2011.01.22 19:00 - How Do We See/Experience Playing as Being?

The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera.  The comments are by Pema Pera. This was one of our four weekly theme meetings on the topic of Being.  The four sessions are at Saturdays, 7 pm, Sundays, 1 pm, Mondays, 7 am, and Tuesdays, 1 am.

Pema Pera: hi Rhia, and hi Aphro!
Pema Pera: hi O too !
Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Pema!
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Pema, Hi Rhi
Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi OOO, Aphrodite
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Aph
Rhiannon Dragoone: I'm on my text client, to conserve bandwidth
Eliza Madrigal: :) Eliza with red hair...
Pema Pera: and hi Eliza!
Rhiannon Dragoone: Am I standing in an ok spot?
Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema Hi Rhi Hi oooOooooooooo
Rhiannon Dragoone: Cal is coming, and i think druth too
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph, ob
Pema Pera: hi observem
oO0Oo Resident: hi Eliza
Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi observem!
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi everyone - do you mind if I bring my dinner with m?
Aphrodite Macbain: me
Eliza Madrigal: SL dinner? :)
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Cal :)
Pema Pera: hi Cal and Druth!
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Druth
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Druth :) Hi Cal :)
Aphrodite Macbain: RL dinner
Calvino Rabeni: Hello everyone
Pema Pera: are you going to share your dinner, Aphro?
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Cal! Hi Druth!
Rhiannon Dragoone: hmmm, dinner
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Rhi, Pema, Eliza, Calvino, druth Samuo
druth Vlodovic: hey everyone
Rhiannon Dragoone: Is everyone ok with where I'm standing? I'm on my text client.
Eliza Madrigal: seem OK Rhi thanks
Aphrodite Macbain: You are fine Rhi
Calvino Rabeni: Fine thanks

I introduced the format, of going around the circle.

Pema Pera: shall we get started? This is yet another Being Theme session
oO0Oo Resident: no worries Rhi
Pema Pera: so as before we'll go clockwise around the circle
Rhiannon Dragoone: Thanks, Cal, Aph, Eliza, OOO
Pema Pera: and we can each say a few words about how we see/experience playing as Being
Pema Pera: and when we're done we pass the baton to the person on our left
Rhiannon Dragoone: I'm on Radegast, i could try sitting
Pema Pera: and once we've made one round, we can all speak up in random order
Pema Pera: would anyone like to start the circle?
Rhiannon Dragoone: Before we start, be sure to tell me when it's my turn; i might not know
Pema Pera: in that case, why don't you start, Rhia?
Aphrodite Macbain: I can bgin- with a very short sentence
Aphrodite Macbain: oops sorry
Pema Pera: fine, Aphro!
Pema Pera: go ahead!
Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, heh, i'm not sure of the topic
Pema Pera: go ahead, Aphrodite!
Rhiannon Dragoone: please, go ahead, Aph

Aphrodite:

Aphrodite Macbain: I was simply going to say that playing brings joy in being
Rhiannon Dragoone: It will give me a chance to figure out what is going on
Aphrodite Macbain: playing allows for freedom of expression, new doorways, new excitement - which for me lead to joy
Aphrodite Macbain: That's all for now
Pema Pera: thanks, Aphrodite!
Pema Pera: O?
oO0Oo Resident: ty

oO0Oo:

oO0Oo Resident: for me
Rhiannon Dragoone: Um, I didn't see any of Aph's text
Rhiannon Dragoone: Except 'that's all for now.'
Aphrodite Macbain: Can you scroll back?
Eliza Madrigal: Rhi you may want to just wait a while for it to show up... usually does in time :)
Eliza Madrigal listens
Pema Pera: yes, Sam?
Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, i'm really laggy with this bandwith, eliza
Aphrodite Macbain: oo)oo?
oO0Oo Resident: a potentially unconditioned space, out of which textures of grasping and letting go can be experienced and, then released in/out of play.. and yes...often joy...upliftment...being, and just being
oO0Oo Resident: [done]
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Aphrodite Macbain: /:-) Samuo
Pema Pera: thanks, Sam!
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: Appreciate this emphasis of joy very much, thank you...
Aphrodite Macbain is happy to hear that
Rhiannon Dragoone: I' didn't get Sam's text either

Eliza:

Eliza Madrigal: what playing as being means to me this moment, is that I don't have to be chained to the person I felt myself to be five minutes ago, or five years ago... or to chain anyone else to that expectation either..
Aphrodite Macbain: :-) Eliza
oO0Oo Resident: :))
Eliza Madrigal: that I can enjoy life in all its complexity and simplicity and messiness and wonderfulness as it is
Eliza Madrigal: (done)
Aphrodite Macbain: true apreciaton

Pema:

Pema Pera: thank you, Eliza! I had been thinking along somewhat similar lines
oO0Oo Resident feels liberated
Aphrodite Macbain: appreciation
Pema Pera: about how radical the idea really is of "dropping what you have in order to see what you are"
Pema Pera: including dropping what you thought you were five minutes ago
Pema Pera: even including dropping what you think you are right now
Aphrodite Macbain: lots of dropping
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Pema Pera: since what we think/thought we are is really a picture we have
Pema Pera: not what we really are
Pema Pera: so in order to see what we really are, any kind of thought has to be "dropped" or perhaps better put "we have to wear it lightly"
Pema Pera: not be glued to it or totally buy into it
Pema Pera: I have to think again about the picture of a little wave on a large ocean
Pema Pera: the wave is not "just more water": there really is the appearance of a separate wave, and it would be wrong to deny that
Pema Pera: but to consider the wave as a special independent unit would also be wrong . . .
Pema Pera: here we are, little waves talking to each other
Pema Pera: (done)

(At this point, it was Rhiannon's turn, but it would be quite a while before she got started)

Pema Pera: your turn, Rhia!
Aphrodite Macbain: lapping
oO0Oo Resident: ty Pema
Pema Pera: sloshing
Rhiannon Dragoone: yes, ty, Pema
Aphrodite Macbain: nice metaphor
Aphrodite Macbain: constantly moving
oO0Oo Resident: interbeing
Eliza Madrigal: lovely
Aphrodite Macbain: I could meditate with tha image
Aphrodite Macbain: that
Pema Pera: (I also wonder what it would be like for little waves to step on each others toes :-)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Sure, Aph; such an image can make you lose yourself in it
Aphrodite Macbain: :-) /me grins
Rhiannon Dragoone: And that's one of the purposes of meditation
druth Vlodovic: they'd join together and become one another lol
Pema Pera: :-)
oO0Oo Resident: waves of pain
Aphrodite Macbain: as well as pleasure
Rhiannon Dragoone: Pema, lends a whole new meaning to 'hang ten.'
oO0Oo Resident: oooh
Aphrodite Macbain giggles
Pema Pera: hang ten?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: surfing lingo
Eliza Madrigal: surfing term
Aphrodite Macbain: 10 toes over your surf board
Rhiannon Dragoone: Don't i look like a surfer to you guys?
Rhiannon Dragoone: I should come with a board, next time
Aphrodite Macbain: not with those shoes
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone laughs
oO0Oo Resident: lol
Pema Pera: :-)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, you wouldn't want me to take them off, would you? They're *all* I'm wearing.
Rhiannon Dragoone: Hey, it's SL; i can balance on stilettos.
Rhiannon Dragoone: Although i did go ice skating at CMNF and lost my feet when I did
Calvino Rabeni proposes a theme session on "sauna" to equalize the imbalanced dress styles

(Eliza and Aphrodite remind Rhiannon that it is her turn)

Eliza Madrigal: are we still sharing in a circle?
Aphrodite Macbain: what do you have to say about playing as being Rhi?
Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Jack!
Jack Lichlore: hey
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Jack
Pema Pera: Hi Jack!
Pema Pera: Please come join us
Pema Pera: Jack, we get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://wiki.playasbeing.org/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
Pema Pera listening to Rhia
Jack Lichlore: no by all mean
--BELL--
Pema Pera: thanks, Jack!
Calvino Rabeni: Hey!
Aphrodite Macbain: Rhi?

Rhiannon:

Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, thank you, Aphrodite
Rhiannon Dragoone: I'm still not too sure what to say or what the theme is, but i picked up on the difference between having and being. And how the only way to see you is to not have. Most people seem to get it wrong and think their being is caused or made meaningful by their possessions, when it is the other way around. Having is what expresses our being. So to escape having, if oonly in the mind, might be a way to know yourself
Rhiannon Dragoone: Did people see that?
Pema Pera: thank you, Rhia!
Pema Pera: we will continue the circle, so it is Druth's turn
Aphrodite Macbain grins in delight
druth Vlodovic: ty
Rhiannon Dragoone: ur welcome, druth
Rhiannon Dragoone smiles at Aphro.

Druth:

druth Vlodovic: I'll admit I only started doing the mini-meditations a couple days ago
Eliza Madrigal smiles
druth Vlodovic: I guess if I talk about the group, it's kind of a place to explore
Aphrodite Macbain: sure
druth Vlodovic: and a lot of the concepts in your book are pretty familiar from what I used to think a long time ago
druth Vlodovic: it'll be an interesting ride
druth Vlodovic: lol, I'm only up to ch 4 btw
druth Vlodovic: cal?
Aphrodite Macbain smiles in admiration
Pema Pera: thanks Druth!
oO0Oo Resident: ty Druth
Rhiannon Dragoone: ch 4? Ok, i've missed a lot; including my own text lol
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps ou've dropped it and don't need t Rhi
Aphrodite Macbain: it
Rhiannon Dragoone: going to try re logging
Pema Pera: Cal?
Aphrodite Macbain: wb Rhi
Rhiannon Dragoone: thank you, Aph

Calvino:

Calvino Rabeni: To me, having is being and dropping seems more symbolic than actual ... with respect to playing I like to interpret being playing as me, and make a kind of cooperative game out of it
Aphrodite Macbain: Game?
Calvino Rabeni: Dance
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Life is a dance? Or is this a specific dance?
Aphrodite Macbain: collective creation
Aphrodite Macbain: nice Cal
Rhiannon Dragoone: I like the metaphor of life as a dance
Calvino Rabeni: A dancer or a puppet, either or both
Aphrodite Macbain: a puppet implies someone pulling the strings tho
Rhiannon Dragoone: Not sure I understand you about a puppet, Cal
--BELL--
SophiaSharon Larnia: yay I didnt miss you!
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
oO0Oo Resident: SSL :)
Aphrodite Macbain whispers welcome Sophia
Calvino Rabeni: If being plays me, I'm a puppet and its nice to enjoy being moved around...in the dance it's lead, follow, or get out of the way
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon!
Pema Pera: hi Sharon!!
Calvino Rabeni: so I'm saying I enjoy multiple perspectives about agency and identity
Aphrodite Macbain: you have options then Cal?
Calvino Rabeni: who does what to whom
Eliza Madrigal: Hi (again) Sharon!
SophiaSharon Larnia: so happy to see you I crashed!
Aphrodite Macbain: heheh
Eliza Madrigal: :))
oO0Oo Resident: the ocean delights in the wave? The wave in the ocean? dipping in and out like dolphins?
Aphrodite Macbain: come back Sophia
Calvino Rabeni: I assume people have more options than they think in their fearful assessments and less options than they hope in their inflated assessments
Pema Pera: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: For me, dropping what I have, implies detachment from needs, expectations, hopes. Like little hooks holding us down
Aphrodite Macbain: Un hooking those hooks
Pema Pera: nice image, Aphro!
Aphrodite Macbain: so we can dance
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
Rhiannon Dragoone: Nice image? And I missed it.
Pema Pera: unfettered and unthethered
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm... unhooked, unchained...
Aphrodite Macbain: floating freely
Pema Pera: *untethered
Aphrodite Macbain: yeth
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Rhiannon Dragoone: So the image was of an unhooked, unchained person? Dancing? I like that feeling of being unchained
Aphrodite Macbain: playing as being
Pema Pera: Sharon, we just finished going around the circle, would you like to say something too?
Aphrodite Macbain: and appreciating it joyfully

SophiaSharon:

SophiaSharon Larnia: well, I have a lot of what if questions
SophiaSharon Larnia: all of a sudden
Aphrodite Macbain: i.e?
SophiaSharon Larnia: but probably best to save them for later
Eliza Madrigal: hmm
Rhiannon Dragoone: So it all comes down to unfettering ourselves and appreciating it joyfully?
Pema Pera: oh no, Sharon!
Pema Pera: pretty please :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: I havent thought them through yet
Aphrodite Macbain: this is a good time to raise them
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Pema Pera: ah, maybe we can help you think through
SophiaSharon Larnia: I started last night
oO0Oo Resident: i'd settle for that Rhi
Pema Pera: "what if" we can help with the "what if" :-)
Eliza Madrigal: why not
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: yes, Sharon?
SophiaSharon Larnia: what if there was no time, would experince be enperienced all at once
SophiaSharon Larnia: experienced*
SophiaSharon Larnia: sound silly
Aphrodite Macbain: no time for what?
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Thank you, OOO But it's not settling, is it? ::winks::
Eliza Madrigal: dropping the doings which look like time?
SophiaSharon Larnia: no, the actual experience.
oO0Oo Resident: ty Rhi
Aphrodite Macbain wwonder what Rhi and Samuo are talking about
SophiaSharon Larnia: every kind from the most mundane to what we cond=sider great and bad and everything
Pema Pera: perhaps it would feel different, less like "experience" ?
Pema Pera: no "ex" or "out" involved?
SophiaSharon Larnia: and what if our splintering off as we are, just a way we can experience them one at a time
Aphrodite Macbain: a splash rathr than a wave

Calvino mentioned the notion of wiggling, which is then picked up by others:

Calvino Rabeni: Instead of dropping time, maybe a warmup might be just to wiggle it around a lot and loosen its grip (or ones grip on it) .. that wiggly freedom of movement is one definition of Play
SophiaSharon Larnia: you made me think of this pema
SophiaSharon Larnia: the beigginning isd the end?
druth Vlodovic: eash person a great worm, one end birth, the other death, and we ride along it, aware only of one small section
Pema Pera: it's true that when we are intensely engaged in an activity, dancy or playing music or whatever, there seems to be less of a sense of linear time, and also more of a capacity to integrate things
SophiaSharon Larnia: why warm up
SophiaSharon Larnia: i am warm
Aphrodite Macbain wiggles on her cushion, enjoying the conceof wigglism
Pema Pera: interesting, Cal!
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
SophiaSharon Larnia: exactly Aphrodite :)
Pema Pera: :-)
Pema Pera: perhaps Cal wants to heat up further? :-)
Calvino Rabeni: Warm like a juggler who has warmed up to the point of having an immediate capacity for action
Rhiannon Dragoone: What did Cal say?
Aphrodite Macbain: wiggling and dancing and juggling
SophiaSharon Larnia: "experience" is only one facet
Eliza Madrigal: oh my
Pema Pera: the PaB circus!
oO0Oo Resident: wiggling and giggling
Aphrodite Macbain: of what Sophia?
Pema Pera: all while riding a unicycle
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow'
Eliza Madrigal: ooh have done that :D
Rhiannon Dragoone: If I were on my full viewer, I'd dance for you guys; speaking of wiggling and dancing and, er, jiggling.
Calvino Rabeni: If one's stuck wiggling by an automatic habit, then being still would be to move
Aphrodite Macbain giggles uncontrollably
--BELL--
Rhiannon Dragoone: Pema, that would fit. lol
Aphrodite Macbain: Rhi!
SophiaSharon Larnia: im not talking about the sense of loss of linear time
SophiaSharon Larnia: eep sorry bell
Rhiannon Dragoone: What? ::looks innocent::
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Kit!
Pema Pera: yes, Sharon?
Pema Pera: and hi Kit
oO0Oo Resident: hi Kit/me listens to sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: what wyou said the other night Pema really stuck in my head
Aphrodite Macbain: what was thatSophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: and im sure ive painted myself in some corner but
SophiaSharon Larnia: hold on plz
SophiaSharon Larnia: im sure i wont find it
Pema Pera: (Sharon stopping time briefly :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: hum a few bars
SophiaSharon Larnia: nope no hope for a link, but it was about your experience during the theme session on apapb
SophiaSharon Larnia: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2011/01/2011.01.17_19%3a00_-_APAPB__Theme_Session
Aphrodite Macbain: I'll check the log when was that?
Aphrodite Macbain: Ah
Pema Pera: what was it what I said there?
SophiaSharon Larnia: it sounds so frightening the idea that underneath theres nothing
SophiaSharon Larnia: beyond emtiness
SophiaSharon Larnia: and maybe its my discomfort with that but

At this point Aphrodite got up from her cushion, and entertained us with an actual dance:

Aphrodite Macbain: ~ Time to River Dance ~
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm going to wiggle out of here-
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye APh
druth Vlodovic: I've always found that idea comforting
oO0Oo Resident: bye Aph ty :)
Aphrodite Macbain: sorr gottago. Thanks Pema! veryone
Rhiannon Dragoone: What idea is comforting?
Pema Pera: bye Aph!
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Aph, :))
SophiaSharon Larnia: just saw all exerience as happing at one time as being, a very very fullness incorporating emptiness
Rhiannon Dragoone: good night, Aph!
Rhiannon Dragoone: Thanks for moderating
Pema Pera: yes, fullness and emptiness are two sides of the same coin
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes but what if they were at the same time
SophiaSharon Larnia: gah i cant say it right yet
Pema Pera: I guess they are :-)
Eliza Madrigal: really interesting sharon... thank you...

Time for me to go.

Pema Pera: btw, I'd better get some sleep
Eliza Madrigal: so difficult to sign off right nnow
Pema Pera: still have jetlag from my flight from Japan to New Orleans yesterday
SophiaSharon Larnia: hah Have fun in New orleans! Ive been sad all day wishing i could join you
Eliza Madrigal: Night Pema
Rhiannon Dragoone: nite Pema
Eliza Madrigal: ((((Sharon)))))
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Pema
oO0Oo Resident: rest well Pema
Pema Pera: thank you all, and yes, we're already missing you, Sharon!
Eliza Madrigal: we're thinking of you.. wonderful spot you chose
Pema Pera: Thanks for helping us find a great place
Calvino Rabeni: Fly well Pema
Pema Pera: snap :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza have fun and do hope it is a good spot
Eliza Madrigal: :) Just perfect I think
Pema Pera: bfn
SophiaSharon Larnia: it should be in the middle of things, hopefully not too much so LOL
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Rhiannon Dragoone: bye Pema
Eliza Madrigal: it does have that quality
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Eliza Madrigal: in the middle of things and nowhere...
Eliza Madrigal: heheh a real retreat :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: really?
Eliza Madrigal: No... just sleepy and processing your last lines
Eliza Madrigal: :) fullness and emptiness in the same spot
SophiaSharon Larnia: i havent process them yet
Eliza Madrigal: the all at once ness
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: i see something i want to figure out
SophiaSharon Larnia: make the word finding effort wortht he effort
Rhiannon Dragoone: well, this was the strangest session i've had here; could only see part of the text, and then i got ejected. But what i did see was interesting. Hope this theme repeats.
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for zeroing in :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: alot of the time its not
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
Eliza Madrigal: Night everyone, namaste and much appreciation
Eliza Madrigal: zzzzzzzzzz
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye ELiza
Calvino Rabeni: You must have had a cubist view of it, Rhiannon ...
Rhiannon Dragoone waves and poofs; not sure if anyone heard her say good bye or not
oO0Oo Resident: night Eliza
druth Vlodovic: is this what you're referring to sophia?
druth Vlodovic: Pema Pera: so I wondered how it would feel to be naked to the point of there not being anything left "underneath"? Pema Pera: (done)
Calvino Rabeni: Good night Rhia
oO0Oo Resident: bye Rhi
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes thats part of it :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: basically its like a stone that gets something rolling
SophiaSharon Larnia: when we normally watch the world, we see solid objects Pema Pera: and their appearances Pema Pera: rather than primarily apperances which carry a meaning of solidity -- another appearance Pema Pera: and it suddenly occurred to me how it must feel to die Pema Pera: to suddenly be forced to let go of all that seems to exist so solidly Pema Pera: just see their appearances one last time . . . . Pema Pera: without a chance to go back and continue Pema Pera: that kind of ultimate dropping . . . .
SophiaSharon Larnia: in addition to that
SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont mean that to appear morbid
SophiaSharon Larnia: thats not the intent
druth Vlodovic: np
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: Its a package deal - the process of naming and creating concepts to refer to reality as "things" generates the background of reality that can't be thingified - we then call it Chaos and get annoyed by it
Calvino Rabeni: One action - two complementary effects
druth Vlodovic: I wonder why you seem upset by your thought sophia?
SophiaSharon Larnia: not upset, just wanted to ask Pema about that and felt had only a few minutesd here :)
oO0Oo Resident: I'm flashing on a poem that Ed Brown recited in the movie: 'How to Cook Your Life' (so heartfelt), and I'd like to share it if I may
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
oO0Oo Resident: kk
druth Vlodovic: please
oO0Oo Resident: Now we are ready to look at something pretty special. It is a duck riding the ocean a hundred feet beyond the surf, and he cuddles in the swells. There is a big heaving in the Atlantic. And he is part of it. He can rest while the Atlantic heaves, because he rests in the Atlantic. Probably he doesn’t know how large the ocean is. And neither do you. But he realises it. And what does he do, I ask you. He sits down in it. He reposes in the immediate as if it were infinity – which it is. That is religion, and the duck has it. I like the little duck. He doesn’t know much. But he has religion.
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
oO0Oo Resident: by Donald C. Babcock
druth Vlodovic: lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: its suggesting to rest
oO0Oo Resident: the way Ed recites it is worth a million
druth Vlodovic: not to fight
Calvino Rabeni: It's also saying ... think small
SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont see that, the duck realizes the ocen is infinity and sits
Calvino Rabeni: If the duck became a large ship, it could be toppled by the wave
Calvino Rabeni: as it is the duck can relax and ride
Calvino Rabeni: that is humility
SophiaSharon Larnia: well, if you ant to put it thatw ay
Calvino Rabeni: a duck is known as a symbol of humility
SophiaSharon Larnia: want*
druth Vlodovic: he sees infinity and accepts that he is in it, so he feels peaceful
SophiaSharon Larnia: quack
oO0Oo Resident: :))))) SSL
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
druth Vlodovic: peace and freedom from fear are part of us, and so our responsibility to feel
oO0Oo Resident: mmm
oO0Oo Resident nods
druth Vlodovic: he suggests that to decide to feel such freedom
druth Vlodovic: lol, that thought had another end just a bit ago
druth Vlodovic: it is an option
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
SophiaSharon Larnia: understand the thoughts having another end :D
oO0Oo Resident: wiggle
oO0Oo Resident: play
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
druth Vlodovic: another end?
SophiaSharon Larnia: you said that thought has another end
Calvino Rabeni: A few laps around the pool, anyone? :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: had*
SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe that what i need more exercise
druth Vlodovic: lol, no, I had that written and suddenly my mind went blank
SophiaSharon Larnia: its so cold here i run to the car and back thats about it
SophiaSharon Larnia: oic
oO0Oo Resident: how do i get in there Cal?
Calvino Rabeni: In the pool?
SophiaSharon Larnia: its hard to come here when you have somethyea Cal?
oO0Oo Resident: ya
SophiaSharon Larnia: i mean, yea CAl :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: you used to be able to sit in the fountain
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
oO0Oo Resident: i saw you do it once
druth Vlodovic: I like the idea of nothingness after myself, it means no "terror beyond" just what I help create here
Calvino Rabeni: It's not easy 0 ...
SophiaSharon Larnia: im not frightened of it exactly
--BELL--
oO0Oo Resident: kk
oO0Oo Resident: ty
oO0Oo Resident settles in the ocean of what is
SophiaSharon Larnia: but if you accept the idea of nonduality then isnt fullness and nothingness dul ends
SophiaSharon Larnia: dual*
druth Vlodovic: lol, I'm still in the beginner class, you'll have to explain it to me
SophiaSharon Larnia: like there is no time at ll and everythig happens in once
SophiaSharon Larnia: me too
SophiaSharon Larnia: re: begiinners class
SophiaSharon Larnia: in fact, i dont go to class i make this up as i go
oO0Oo Resident: :) Soph
Calvino Rabeni: If someone offers to promote me out of the beginners class, I'll refuse
druth Vlodovic: when we move out from shore, and see the bottom recede, and finally vanish, are we afraid of the depths? or the loss of the bottom?
SophiaSharon Larnia: (which isnt really true, we are all influence by what we read and our conditioning, or so ive been told)
Calvino Rabeni: I'm afraid of *things* that swim in the deep
druth Vlodovic: on a boat I find any fear tends to disappear once I'm far enough from shore
SophiaSharon Larnia: in a rl sense, im terrified of my physical safety
druth Vlodovic: you may lose it?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, or suffer pain etc I not ready to die yet
SophiaSharon Larnia: in a spirtual sense, its a lot more complcated to answer
druth Vlodovic: I get frightened sometimes to seek to far, that I may turn around and find that the person who set out no longer exists
SophiaSharon Larnia: i lost many selves that way
SophiaSharon Larnia: but im still me
druth Vlodovic: but cal and I met a fellow who proclaimed that each moment he is a new and different person,
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow
druth Vlodovic: so who he is now, he is now, and never will be again
SophiaSharon Larnia: does he retain any memory, and if sdo, how?
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
druth Vlodovic: lol
Calvino Rabeni: yeah, I read about such a neurological case
druth Vlodovic: when I was a kid I realized that adults don't understand kids, but were kids, so they must have forgotten, so I vowed never to forget what it was like
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont forget what it was like, but i see the danger now in what i thought then
Calvino Rabeni: Really it's not an actual experience, just a kind of idea that might be fun to imagine
Calvino Rabeni: Or maybe not so much fun, I suppose, maybe kind of a chore
druth Vlodovic: it's like death each time we change
Calvino Rabeni: plus rebirth, to be fair
SophiaSharon Larnia: that kind of deat is fine by me, i do want to retain some memort though
SophiaSharon Larnia: and some typing abilities too
druth Vlodovic: well, I kept part of my vow, and it helped me raise my kids :)
druth Vlodovic: ohh, I want some of that now!
druth Vlodovic: (typing ability)
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol I bet that really comes in handy Druth
SophiaSharon Larnia: the remembering what its like to be a kid
SophiaSharon Larnia: you can talk to them from where they are
SophiaSharon Larnia: i bet
druth Vlodovic: it gives an interesting experience to see it from both sides, so hard not to lose myself in my own perspective
SophiaSharon Larnia: can you say more?
Calvino Rabeni: The kids might be in an inbetween world thinking ... I hope I don't forget how to be an animal while I'm trying to get how to be an adult
Calvino Rabeni: Can you teach it ? :)
oO0Oo Resident: Druth :) (kids, remaining chidlike) benefit :))))
druth Vlodovic: I read pema talking about how good it was to have a child'sperspective, and I keep meaning to ask him if he has any :)
--BELL--
SophiaSharon Larnia: its definately something that is to be cultivated
druth Vlodovic: childlike, from a child's perspective, isn't sunlight and flowers
SophiaSharon Larnia: i undertstand
Calvino Rabeni: It's romantic .. Except ye be as little children ...
Calvino Rabeni: Then later ....
druth Vlodovic: I'd rather be a childish adult than anything else :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: or as somethng simplistic
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe druth
druth Vlodovic: I hear my mommy calling me...
druth Vlodovic: she sayd I have to get up at 5:00am tomorrow for work (wahh!)
Calvino Rabeni: That's heinous, darling !
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh my good ness :)
oO0Oo Resident: lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: youre not on est right
oO0Oo Resident: good to be with you druth
druth Vlodovic: lol, well, my kids catch the bus at 7 so they only get to sleep another 1/2hr later than me
druth Vlodovic: 'night all
oO0Oo Resident: :)))
druth Vlodovic: it's ten to midnight here
Calvino Rabeni: Goodnight, druth
SophiaSharon Larnia: night Druth!
SophiaSharon Larnia: eep late
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh its 10 to midnight for me too LOL
SophiaSharon Larnia: same time zone
Calvino Rabeni: It's not 9 to midnight here, but it *feels* like it .. so I'm going to enter dreamtime also
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe Cal good night :)
Calvino Rabeni: Good night SSL and 0
oO0Oo Resident: night Cal
oO0Oo Resident: wiggle
oO0Oo Resident: giggle
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
oO0Oo Resident: playful Cal
SophiaSharon Larnia: :) always nice to play i dont play enough i dont think
SophiaSharon Larnia: i play with ideas but theyre serious to me i suspect
SophiaSharon Larnia: anyway
oO0Oo Resident: mmm
SophiaSharon Larnia: goodnight Samuo thak you
oO0Oo Resident: something about wiggle, lessoning the distance or seperation etween ideas, and all the other arising phenomena
SophiaSharon Larnia: thank*
SophiaSharon Larnia: thinking really hard about that actually
oO0Oo Resident: hehe
SophiaSharon Larnia: wiggles
SophiaSharon Larnia: take care Samuo have fun
oO0Oo Resident: yup
oO0Oo Resident: :)))