you may break a rule by mistake or disattention
Moon Fargis: ahh now my avatar is back
Stargate Tone: *
Qt Core: or you may break one or all the rules if you do not more believe in the underlying values
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
Moon Fargis: hmm or when theses values are gone?
Gaya Ethaniel: So what are the underlying values of the Catholic ethical codes in your opinion Qt?
Stargate Tone: and more 'naturally working' values understood...
Moon Fargis: heh
Moon Fargis: its intresting
Moon Fargis: most religion try to teach the human..
--BELL--
Moon Fargis: not to be human
Qt Core: good question, how many years i have to think about it ?
Stargate Tone: think not so many...
Stargate Tone: thinking U know the answer already
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Sunfire :)
Sunfire Langer: hello Gaya :)
Stargate Tone: Hi Sunfire
Moon Fargis: morning sunfire
Qt Core: Hi Sunfire
Sunfire Langer: hello all
Gaya Ethaniel: I think Eliza organised a book meeting on ethics recently. Did you go Qt?
Gaya Ethaniel: I couldn't because of another event at Kira.
Qt Core: no, gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
Moon Fargis: hmhmm anyhow i would say that , rules are to rule
Moon Fargis: so peple shell decide if they get rurles
Gaya Ethaniel: If followed without understanding imo ...
Moon Fargis: ruled
Gaya Ethaniel: without intention to understand*
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm married to a Catholic but he doesn't really practice.
Moon Fargis: aslong theres always someone "higher" who punish the breakingof them rules mean ofcourse
Moon Fargis: well there is no rule to practise it :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Well ... doesn't it feel bad to steal things for example? I think people know when they do wrong.
Stargate Tone: have somebody hear seen some punishment come from the 'higher
Moon Fargis: theres the police who punishe for breaking that rule :)
Moon Fargis: but
Gaya Ethaniel: I think the greatest punishment is torment of guilt inside.
Moon Fargis: we should not set rule and law 1 to 1
Stargate Tone: well; some people dont feel bad even they steel or lie
Moon Fargis: well yes many people have no guilt
Moon Fargis: cud they dont care
Gaya Ethaniel nods. It is easy to get blind and life is not easy ... not to be so.
Moon Fargis: about rules
Sunfire Langer: Objectivists pose a new challenge to deontological thinking too
Moon Fargis: well we just babble around :)
Gaya Ethaniel: big word! deontology - The science of duty; that branch of knowledge which deals with moral obligations; ethics.
Gaya Ethaniel: What are objectivists? Goal-orientated people?
Gaya Ethaniel: ah being objective ...
Sunfire Langer: they argue that reason alone should be the source of moral guidance, and that what is morally good is what is valuable
Moon Fargis: who defines moraly good and bad ?
Gaya Ethaniel: Is this reason something akin to Kant's reason?
Sunfire Langer: Its actually Ayn Rands criticism of Kants moral philosophy
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ...
Qt Core: still digesting the last couple of lines ;-)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Stargate Tone: wishes good day to all *
Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Star :)
Moon Fargis: see you star
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Stargate Tone: hearts
Qt Core: have fun stargate, nice color ;-)
--BELL--
Gaya Ethaniel: wow this is new ... :) enjoy your day everyone.
Moon Fargis: ^^
Qt Core: bye Gaya, you too
Moon Fargis: see you gaya
Gaya Ethaniel fondly remembers the library.
Gaya Ethaniel waves.
Moon Fargis: hehe
Moon Fargis: my fiend i also have to move, rl calls me strongly today
Moon Fargis: see you soon have a nice day
Qt Core: i'm going to check my lunch cooking too
Moon Fargis: ^^