2009.01.26 07:00 - The big pileup

The Guardian for this meeting was Becka Finesmith but she didn't show up so Fael took up the task to post.
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Susi Alcott: hi Fael
Fael Illyar: Hi Susi :)
Susi Alcott: was hard to find where to sit :)
Susi Alcott: can be taken seriously too
Susi Alcott: as I like to sit beside somebody or to make some 'invisible' form
Susi Alcott: usually the triangle
Fael Illyar: Well, now you're sitting next to someone :)
Susi Alcott: yes, but I had to chooce the place alone at first
Fael Illyar: logins seem to be working
Susi Alcott: had no prob with that today
Susi Alcott: still it does not nesessary proove anything
Fael Illyar: yes, although you'd expect at least someone else here.
Susi Alcott: agree
Fael Illyar: Ah, Hi Crusty :)
Susi Alcott: Hi Crusty
Fael Illyar: So, how is it going today, Crusty?
Crusty Goldshark: :)
Fael Illyar: I take that means well :)
Crusty Goldshark: well :)
Susi Alcott: you also seem to be very talkeable today :)
Crusty Goldshark: :)
Fael Illyar: I'm talkative too, as you can see :)
Crusty Goldshark: How are you guys?
Susi Alcott: and 'hear'
Susi Alcott: :)
Crusty Goldshark: Glad to hear it :)
Fael Illyar: I'm well, a bit in the clouds but well :)
Crusty Goldshark: Which clouds?
Susi Alcott: we had long night with Fael last night
Crusty Goldshark: ?
Fael Illyar: the metaphorical clouds :)
Susi Alcott: there was one person needing special help
Crusty Goldshark: OK
Susi Alcott: maybe you Fael have 'some clouds' for that
Fael Illyar: perhaps, yes.
Crusty Goldshark: I have been wondering about teleportation
Fael Illyar: in SL?
Crusty Goldshark: in RL
Fael Illyar: Ok, sounds interesting.
Susi Alcott: there's several possibilities to that
Crusty Goldshark: well the research is very primitive but it can be done via entanglement in Quantum physics
Susi Alcott: some stargates helps some people to do that too
Susi Alcott: the one in La Culata I was told that kept even such people who was not enlightened
Crusty Goldshark: The question is when you sleep how do you know it is you that wakes and when you teleport how do you know a 'you' has been destroyed?
Susi Alcott: they only wanted to thrill there something
Susi Alcott: 'you' has not never been destroyed in case you find yourself to exist 'again'
Fael Illyar: what is this 'you'?
Susi Alcott: in case 'you' ---'I'---is destroyed, it shall not 'return'
Fael Illyar: Hi Corvi :)
Susi Alcott: HI Corvi
Fael Illyar: Oh, you're a crow today :)
Susi Alcott: you can 'sit' there too; on my lap
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Susi Alcott: Hi ClaPat
Corvuscorva Nightfire bobbles her head
Fael Illyar: Hi ClaPat :)
Fael Illyar: Hi Gen :)
Susi Alcott: black and white are very nice 'couple'
Susi Alcott: Hi gen
genesis Zhangsun: Hey Susi :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire bobbles.
genesis Zhangsun: Hey Fael
Susi Alcott: Corvi ;we can now join our power
genesis Zhangsun: Hey Corvi and Crusty
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods to Gen.
Susi Alcott: how r you genesis today ?
Crusty Goldshark: hi gen :)
genesis Zhangsun: fine thank you Susi ankles too :)
Fael Illyar smiles at Corvi.
genesis Zhangsun: Hey Sky!
Corvuscorva Nightfire pecks at Gael's stringy thingies..
Fael Illyar: Hi Sky :)
genesis Zhangsun: Long time no see :)
Sky Szimmer: hi, long time!
genesis Zhangsun: hows it going?
Fael Illyar: Corvi, please leave my dress in one piece :)
Sky Szimmer: busy.
Sky Szimmer: and out of touch
Corvuscorva Nightfire tugs at one of those bits...
genesis Zhangsun: :(
Fael Illyar: It's been a while, Sky. I think I last saw you at Princeton in RL. :)
Sky Szimmer: yes. that was the last time i've checked in
Susi Alcott: Hi Sky
Sky Szimmer: had no computer access until recently
Sky Szimmer: hi susi
genesis Zhangsun: why out of touch sky?
Fael Illyar looks at Corvi with a troubled look.
Sky Szimmer: no computer access, no time to log on without being tugged elsewhere
genesis Zhangsun: Ah ok...
Fael Illyar: busy life, truly.
Corvuscorva Nightfire leaves off and nibbles your hair flower instead, a petal dripping from her mouth.
Sky Szimmer: this is nice new location
genesis Zhangsun: yes Storm's creation
genesis Zhangsun: moved here...hmmm not sure when?
genesis Zhangsun: Hey adelene!
Fael Illyar gives up and gives Corvi a hug.
Corvuscorva Nightfire chitters and leans into you.
Adelene Dawner: hi all :)
Fael Illyar: Hi Adele :)
Crusty Goldshark: hi adalene
Sky Szimmer: hi
Susi Alcott: Hi Adelene
Sky Szimmer: tech question, how do i save this location?
Fael Illyar: There are notecard dispensers around this place that give a notecard and a landmark
Sky Szimmer: thanks.
genesis Zhangsun: You can also go to "World" and choose "create landmark"
Susi Alcott: but to Crysty's question, I'de say, that you 'just know'
genesis Zhangsun: what was Crusty's question?
Fael Illyar: I'd go as far as to say that the whole question assumes something that's not quite right but I'm not sure what.
Crusty Goldshark: it assumes no soul
Fael Illyar: [7:21] Crusty Goldshark: The question is when you sleep how do you know it is you that wakes and when you teleport how do you know a 'you' has been destroyed?
Susi Alcott: because it assumes the both; to stay as 'I', and to lost 'I', and both are not possible
Crusty Goldshark: In yogacara Buddhism the world is created in each moment - it is also I suspect destroyed
Corvuscorva Nightfire: not destroyed...not
Corvuscorva Nightfire: just not
Susi Alcott: or prefere, that 'you' are destroyed; then one can not know anything anymore because the 'I' has gone
Crusty Goldshark: there is only a present. When you are not conscious you cease to exist - existence is dependent on consciousness - but are entitiies of self entangled across dimensions?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: not created..is
Corvuscorva Nightfire: just is
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I mean..I don't know anything aobut buddhism..
Corvuscorva Nightfire: but...my sense of what that could mean is that there is no destroyed or created
Susi Alcott: you can still know about yourself
Corvuscorva Nightfire: jsut is and isn't.
Fael Illyar: forget about not knowing things, just speak of what you do know :)
Crusty Goldshark: Well in Hinduism Shiva dances and destroys and creates eternally . . .
Crusty Goldshark: Yin and Yang
Susi Alcott: Shiva does not destroy any god-spirts, cuz such life is eternall
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods....but eternal suggests time..
Corvuscorva Nightfire: not time..jsut is and isn't?
Susi Alcott: does it ?
Crusty Goldshark: Some would say time does not exist
Crusty Goldshark: It is a mental abberation
Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles..yeah..lots of people here, I gather.
Susi Alcott: in a way that is that eternall do not hold any time; it's timeless
Susi Alcott: but that is not what I ment
genesis Zhangsun: I might suggest that this idea of destruction/creation is about loosening up our idea that the world and ourselves are solid when it is really a fluid and ever changing thing. So the self in this view is also fluid and everychanging and therefore not really there at all in the way we typically understand the self
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Susi Alcott: I ment that eternall life which has been born, dont ever die
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think you're right, Gen..
Crusty Goldshark: sound about right gen
Corvuscorva Nightfire: that it's a step to understanding.
genesis Zhangsun: so of there is "no self" in the way we understand it what happens when we wake and what happens when we teleport doesn't really change anything because there was no self to start with
genesis Zhangsun: *if there
Corvuscorva Nightfire head bobbles.
Sky Szimmer: teleport? please explain this term in this context
Fael Illyar: Crusty is pondering about real life teleporting.
Susi Alcott: to travel throught dimensions or to travel in time
genesis Zhangsun: part of Crusty's question: and when you teleport how do you know a 'you' has been destroyed?
Crusty Goldshark: OK in two instances of being (teleport accident - are you double conscious - bi-location or single?
Sky Szimmer: oh, like moving or walking?
Susi Alcott: so; in case 'you' is destroyed; there is no mory any 'you' to be able to know anything
Susi Alcott: but in case such spirit shall teleport, which is 'god-spirit' as I call = eternall life
Corvuscorva Nightfire: in teleportation...of say little bits of energy/matter..real life...the theory is that an exact copy is made in a second location at a specific time, and the first copy is destroyed.
Susi Alcott: such kind of 'you' shall just know that he/she is not destroyed
Sky Szimmer: who is you and who is godspirit
Crusty Goldshark: In a sense we are in two places her - RL and SL - would something more intense occur with two 'real you's'
Crusty Goldshark: ?
Susi Alcott: so; he/she never even asks such; he/she 'just knows'
Corvuscorva Nightfire: no...crusty...the second you is just a copy...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: but it's exact.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: but...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: that's exactly how it is each moment.
Sky Szimmer: hmm. i don't understand this teleport concept that you seem to be referring to
Sky Szimmer: as far as i can tell, either i am here or there
Sky Szimmer: but i guess if i am daydreaming, i can be here and some tropical island
Susi Alcott: that is to leave your eathly body, and travel with your other body in time, dimension/s...
Susi Alcott: such kind of 'stuff'
Sky Szimmer: oh
Sky Szimmer: no personal personal
Sky Szimmer: oops experience
Crusty Goldshark: There seems very little evidence of consciousness independent of manifestation (body)
Adelene Dawner: (Corvi is afk)
Fael Illyar: Hi Moon :)
Adelene Dawner: Moooooon!
Crusty Goldshark: hi moon
Susi Alcott: Hi Moon
genesis Zhangsun: Hey Moon!
Susi Alcott: there is some space still on my lap I see
Moon Fargis: aahhh big susi cuddle tiday?
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Susi Alcott: seems a little bit like that :)))))
Crusty Goldshark: :)
Susi Alcott: or maybe 'I' am sheltered very strongly now
Moon Fargis: ehm
Moon Fargis pokes fael
Adelene Dawner chuckles.
Fael Illyar smiles.
Moon Fargis: i have to fly up anyway to make you visible.. to much ghosts here:)
Fael Illyar: it sat me a bit higher than I expected :)
Moon Fargis: ahh there you are
Moon Fargis: oiii corvis a crow!
Susi Alcott: hearing the joyfull bell again
Adelene Dawner: mmhmm :)
Susi Alcott: :))))
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Moon Fargis: *meow meow*
Fael Illyar humms cutely.
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Moon Fargis: sho whats thr topic
Moon Fargis: (the)
Moon Fargis: ^^ thx susi nice picture
Fael Illyar: Crusty was pondering about .... uh, I forget how it went already :)
Moon Fargis purrrrrrsssssssss
Crusty Goldshark: no wories - some other time - off now - CU all :)
Moon Fargis: Siyenarah!
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Moon Fargis: awws all cuddle sisi andnone cuddles the others
Susi Alcott: Crusty Goldshark: The question is when you sleep how do you know it is you that wakes and when you teleport how do you know a 'you' has been destroyed?
Sky Szimmer: Ciao all. Thanks for the chat.
Fael Illyar: See you later Sky :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Moon Fargis: bye sky cuddle next time then :)
Moon Fargis: haha
Sky Szimmer: haha
genesis Zhangsun: Bye!
Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
genesis Zhangsun: I am off too!
Moon Fargis: hmhmmm ok
Fael Illyar: See you later Gen :)
Susi Alcott: dont know how anybody can think that destroyed 'you' could exist to know anything at all
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
genesis Zhangsun: I think Crusty just like to get a conversation going :)
Susi Alcott: felt so too
genesis Zhangsun: Hows your move Adelene!
genesis Zhangsun: Congratulations by the way :)
Susi Alcott: got new soft furry head I see :)))))
Moon Fargis: ˙·•| mmh *nods* |•·˙
Fael Illyar smiles.
Susi Alcott: good to be able to change head sometimes :)
Moon Fargis pokes corvi
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Ade says it was good, Gen
Susi Alcott: wcb Corvi
Corvuscorva Nightfire pokes back..
Corvuscorva Nightfire: thanks.
genesis Zhangsun: thanks Corvi :) well when Adelene recover her ability to text I hope to hear more :)
Fael Illyar: wb Corvi :)
genesis Zhangsun: bye everyone!
Moon Fargis: byye ^^
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye, Gen.
Moon Fargis: soooo corvi how are you today
Fael Illyar: See you later Gen :)
Fael Illyar: Oh, Corvi got a new head too :)
Moon Fargis: ahh my sitting box interferences
Moon Fargis: wil get youuu :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs at Moon.