2008.07.05 13:00 - Fael had Avatar Radar :)

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    That afternoon, Dakini was the guardian, and sent me the following log with her comments. The title is hers too.

    When I arrived, I found Quilty had preceded me. We were soon joined by Fael, Pia, and Sky.

    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Dakini
    Dakini Rhode: hi Quilty :)
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Fael Illyar: Hi Dakini, Quilty
    Dakini Rhode: Hi Fael and Faenik
    Quilty Bookmite: Thought I’d get here early for a change. I’m usually late. :-)
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Fael.
    Faenik: Hi Dakini
    Dakini Rhode: you did good, quilty
    Quilty Bookmite: :-)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Pia
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Pia
    Pia Iger: Hi,
    Dakini Rhode: no Pia so far for me…
    Dakini Rhode: oh there you are :-)
    Fael Illyar: Radar allows you to detect people you can’t see yet :)
    Dakini Rhode: indeed
    Quilty Bookmite: I just used the old fashioned technique of looking behind me. :-)
    Pia Iger: hehe. that is cool.
    Fael Illyar: I just look at my chat history screen, I get line informing me of people entering chat range :)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Sky
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Sky
    Sky Szimmer: hey y’all

    Quilty had something sparkly on his forehead, in fact, as I used my camera to zoom in, I saw he was wearing the PaB logo on his brow!

    Dakini Rhode: Quilty, I see you’ve used the PaB logo as decoration, and it works!
    Quilty Bookmite: Do you mean it works aesthetically? :-)
    Fael Illyar: I’m using it too :P
    Quilty Bookmite: Moon gave it to me.
    Sky Szimmer: i haven’t seen it. possible to show me?
    Dakini Rhode: cool
    Dakini Rhode: i see Quilty is wearing it on his brow
    Fael Illyar: the wearable PaB logo? just look at mine or Quilty’s forehead :)
    Pia Iger: I can’t see on Fael
    Dakini Rhode: i need to zoom closer to Fael to see it
    Fael Illyar: I wonder if mine is smaller
    Dakini Rhode: i think it’s closer to your forehead
    Fael Illyar: Yes, that could be it
    Sky Szimmer: don’t have a good view of either of you. but i just haven’t figured the controls out yet. will see it better another time, i’m sure.
    Fael Illyar: Did Dakini see the “sirens, steam and neon” version of PaB logo yet?
    Sky Szimmer: thanks guilty
    Dakini Rhode: Sky, if you want to zoom in closer…
    Dakini Rhode: hold down the Alt key
    Dakini Rhode: and then point closer ( i think you could use the middle mouse button, i have a touchpad)
    Fael Illyar: no, middle mouse button doesn’t work for me
    Dakini Rhode: how do you zoom in, Fael?
    Dakini Rhode: i hold down the Alt key, the Left mouse button, and i use the touchpad
    Fael Illyar: press and hold alt, click on what I want to zoom on in and move the mouse forward
    Dakini Rhode: it’s so automatic now i don’t know what i do
    Sky Szimmer: ah. thanks. got it. the logo is nice
    Dakini Rhode: :)
    Sky Szimmer: never saw myself close up like this either.
    Quilty Bookmite: Very cool!
    Dakini Rhode: i’m glad you learned a new skill, Sky :)
    Quilty Bookmite: I didn’t know you could do that.
    Fael Illyar: so, who wants a copy of it? I’ve got one version that goes on mouth and another that goes on nose.
    Dakini Rhode: once you get used to it, you keep trying to zoom in on things on the internet (at least i do)
    Quilty Bookmite: :-)
    Dakini Rhode: i’d like one, but i think i need to wear it on my nose
    Pia Iger: mouth version?
    Dakini Rhode: as my forehead doesn’t quite show
    Fael Illyar: it’s the attachment point
    Fael Illyar: it’s on forehead in either case
    Dakini Rhode: need new hair..
    Pia Iger: Dakini:)
    Quilty Bookmite: :-)
    Fael Illyar: I just have other things that use nose attachment point so I had to make a mouth version :)

    We were joined by Avastu…

    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Avastu
    Dakini Rhode: hi Avastu :)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Avastu
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friends
    Fael Illyar: Today might become an interesting, if confusing conversation :)

    Whatever did Fael mean?

    Banana Nut Muffin whispers: Hmmm, a fresh baked muffin!
    Faenik: why not?
    Dakini Rhode: especially with the muffins talking…
    Fael Illyar gave you pab logo kopf - mouth version (wear).
    Dakini Rhode: thank you, Fael :)
    Quilty Bookmite: Sorry, couldn’t resist. :-)
    Dakini Rhode: oh yes, quite an interesting accesory :)
    Quilty Bookmite: Why interesting and why confusing?
    Dakini Rhode: the PaB logo is interesting…
    Dakini Rhode: on the forehead
    Pia Iger: we look like a scary group.
    Dakini Rhode: sort of like a cult?
    Pia Iger: mmm
    Quilty Bookmite: Especially with my robes. :-)
    Dakini Rhode: :)
    Dakini Rhode: oh yes we could all wear those robes, too

    Fael leads us further down the path…

    Fael Illyar: Avastu came here :) We should talk about something to do with Being :)
    Dakini Rhode: to be truly scarey
    Dakini Rhode: thanks for turning us around, Fael
    Sky Szimmer: Sure. what would you like to talk about
    Fael Illyar: It’s always difficult to move the topic this way though :)
    Dakini Rhode: yes indeed, i hadn’t tried yet
    Sky Szimmer: i have a question to you all. it is about being appreciative and grateful
    Dakini Rhode: cool, sky!
    Pia Iger: good. sky
    Sky Szimmer: so much of what we have we take for granted
    Sky Szimmer: it seems like it must almost be a deliberate effort to be appreciative
    Sky Szimmer: but yet that seems too pretentious, to much work
    Dakini Rhode: unless you almost lose it…
    Sky Szimmer: it is true, but that is extreme. most of us hopefully don’t have to go there
    Sky Szimmer: for me, i have found I have to constantly remind myself of how magical it all is.
    Quilty Bookmite: I think when I take a moment to think about what I have gratitude comes easily. I don;t always do that. :-)
    Sky Szimmer: but then, is that OK?
    Sky Szimmer: maybe OK is not the right question
    Fael Illyar: If you are judgemental, doesn’t that make appreciation hard?
    Quilty Bookmite: Gratitude expressed is never bad, no matter how pretentious it seems.
    Dakini Rhode: when we feel gratitude
    Sky Szimmer: i don’t know if it is judgemental, but I guess it would be nice if my natural state is of appreciation and gratitude
    Dakini Rhode: is it associated with having?
    Dakini Rhode: or being?
    Sky Szimmer: what do you mean?
    Fael Illyar: Wouldn’t being appreciative and gratitude as natural state implicate that you do not take having things for granted?
    Dakini Rhode: well i was just thinking, when we play as being we let go of our view of “having”, and look for “being”…
    Sky Szimmer: yes. so that would be nice if that is the more constant state of being
    Dakini Rhode: not sure if i expressed that correctly
    Sky Szimmer: I think I get it.
    Fael Illyar: So, if you don’t assume you should have something, you can be grateful for having it.
    Sky Szimmer: maybe that is why we practice so we let go of assuming we have something
    Sky Szimmer: I see what you are saying Fael, that’s a good point. thus, it is the dropping that is often talked about here
    Quilty Bookmite: It’s easy to get sucked into thinking we have a right to the things we have. But so many other people don’t have those things.
    Sky Szimmer: yes.
    Fael Illyar: Quilty, whether other people have or don’t have those is not relevant.
    Dakini Rhode: seeing ourselves as being, do we truly “have” as much as we think we have?
    Sky Szimmer: but even the very mundane things, such as waking up in the morning
    Dakini Rhode: or are we merely “using” what we think we “have”
    Quilty Bookmite: Well, I sort of agree with you Fael, but it just puts it in perspective that we have so much and should be grateful.
    Sky Szimmer: Yes. we are constantly using.
    Fael Illyar: It helps reducing your assumptions on what you should have but it doesn’t take them as low as they should be.
    Sky Szimmer: and taking it for granted.
    Sky Szimmer: basically we have nothing.
    Sky Szimmer: not even a self
    Quilty Bookmite: Well, we could consider that we are very fortunate just to be born as human beings. :-)
    Sky Szimmer: so it seems.
    Sky Szimmer: but it is questioned about the fact that there is even something borned
    Quilty Bookmite: Sky, do you feel that you have no self?
    Sky Szimmer: yes.
    Dakini Rhode: Sky, when you say we have nothing, what is the feeling of that?

    Avastu’s SL avatar sat there smiling… why am I suddenly reminded of the folk tale “Tar Baby”?

    Fael Illyar: Avastu, you’re quite quiet?
    Avastu Maruti: what would you like me to say?
    Pia Iger: haha
    Sky Szimmer: Quilty. yes. sometimes when things are seen more clearly but not always
    Sky Szimmer: i don’t know how to answer you Dakini
    Dakini Rhode: Avastu, your avatar looks like sitting there quite content
    Quilty Bookmite: I think gratitude is part of that path to disolving the self.
    Dakini Rhode: when i read your words, i wasn’ tsure how you were feeling…
    Dakini Rhode: when you said we have nothing…
    Dakini Rhode: not even a self
    Faenik: ah :)
    Dakini Rhode: i wondered if you could tell me how that feels to you
    Sky Szimmer: humm. feeling wise, there are all the senses which provides feedback.
    Sky Szimmer: from a perspective point of view, everything is just given including the self
    Sky Szimmer: for me, sometimes, I see clearly but it comes and goes.
    Sky Szimmer: which is why I have to grapple with appreciation and gratitude
    Dakini Rhode: there are more ways than one to see “no self”
    Dakini Rhode: that’s why i asked you to clarify
    Fael Illyar: Avastu, could focusing on self and seeing only self be likened to not seeing the forest for the trees?
    Sky Szimmer: thanks. questions like that are very useful/
    Dakini Rhode: you could analyze things logically and deduce that there is no self
    Avastu Maruti: can you look anywhere and not see self?
    Dakini Rhode: but that is very hard
    Avastu Maruti: even the “one” who looks is THAT!
    Sky Szimmer: but why the fluctuation?
    Dakini Rhode: Avastu, are you referring to the interconnectedness of all phenomena?
    Dakini Rhode: in other words, “all things are”…
    Dakini Rhode: so there is no separate, solid self?
    Avastu Maruti: interconnetedness assumes separation
    Dakini Rhode: so many ways to talk about “no self”
    Dakini Rhode: why do you say that?
    Avastu Maruti: “things” which are interconnected
    Dakini Rhode: is there a better word to use?
    Avastu Maruti: a better word to use for what?
    Dakini Rhode: interconnectedness
    Dakini Rhode: interbeing
    Dakini Rhode: being
    Avastu Maruti: any word you use is fine
    Dakini Rhode: well perhaps using a word that implies separateness is not the best…
    Avastu Maruti: the word is never the “thing” - can the word “fire” burn?
    Dakini Rhode: yes words are pointers, tags
    Avastu Maruti: is being ever hidden?
    Pia Iger: In what kind of situation does Sky feel hard to appreciate?
    Sky Szimmer: Do you live in a state of constant graititude Avastu?
    Avastu Maruti: “states” come and go
    Avastu Maruti: what you are is not a state - it is THIS in which all states appear
    Sky Szimmer: Pia, when I brush teeth, when I eat, etc.
    Dakini Rhode: is there a better word to use than “state”?
    Avastu Maruti: any word is fine
    Avastu Maruti: what are you looking for?
    Pia Iger: It is highly demanding to be appreciateive in 24/7.
    Sky Szimmer: yes. I see that Avastu, but sometimes, it seems that I have to be reminded
    Dakini Rhode: well on a few occasions when we have use certain words, you say “no, not that, that is not IT”
    Avastu Maruti: WHO has to be reminded? BEING is never hidden
    Dakini Rhode: so i wonder if you would substitute a different word
    Dakini Rhode: or if you are just saying, “not this, not that…”
    Sky Szimmer: wthe self that forgets
    Avastu Maruti: what can be forgotten or remembered? these are only present thoughts
    Sky Szimmer: but then there is no self
    Avastu Maruti: “self”, “being”, “awareness”, “oneness”
    Sky Szimmer: ah Avastu! present thoughts/
    Dakini Rhode: Avastu, good words
    Avastu Maruti: we create this image of “me” then try to apply shoulds and coulds
    Sky Szimmer: thank you.
    Avastu Maruti: being can never be found, simply because it is already THIS
    Avastu Maruti: already everything
    Fael Illyar: (this is what that interesting and confusing meant erlier :) )


    Quilty Bookmite: :-)
    Avastu Maruti: it is only confusion when the mind is used to analyze
    Faenik: ah :)
    Avastu Maruti: the mind/thoughts appear in THIS HERE NOW!
    Fael Illyar: the mind wants to analyze.
    Avastu Maruti: can you think a thought a moment ago or a moment in the future?
    Pia Iger: sure.
    Avastu Maruti: ok - do it now
    Avastu Maruti: try to get outside of THIS moment
    Quilty Bookmite: Not a moment in the future but a moment ago, yes.
    Avastu Maruti: THIS Consciousness
    Avastu Maruti: you are thinking a moment ago?
    Avastu Maruti: aren’t these present thoughts?
    Fael Illyar: The point is that there is no “moment ago”?
    Quilty Bookmite: No, simply thinking of a thought I had a moment ago.
    Avastu Maruti: isn’t that memory?
    Quilty Bookmite: What is the difference?
    Avastu Maruti: isn’t memory a PRESENT thought?
    Avastu Maruti: BEING is only ever HERE NOW
    Avastu Maruti: THIS!
    Avastu Maruti: all the thoughts and all the questions and the shoulds and the image of “ME”
    Avastu Maruti: seeking BEING is to never find it
    Avastu Maruti: because you already ARE it
    Avastu Maruti: you are looking directly at BEING, at Oneness, NOW!
    Quilty Bookmite: Thank you. I haven’t looked at it from that point of view before.
    Avastu Maruti: all points of view happen in BEING
    Sky Szimmer: but saying you are looking at Being, implies some sense of separation
    Avastu Maruti: yes!
    Avastu Maruti: Being looking at itself!
    Avastu Maruti: this very moment!
    Sky Szimmer: so there is just looing
    Sky Szimmer: looking
    Avastu Maruti: yes!!!
    Avastu Maruti: only seeing/knowing
    Avastu Maruti: there is no “I” hearing the “bell”
    Avastu Maruti: this is created in thoughts - subject/object
    Avastu Maruti: there is only ever the hearing
    Avastu Maruti: pure SEEing
    Avastu Maruti: pure seeing/knowing
    Avastu Maruti: and this is already happening, NOW!
    Avastu Maruti: look!
    Sky Szimmer: but hearing bell
    Sky Szimmer: hearing and bell are the same?
    Avastu Maruti: yes!
    Sky Szimmer: hearing bell being are the same
    Avastu Maruti: yes
    Avastu Maruti: find the separation without using thoughts or concepts
    Dakini Rhode: are we using the word “being” to mean hearing, looking, seeing, and all &etc.?
    Avastu Maruti: BEING can never be defined or grased with words
    Avastu Maruti: words appear IN being
    Avastu Maruti: in THIS! THIS HERE NOW
    Avastu Maruti: this moment
    Faenik: なるほど^^

    (not sure what Faenik said there…)

    Avastu Maruti: being seems obscured simply because it is already everything
    Avastu Maruti: so why seek it!
    Dakini Rhode: personally i think we should try to use words, even though they fall short of the mark
    Sky Szimmer: it is just hard to remember that when someone is yelling at you
    Avastu Maruti: the idea of “ME” is another appearance in BEING
    Avastu Maruti: we have nothing except words to use
    Dakini Rhode: right
    Sky Szimmer: when someone is yelling at you or making demands, it is hard to remember that all are one
    Avastu Maruti: the “I’m not remembering BEING because someone is yelling” is ALSO being
    Sky Szimmer: yes. i understand that
    Dakini Rhode: Sky, you make a good point, and that is (if i understand correctly) how to bring this philosophy into our lives
    Sky Szimmer: but because it is a situation that causes a sense of self again
    Avastu Maruti: there is no need to drop the sense of self
    Avastu Maruti: that is part of the livingness, the actuality of BEING
    Dakini Rhode: actually, if i may…
    Avastu Maruti: only it is a mirage - once we know it holds no water, we no longer try to quench our thirst
    Sky Szimmer: but for me, in that situation, it causes a perspective shift
    Dakini Rhode: i actually have something to say about this…
    Dakini Rhode: practical
    Sky Szimmer: that causes duality
    Sky Szimmer: yes. Dakini sorry to interrupt
    Avastu Maruti: duality appears IN THIS
    Dakini Rhode: we can have an experience of our essential unity / oneness / interconnectedness
    Dakini Rhode: we don’t fully grok it without the experience
    Avastu Maruti: WHO is there to have the experience?
    Dakini Rhode: and even in the moment when someone is yelling at us…

    Avastu finally got quite wound up in enlightening us…

    Dakini Rhode: excuse me, Avastu
    Dakini Rhode: if i can finish my train of thought
    Avastu Maruti: yes my friend
    Dakini Rhode: even in the moment of someone yelling at us, if we LOOK
    Dakini Rhode: the experience of oneness is available
    Dakini Rhode: we can see that we and the one who is yelling are connected
    Dakini Rhode: and when we see that, we can have the utmost compassion for the one who is yeeling
    Dakini Rhode: yelling
    Sky Szimmer: yes. Dakini, oneness is all that is. hard to see sometimes
    Dakini Rhode: because we see that they are us
    Dakini Rhode: and i think that is what Caspian meant, the time he said someone was the homeless person
    Dakini Rhode: not that we do this every time
    Dakini Rhode: not that it’s easy
    Dakini Rhode: but if we know it’s possible
    Dakini Rhode: we might remember to look for it
    Dakini Rhode: and we might see
    Sky Szimmer: another way to see that is that the person yelling is another puppet that is in his own dream and that is has nothing to do with us
    Dakini Rhode: indeed
    Dakini Rhode: another “suffereing human being behaving unskillfully”
    Avastu Maruti: “WHO” has an “experience of Oneness”?
    Sky Szimmer: there is no experience of oneness, just oneness
    Avastu Maruti: yes
    Dakini Rhode: there is no WHO in oneness
    Avastu Maruti: so all this is only thought, only beliefs
    Avastu Maruti: only stories
    Dakini Rhode: this is trying to describe experience with limited words
    Sky Szimmer: there is no who that experiences
    Avastu Maruti: if you like one part and don’t like another (yelling) - that is suffering
    Avastu Maruti: ALL of it is THIS, all of it happens in YOU!
    Dakini Rhode: well that is a good note
    Dakini Rhode: on which i can remind us… that our hour is up
    Dakini Rhode: and i must take my leave
    Sky Szimmer: thanks Dakini.
    Quilty Bookmite: Bye Dakini. I must go too.
    Fael Illyar: See you later Dakini :)
    Avastu Maruti: good bye my friend
    Quilty Bookmite: Thank you all and especially thank you Avastu!
    Dakini Rhode: if you’d like to continue the conversation, please feel welcome, and send Pema the transcript if you like
    Sky Szimmer: yes Dakini
    Dakini Rhode: goodbye friends, and thank you for all the discussion _/!\_
    Pia Iger: bye, Dakini, Quilty
    Fael Illyar: Bye Quilty :)

    I have a feeling there may be a Part 2 to this blog entry…. :->

    [Pema writing from here on:]

    and indeed, there was! Later Pia would send me the remainder of the chat log. From here on the comments are mine.

    Sky Szimmer: It is hard to bypass the conditioning to prefer this v. that.
    Pia Iger: Avastu, can I understand what you said as “all is well”,
    Avastu Maruti: yes - all is well
    Pia Iger: “we don’t need to do anything” or nothing needs to be done?
    Avastu Maruti: who is there to do anything?
    Avastu Maruti: this “image” of you?
    Sky Szimmer: but this does not mean no action
    Pia Iger: right now, yes. Me has to write, cook, clean
    Avastu Maruti: actions happen - the mind then places ownership and doership
    Sky Szimmer: please explain that a bit Avastu
    Avastu Maruti: WHO is reading these words?
    Fael Illyar: Is it only this mirage of “me” that doesn’t SEE?
    Avastu Maruti: reading happens, then the mind says “I am reading”
    Avastu Maruti: the “I AM” is the source of this illusion
    Faenik: ah :)
    Avastu Maruti: but what really is the I AM pointing or referring to?
    Avastu Maruti: not the limited and constructed “reality” of this “image”
    Avastu Maruti: but the very seeing/knowing itself
    Sky Szimmer: but there is the deliberation that leads to action, though it is all Being
    Sky Szimmer: right?

    Avastu returned to the WHO question, again . . .

    Avastu Maruti: yes - it appears so, but WHO is doing any of this?
    Sky Szimmer: Being
    Avastu Maruti: any “experience” can happen
    Avastu Maruti: they all come and go, like clouds in the sky
    Avastu Maruti: clouds never touch the sky
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Avastu Maruti: yet, the ARE they sky!
    Avastu Maruti: “cloud” and “sky” are only words, which appear to break up reality
    Sky Szimmer: there is deliberation that leads to action, but deliberation and action is the same?
    Avastu Maruti: if we look up, do we need any words to KNOW the “sky”?

    . . . and again . . .

    Avastu Maruti: WHO deliberates?
    Sky Szimmer: there is no Who but a sense of deliberation
    Sky Szimmer: i mean there is the act of deliberation don’t you agree?
    Avastu Maruti: of course
    Avastu Maruti: but where does this happen?
    Avastu Maruti: in what “container”?
    Avastu Maruti: what is the ground of all experience?
    Sky Szimmer: it is all part of Being
    Sky Szimmer: no?
    Avastu Maruti: “being” is only a word - what is it pointing to?
    Sky Szimmer: Here Now
    Sky Szimmer: Present
    Avastu Maruti: yes

    . . . and from there to Be/Are/Am.

    Avastu Maruti: can you deny that you ARE?
    Sky Szimmer: Who denies what?
    Avastu Maruti: do you need any concepts to know that you ARE?
    Sky Szimmer: no. there is just “am”
    Avastu Maruti: yes!
    Sky Szimmer: I am sorry but I must go. Thank you Avastu!
    Sky Szimmer: Thank you everyone! Nice chatting!
    Avastu Maruti: thank you, my friend
    Fael Illyar: Ok, See you later Sky :)
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Pia Iger: bye, Sky
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you
    Pia Iger: Avastu, how shall I see that “I hate cleaning”? a very practical question.

    Avastu once again cut through all questioning.

    Avastu Maruti: cleaning happens
    Avastu Maruti: hating cleaning happens
    Avastu Maruti: or liking cleaning happens
    Avastu Maruti: all experiences come and go
    Avastu Maruti: in YOU!
    Pia Iger: but I still have to do it.
    Avastu Maruti: in THIS!
    Avastu Maruti: there is no one who cleans
    Pia Iger: not sure I am clear. Pls say more.
    Avastu Maruti: you are not the body-mind
    Avastu Maruti: you are not this limited “image” you have taken yourself to be
    Avastu Maruti: we try to build up that image, make it more to our liking
    Avastu Maruti: no matter what is added or removed, it never satisfies completely
    Fael Illyar: whose liking?
    Avastu Maruti: liking or not liking is another distinction
    Avastu Maruti: this “image” is not what you are
    Avastu Maruti: you are THAT in which it all appears, the liking and disliking
    Avastu Maruti: not the mind, for that too appears in YOU
    Avastu Maruti: even the ideas about birth and death, time and space, appear in THIS immediate knowingness
    Avastu Maruti: being is overlooked, simply because it is ALREADY everything
    Avastu Maruti: it is YOU
    Avastu Maruti: no matter what the thought, the situation, the “good or bad”, YOU are the ground of any experience
    Avastu Maruti: the “container”
    Avastu Maruti: the “knowing”, which is never actually divided into a “ME” who knows “something”
    Fael Illyar: If we are all Being, why do these “images” get polished?
    Avastu Maruti: anything can “happen”
    Avastu Maruti: there is no why
    Fael Illyar: There is only Being, so … it’s these “images” that learn they’re mirages?
    Avastu Maruti: nothing happens that is not being
    Faenik: could be
    Avastu Maruti: so if “images” learn, that’s being too
    Avastu Maruti: it is only the mind which attempts to make these distinctions

    Can we step out of awareness?

    Avastu Maruti: but pause mind
    Avastu Maruti: pause thought for a moment
    Avastu Maruti: simply pause
    Avastu Maruti: in that pause, did you fall apart, disappear? did “knowing” stop?
    Pia Iger: seems not
    Avastu Maruti: can you stop being aware?
    Fael Illyar: no
    Pia Iger: in sleep, maybe
    Avastu Maruti: do you wake to an alarm?
    Pia Iger: yep.
    Avastu Maruti: what is aware of the alarm?
    Avastu Maruti: if awareness stopped
    Avastu Maruti: awarness witnesses the coming and going of all the “states”
    Avastu Maruti: even “deep sleep”
    Fael Illyar: what is it that is trying to understand Being?
    Avastu Maruti: Being!
    Pia Iger: what is the good of understand Being?
    Avastu Maruti: what is “good” or “bad”?
    Pia Iger: enlightened is good, normally thinking.
    Avastu Maruti: what is enlightenment? WHO can BE that?
    Avastu Maruti: isn’t that something else for the “image”?
    Faenik: could be
    Avastu Maruti: it is another “thing” to be added, something to make ME better, smarter, wiser
    Avastu Maruti: there is no one here to become enlightened
    Fael Illyar: … Being is trying to understand Being … Being doesn’t understand Being …
    Avastu Maruti: Being is ALL of it
    Avastu Maruti: it includes the “attempts to understand”
    Avastu Maruti: and it includes the “forgetting about being”
    Avastu Maruti: no matter where you turn, HERE YOU ARE

    And here a one-liner, summing it all up.

    Avastu Maruti: being is not hard to find, it is inescapable
    Pia Iger: I try to apply this to daily life, not clear yet.
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Avastu Maruti: when we see that no matter what we do, no matter where we turn, I-AM-NESS is the ground of all experience
    Avastu Maruti: then daily life is ALSO THAT!
    Avastu Maruti: even if it is “I don’t like cleaning”
    Faenik: why not?
    Avastu Maruti: you are ALREADY what you seek
    Avastu Maruti: seeking it seemingly is what obscures it
    Avastu Maruti: the search for a “better” experience
    Avastu Maruti: a more “enlightened” experience
    Avastu Maruti: it is all false
    Avastu Maruti: THIS is it
    Avastu Maruti: NOW
    Pia Iger: how is it different from ” I am doomed”?
    Avastu Maruti: “I am doomed” is THAT too!

    Avastu continued his really radical approach.

    Avastu Maruti: if it is not present NOW, how can it be reality? how can it be Truth?
    Avastu Maruti: is reality something we find in the future, after so much seeking?
    Pia Iger: but what we do now has effect on future, that is why we are weighing on the decision/visions.
    Avastu Maruti: yes - this is a story
    Avastu Maruti: what is present NOW and doesn’t require a “story” to know?
    Faenik: ah :)
    Pia Iger: can you rephrase this?
    Avastu Maruti: a story requires beliefs, assumptions
    Avastu Maruti: thoughts
    Avastu Maruti: what is present NOW without using thoughts, beliefs or assumptions?
    Avastu Maruti: maybe we say “I am hearing the birds”
    Avastu Maruti: but this is a story
    Avastu Maruti: an “I” which hears “birds”
    Faenik loves wells!
    Avastu Maruti: the “I” is an assumption
    Avastu Maruti: it’s a false reference point
    Avastu Maruti: all there truly IS, is pure SEEing
    Avastu Maruti: pure experiencing
    Avastu Maruti: without a ME there to experience
    Avastu Maruti: without a “bird” or “world” to experience
    Avastu Maruti: the subject and object are creations in thought
    Avastu Maruti: stories
    Avastu Maruti: seemingly breaking up Oneness
    Pia Iger: so normally we live in a lot of stories.
    Avastu Maruti: yes!
    Avastu Maruti: it’s ALL a story
    Avastu Maruti: discard all stories, what remains?
    Pia Iger: direct seeing?
    Avastu Maruti: you tell me

    Avastu refused to give a theory or explanation, wanted to stick to the invitation to just see.

    Pia Iger: haha
    Pia Iger: Fael, do you have questions?
    Faenik: indeed?
    Fael Illyar: So like when reading a story, it makes no difference what goes on in the story?
    Avastu Maruti: I’m not talking about a paperback fiction
    Avastu Maruti: I’m talking about the fiction that is “ME”
    Pia Iger: If nothing, now I at least feel a bit relieved.
    Fael Illyar: relieved?
    Pia Iger: not much pressure of getting better or smarter, so on.
    Avastu Maruti: the “good and bad” always happen in pure SEEing
    Fael Illyar: No need :)
    Avastu Maruti: the only YOU that is EVER affected is the FALSE YOU created in stories, in thought, in belief
    Avastu Maruti: simply notice this
    Avastu Maruti: you are the formless ocean of awareness in which all this seems to happen
    Avastu Maruti: the “seeking” and the “finding” are irrelevant

    Pia brought up a central question that is often misunderstood: does dropping a sense of “I” also means dropping responsibility?

    Pia Iger: what about responsibilities we usually talk about in daily life?
    Avastu Maruti: responsibilities happen
    Avastu Maruti: this is not a denial of life
    Avastu Maruti: only pointing to THAT IN WHICH life happens
    Faenik loves wells!
    Fael Illyar: it will all happen?
    Avastu Maruti: what will all happen?
    Fael Illyar: all :)
    Avastu Maruti: ALL - IS happening or NOT happening
    Avastu Maruti: if we use thoughts - we can point out lots of “things” happening
    Avastu Maruti: but does thought ever create “things” or only label them?
    Fael Illyar: maybe “whatever you can think of” instead of all
    Avastu Maruti: do we require thoughts or labels to KNOW?
    Avastu Maruti: to directly KNOW reality? THIS!
    Avastu Maruti: but THIS HERE NOW is never “good enough”
    Avastu Maruti: it always has to be something “more”
    Avastu Maruti: something “better”
    Avastu Maruti: “I want to find BEING!”
    Avastu Maruti: it’s all false
    Avastu Maruti: you ARE being
    Avastu Maruti: THIS is being
    Avastu Maruti: this moment
    Avastu Maruti: nowhere else
    Avastu Maruti: EVER
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Pia Iger: Sounds simple, how come most ppl don’t know?

    With an occasional whisper from Faenik, Avastu pointed out how all of our questions tend to deflect us away from Being.

    Avastu Maruti: well, we can say that there are no “other people”
    Avastu Maruti: or we can say that everyone is looking for something “outside” of THIS
    Avastu Maruti: something “better” than THIS
    Avastu Maruti: NOW is never good enough
    Avastu Maruti: NOW is the miracle!
    Avastu Maruti: and whatever NOW is, that’s IT
    Avastu Maruti: maybe NOW is “birds chirping”, or “cleaning”
    Avastu Maruti: the fiction of “ME” requires us to go into memory or anticipation
    Avastu Maruti: requires us to go outside of direct SEEing
    Faenik: indeed?
    Avastu Maruti: try to get out of NOW
    Avastu Maruti: try to stop KNOWING
    Avastu Maruti: not a “ME” that knows “this or that”
    Avastu Maruti: the present and direct ACTIVITY of knowing
    Avastu Maruti: that is going on now
    Avastu Maruti: you are knowing these words
    Avastu Maruti: you are knowing the sounds of birds
    Avastu Maruti: you are knowing the butt pressing in chair
    Avastu Maruti: knowing is happening
    Avastu Maruti: but it can only ever happen NOW
    Avastu Maruti: not a moment in the past or a moment in the future
    Avastu Maruti: and that formless knowing, that ocean of awareness, is what you are
    Avastu Maruti: IN WHICH the “idea” or “story” of “ME” happens
    Pia Iger: Thanks a lot, Avastu.
    Avastu Maruti: thank you, my friend
    Fael Illyar: Yes, thank you.
    Avastu Maruti: good bye, my friends

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