2009.01.05 01:00 – Difference Between a Riddle and a Koan

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    Gaya was the guardian on call for this session and comments are hers. Gaya found warren sitting at the playgoda when she arrived.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello warren
    warren Abeyante: Hi Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: You've been here before?
    warren Abeyante: No this my first time
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah, let me give you some information. We have sessions each day 1 am, 7 am, 1 pm andn 7 pm
    warren Abeyante accepted your inventory offer.
    Gaya Ethaniel: We record our discussions on http://playasbeing.wik.is/ Would it be ok to include you?
    warren Abeyante: certainly
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you

    Crusty joins us.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Crusty :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Hi Guys :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: How are you?
    Crusty Goldshark: In recovery
    Gaya Ethaniel: Recovery?
    Crusty Goldshark: . . . from Christmas ;)
    warren Abeyante: Hi crusty I'm new here and in sl too
    Crusty Goldshark: How are you?
    Crusty Goldshark: Hi Warren - have you been to any orgies yet?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Still recovering... must have been a big celebration
    warren Abeyante: Well at least new years did not set you back
    Gaya Ethaniel: Very well thank you :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Some guy gets born over 2000 years ago and we are still partying . . .
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm...?
    warren Abeyante: no I didn't get any 'equipment when I was born. and it got me in so much troble in rl that I haven't bouhgt one yet
    Crusty Goldshark: New year ? Which calendar?
    Crusty Goldshark: You can get free equipment Warren - stay away from more than one though LOL

    Tarmel joins us and Crusty continues to talk in ‘riddles’.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Tarmel :)
    Crusty Goldshark: So Gaya - enlightened yet?
    Crusty Goldshark: Hi Tamel :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: warren, not all of us talk in such riddles as Crusty does
    warren Abeyante: hi Tamel
    Tarmel Udimo: hi crusty and gaya and warren
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles at Crusty
    Crusty Goldshark: What have I said that is a riddle?
    warren Abeyante: a riddle is just an easy koan
    Crusty Goldshark: LOL - well said
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Crusty Goldshark: You can solve a riddle but not a koan
    warren Abeyante: ah very wise
    Crusty Goldshark: Gaya say something profound before my reputation as a clown is blown . . .
    Crusty Goldshark: Do you practice Zen Warren?
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'd never do such a thing Crusty...
    Crusty Goldshark: Good for you :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    warren Abeyante: not religiously
    Crusty Goldshark: In what form then?
    warren Abeyante: I do sit a bit
    Crusty Goldshark: I sit quite a bit - doing it now . . .oh meditation?
    warren Abeyante: no formal zendo in my area so abunch of us sit at a yoga studio
    Crusty Goldshark: Isn't that dangerous?
    warren Abeyante: we just count breaths
    Crusty Goldshark: How many are you up to?
    warren Abeyante: some times I get as far as 14 or 15
    Crusty Goldshark: that is a lot
    Gaya Ethaniel: When I count breaths, I do 1 to 10...
    warren Abeyante: well somebody has to do it :-0
    Crusty Goldshark: yes - this is the vipassana method they do this in Zen too?
    warren Abeyante: me too but sometimes I find myself at fifteen

    Tarmel leaves us and we try out 9 seconds.

    Tarmel Udimo: I have to leave for a few mins - I'll be right back
    Gaya Ethaniel: ok
    warren Abeyante: see ya
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm normally ignorant of 'labels' of practices I do... so this is the vipassana not zen?
    warren Abeyante: is there ever a program or do you just have discuuions similar to ours now?
    Crusty Goldshark: Discussions
    Gaya Ethaniel: We have a few 'meditation experiments' some of us participate and discuss as and when
    warren Abeyante: I'm just not as normaly ignorant as I'd like to be.
    Crusty Goldshark: oh - can we do one of those experiments Gaya?
    warren Abeyante: yes lets
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sure, let's do 9 sec? For about 9 sec, we 'drop' and 'see'
    Crusty Goldshark: Oh its snowing in RL
    Gaya Ethaniel: mmhmm very pretty :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Let me first find some information on 9 sec for warren
    warren Abeyante: ty
    Crusty Goldshark: finished!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Report in please Crusty
    Crusty Goldshark: shall I do another 9 secs whilts I am waiting?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Report first?
    Crusty Goldshark: OK - report what?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Some of us discuss 9 seconds here, http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_log_excerpts/Excerpts_(short)/Basics_of_9_sec_Practice
    Gaya Ethaniel: Your experience of 9 sec if you'd like Crusty
    Crusty Goldshark: [shru] Nothing to report
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Just snow - how about you?
    warren Abeyante: i'll just copy the url and see it later
    Gaya Ethaniel: Nothing...
    Crusty Goldshark: I'll do another 9 secs with a report in mind
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    warren Abeyante: yes and what is all this nothing I have been hearing about ;-)\\
    Crusty Goldshark: Ok this time I gor a w'waterdrop on cherry tree' - the snow melted . . .
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Snow is swirling now - might be time for another 9 secs

    warren leaves us and Crusty tells me a bit about Wii Fit.

    warren Abeyante: It is 3:30 in my zone so I'm going to go now hope to see you later and ty for the info Gaya
    Crusty Goldshark: drifting flakes . . .
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not sure I am fit to answer your question warren
    Gaya Ethaniel: Good night warren
    Crusty Goldshark: bye Tarmel - be kind to the fish
    warren Abeyante: ttfn
    Crusty Goldshark: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: What do you think of 9 sec practice so far Crusty?
    Crusty Goldshark: As good as snow
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Crusty Goldshark: I was doing yoga on the Wii Fit again this morning - that is good fun
    Gaya Ethaniel: Is it? I've seen it but haven't tried yet
    Gaya Ethaniel: Would be difficult do to 'locust' on Wii Fit...
    Crusty Goldshark: Yes I hope they bring out Qi Ong or tai chi too - I am trying to unlock (have to do more stuff) the meditation sequence - apparantly the max is only 5 mins . . .
    Gaya Ethaniel: Maximum of...?
    Crusty Goldshark: Well the exercises are often simplified for example the salutation to the Sun is all done standing
    Crusty Goldshark: 5 min max of meditation - I think
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: Better than doing nothing I guess
    Gaya Ethaniel: Especially if it's fun :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Yes I enjoy tennis playing and did some boxing to music this morning - a 3 minute jog etc

    Nothing beckons.

    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Crusty Goldshark: Anyway Nothing beckons - have a great day :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Enjoy your day Crusty :)
    Crusty Goldshark: do my bestest :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)

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