2008.07.29 07:00 - Assume the POV

Riddle was the guardian this morning.  The comments are Riddle's and should not distract you from what really is being said in the shat :)

Should tag this about Assumptions, Points of View, Money, Cats and Dogs

This was a marithon session.  I was in SL about 3 hours.  New people showed up just as I was leaving so I stayed.  I must try not to do this again.

Riddle Sideways: good morning avastu
Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
Riddle Sideways: please excuse me for a few secs, must repair what my kitties did
Riddle Sideways: one of them stepped on the on/off switch of a power strip for my computers

Riddle Sideways: I saw you sunday, but did not have the chance to get to know you
Avastu Maruti: what do you want to know?
Riddle Sideways: ha, in this group that is a loaded question
Riddle Sideways: we discuss ways of knowing
Riddle Sideways: and what we are, not what we have or have done
Riddle Sideways: I would have difficulty telling you in words who I am
Avastu Maruti: you ARE what is knowing
Riddle Sideways: and so ARE you
Avastu Maruti: of course

Riddle Sideways: given that.. it is where the process of what WE do with it starts
Avastu Maruti: who can do?
Avastu Maruti: can the knowing DO anything, or only watch?
Riddle Sideways: of this I am unsure
Avastu Maruti: In WHAT is uncertainty arising?
Riddle Sideways: besides DO might not be the correct word
Riddle Sideways: the knowing might not do/go/be anything
Riddle Sideways: yet cause all to be done/gone/be
Avastu Maruti: cause and effect is only a way of thinking
Avastu Maruti: it requires a subject/object relationship
Avastu Maruti: this is only ever conceptual
Riddle Sideways: ah thank you
Avastu Maruti: pure seeing, pure knowing is non-conceptual
Riddle Sideways: that is more exactly what I meant
Riddle Sideways: and your having said that
Riddle Sideways: leaves us nothign to chat about
Avastu Maruti: of course
Riddle Sideways: for the sake of conversation
Riddle Sideways: I would that we go one step
Riddle Sideways: and think / conceptualize / test / watch / etc our reactions to the knowing
Avastu Maruti: all appears IN impersonal knowing
Avastu Maruti: even the thought "what am I?" appears like a cloud in the ever-present presence of knowing
Riddle Sideways: do we not find value in further defining the clouds within
Avastu Maruti: definitions are only ever mental activity - this is mistaken to be what we are
Avastu Maruti: these temporary appearances never touch the unchanging ocean of awareness
Avastu Maruti: THAT - IS
Avastu Maruti: we must use words to define - what you ARE needs no word or concept
Avastu Maruti: it's only ever THIS HERE NOW
Avastu Maruti: whatever THIS is
Riddle Sideways: on these basics we agree
Riddle Sideways: now for fun
Riddle Sideways: we play with picking any subject or object or verb
Riddle Sideways: and watch the relationship
Riddle Sideways: and watch the formed clouds
Riddle Sideways: then try another set
Avastu Maruti: isn't that happening already?
Avastu Maruti: even now?
Riddle Sideways: of course, and it is fun
Avastu Maruti: if we make a "practice" out of it, then it is assumed to lead to a "goal"
Avastu Maruti: this play of words is already happening, already clouds floating through awareness
Avastu Maruti: whether we are chatting, eating, using the toilet, we are already "playing as being"
Avastu Maruti: this "playing" is inescapable
Riddle Sideways: so you play and I play and then
Riddle Sideways: we get together here
Riddle Sideways: and have to type words to each other
Riddle Sideways: and find discriptions
Riddle Sideways: concepts
Riddle Sideways: etc
Avastu Maruti: there is no "one" who plays, no "you" or "I" except as appearances, except as conceptual language
Avastu Maruti: but I understand your point
Riddle Sideways: and I yours
Riddle Sideways: they are convinent words that might convey
Avastu Maruti: you are Life living itself
Avastu Maruti: Oneness seeing itself
Avastu Maruti: Being, being itself
Avastu Maruti: no matter what is seen, THAT is it
Avastu Maruti: we can discuss spirituality or being or football, it matters not
Riddle Sideways: true
Riddle Sideways: my favorite subject for some time has been POV point of View
Riddle Sideways: though we see / watch / are the same Being
Riddle Sideways: our POV might be slighly different
Riddle Sideways: having my pov studied as I can
Riddle Sideways: I wish to meet with you to find our common and differences
Avastu Maruti: you assume we are already different or separate
Riddle Sideways: actually I don't
Riddle Sideways: I make a large assume that we have different POV
Avastu Maruti: the entire appearance assumes a different point of view, a separate self-center
Avastu Maruti: and then lots of things are applied to that self-center - mainly that there is an "I" which can suffer
Riddle Sideways: ah, so many directions that statement can go
Avastu Maruti: directions assume a starting point
Riddle Sideways: usually, but not proven
Riddle Sideways: that "assume" is a powerful word/idea today
Riddle Sideways: it is as if
Riddle Sideways: we agree on the ALL
Riddle Sideways: and then play with a pile of "assmume"
Avastu Maruti: agreement is belief - thought
Avastu Maruti: IN WHAT does thought happen?
Avastu Maruti: knowing/being
Avastu Maruti: agreement is irrelevant - it takes no belief or agreement to know that you ARE
Avastu Maruti: THAT is evident, obvious
Riddle Sideways: yes
Avastu Maruti: the idea of a "ME" happens in or on THAT
Avastu Maruti: then we talk about the ME doing this or that, having conversations, playing as being
Avastu Maruti: yet seeing/knowing is primary and prior TO this
Avastu Maruti: and seeing/knowing is not personal, not individual, not a "perspective"
Avastu Maruti: it is THAT IN WHICH perspectives happen, in which points of view appear
Avastu Maruti: and you are THAT already, before any seeking, before any "playing"
Avastu Maruti: knowing isn't the "product" of seeking
Avastu Maruti: seeking is an assumption that something is missing
Avastu Maruti: nothing is missing - nothing can be added or taken away
Riddle Sideways: brb
Riddle Sideways: sorry, interuptions happen too
Avastu Maruti: of course
Riddle Sideways: there is ALL
Riddle Sideways: then there is knowing of that all
Riddle Sideways: then I would put seeing
Riddle Sideways: then an interuption happens
Riddle Sideways: :)
Riddle Sideways: for some reason I feel a difference between knowing and seeing
Avastu Maruti: of course - any time we use words to describe there is limitation
Avastu Maruti: yet we don't need any word to KNOW
Avastu Maruti: that is effortless
Riddle Sideways: true, we both have the meaning (or precursor to a word) in us
Riddle Sideways: but pronouce or spell it differently
Riddle Sideways: how am I to say your word?
Riddle Sideways: it has created a separation, it creates a you and me
Avastu Maruti: yes!
Riddle Sideways: from this separation (that is noted as an "assume" in the stack) we
Riddle Sideways: can try our "words"
Riddle Sideways: the we might agreed or disagreed on
Avastu Maruti: once what we truly are is seen clearly, no words are ever necessary
Avastu Maruti: our true nature is silence
Avastu Maruti: emptiness
Avastu Maruti: no-thing-ness
Bluechip Spyker: hi
Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
Riddle Sideways: hi Blue
Bluechip Spyker: what place is this?
Bluechip Spyker: seems to so serious
Riddle Sideways: this is a group called PaB
Riddle Sideways: Play As Being
Bluechip Spyker: difficult
Riddle Sideways: playasbeing.wordpress.com
Riddle Sideways: playasbeing.org
Riddle Sideways: as background
Riddle Sideways: :) yes so serious ness fro SL
Riddle Sideways: funny how that happens
Riddle Sideways: we all meet here to discuss our practices
Riddle Sideways: currently, rather then meditate for an hour
Riddle Sideways: Bluechip left
Ajata Quan: like this place
Ajata Quan: ....
Riddle Sideways: hi Ajata
Ajata Quan: you know all the zen retires....
Ajata Quan: hello friends
Riddle Sideways: yes, many very nice retreats here
Riddle Sideways: a little religious center
Riddle Sideways: yes, please join us
Riddle Sideways: we are playing with Being
Ajata Quan: cool
Ajata Quan: the better "play"
Riddle Sideways: as in playasbeing.org
Ajata Quan: some guy want me to play football
Ajata Quan: ...
Ajata Quan: i said no, hehe
Riddle Sideways: it is a fine play
Ajata Quan: weel is tired
Ajata Quan: better to look in the tv. but i dont really like football
Riddle Sideways: we are playing mental games here
Riddle Sideways: just as tiring
Ajata Quan: avastu dont play that
Ajata Quan: im myself neither
Ajata Quan: and myself
Ajata Quan: i mean
Ajata Quan: where are you?
Ajata Quan: where are you from
Ajata Quan: im still learning the english
Riddle Sideways: I am in California
Riddle Sideways: I am 50 years old and still don't speel english very good
Riddle Sideways: besides wrestling with how to get concepts across between 2 people
Riddle Sideways: I seem to have pictures in my mind of chasing a football
Riddle Sideways: what words do I use to convey that
Riddle Sideways: is always the problem
Riddle Sideways: these are what we play with here
Riddle Sideways: a game of toss the concept
Ajata Quan: avastyu are you there?
Avastu Maruti: of course
Ajata Quan: witnessing
Ajata Quan: today i haved no dreams
Ajata Quan: when sleeping
Riddle Sideways: I do not remember any dreams from my sleeping last night either
Avastu Maruti: yet YOU were there to witness the passing of the waking, dreaming and sleep states
Ajata Quan: yes. is effortless
Avastu Maruti: the limited appearance of "Sergio" only comes and goes
Avastu Maruti: and that appearance includes all these thoughts
Ajata Quan: really is that "sensation" ? for a better word, in being nobody. just this witnessing
Avastu Maruti: if witnessing were a "sensation", it would be another appearance
Avastu Maruti: all sensations appear IN THIS
Avastu Maruti: even the "body-mind" is only a sensation
Ajata Quan: thougt is also witnessed
Avastu Maruti: yes!
Avastu Maruti: so YOU must be prior TO thought
Ajata Quan: yes
Avastu Maruti: if thought stops, YOU remain
Ajata Quan: is like the screen, reflecting all what appears
Ajata Quan: withot effort
Avastu Maruti: and that screen has always been present and has never changed
Avastu Maruti: yet it is not a "thing"
Avastu Maruti: it KNOWS all things
Avastu Maruti: once the root thought "I AM" appears, all else is assumed
Ajata Quan: that screen is empty
Avastu Maruti: yet that "I AM" is only a translation in the mind of that presence of knowing
Avastu Maruti: we can "seek" it or "play" with it or have "clarity" in thought, yet thought is appearing ON THAT
Ajata Quan: wonderful
Ajata Quan: inescapable
Riddle Sideways: and "Seeing" is between the Knowing and the play
Avastu Maruti: "between" assumes separation
Avastu Maruti: this is conceptual
Riddle Sideways: it is very hard not too go there
Avastu Maruti: of couse
Avastu Maruti: *course
Avastu Maruti: all words are dualistic
Avastu Maruti: all words are false
Avastu Maruti: the word is never the "thing"
Avastu Maruti: seeing/knowing/being/oneness/god
Avastu Maruti: call it what you will
Avastu Maruti: yet no word is needed
Avastu Maruti: you ARE - undeniable
Riddle Sideways: as soon as there is a ME av that wishes to chat to the YOU av
Riddle Sideways: I need to put some "words" to the "no word needed"
Avastu Maruti: yes!!
Riddle Sideways: so we converse
Avastu Maruti: yet nothing is needed, nothing can be added or removed
Riddle Sideways: and so all drops to silence
Riddle Sideways: it would look to visitors that we are asleep here
Avastu Maruti: yes
Avastu Maruti: ok, my friends - I must dissolve into silence once again
Ajata Quan: :)
Riddle Sideways: I too
Ajata Quan: ok
Avastu Maruti: good bye my friends
Ajata Quan: bye bye
Riddle Sideways: good bye all
Ajata Quan: that mean, sleep?
Ajata Quan: disolve into silence...
Riddle Sideways: we have these meetings every 6 hours
Riddle Sideways: at 7am, 1pm, 7pm and 1am SLT
Riddle Sideways: please come again then and
Riddle Sideways: different chat will be going on
Riddle Sideways: usually more people
Ajata Quan: aha
Riddle Sideways: from around the world
Ajata Quan: the meeting, is about pointing to the real?
Riddle Sideways: very much
Riddle Sideways: and more
Ajata Quan: aha
Ajata Quan: the next is 1pm
Ajata Quan: sl time
Riddle Sideways: yes
Riddle Sideways: playasbeing.org gives some background
Riddle Sideways: we were playasbeing.wordpress.com blog for many months
Riddle Sideways: and are switching to a wiki
Ajata Quan: aha
Ajata Quan: you invited avastu
Riddle Sideways: is it ok if I include your chat into my log?
Ajata Quan: or he find you?
Ajata Quan: ok
Ajata Quan: fine
Riddle Sideways: I think he found us
Riddle Sideways: I had not met him until sunday, but he has come to other sessions
Riddle Sideways: I only come to 4-5 sessions a week
Riddle Sideways: and was gone on vacation for last week
Ajata Quan: into your log, you mean the website?
Riddle Sideways: yes, is that ok with you
Ajata Quan: ok
Ajata Quan: what name
Ajata Quan: you are gonna use?
Ajata Quan: that nicks names?
Riddle Sideways: you would be Ajata and I am Riddle
Ajata Quan: ok
Ajata Quan: my "real" name is sergio
Riddle Sideways: TY
Ajata Quan: pile name
Ajata Quan: crishtian name
Ajata Quan: ty ?
Riddle Sideways: thank you
Ajata Quan: ok
Ajata Quan: i will see
Ajata Quan: on the website
Ajata Quan: when is on
Riddle Sideways: in a couple hours
Riddle Sideways: I will post soon
Ajata Quan: 1 sec.
Riddle Sideways: so sorry, but I need to leave now
Riddle Sideways: please see
Riddle Sideways: playasbeing.org for info
Riddle Sideways: and many chat logs to read
Riddle Sideways: and please come back at 1pm SLT
Riddle Sideways: Hi Doc
Riddle Sideways: I was just about to leave, but Ajata will be right back
Doc Freenote: hi
Riddle Sideways: we use this pavillion to discuss
Riddle Sideways: ways of knowing and Play As Being
Riddle Sideways: lately we are getting into You Seeing, Being Seeing
Doc Freenote: yeah i was here yesterday
Riddle Sideways: ah, very good
Riddle Sideways: Hi Rajah
Rajah Yalin: hi Riddle
Doc Freenote: hi rajah
Rajah Yalin: hi Doc, hi Ajata if you're there
Riddle Sideways: many people are showing up after my hour
Doc Freenote: what are you rajah of?
Rajah Yalin: Rajah of PaB i'd say
Doc Freenote: great
Riddle Sideways: as you are Doc of
Rajah Yalin: self-proclaimed
Doc Freenote: Doc of whats up doc
Doc Freenote: and of freenote
Riddle Sideways: as I am a riddle unto myself
Doc Freenote: aren't we all
Rajah Yalin: yes I'm still trying to figure you out Riddle!
Riddle Sideways: actually I have been Riddle since the 60's
Riddle Sideways: good luck, I still trying too
Doc Freenote: its funny how we sometimes think we can figure out the riddle of other people
Doc Freenote: and sometimes think we can figure out the riddles of ourselves
Doc Freenote: but we are usually way off the mark aren't we
Riddle Sideways: ha, and usually not get them
Riddle Sideways: yet we lock others into our perceptions
Riddle Sideways: and allow ourselves to vary
Riddle Sideways: :) silly humans
Doc Freenote: you guys seen Roshomon?
Doc Freenote: the kurusawa movie
Rajah Yalin shrugs.
Rajah Yalin: I've seen Zatoichi by Kuraswa
Rajah Yalin: *Kurasawa
Doc Freenote: is that Kurasawa?
Ajata Quan: hi
Doc Freenote: Roshomon is really great
Riddle Sideways: WB ajata
Rajah Yalin: wb
Doc Freenote: all about different perspectives on the same event
Ajata Quan: bye
Doc Freenote: perception
Doc Freenote: bye ajata
Rajah Yalin: take care Ajata
Ajata Quan: you pay for the publication of the log?
Ajata Quan: i want 5 dollars
Riddle Sideways: ?
Ajata Quan: just testing. no problem.
Riddle Sideways: :D
Ajata Quan: :)
Doc Freenote: are your ideas that valuable?
Ajata Quan: all is valuable
Doc Freenote: penny for your thoughts type of thing?
Riddle Sideways: usually $.02
Riddle Sideways: and I give it all the time
Doc Freenote: ideas are free
Riddle Sideways: opinions are also free
Riddle Sideways: truth costs :)
Doc Freenote: like giving away kittens
Ajata Quan: all the people charge for all
Riddle Sideways: ha, the first one is free
Ajata Quan: ok
Ajata Quan: you can publicate
Ajata Quan: this first one
Ajata Quan: for free
Riddle Sideways: hehehe
Doc Freenote: publicate
Doc Freenote: nice new word
Ajata Quan: publish
Ajata Quan: im spanish
Ajata Quan: is publish?
Doc Freenote: don't apologize
Doc Freenote: publicate is cool by me
Ajata Quan: he
Doc Freenote: new words are also free
Riddle Sideways: we wrestle with touch concepts... but,
Ajata Quan: the money is an issue eh...
Riddle Sideways: it is the typos that are often the most telling
Ajata Quan: how much the things cost really?
Riddle Sideways: ah, what is the worth of Rajah's words?
Rajah Yalin: I'm thinking they ae worth your soul....
Riddle Sideways: some are worth beyond measure
Riddle Sideways: some are worthless :)
Rajah Yalin: yeah, that might be it.. worthless.. worthless words by Rajah
Riddle Sideways: I would buy that book
Rajah Yalin: while you're at it, buy the Book of Shai Ming!
Riddle Sideways: TY
Riddle Sideways: it is so fun to play with words
Riddle Sideways: pick a word "money" for example
Riddle Sideways: and run all over with it
Rajah Yalin: yes some people sure say money a lot
Riddle Sideways: then maybe sit back and see the Being we have discussed
Riddle Sideways: money has an agenda with it
Riddle Sideways: so we are extra careful how we give and take
Riddle Sideways: today Avastu and I were playing with "assume"
Rajah Yalin: I can get a dirty word out of it
Riddle Sideways: yes, I left that hanging
Riddle Sideways: Avastu and I totally agreed on ALL/BEING/KNOWING so there was little to chat about
Riddle Sideways: until assumtions came in
Doc Freenote: gotta sleep
Riddle Sideways: and SELF and Point of View
Doc Freenote: sayonara
Riddle Sideways: understood Doc
Rajah Yalin: okay Doc take care
Rajah Yalin: gassho
Riddle Sideways: come back again soon
Doc Freenote: okay, thanks see ya
Riddle Sideways: surprised how many people come here between hours
Rajah Yalin: yep I just came since I saw people here
Riddle Sideways: so... If we sat here all day
Riddle Sideways: I would get nothing else done
Riddle Sideways: but have a great time
Rajah Yalin: ah but maybe you would get something done
Riddle Sideways: yes
Riddle Sideways: need to always balence those
Riddle Sideways: guilt vs pleasure
Riddle Sideways: advance one thing over another
Riddle Sideways: eat a new meal or clean last nights dishes
Riddle Sideways: play with this kitty or chat with you
Rajah Yalin: I do all that while I'm on SL
Rajah Yalin: it just turned 3 am now and I'm eating some breakfast thing :D
Riddle Sideways: good
Riddle Sideways: problem being that this kitty demands undevided attention
Rajah Yalin: you can give it your attention
Riddle Sideways: what a fun game. She brings me the pipecleaning toy
Riddle Sideways: I throw it up the stairs
Riddle Sideways: get back to my chair
Riddle Sideways: she brings me the toy
Riddle Sideways: and repeat several thousand times
Rajah Yalin: ahh how old is she?
Riddle Sideways: she is about 9 months
Rajah Yalin: nice, I have 2 puppies
Rajah Yalin: no cats though
Riddle Sideways: we have 3 cats and no puppies
Rajah Yalin: I have 6 dogs in all
Riddle Sideways: that is a lot of energy
Rajah Yalin: yeah they're still pretty lazy though
Riddle Sideways: lol
Riddle Sideways: I was writing about nothing in particular the other day and
Riddle Sideways: started going off on diff between cats and dogs and ...
Riddle Sideways: Cats see the finger pointing
Riddle Sideways: Dogs can (learn to) see the object pointed at
Riddle Sideways: Cats see things the I can not see
Riddle Sideways: Dogs hear things that I can not hear
Rajah Yalin: must be all that catnip
Riddle Sideways: that is very probable
Riddle Sideways: science told me that dogs can hear those sounds
Riddle Sideways: intuition told me cats see things
Rajah Yalin: what do you think they see?
Riddle Sideways: somethings I think they see the dimension that is hard for me to see
Riddle Sideways: they see movements
Riddle Sideways: when they stare into space
Riddle Sideways: are they spacing out
Riddle Sideways: or do they see what was or what will be
Rajah Yalin: when it comes down to it, I'm not a cat
Rajah Yalin: if I were one I could tell ya
Rajah Yalin: but I'm not so I have to wonder with ypu
Rajah Yalin: *you
Riddle Sideways: which points to the next step
Riddle Sideways: do cats have soul
Riddle Sideways: do they know g-d is created in their image
Riddle Sideways: is the dead bird they bring me
Riddle Sideways: as holy offering
Rajah Yalin: so cats do that too?
Riddle Sideways: often more then dogs
Rajah Yalin: wow
Rajah Yalin: my dogs roll around in dead things
Rajah Yalin: 2 of them do anyways
Riddle Sideways: all 3 bring me birds, mice, rats, moles daily
Rajah Yalin: one of my neighbours chickens came into my yard and the puppies tried to kill it
Riddle Sideways: a herd of turnkeys (3 moms 13 chicks) come through our yard
Riddle Sideways: the cats go to high ground
Riddle Sideways: and watch
Riddle Sideways: why is mankind so vain to think we are the only ones that
Riddle Sideways: think, plan, discuss, etc
Rajah Yalin shrugs.
Rajah Yalin: we do think a lot of things.. we are the top of the food chain, many say we are not animals, things like that
Riddle Sideways: and yet so many laugh at our folly
Riddle Sideways: mother nature laughs loudest
Rajah Yalin: yes she laugh so hard she makes hurricanes, tornadoes, cyclones, etc.
Riddle Sideways: she just wants to cleanse herself
Riddle Sideways: why should she be mindful of us
Riddle Sideways: opps, too religious
Rajah Yalin: lol
Riddle Sideways: why won't mother nature be the top of the food cahin
Riddle Sideways: shain
Riddle Sideways: *chain
Riddle Sideways: actually she is the entire Chain
Rajah Yalin: hi Avastu
Riddle Sideways: I have lived with 'Fire' for the last month
Riddle Sideways: and it has warped some of my thinking
Riddle Sideways: ah, Avastu is back
Avastu Maruti: hello my friends - logged in right back where I left...
Riddle Sideways: and your rezzing was fabuloius
Avastu Maruti: you think?
Riddle Sideways: quite a show
Avastu Maruti: sorry to eat and run...
Riddle Sideways: is sok
Riddle Sideways: if auto-logging were working
Riddle Sideways: all this would take care of itself
Rajah Yalin: ha you have quite a log in the past 2 1/2 hours I'd say
Riddle Sideways: yes, the guilt of work-to-do is mounting
Riddle Sideways: if auto-log stopped at one hour
Riddle Sideways: much good stuff would be lost
Rajah Yalin: true
Riddle Sideways: future generations would have missed all the dog/cat chat
Riddle Sideways: :)
Rajah Yalin: what are they missing? :P
Rajah Yalin: ha joking
Riddle Sideways: playing
FX1-Black V1.0 (High Prim)_v4 whispers: Coffee type set to - Latte
FX1-Black V1.0 (High Prim)_v4 whispers: Coffee Machine ready for use.
Cup of Latte owned by Dakini Rhode gave you 'Cup of Latte'  ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rieul/181/142/75 ).
Riddle Sideways: I need my second cof-a-cuppee
Rajah Yalin: I need some tea too, on that note
Riddle Sideways: RL latte is harder, brb
Rajah Yalin: okay
FX1-Black V1.0 (High Prim)_v4 whispers: Coffee type set to - Latte
FX1-Black V1.0 (High Prim)_v4 whispers: Coffee Machine ready for use.
Riddle Sideways: must wait for slow expresso maker to finish
Riddle Sideways: are you in Europe?
Rajah Yalin: don't even have to get up in SL :)
Rajah Yalin: no I live in Vanuatu.. that is a Pacific Island country east of Australia
Riddle Sideways: very nice. I had trouble with time zone translate
Rajah Yalin: it is 3:43 in the morning now
Riddle Sideways: you are quite the night person
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Rajah Yalin: day and night :)
Riddle Sideways: I have settled down in old age to requring the 4 hrs of sleep be regular
Rajah Yalin: yes I sleep about 4 or 5 each night
Rajah Yalin: but some nights I do not sleep at all
Riddle Sideways: some yes
Riddle Sideways: I have cats and wife and noises awakening me
Rajah Yalin: yes I get distractions, but I mean some nights I don't even try to sleep
Riddle Sideways: I have not done that in a while
Riddle Sideways: I use to
Riddle Sideways: I use to mediatate more
Riddle Sideways: and that removes sleep needs
Riddle Sideways: for me
Rajah Yalin: ah
Rajah Yalin: I have meditated 3 times a day for about 11 years
Rajah Yalin: plus PaB for a little while too :)
Riddle Sideways: I have varied practices over many years
Riddle Sideways: currently doing the PaB quickies and another quick 35 breath thing
Rajah Yalin: it has turned into a routine I'd say
Rajah Yalin: the inner clock kind of tells me I have to do this now, I have to do that now, etc.
Rajah Yalin: I don't complain :)
Riddle Sideways: well, I complain, but it does me no good :)
Riddle Sideways: inner and external clocks/nag devices tell me what to do
Riddle Sideways: I found that an internal PaB clock would only
Riddle Sideways: work at convient times
Riddle Sideways: or too consist times
Riddle Sideways: hmmmmm consistant subject matter time
Riddle Sideways: .... words are not working for me
Riddle Sideways: an external gong ever 15 min is producing more varied results
Rajah Yalin nods.
Rajah Yalin: do you know how to work the SL meditation timers?
Riddle Sideways: no
Rajah Yalin: I tried to last night for fun I couldn't get it to work either
Riddle Sideways: I barely know how to get dressed
Rajah Yalin: SL is rather complex
Riddle Sideways: again, so much to learn... so little time
Rajah Yalin: yep
Rajah Yalin: anyways I must get some sleep
Riddle Sideways: and I must get coffee, breakfast and post this 3 hour log
Rajah Yalin nods.
Rajah Yalin: good luck with tha
Riddle Sideways: thanks
Riddle Sideways: and thanks for your time
Rajah Yalin: :)
Rajah Yalin: take care